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ADVERTENCIA: luego de varios intentos, aún no he podido hacer funcionar el generador a gas, bajo carga. Me parece que lo mío es como lo de la fusión en frío. Una posible solución me fue sugerida por liquidhandwash, y consiste en adelantar el encendido.

Hace unos años, debido a que en mi ciudad hubo un corte de suministro eléctrico que duró tres días y me obligó a tirar a la basura los alimentos que teníamos en el freezer, me compré un generador eléctrico. De esos chinos, barato, pero funciona muy satisfactoriamente. Naftero, cuatro tiempos, 5.5 HP, 2.2 KW máx, 2 KW medio, salidas de 220 y 12 V, arranque manual a soga, fácil de usar. Consume aproximadamente 6 litros de nafta por hora de funcionamiento. Lo he utilizado dos o tres veces solamente, para mantener la heladera, el freezer, la TV, la notebook, el WIFI y alguna luz. También es útil para recargar los celulares, y me permite usar el abreportón automático.

Pero nada es perfecto en este mundo: cuando se corta la luz, las estaciones de servicio de la zona se quedan sin surtidores, o sea que no puedo comprar la nafta que usa el generador. La solución sería tenerla guardada en bidones, pero resulta que luego de tres meses de guardada la nafta empieza a degradarse, y no conviene usarla en esas condiciones. La solución a esto es ir reemplazándola cada tres meses, echando al auto la que estaba en los bidones, y comprando nueva. Un engorro, desde donde se lo mire.

Para tratar de dar un corte a todos estos problemas, se me ocurrió que sería conveniente hacer funcionar el generador con gas natural, y a continuación detallo el proceso y las dificultades que enfrenté durante la conversión, para ayudar a otros que intenten lo mismo.

ADVERTENCIA: este relato es MI EXPERIENCIA PERSONAL, no me haga responsable de su propia decisión, sobre todo si le sale mal. Con el gas no se puede jugar, salvo que usted sepa lo que hace. En caso de duda, contrate un profesional.

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WARNING: after several attempts, I could not run the generator under load, on gas. I think mine is as cold fusion.
A possible solution was suggested by liquidhandwash, and consists in advance the ignition.

A few years ago, because in my city there was a power outage that lasted three days and forced me to throw away food we had in the freezer, I bought an electric generator. Of the Chinese, cheap, but it works very satisfactorily. Gasoline engine, four-stroke, 5.5 HP, 2.2 KW max, 2 KW average, outputs of 220 and 12 V, manual rope start, easy to use. Consumes about 6 liters of gasoline per hour of operation. I've used it two or three times just to keep the refrigerator, freezer, TV, notebook, WIFI and some light. It is also useful to recharge cell phones, and allows me to use the automatic gate opener.

But nothing is perfect in this world: when the power goes out, the gas stations in the area run out of suppliers, meaning that I can not buy the gasoline used by the generator. The solution would be to have it stored in drums, but it turns out that after three months of stored gasoline starts to degrade, and you should not use it in these conditions. The solution to this is to go replacing every three months, fueling the car which was on the drums, and buying new gasoline. A nuisance, from where you look.

To try to cut all these problems, I thought it would be appropriate to run the generator with gas, and then detail the process and the difficulties faced during the conversion, to help others who seek the same.

WARNING: This story is my personal experience, I do not take responsibility for your own decision, especially if it goes wrong. With gas you can not play unless you know what you do. If in doubt, hire a professional.

Step 1: Instalar Una Toma De Gas (install a Gas Outlet)

... en un lugar apropiado de la casa, preferiblemente al aire libre o en lugar bien ventilado.

Esta tarea debería ser hecha por un gasista matriculado, y requiere cortar previamente el gas de la casa.

Yo la hice por mi cuenta, porque tengo alguna experiencia en el tema. Por suerte no me vi obligado a romper ninguna pared, porque en el patio hay un caño de gas que sale del piso y entra a la casa a unos 20 cm de altura. Compré una llave para gas, roscada en ambos extremos, hice un agujero y lo rosqué con la misma medida de la llave. Luego de instalada esta, verifiqué –con detergente diluido en agua– que no hubiera ninguna pérdida y reforcé la unión con masilla epoxi. En el extremo libre atornillé un pico para manguera de gas.

Una vez asegurado de que todo lo anterior funcionaba correctamente, hice una cubierta protectora para la llave de gas, a efectos de evitar que alguien la golpee, lo cual podría ocasionar un accidente grave. El gas natural, como todo combustible, requiere cuidados especiales.

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... in an appropriate site of the house, preferably outdoors or in a well ventilated area.

