Step 5: Further Reading

<p>Thank you for such a prompt response, I am looking to create such a setup as we have discussed, I intend to simply stack these with the magnets mounted in slots, while I'm at it I will be using other metals and will report on / see what occurs, I may use other prime movers as opposed to simply wind power as you have mentioned in a previous posting, this is of course when I can obtain an affordable source of the Neodymium magnets specified, I'm looking at metric 50mm x 25mm x 10mm, these being respectively smaller by the following sizes of 2mm x 0.4mm x 2.5mm-ish smaller than your 2 &quot;x 1&quot;x 1/2&quot;. I do not expect this will create any issues.,I do like this scalable setup and again thank you for bringing it to our attention.</p>
<p>PLEASE ADVISE</p><p>I've read almost all the replys (there are so many) but I noticed that no one has considered using alternative materials to mount the magnets onto, are you aware of any issues regarding having them mounted onto steel plates and the potential losses that this may create, also what if they were mounted in slots so that the faces in say a stacked 3 (magnetic) plate system, (the middle plate being mounted in slots and having 2 sets of coil resin discs in between them thus making it a total of 5 layers) so that both sides of the center plate provide the magnetic field thus providing potentially a more efficient system? </p>
The steel plate does not incur losses, it's what completes the magnetic flux, and make this work. having a spinning magnet plate in between two coil plates would require a lot more machining, but it's possible. We went for what's possible in a back yard DIY approach.
<p>qual o tamanho dos discos( di&acirc;metro interno e externo)?? e qual di&acirc;metro interno das bobinas? grato!</p>
disk is 12&quot;, magnets are 2&quot; x 1&quot; x 1/2&quot;, and coils are just a bit bigger than the magnets, so that the complete magnet passes through the sides of the coil, not the ends.
<p>Are the magnet poles orientated in the opposite direction, relative to the center, on the opposing magnetic rotors? So it goes north to south through the stator coils? Awesome project, i'm making a much smaller one as a trial. I was also wondering, do you know if energy companies would let you use home made turbine on the grid? I want to make one for my house but it's on the grid, and the weather is variable at best in the UK.</p>
<p>I would also like to know which direction the magnets are oriented!!!</p>
As mentioned in the article, the poles are on the faces, and they alternate, N up, N down, N up, etc. and the facing rotor has the reverse.
they do alternate (oppose). Here in the US, grid tie is available, with conditions, but I'm not personally a &quot;fan&quot;.
<p>Very nice project, i know people are saying it expensive but for me its worth 1 years electricity after that you can save with this. </p>
<p>looks awesome but so expensive!</p>
Not nearly as expensive as a commercial unit.
<p>blimey the magnets in the uk are &pound;14 each x 24 =&pound;336 !</p>
<p>I have thousands of N52 magnets I'd like to find something constructive to do with.</p><p>They are 1/2&quot; x 1&quot; cylinders. They were about $7US dollars each when they were bought a few years ago. Prices have come down a bit since then, and these are used. Well, that depends on your definition of used. They've been sitting around inside at room temp. waiting to be used. I'm open to ideas for using them. I'll sell them outright, the more the merrier i.e. cheaper by the THOUSANDS! Or, show me you have a potentially viable plan, offer a piece of the action, and I might well stake you to it. </p>
<p>Is that 1/2 inch thick, and 1 inch dia, or 1 inch thick , and 1/2 inch dia? If they are 1/2 inch thick and 1 inch dia would like to know how much you could pass them off for, I could use some in a DIY project, and prototype, thanks in anticiaption</p>
<p>Oh, and the prices on the info I posted were the prices of new ones where they were bought, not what I'm selling them for.</p>
