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Expandable Hydroponics System from Junk - Flood and Drain

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I have been messing around with hydroponics on NO budget and HATE throwing otherwise useful things in the garbage, so being both cheap and EXTREMELY LAZY (I call it efficient), I decided to break a nail and this is what I came up with.

I've learned first hand and read that the most unreliable, but seemingly necessary piece of equipment in most systems is the water pump. If you want something reliable, you are going to have to spend money and be prepared to maintain the pump and nutrient delivery system. Too much work for a potentially catastrophic failure if you ask me.

I found inspiration in an instructable that I can't seem to find any more. I'm sure it was called "The World's Simplest Flood and Drain System". I would like to apologize to anyone else that I do not mention or refer to due to my incompetence, but if you see any similarities please do provide links in the comments as I do not claim to have many original thoughts.

The air pump has become a staple component in most systems for various reasons. Moving water with air makes complete sense to me while solving several issues and being cheap, reliable and easily serviceable. Pump maintenance is algae free and time will tell just how reliable.

Next, the system had to be sort of "free",so this meant parts that are common, cheap or reclaimed. Enter my friends, the pop bottle the milk bag and their goofy sidekick Aluminized Bopet (chip bag to most).

Step 1: What You'll Need

1 ea aquarium pump
1/4 inch air tubing as required
3 ea 2L pop bottles or more as desired
1 ea pop bottle cap(reservoir cap)
2 ea Sunlight dish detergent bottle caps or pop bottle caps(planter drain)
3/8 inch inner dia. vinyl tubing as required (approx 2 ft)
1 ea 3/8 inch nylon plumbing TEE adaptor
1 x 3 length of wood or equivalent planter support
Growing medium (I use pea gravel)
Milk Bag optional
Chip bags as required
1 ea elastic (aka rubber) band

Drill
7/32, 3/8, and 1 1/4 inch drill bits (that's 1 and 1/4 inch)
Hot melt glue gun.......maybe
 
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hithisishal2 years ago
What a cool idea! Have you (or anyone else) been doing this for long? What type of aquarium pump do you use? How long has it lasted? I'm worried about the pump diaphragm rupturing. How high can you lift water with this? Thanks!
wiley coyote (author)  hithisishal2 years ago
I've had a system, very similar to this one, operating for about four years now, with the same plants you'll see in these instructables. The plants are doing very well (bamboo and Devil's vine) even with major stressing/negligence on my part.

It uses a Hagen 802 double pump, without any failures.

I'm not sure how high it can pump, but the video kinda says it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNhpBJmXb9U&list=UUshoxd36btC2QldzMTI3Nrg&index=7&feature=plpp_video