This task should be done by a gas fitter, and requires pre cut household gas.

I made it on my own, because I have some experience in the subject. Luckily I was not forced to break any wall because
in the backyard there is a gas pipe coming out of the ground and enters the house about 20 cm high. I bought a gas faucet threaded at both ends, made a hole in the tube and thread it with the same size of the faucet. Once installed this, checked with detergent diluted in water that there was no leak and I reinforced the union with epoxy putty. At the free end screwed a gas hose peak.

Once satisfied that everything worked properly I made a protective cover for the gas valve, in order to prevent someone hit it, which could cause a serious accident. Natural gas, like any fuel, requires special care.

Step 2: Eligiendo El Punto De Entrada Del Gas Al Motor (choosing the Gas Entry Point in Motor)

Por lo general esto se resuelve fácilmente, inyectando el gas directamente dentro del filtro de aire, antes o después del elemento filtrante. Como veremos más adelante, la cosa tiene sus bemoles.

En mi caso, el filtro de aire tiene una parte de chapa de hierro y otra parte de plástico. Opté por perforar la chapa metálica, entrando justo detrás del elemento filtrante, frente a la boca del carburador. Hice un agujero para el cañito de gas y dos más para la abrazadera que lo mantendría en su lugar.

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Usually this is easily solved by injecting the gas directly into the air filter, before or after the filter element. As we shall see, the thing is tricky.

In my case, the air filter is a part of sheet iron and some plastic. Opted for perforating the sheet metal coming just behind the filter element facing the mouth of the carburetor. I made a hole for the gas little tube and two more for the bracket that would keep it in place.

Step 3: Haciendo El Tubo De Entrada De Gas (making the Gas Intel Tube)

Esta fue una de las partes que más trabajo me dio, debido a que partí de la suposición errónea de que el consumo de gas del motor sería moderado. Comencé –iluso de mí– por utilizar un antiguo tubo de birome, con un diámetro interior de unos 2 mm, soldado en ángulo recto a un caño de cobre más robusto, de 8 mm exterior y 6 mm interior. Pasé el cañito fino por el agujero correspondiente mencionado en el paso anterior, y sujeté el caño de cobre mediante los otros dos.

Hecha la primera prueba, me di cuenta de que ese pequeño cañito no proporcionaba suficiente gas al motor, y lo reemplacé por un caño de cobre, 4 mm exterior y 3 mm interior.

Como dicho cañito tampoco llegaba a dar el caudal de gas necesario, terminé reemplazándolo por otro de 4.4 mm interior, y además lo curvé para arrimarlo más a la boca del carburador, y le corté la punta a 45 grados para favorecer el efecto de succión del motor.

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This was a part that gave me more work, because I left the mistaken assumption that the gas consumption of the engine is modest. I started naive of meto use an old pen tube with an inner diameter of about 2 mm, welded at right angle to a more robust copper pipe of 8 mm outer and 6 mm inner. I crossed the  little tube thru the corresponding hole mentioned in the previous step, and attached the copper pipe by the other two.

Made the first test, I realized that this little tube not provide enough gas to the engine, and replaced it with a copper pipe, 4 mm
outer and 3 mm inner.

As such tube also can not give the required gas flow, ended up replacing it with a 4.4 mm inside, and also
curve it for bring it nearer the carburetor throat, and I cut the tip to 45 degrees to help the sucking motor effect.

Step 4: Mientras Tanto... (meanwhile...)

Paralelamente con los cambios mencionados en el paso anterior, pensé que sería muy conveniente hacer un regulador manual fino del flujo de gas, a tornillo. Para eso construí una T de caño de cobre, a la cual en un extremo del travesaño soldé una tuerca y en el otro alojé una pieza de plástico moderadamente blando con un agujero de unos 2 mm, que podía obstruirse parcial o totalmente mediante una aguja que enroscaba en la tuerca mencionada antes. La aguja la hice de un trozo corto de varilla roscada, a la cual le eliminé la rosca en el extremo que tapaba el agujero. La eliminación de la rosca no hubiera sido necesaria, de no ser porque tuve que hacer una empaquetadura de silicona para evitar que parte del gas se escapara por el agujero de la tuerca.

Funcionó perfectamente como regulador manual, pero durante las pruebas caí en cuenta de que el flujo de gas era insuficiente.

Así que hice otro regulador ligeramente más grande, con un agujero de unos 3 mm y una aguja proporcionalmente más gruesa.

Cuando finalmente opté por pasar al caño de 4.4 mm (ver paso anterior), decidí eliminar este regulador fino, ya que el control del flujo de gas a esta altura ya se podía lograr perfectamente con una simple llave comercial.

