Step 4: Setting up the cell

Once you have placed the screws in and mixed in the salt you'll want to get to the main event. Pour the water into the container and place the cap on. Then place the battery, or batteries if your ambitious on the two electrodes. This will create a stream of bubbles that emanate from the probe connected to the negative end of the battery.
<p>I'm not sure if this entirely applies to this electrolytic cell, but I am recovering a steel plate with electrolysis for an EEI, and I need to know if using baking soda and water as the electrolyte will produce harmful gases or anything of the sort. I have to choose between NaOH or the baking soda and water. I need the half reaction to support my decision (I suck at doing half reactions and I don't always understand how to do them). If someone could help, it would be much appreciated</p>
<p>Here's a video explaining how electrolysis work, I really recommend it!</p><p>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFtlXd0AxA</p>
how do you stop the electrodes and water from getting guey! I' tried more soda, less soda, distilled water, well water, bottled water it always seems to fry the electrodes and it still gets all guey
Simple: use <strong>stainless steel plates, and KHO flakes</strong> as your electrolyte. Salt produces chlorene gas, bakeing soda produces carbon monoxide! <br/>
If you put baking soda in it, it will only make carbon dioxide not carbon monoxide because carbon monoxide is made when carbon dioxide is heated or if theirs not enough oxygen to combine with the carbon atom.
I tried steel rods in baking soda and they rusted; I can't find a good material to make into electrodes. Also, what are KHO flakes?
KHO: Potassium Hydroxide. BTW, Steel will rust, STAINLESS steal should resist corrosion much better.
But its also quite expensive. If this is just for blowing stuff up pointlessly then salt/baking soda and carbon or galvanised electrodes work fine.
Where can I find some good carbon electrodes that won't corrode?
find d batteries that say super heavy duty, or open a lantern battery that says it is a magnesium carbon battery or a zinc carbon battery.
Forgive me for being cautious, but I prefer to know what I'm dealing with. I got ahold of 4 Panasonic Super Heavy Duty C cells. I tore the jacket off of one of them, and there's a metal canister inside. Now I'm going to be cynical and assume that the can is filled with some sort of chemical with an unknown level of toxitity. Can I just take a hacksaw to said canister, or will it explode, combust, and/or leak poisons all over my hands? (And once disassembled, what's a use for the contents?)
If you were to cut the battery it would not explode, the acid would leak out and burn a hole in the ground. The only way it would explode was if you cut it open, and then placed it in water. If you did this everyone within a 10 foot radius would be dead. This I have tried this and I have a hole in my dogs house now.
Wait until after this weekend or next, i will have an instructable up with all the precautions necessary for this, plus a better electrolysis method, trust me. just dont open it yet. coincidentally, i have the same batteries to take apart.
I have to laugh. So many ironic things have happened today. I took apart the batteries this afternoon. I you have a better idea for an electrolysis unit, though, I may just wait around to see it before I build the model I have in mind.
just wait a week or less, itll be up, maybe by tomorrow or monday
the best materials are carbon rods. they cant short out the ciruit and they wont oxidise.
Sodium bicarbonate + H2O = Carbon Dioxide I think (which is harmless) and sodium hydroxide. Is that correct?<br/>
Baking soda works perfectly fine, I would know, the carbonate poly atomic anion won't break up, but if you're really picky, use sulfuric acid. Your electrolyte must be made of a group 1 or 2a group metal cation (check periodic table) and A poly atomic anion, such as SO4 or CO3. If it's a halogen, you'll get the halogen gas instead of oxygen, and a hydroxide in your water. Halogens can kill you. Use graphite for you positive electrode and copper wire for your negative.
Do I cut completely through to the other side
is vinegar a good electrolyte to use? does it produce any dangerous gases?
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I have a charger from my old laptop that outputs DC, but I don't know what would be negative and what'd be positive.
One output wire will have a white stripe or dashes on it, that is your positive. You seriously need a DVOM, they are really cheap, and necessary for any electrical experiments.
Actually, a white striped wire usually indicates a negative, and dashed indicates positive. It took me a long time to figure that out when I couldn't figure out why all my projects wouldn't work.
Not in the automotive electronics world, dashes do not exist on wires. A DVOM is the only way to be sure what you are working with.
a simple solution (get it) is to set up the apparatus and check which one bubbles ~20 times more. This is the hydrogen
fyi, there is 2 times as much hydrogen as there is oxygen. not 20.
Urrrghh, I meant by volume! Hydrogen is roughly 10 times less dense than oxygen, so if there is twice as much hydrogen you get 20 times in volume. I have done this test many times the hydrogen filled up a test tube and the oxygen was barely 1cm full
To correct you on your math: if you were going by densities, then there would be two Hydrogen atoms and One Oxygen atom (if you were to split a single water molocule). The two Hydrogen atoms would equal one <em>fifth</em> of the Oxygen atom.<br/>
Lol, smartypants... still the basic rule applies, whichever bubbles more is the Hydrogen
aww... my friends said that its just boiling water... not hydrogen gas &gt;o&lt;
Your friend doesn't know what they're talking about. It's hydrogen.
Yeah... I mean no... I mean... Aww crap Your making me think XD
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Equal amounts (by the mole) of gas at the same conditions have equal volume. You will get 2 volumes of H2 and one volume of O2. Look up the ideal gas law.
<pre>Everything now explodes,including brains</pre>
yep , 22,4 liters of gas / mole
Moles are furry and cute.
No they are curry and fute
MMmmm. Mole curry.
<pre>brain explodes.</pre>
<pre>Much better</pre>
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The mass and size of individual gas molecules has no relation to the volume they occupy when flying around as a gas. Gasses are mostly empty space.&nbsp; It's fascinating! check out the ideal gas law.<br /> <br /> (Actually, all matter turns out to be mostly empty space if you could look closely- check out this link to Rutherford's experiment which measured the nucleus of gold atoms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger%E2%80%93Marsden_experiment)<br />
You're right when it comes to volumetric analysis but I think there is a bit more to a gas than&nbsp;Avagadro's law&nbsp;or an &quot;ideal&quot; gas.&nbsp; In reality all gasses have intermolecular forces which allow them to liquify and solidify, if there where no forces between these particles why would they condense?<br /> This is where the definition of an &quot;Ideal&quot; gas comes in which is most closely related to Helium (If I remember correctly) because the only intermolecular forces are dispersion forces relating to the instantaneous positioning of electons in an electron cloud.<br /> <br /> In gasses such as H2 and O2 (because of there lack of dipole moment) dispersion forces are also present but to a larger degree because of the larger size of the electron cloud and the number of electrons (shown by a higher melting point)<br /> <br /> The other intermolecular forces of gasses include dipole-dipole and hydrogen bonding (I think).&nbsp; Anyway both hydrogen and oxygen have low melting points proving the forces between them are negligable when looking at gasses at around 300 kelvins.
It is terrific that you are speaking from your actual experimental results. Right on! The molecular weights shouldn't matter- the volumes should be 2 parts Hydrogen to 1 part oxygen. That's why I love electrolysis- it is so intuitively clear (except when it doesn't work as expected). I think your large volumes of missing oxygen must have attached themselves to atoms from one of the electrodes.<br />

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