These were originally purchased from kjmagnetics.com/<br>This is the size details from this page that I pasted below. <br>For some reason, they don't appear to list N-52's in this size at the moment, but that was what was gotten a few years back, and it's easy enough to tell how much they will pull.<br>I can probably find some receipts and the boxes they were shipped in.<br><br>For that matter, send me a self addressed stamped package, and I'll give you a couple of samples. Put enough postage for a pair so you can get a idea of the attraction and repulsion of these things, incredibly strong.<br><br>RaviM40, being he who responded, I'd be glad to send you 4 magnets for free if you put enough postage on the package you send. <br><br>You guys seem to talk funny though.<br>Ya'll's not from 'round these parts I recun? <br><br>Almost sounds like you from the other side of that pond.<br>Any customs is on you. If I'm giving the samples away, I need a package that I can put them in, seal, and drop in the mail. <br>Send the empty self addressed stamped package/envelope/container to <br>Jay and Clare<br>PO box 5222<br>Vallejo, Calif. 94591 <br><br>let me know if and when you send for a sample, please.<br><br>I will pull your empty envelope (if that will work with canceling machines and such) or package out of that PO box, drop a couple, 4, or even 6 for RaviM40 to make it worth your trouble if you are that far away and customs and such whatever, seal it and drop it in the outgoing. <br>Try them and use them in good health! Don't smash your fingers between them!<br>If you can tell what they are &amp; want me to throw some more in the package, make me an offer. Or, after you test drive them, make me an offer. You will not find a better price.<br>In fact, I'll beat the best price you can find, or just make me an offer.<br><br>The weight &amp; any other info you need to calculate shipping should all be pasted below.<br><br>This offer goes for up to the first 10-20 people who might be interested. Send something I can drop a couple of them in, seal and drop it in the mail, and I will. <br>Let me know here if and when you do, please. i.e. make sure the offer is still ongoing, before you send me an empty stamped package. <br><br>This is the specs from the place they were purchased for the size, direction of magnetization, etc, but they were N-52's, not 48's as this listing is for.<br>I guess they are out of stock or something. <br><br>I've never tested them based on the pull strength, but it seems pretty straight forward, and should be able to tell their grade straight away.<br><br>https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D8X0&amp;cat=199<br><br>Products &raquo; Disc/Cylinder Magnets<br>D8X0<br><br><br><br>D8X0<br><br> Dimensions: 1/2&quot; dia. x 1&quot; thick<br> Tolerances: &plusmn;0.004&quot; x &plusmn;0.004&quot;<br> Material: NdFeB, Grade N42<br> Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)<br> Magnetization Direction: Axial (Poles on Flat Ends)<br> Weight: 0.851 oz. (24.1 g)<br> Pull Force, Case 1: 16.60 lbs<br> Pull Force, Case 2: 16.60 lbs<br> Surface Field: 6403 Gauss<br> Max Operating Temp: 176&ordm;F (80&ordm;C)<br> Brmax: 13,200 Gauss<br> BHmax: 42 MGOe<br><br>Strong and useful cylinder (aka rod) magnets. The D8X0 magnets are very strong, but are a great size that is easy to handle.<br><br>This size is also available diametrically magnetized as part number D8X0DIA.<br><br> Price: $5.83<br> <br>Quantity:<br> Add to cart<br> <br>Price ea. Qty<br>$5.83 1<br>$5.70 2-4<br>$5.57 5-9<br>$5.44 10-24<br>$5.31 25-49<br>$5.18 50-99<br>$5.05 100-249<br>$4.92 250-499<br>$4.79 500-999<br>$4.66 1000-2500<br>For pricing at higher order quantities,<br>please email us!<br>Recently Viewed
<p>found some on e-bay for &pound;3.49 each</p>
<p> if you took apart a hard drive you find various sizes in something somebody else throws away</p>
But not big enough for a machine this size.
Yes they are pricey. This unit costs over $1000 to build.