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In parallel with the changes mentioned in the previous step, I thought it would be wise to do a manual fine gas flow regulator, screw drived. To make it I made a T of copper tube, to which soldered at one end of the crossbar a brass nut, and at the other end attached a piece of moderately soft plastic with a hole of about 2 mm, which could partially or totally obstructed screwing a needle into the above-mentioned nut. The needle I made from a short length of threaded rod, which I deleted the thread on the end that covered the hole. The removal of the thread would not have been necessary, if not because I had to make a silicone gasket to prevent escape of the gas through the hole in the nut.

It worked perfectly as flow controller, but during testing I realized that the gas flow was insufficient.

So I made another regulator slightly larger, with a hole of about 3 mm and a proportionally thicker needle.

When I finally opted for passing the pipe of 4.4 mm (see previous step), I decided to eliminate this
fine regulatory, since the gas flow control at this point could be achieved with a simple fully commercial tap.

Step 5: El Visualizador De Flujo (flow Display)

Me pareció que sería necesario poder visualizar el pasaje del gas, para apreciar la cantidad de flujo. Para eso nada más fácil que hacer burbujear el gas dentro de un líquido y luego recuperarlo, tratando de que el líquido no lo contamine. Usé una botella chica de PET, le hice dos agujeros a la tapa plástica y pasé dos caños de PVC blando. Uno, el de entrada, llega hasta el fondo, y el otro apenas pasa media pulgada la tapa. Como líquido para burbujear utilicé gasoil, que se evapora muy poco y confío en que no altere la calidad del gas natural. Por lo menos no se nota.

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I thought it would be necessary to visualize the passage of gas, to appreciate the amount of flow. That's nothing easier than making bubble the gas into a liquid and then recover it, trying to keep the liquid from contaminating the gas. I used a small PET soda bottle, I made two holes in the plastic cap and go over two soft PVC pipes. One, the inlet, reaches the bottom, and the other just passes the cap a half inch. As bubbling liquid I used diesel, that evaporates very little and I hope that does not alter the quality of natural gas. At least it is not noticeable.

Step 6: Las Pruebas (tests)

Con el gas cerrado y una pequeña cantidad de nafta en el tanque del generador, abro la llave del combustible, espero unos segundos a que se llene el carburador, pongo en ON el cebador y doy un tirón a la soga del arranque. Por lo general arranca en el primer intento. Espero un segundo o dos para quitar el cebador, y luego cinco o seis más para que el motor se regularice. Cuando esto ocurre cierro la llave de la nafta y espero alrededor de un minuto para que el motor empiece a dar señales de falta de combustible. Entonces abro la llave del gas y le voy dando cada vez más hasta que se estabiliza... o se para, que fue lo que más frecuentemente ocurrió.

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With the gas shut and a small amount of gasoline in the tank of the generator, open the fuel cock, waited a few seconds for it to fill the carburetor, put ON the primer and I yank the starter rope. Usually it starts on the first attempt. I wait a second or two to remove the primer, and then five or six more to the engine stabilizes itself. When this happens I close the fuel cock and wait about a minute for the engine begins to show signs of lack of fuel. Then I open the gas tap and I'll continue to open until it stabilizes ... or dies, that's what happened more often.

Step 7: La Electrollave (solenoid Valve)

Un tema vital es la seguridad, como mencioné en la introducción. Era indispensable prever la situación de que por cualquier circunstancia el motor se parara, y evitar que el gas siguiera saliendo, con el riesgo cierto de producir un serio accidente, por más que el motor irá totalmente a la intemperie.

Así que fui a una casa de repuestos para autos y compré una electroválvula, previo explicarle a la vendedora exactamente lo que yo necesitaba. Resultó que la electroválvula funcionaba exactamente al revés: normalmente abierta, y cortaba el flujo al conectarle 12 volts. Pude devolverla, aunque no me devolvieron el dinero sino una nota de crédito que deberé consumir en ese local.

Pensé que los lavarropas deben utilizar una electroválvula para el llenado, lo cual resultó ser correcto. Compré una de esas, que me costó la tercera parte de la otra. La intercalé en serie en la manguera de entrada de gas, y la alimenté con el mismo generador, 220 Volts. ¡Éxito! Al detenerse el motor, lo cual sucedió numerosas veces durante las pruebas, el gas se cortaba solo.

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Safety is a vital issue, as I mentioned in the introduction. It was essential to envisage the situation that for any reason the engine stops, and avoid that gas should continue coming out, the true risk of producing a serious accident, even though engine will go entirely to the weather.