You're welcome.
Can you spare some details about your timer setup? I've found some round one on/one off timers, and am not sure what to look for for a setup that goes on and off three or more times daily. Thanks!
awakebyjava6 years ago
I think this system HAS to be a little loose. Just set one up, and the water I used to test it just plain will not drain back into the reservoir! This picture shows anti-siphon valves, because I had them laying around, but even without them the water will not drain! Any ideas on how to make sure the air pressure can be released when the pump is not on? I haven't check for valves that perform this function, but if anyone has ideas let me know! Great work wiley!
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As mentioned previously, there is a good chance that your air pump has an anti-siphon built in it (this is because people will still put their pump below the water level - even though the instructions say to never do this without a check valve - so that if the power goes out as siphon wont be created). A lot more of the higher quality ones are doing this now.
Dont know if this problem has been solved yet, but sometimes aquarium air pumps have built in anti-siphons. You can tell by blowing into the hose while it is connected to the pump, If you cant, then it probably does. alternative-innovation.com
wiley coyote (author)  NaTeB15 years ago
Please see Air Control Cap. The adjustable "screw valve" can be implemented where convenient.
What works is if you take the hose off the air pump when you want it to drain. That is what I do.
I don't know how technical you want to be, but a low or middle voltage solenoid valve would allow for this. If the system were tight, an added valve tied into the time would work. Tie it in so it stays energised while the pump is on and it will open and drain when it goes off. A time delay would allow it to keep the fluid to stay up longer if you wanted it to. If you need an electricial drawing, send me an email and I will make one up for you.
Yah, I think that is more work than I am up to. But I did find out there is a hydroponic store in my town, so I might check that out. Good suggestion!
wiley coyote (author)  awakebyjava6 years ago
Thanks. Excellent setup. I am humbled. It would slow down the fill rate and limit the height that it could push, but I tried adding a 2 way control valve to create a controlled leak to speed the drain cycle. It worked, but I found it unnecessary as my air pump allows back flow. You could try another pump, but I would introduce an air leak somewhere above the waterline, hopefully a controlled one first. I would leave the anti-siphon valves out altogether because it can't siphon back, especially in your setup, and they would add slight resistance which may be unwanted.
I'm going to try this with my daughter's 4th grade science class, and as we'll be building it in the classroom, I'm not going to have much room for tinkering with it. Nobody has volunteered a pump yet, so if mine doesn't allow air backflow, how large a hole do you think I'd need in the reservoir or air hose? I'm hoping I'll have some spare bottles, but won't have much spare hose handy if I screw it up. Thanks!
gomiboy gomiboy6 years ago
Sorry to add more - I'm planning on building with a single reservoir, pretty much straight from the 'ible, so I won't be needing to sync anything. Thanks again for any and all advice.
wiley coyote (author)  gomiboy6 years ago
You may want to consider something like this for a single reservoir system. I know it's not pretty, but it's a work in progress.
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wiley coyote (author)  gomiboy6 years ago
Mine is a Hagen Elite802. If you can't find that, make sure that it does not have anti-siphon built in and you should be fine. Try to do all tinkering on the bottles or caps themselves as they are easily replaceable. The tiniest of holes near the top of the bottle should work. The hose is a valuable resource, so try not to mess with it. It really is so easy to build, I would recommend throwing one together, or at least a partial system, in advance and tinkering with it, so your not going in totally blind.
Just an update. I tried putting a very small hole in the cap, the smallest drill bit I could find, to no effect. It seems that even that small of a whole lets out too much pressure. I enlarged the hole and put in a screw, which I can adjust in order to change the amount of pressure in the bottles. Not quite perfect, but as my pump doesn't let air back out, it works for now. Still working on what to plant in these, as no stores have seeds anymore.
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wiley coyote (author)  awakebyjava6 years ago
Excellent. Whatever works. I've run into similar problems with my pump where the water column was lower and it drains really slow. I've used cheap, 99 cent, plastic 3-way control valves with the variable tap open quite successfully. Here's a pic. I also included a plastic gang valve($4.95) that would work as well. Both left over from old aquariums, but available at any aquarium supply store.
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Thanks! Great artists steal. I just cut a little notch on the side of the airline hose hole in the cap. Works fine, but its hard getting the two reservoirs to sync, and I ran out of caps. I'm a high school teacher though, I can get plenty of those. My pump doesn't allow air back through, so the siphon valves aren't hurting anything really. At least I know where they are if i need them. Now I just need to figure out how to start plants going in there!
wiley coyote (author)  awakebyjava6 years ago
I was thinking, you could experiment with hole sizes near the top of the 2L reservoir bottles to sync them. The rigidity will give you better control over flow rates and they're easiest to replace if you screw up as well. By varying the hole size in each reservoir, you could approach equilibrium. or for the less patient You could use control valves. If you had a gang of three you could use two to sync the reservoirs and a third as a controlled rate leak or vent. I just filled the bag with pea gravel and old aquarium gravel, threw some mung beans just under the surface and they grew. The cats made short work of them though, once they found them. I didn't think it would be that easy, but that's probably because they were mung beans.
you could also simply add another water pump to pull all the water out instead of pushing it in this way you could extend the length of time the roots are exposed to the water / nutrient solution this would also have to be on a separate corresponding timer