<p>What kind of cost can I expect for this project? My mother has been interested in getting some off-grid power setup at her house and I would love to go DIY with the project as money is a concern. </p>
<p>Hi, <a href="http://www.instructables.com/member/CyborgGold" rel="nofollow">CyborgGold</a></p><p>If money is a concern, have I got a deal for you! </p><p>If you can design your project to use these, I'll make you a better deal on however many you need than the best deal you can find anywhere else. Whatever happens, good luck on your project. And if you find someone else that wants some of these, I'll be glad to offer a sales commission.<br></p><p>I have thousands of N52 magnets I'd like to find something constructive to do with.</p><p>They<br> are 1/2&quot; x 1&quot; cylinders. They were about $7US dollars each when they <br>were bought a few years ago. Prices have come down a bit since then, and<br> these are used. Well, that depends on your definition of used. They've <br>been sitting around inside at room temp. waiting to be used. I'm open to<br> ideas for using them. I'll sell them outright, the more the merrier <br>i.e. cheaper by the THOUSANDS! Or, show me you have a potentially viable<br> plan, offer a piece of the action, and I might well stake you to it. </p>
Around $1500 or so depending on where you get your materials, and how much of the work you do yourself.
Por acaso se inserir nucleo de ferro nas bobinas perderia potencia?
inserting iron causes cogging. this is an air core machine.
You need to come to sunny old south wales in the uk nothing but high winds
No 600w but not bad for someone on a budget
600 watts at 30+ mph. You never see that in real life.
You can buy ready made turbines on wish for &pound;345 i was just looking at them
Not 1000 watt wind turbines.
<p>Hi, I have a question, let's say that I have a turbine that for 30 mph would output maximum 1kw. How does the generator come into the equation? Would it matter if use a 48 magnet generator instead of a 24?</p>
The number of coils, the number of windings, the number and size of the magnets, the size of the wire in the coils, the length of the blades, all determine the power output at a given wind speed.
<p>Thank you for the answer, this is exactly what's puzzling me. If I go online and check power calculators I have to enter the wind speed and the blade length then I can have the maximum power that can be extracted, e.g. for a 15 mph,a 3 ft blade turbine can extract 111W, that's all.</p><p>So for this wind speed and length blade there's no way you can get 200W, 1000W or 5000W no matter how many magnets, coils, windings you use.</p><p>Please correct me if I am wrong, I still live under the impression that the more magnets you add, the more power you get.</p>
<p>You are correct, 3ft blades at 15mph can only produce a maximum of 111w. You need longer blades. Ours are 8-10ft. http://www.green-trust.org/windpowercalc/eindex.html</p>
<p>ive been working on something similar and have yet to complete it..i use around 30 or so KW a day...and was looking to figure a way to make free energy with a magnate powered turbine or generator...do you think its plausable to make something like this to power what i use daily?</p>
Well, it's not &quot;free energy&quot; (a mythical device that makes power from nothing), but it's free in the sense that the energy input (fuel) doesn't cost anything. This unit can make anywhere from 0 to 24kWh per day depending on how much wind you have. just add more units to make more power, or make a bigger unit. If used in a hydro generator, it could easily produce 24kWh daily. Magnets don't make power, magnets converter rotary power to electrical power, at a loss.
<p>also was wondering if it would be possible to have the directions sent to my email?!</p>
<p>each magnet has a holding force against mild steel of 40-50kgs, with the two rotors mounted very close to each other I guess the structure has to be real rigid to deal with that force</p>
hence the steel plates and threaded rods.
my project is a 500watt waterwheel. how do you calculate the required magnet strength to produce this output?<br>This project has 24 40-50kg strong magnets. would half this power produce half the electrical output?
<p>Here is a 500 watt design. the magnets are much smaller disk versions - http://www.axflux.us/HBPBAXL412.htm</p>
<p>real quality, shame it's not a DIY design tho, perfect for my application, just have to see if I can justify the cost as this is an experiment I'm undertaking</p>
<p>One magnet N42 of 1&quot; x 2&quot; x .5&quot; size costs how much? approximately ?</p>
What is the size of the magnets

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