So I went to a house of spare parts for cars and bought a solenoid valve,  after explain to the seller exactly what I needed. It turned out that the solenoid valve functioned exactly in opposite way: normally open, and cut the flow connecting to 12 volts. I could return it, although they not returned me the money but a credit memo that I must consume in that venue.

I thought that the washing machine must use a solenoid valve for filling, which turned out to be correct. I bought one of these, which cost me a third of the other. I composing it in series to the gas inlet hose, and electrified it with the same generator, 220 Volts. Success! Stopping the motor, which happened numerous times during tests, gas was cut automatically.

Step 8: Otra Llave De Gas (another Gas Faucet)

Durante las pruebas me di cuenta de que era muy incómodo usar la llave de gas que instalé en el paso 1. Eso me obligaba a levantarme, trasladarme, agacharme y luego volver a mi lugar junto al aparato sin perder tiempo. Así que decidí instalar una nueva llave, la cual puse a continuación de la electrollave.

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During tests I realized that it was very uncomfortable to use the gas tap which I installed in step 1. It required me to lift me, move me, bend me over and then back to my place next to the generator without losing time. So I decided to install a new tap, which I put next to the electro-valve.

Step 9: Metiendo Mano a La Electrollave (putting Hand to the Solenoid Valve)

Agotados los medios para agrandar la entrada de gas al motor, este seguía consumiendo más gas del que yo le podía suministrar. El único pasaje de gas que hasta el momento yo no había agrandado estaba dentro de la electrollave. Así que me vi obligado a desarmarla para ver si era posible aumentar el flujo, antes de intentar comprar otra más voluminosa y seguramente mucho más cara.

Lo primero fue extraer un pequeño filtro, del extremo donde normalmente entra el agua y que yo usé para entrada de gas. Además del filtro había una arandela de goma cuya función no me quedó clara, pero que en mi caso simplemente obstruía el pasaje.

Luego extraje la bobina eléctrica, lo cual se logra muy fácilmente cerrando con la pinza las pestañas de plástico que la sujetan en su lugar. Del otro extremo, la entrada de agua (gas) por suerte está asegurada a rosca, o sea que extraerla fue muy fácil. Dentro del tubo que va dentro de la bobina eléctrica, como era de esperar había un pequeño perno de hierro, sostenido por un resorte muy blandito, que apoyaba sobre la válvula plástica. Esta válvula va montada en el centro de una pieza de goma o silicona que cierra el flujo, y que también hace una ligera presión de cierre.

Reemplacé el pequeño perno por uno un poco más voluminoso, que por lo tanto entra más justo en el tubo, eliminé el resorte y le hice al perno una ranura para prescindir de la pieza de plástico y montar la pieza de goma o silicona directamente en el extremo del perno de hierro. De esta manera logré que la bobina eléctrica actúe más fuertemente sobre la válvula, permitiendo su apertura en mayor amplitud.

Reensamblé todo, volví a colocar la electroválvula al aparato, y... ¡BINGO! Funcionó todo según lo esperado. Tuve el motor andando a gas durante unos 10 minutos, sin que se detenga por falta de combustible. Tiempo más que suficiente para declarar la prueba como exitosa.

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Exhausted the means to enlarge the gas inlet to the engine, this was still consuming more gas than I could provide. The only passage of gas so far I had not enlarged was inside the electrovalve. So I was forced to take it apart to see if it was possible to increase the flow, before attempting to buy another more bulky and probably much more expensive.

The first thing was to extract a small filter on the end where normally enters the water and I used for gas inlet. Besides the filter had a rubber washer whose function was not clear to me, but in my case simply obstructed the passage.

Then I draw the electrical coil, which is achieved very easily closing
with the pliers the plastic tabs that hold it in place. Besides, the water/gas inlet luckily is fastened with thread, so that removing it was very easy. Inside the tube that goes into the electric coil, as you would expect had a small iron bolt, sustained by a very soft spring, which supported it over the plastic valve. This valve is mounted in the center of a rubber or silicone piece that shuts off the flow, and that also makes a slight pressure of closing.

I replaced the small bolt by one a little more bulky, therefore more fitting to the tube, removed the spring and made a groove to the bolt to dispense the plastic piece and assemble the rubber or silicone piece directly on the end of the iron bolt. In this way the electric coil acts most strongly on the valve, allowing its opening in greater breadth.

I reassembled everything, went to restore the solenoid valve to the generator, and... BINGO!  It worked everything as expected. I had the engine working on gas for about 10 minutes, and it did not stops from lack of fuel. More than enough time to declare successful the test.