beehard445 years ago
i was wondering if i can use straws interconnected for that and maybe a serial port powered switch by python. especially useful in a server PC hihihi! gotta try as soon as possible!
chuckisnutz5 years ago
If you could add something to the bottles that would gradually release pressure, like those nozzles on inflatable innertubes used when sledding, you would definately have something there. or, maybe something which doesn't begin releasing pressure until a minimum pressure is met, and then releases all pressure.
wiley coyote (author)  chuckisnutz5 years ago
You don't even want to know the overcomplicated, doomed to fail, air powered valve shutters and blockers, pistons and balloons I've contemplated when the answer was in front of me. On a larger system, control valves and the like would be great, but I'm simply experimenting on my window sill and .......... oh yes.........I like the way you think. One of my "motivations", if you will, is to keep it a "hack" job as much as possible. I do like your idea of the inflatables valves. It would actually work the same as the stone if it simply provided enough back pressure to drive the reservoir while providing an escape route for the air during the drain cycle. I've actually added the DWC unit to the air input, essentially an air stone, to release the pressure. It runs normally when the pump is on, increasing the bubbling action as the reservoir empties. When the reservoir empties the pressure is released through the planters and bubbling occurs there. When the pump is off the drain cycle drives the air stone again, slowly releasing the air as gravity pulls the water down. Working on an instructable as we speak regarding same ...................... and more, but have run into some minor construction issues with materials and design. Also wanted to let it run for a week or two first. Should hopefully be done within the next day or two. Note - All stones are not created equal and it's pressure releasing abilities are also directly related to the number of inches the air has to be pushed down through the water to the air stone and therefore the water levels are a MAJOR part of the key. I'm sure there's a technical term for it. It's also freed up my second pump by integrating the two.
bwpatton15 years ago
I built this system but with three bottles instead of two and it worked PERFECTLY! Very good idea A++++ Wonerful Instructable Thanks!!
wiley coyote (author)  bwpatton15 years ago
Thanks. I'm glad it worked out so well. I've been messing around with some improvements and EVEN cheaper construction methods. Hopefully I'll be able to whip something together soon.
fuzvulf5 years ago
Absolutely wonderful instructable. Going to add some small ribs for stability of the recycled containers and paint them to ward off algae growth but otherwise absolutely great instructable.
wiley coyote (author)  fuzvulf5 years ago
Thanks and good luck.
gomiboy6 years ago
I did this with my daughter's class, as I noted earlier - huge success! I built two setups, and tried to power both reservoirs with 2 air pumps pushing through a 3-way gang valve. Couldn't get enough pressure to do both, but because it's so modular, we were able to fall back to just one reservoir/2 pots and it worked great! Fantastic Instructable! Thanks for the inspiration!
wiley coyote (author)  gomiboy6 years ago
Excellent, thank you, and your welcome. I am further inspired by your success. I am glad you were able to work around the issues in front of them. Stimulates their minds and you get to be a hero. Hope they applauded. PS - I've found the "mosquito" type setup, done as low profile as possible, GREATLY increases the efficiency on the flood cycle. I think the problem arises from the vertical reservoir and that the difference in the column height is so greatly affected by the drop in the reservoir....the necessary increases in volume and pressure cannot be supplied by the little pump, especially if there are leaks/vents. The drain cycle is also MUCH slower, though. I'm hoping to have something, as passive as possible, worked out by next March. Hope that all made sense.
Calling carbonated beverages "pop" FTW.
wiley coyote (author)  FreshPineSent6 years ago
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention that...with the response from the milk bags and all. I like to think it's the most efficient way to spell it. Considering my typing skills, it could have taken hours longer to type "soda", never mind "carbonated beverages".
I believe a high-five is in order.
Pumpkin$6 years ago
cool! is there a way to grow avacados with these?
wiley coyote (author)  Pumpkin$6 years ago
Thanks. I would imagine that a similar setup could be modified to grow anything that could be grown in a planter, or a tidal pool for that matter.
do you think if I put fish in the reservoir they could take the pressure from the pump going on and off changing the pressure? really cool!! :)
wiley coyote (author)  pass-the-beans6 years ago
I've actually thought about that because I've got a big glass jug that would be perfect. I imagine there's something that could take it, depending on the set up. Is there any similar situations in nature? Hmmmm...... You're right, it would be cool. Too much work, and possible carnage, for me though.
Matt_6 years ago
I good Idea for expanding this is incorporting a fish tank into the setup

http://www.farmfountain.com/
Mikey D Matt_6 years ago
That's a heck of an idea! I just happen to have a 55 gal aquarium in my living room right across from our home Hydro unit (slide show to come) Hmmm... ...I wonder what momma (read wife) would say to me hanging a bunch of 1 liter bottles from the wall above the tank?
wiley coyote (author)  Matt_6 years ago
Thanks. That is beautiful. Till now, I've only had visions of such wonders. I've messed with my fish tank a little, but found the requirements to be contrary to my dislike of algae, electric bills, pump costs and potential labour. I think I'll look back into it, though.
Mikey D6 years ago
Brilliant! I have used the tube in the cap idea for many things but never this. This set up is referred to as "air over hydraulic" and is a great way to create large hydraulic pressures (lifting your nutes) with comparatively miniscule pneumatic pressures. As we know the aquarium air pumps make almost no pressure. but when applied to the large surface area of the nutes in the pop bottle, creates enough pressure to lift the fluid. Sorry for the preaching but it is the teacher in me loving your idea! I'm definitely going to put something like this together to teach my automotive students about hydraulics! Thanks!!!
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