Step 10: La Funda (sheath)

Dado que el generador va a quedar instalado a la intemperie, no es conveniente que esté expuesto al sol y a la lluvia. Así que compré un trozo de lona plástica y la doblé como funda, pegando los pliegues con cinta de pintor para llevarla a mi vecina costurera para coserla a máquina.

ADVERTENCIA: luego de varios intentos, aún no he podido hacer funcionar el generador a gas, bajo carga. Me parece que lo mío es como lo de la fusión en frío.

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Since the generator will be installed outdoors, it is not convenient that it is exposed to the sun and rain. So I bought a piece of plastic canvas and turned it as a sheath, pasting the folds with painter's tape to carry it to my neighbouring seamstress for machine sewing.


WARNING: after several attempts, I could not run the generator under load, on gas. I think mine is as cold fusion.

Step 11: Dudas (doubts)


ADVERTENCIA: luego de varios intentos, aún no he podido hacer funcionar el generador a gas, bajo carga. Me parece que lo mío es como lo de la fusión en frío.


Dado que en el hemisferio sur donde vivo estamos en pleno verano, la presión de gas natural es ahora cercana a la máxima esperable. Durante mis pruebas, alcancé a hacer funcionar el motor a esa presión. ¿Qué pasará en el invierno? Lo probable es que el suministro de gas no alcance a alimentar el motor lo suficiente para mantenerlo en funcionamiento.

¿Tendré que aplicar una bomba chupadora de gas a la entrada, para poder usar el generador? Eso sería problemático, sobre todo porque posiblemente afectará al vecindario, que verá disminuida la presión en sus casas. Realmente no tengo respuesta a esta duda. Tengo que evaluar los pro y los contra, y sobre todo hacer la prueba, porque tal vez no se presente ningún problema. Existe la posibilidad de que con solo utilizar una manguera más gruesa se solucione el problema.

Al fin y al cabo, siempre me queda la posibilidad de usar el generador con nafta en invierno, y con gas en verano. Peor es nada. ¿O no?

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WARNING: after several attempts, I could not run the generator under load, on gas. I think mine is as cold fusion.

Since in the southern hemisphere where I live we are in the middle of summer, the natural gas pressure is now close to the maximum expected. During my tests, I managed to run the engine at that pressure. What will happen in the winter? It is likely that the gas does not reach to feed the engine enough to keep it running.

Will I have to apply a sucker pump to inlet gas, to use the generator? That would be problematic, especially because it may affect the neighborhood, which will see decrease the gas pressure at home. Actually I have no answer to this question. I have to evaluate the pros and cons, and especially to test, because maybe it not presents any problems. There is a possibility that just using a thicker hose the problem
will solve.

Finally, after all, always remains for me the chance to use the generator with gasoline in winter and gas in summer. Better than nothing. Or not?
Congratulations, you were able to happily fix the problem and run the generator.
No, Polish friend, I could not fix the problem. I warn it at introduction an at end. After more than a month of changes and tests I got tired and gave lost the attempt.
I'm happy to learn that you have finally found success! I knew you would if you kept at it. <br> <br>Estoy feliz de saber que por fin has encontrado el &eacute;xito. Yo sab&iacute;a que lo har&iacute;a si segu&iacute;a intentando
No, heathbar64, lamento no haber sido lo suficientemente claro. Acabo de repetir al final la advertencia que puse en la introducci&oacute;n, avisando que NO PUDE LOGRARLO. <br>------------------------ <br>No, heathbar64, regret not being clear enough. I repeat at the end the warning I put in the introduction, warning that I COULD NOT DO IT.
we are using &quot;Natural Gas Kit&quot; For These gasoline generators and it works fine. <br>check it out (http://karachi.olx.com.pk/honda-generator-gaskit-for-sale-new-iid-331800258)
Thanks, akhan74. I think these kits don't exist in Argentina, where I live. <br> <br>Anyway, I wanted to do it as a personal experiment.
Hola! <br>muy buena idea de hacerlo funcionar a gas el equipo generador. <br>Hace poco en mi trabajo tuve el problema de que se cort&oacute; la luz y no hab&iacute;a nafta de reserva para el generador, y por supuesto las estaciones no vend&iacute;an. <br>Pero hay un inconveniente. <br>Si el corte es masivo y de larga duraci&oacute;n, las bombas que le dan presi&oacute;n al gas que llega hasta tu casa que son el&eacute;ctricas dejar&aacute;n de funcionar. <br> <br>&iquest;Pensaste en proveerle el gas desde una garrafa de gas licuado? <br>Con un peque&ntilde;o regulador podr&iacute;as bajar la presi&oacute;n, y si mal no recuerdo, cuando baja a determinada presi&oacute;n corta el flujo de gas. <br>Si bien el gas licuado es mas caro que el gas natural, deber&iacute;a solucionar perfectamente el inconveniente de la variaci&oacute;n de presi&oacute;n. <br>Lo otro que se me ocurre es que solicites en la empresa proveedora de gas, que te ponga un medidor/regulador mas grande y que modifiques la instalaci&oacute;n para un caudal mayor. El inconveniente de esto es que a veces demoran mucho y lleva un gran tramiterio. <br> <br>Bueno, desde ya te agradezco por la idea, que estudiare para sugerirla en mi trabajo y por las otras que publicaste que son mas que interesantes! <br>Saludos desde Mar del Plata <br>Sergio
Hola Sergio, gracias por tu comentario. Ayer estuve considerando la posibilidad de usar una garrafa de propano o butano, pero son un poco caras y antes tengo que lograr que funcione bajo carga. Tengo que aprovechar a hacerlo en el verano, que la presi&oacute;n del gas natural es alta. Supongo que pasar de uno a otro debe ser tan sencillo como cambiar el agujero por el que pasa el gas, como pasa con los dem&aacute;s artecfactos. Lo de pedir el cambio de medidor de gas no lo veo muy factible, me van a querer cobrar tarifa industrial por el solo hecho de tener el medidor instalado. Pero es una alternativa a considerar, no la hab&iacute;a pensado.
Hola! <br> <br>sigo pensando en esta idea <br>&iquest; seria muy arriesgado saltear el regulador del medidor y colocarle un regulador de equipos de GNC? digo, solo para probar <br> <br>El regulador del medidor te mantiene la presi&oacute;n constante, y cuando aumenta la carga del generador no varia el caudal del gas. <br>En cambio, un regulador de GNC vehicular si lo hace, &iquest;ser&aacute; muy loco hacer esta modificaci&oacute;n de la instalaci&oacute;n de gas, solo para probar? <br>
Probablemente tengas raz&oacute;n, Sergio, pero no tengo a mano ning&uacute;n aparato de esos, que son car&iacute;simos.
Bravo, once again an excellent piece of work. <br> <br>Have you considered building a methane digester to use you own household waste to supplement the gas supply? <br> <br>On a side note about the storage of fuel, my father serviced and repaired small engines throughout his working years and always said that more problems where caused by storing fuel in unsuitable plastic fuel drums than by fuel that had gone dead from being stored to long, he always got cranky and cussed allot when he had to dismantle and clean out carburetors on lawnmowers and chainsaws that had become gummed up by plastic residue that gets dissolved into the fuel stored in drum not designed to be used with gasoline.
Thanks for your comment, Dr Qui. <br> <br>I have not considered to make a methane digestor, my backyard is too little for that. Besides, we are olny two persons, then our waste is very little. <br> <br>Another person said the same about plastic containers, it seems they are not the best choice to keep gasoline. But they are so cheap...
Yes the plastic containers are cheap, but cheap and nasty. My father cursed the day that oil companies stopped making 1 gallon oils cans in metal and replaced them with plastic ones that are OK for engine oil but are slightly soluble when used with gasoline, that's when he started to get so many gummed up carburetors.
You can still get them. They're commonly used for aviation turbine oil, and if you look for aviation maintenance companies (or ask around the companies at your municiple/local airport they're almost certainly just tossing them out, and you can use normal can openers to remove the lids.
In the UK we used to have square metal half gallon and one gallon cans with screw caps which where perfect petrol cans once empty, these old tin cans are now very collectible. in the mid 80's they where replaced by cheap blow molded plastic containers that are not good for storing petrol in. The US style cans that you pierce the hole in that you mention never seemed to catch on over here and I don't think I have ever seen any of that type for sale of in my dads garage.
Thanks, carpespasm. Here in Argentina there are a few metallic containers for gasoline in <a href="http://www.mercadolibre.com.ar/" rel="nofollow">Mercado Libre</a>, but they are expensive. An old used costs around 25 dollars, and this is too much to pay for it.
Some days ago I put a little of gasoline in a expanded polystyrene container. After a few seconds, it melted and the gasoline spilled. I think polyethilene is a bit similar, it does not melt but surely some components dissolves. <br> <br>My tests of the generator under charge were FAILED. Olny very little charges were supported, like manual grinder or dril, but when I applied force ti the grinder, the motor died. I am thinking to delete this instructable, I am ashamed by my hastiness to publich it before the correct test.
You do not have to worry that you've published the idea. The important thing is to discuss on this to improve it. I think that is enough test the materials used by you. In the final you should already be applied materials resistant to natural gas and gasoline. As for the valve from the washing machine it has a small capacity for gas flow therefore is poor performance. Appropriate should also be wire. An internal combustion engine to sweep the same efficiency needs two times more gas than petrol. Propane-butane gas, natural gas is less, efficient energy.
Thanks naplatki, you encourages me. I will follow the advice of liquidhandwash, to advance the ignition. It will be another task, but it seems indispensable.
I found this Web page may be useful to You. Description refers to propane-butane, but may allow the solution of your problem. http://www.ircongas.com/index.html?msgOrigen=6&amp;CODART=ART00049
Thanks, naplatki, I will analize it.
No don't unpublish the instructable, you have show how to convert the generator to operate on gas, and you even said that the natural gas supply pressure is sometimes not the best at times but you still have managed to get the generator running on gas and this is a major achievement. <br> <br>If anything just add an update that points out your problem with natural gas. <br> <br>Many people look at this with the idea of using bottled gas which would have the pressure needed to run the generator under load and because of this your instructable is perfect. <br> <br>The post i did about seasoning wood turning blanks failed in the long run, but when I knew what had gone wrong i made an update to the post. I have updated several of my posts when a problem I had not though of crops up. <br> <br>Its far to good of a post to remove just because low gas pressure is your problem. I'm sure that with some tinkering you will improve performance. <br> <br>Keep up the good work. <br> <br>
Thanks Dr Qui, you encourages me. I will follow the advice of liquidhandwash, to advance the ignition. It will be another task, but it seems indispensable.
Most interesting thank you for posting.
Thanks, nzqwack.
Great Work Rimar! Once again I am in awe of your inventiveness. You do not mention if you ran the generator under the load of the refrigerator or not. Have you tried the natural gas fuel with the generator under load?
You are right, rncbme. I did not tried it. Although the motor runs stable, I have a little fear to do the test. This days in my city are very hot, 38-40&deg;C (100-104&deg;F) and radio and TV they advice don't make outdoors efforts. Then I exploit it to do &quot;dolce far niente&quot; or web surfing. When the evening falls, maybe I rise to the roof to repair some tiles, but if and only if the temperature downs too.
I may be wrong Rimir, but I am wondering if your carburetor will receive enough vapor to keep up with the demand the generator will require to operate under a full load. There is a large difference of energy required to run an engine full throttle with a load as when a load is not present. <br>Roger
Yes, it is as you say. Tomorrow I will do the test with normal load, or freezer, refrigerator, notebook, TV, WiFi and one or two lights.
Rncbme, you was rigth! the engine died when I applied a charge. I will follow the advice of liquidhandwash, to advance the ignition. It will be another task, but it seems indispensable.
I have the same fear, rncbme. Today I want to test it with normal load, ie freezer, refrigerator, laptop, TV, WiFi and one or two lights. The problem is that the weather is very hot, and surely my wife will not want to be without air conditioning during the time duration of the test.
We must keep our wives happy If we want to be happy (:^&gt;. Maybe she will decide to go to the market !! Good Luck. Roger
Super idea. I also have a generator as a source of energy. I will not have to have a large reserve of gasoline.
Thanks for your comment, naplatki. <br> <br>But wait until I can do the test under charge. Maybe the engine dies when I put a load. <br> <br>Today was a very hot day, and besides I had to do a little travel. Maybe tomorrow I will have time to do the test.
I tip my hat for you! Great Instructable! Thank you very much for sharing this information.
Thanks, blkhawk! Tomorrow I will do the test with normal load, or freezer, refrigerator, notebook, TV, WiFi and one or two lights.
Muy interesante el instructable Osvaldo. Me sorprendio mucho el gran consumo que tiene el motor. Lo pudiste probar con diferentes regimenes de trabajo? Yo siempre quise hacer algo parecido, pero me preocupo el hecho de que el motor consuma diferente cantidad de gas a diferente regimen de trabajo y que la mezcla pueda quedar demasiado pobre o demasiado rica en algun momento. <br> <br>Ah, si queres pegar vos mismo la lona, podes usar adhesivo para pvc, la pega perfecto a la lona, yo he emparchado piletas con ese sistema y aguanta perfectamente. Tenes que aplicar el pegamento en ambas caras y dejarlo secar un poco ya que funciona disolviendo parcialmente la lona. <br> <br>Saludos.
Gracias por tu comentario, Drix. Leete lo que le contest&eacute; a rncbme, por favor. <br> <br>El generador tiene una sola velocidad (en realidad dos: lento y parado ;), pero consume m&aacute;s o menos seg&uacute;n la carga. Cuando arrancan el freezer o la heladera pega una aceleradita que dura una fracci&oacute;n de segundo. Tal vez me decida a probarlo bajo carga en cuanto baje un poco la temperatura ambiente. Tengo un poco de temor a que bajo carga no d&eacute; abasto. Realmente me sorprendi&oacute; much&iacute;simo la cantidad de gas que traga el motor, pero pens&aacute;ndolo bien es bastante l&oacute;gico, no es lo mismo mantener una llamita en la cocina que todas esas explosiones sucesivas. Lo consult&eacute; en un taller de GNC y me confirmaron que es as&iacute;. <br> <br>Gracias por la idea del adhesivo para PVC. Justamente la costurera abre dentro de un rato y yo pensaba llevarle a que me cosa la funda, pero ella se suele tomar una semana para hacer esas cosas. No es que yo tenga apuro pero me gusta sacarme de encima estos trabajos, ya hace casi dos semanas que estoy con el generador y quiero dedicarme a otra cosa. <br> <br>------------------------------------- <br> <br>Thanks for your comment, Drix. Read what I said to rncbme, please. <br> <br>The generator has a single speed (actually two: slow and stopped;), but consumes more or less depending on the load. When starting the freezer or the refrigerator it makes a quicken lasting a fraction of a second. Maybe I decide to try it under load as soon as the ambient temperature drops a little. I have some fear that under load it will not work well. Actually I was very surprised the amount of gas that swallows the engine, but on second thought it is quite logical, is not the same to keep a small flame in the kitchen than all these successive explosions. I consulted a CNG shop and they confirmed that it is so. <br> <br>Thanks for the idea of PVC adhesive. The seamstress just open in a bit and I think to bring her the cover to sew, but she usually takes a week to do those things. Not that I have a hurry but I like to get me off these jobs, and nearly two weeks ago with the generator and I want to do something else.
Claro, pero a medida que va teniendo mas carga, el carburador va abriendo m&aacute;s la mariposa para matener la velocidad constante (ya que sino variar&iacute;a la frecuencia de la tensi&oacute;n). Mi preocupaci&oacute;n es que al exigir el motor, entre mas aire pero no m&aacute;s combustible, empobreciendo la mezcla y sobrecalentando el motor. Pod&eacute;s hacer la prueba moviendo manualmente la mariposa del carburador, normalmente est&aacute;n accesibles (cuidado de no mover la regulaci&oacute;n). Los motores que usan gnc, tienen un regulador, que va enviando m&aacute;s o menos gas seg&uacute;n el vac&iacute;o que haya en el carburador.<br> <br> <br> ---------------------------------------<br> <br> <br> Right, but as the generator loads gets higher, the carburetor opens more to keep the rpm constant (otherwise the cycle would vary). My concern is that if you put load on the generator, it would allow more air to get into the cylinder, but not more fuel, making the air-fuel mix poor, thus overheating the engine. You can test it by manually moving the carburetor lever, they're normally at sight (whatch out not to change the factory regulation). Engines that run out of propane, have a regulator, that sends more or less gas as the vacuum on the carburetor changes.
S&iacute;, es como vos dec&iacute;s. Ma&ntilde;ana voy a hacer la prueba con carga normal, o sea freezer, heladera, notebook, TV, WiFi y una o dos luces. <br> <br>----------------------------------------------------------- <br> <br>Yes, it is as you say. Tomorrow I will do the test with normal load, or freezer, refrigerator, notebook, TV, WiFi and one or two lights.
Nice work. I wondered why you had made a &quot;T&quot; connector for natural gas. Now I know. Your project and the reason for it reminds me of the charcoal barbeque grill we bought many years ago. We lived in a small city where the electrical power often stopped if there was a storm. Our kitchen stove was electric, not natural gas. I developed a rule for myself. If the power was off at 3 PM, I started the charcoal grill so we had time to cook our evening meal on the grill. A few years later they had made improvements and the electric power was more reliable.
Phil, I dit 4 copper tube T, but none of them are today in use... My try and error method produces a lot of surplus pieces, it is so always. <br> <br>Here light cuts are not so frequent, but when there are strong storms that shoot down medium voltage transformer, the repair may take three or more days. <br> <br>I think that the purchase of the generator was more the result of a whim mine that a careful analysis (which my wife not knowing!). Anyway, it is funny to work on it.
It is always great to have a back up! Nice presentation! <br>sunshiine
Thanks, Sylvia.
It is always great to have a back up! Nice presentation! <br>sunshiine
Thanks, Sylvia.

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