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This is a simple overview on how to make explosives from ordinary salt: No going out and buying stuff, which everyone likes because going out and buying stuff is for wussies who cant improvise.

When your done you will have changed salt from sodium cholride to sodium chlorate. Which when mixed with aluminum can make a very powerful explosive powder.

You might also wana try mixing some Drano-lye-sodium hydroxide-caustic soda into the bottle when electrolyzing the mix. it might speed it up and make for purer sodium chlorate

Warning: Drano-Lye-Sodium hydroxide is nasty shnitzle
i got some in my eyes when i was makeing a drano bomb well i was trying to make a row of 4 and one exploded early in my face
it burned for like 30 mins then my eyes watered for like 5 days

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Warning: this is a unstable explosive it can explode if exposed to static or shock so do not shake
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This can make low to med quality Sodium Chlorate when compared to a bomb i made whith potasium nitrate (grants stump remover)

all results are rough compared useing frame by frame Fps

All mixed with aluminum real Black powder being the control

potasium nitrate 80%
sodium chlorate 60%

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Battery times

1 9V 2 Days
2 9V 1 Day
3 9V 12HR
Power Wheelz Battery 8H


Duck tape :
According to my research, you should not mix chlorates with sulfur or sulfides, other wise the mixture will become shock and friction sensitive when moist.

glassspider2142says:
use stainles steel for the elictrolisis, as in fuelcells, it wont be eaten, im going to use my fuel cell to make this stuff.
use salt with out iodein as it stains evry thing it touches.
mind you , you can use iodein in some explosives may make it more powerfull.

Duck tape
(i think)
You need to boil it, or it won't work. Apparently, you are making sodium hydroxide. Then, the chlorine gas bubbles through it to make sodium hypochlorite. The sodium hypochlorite has to be decomposed into sodium chlorate by way of boiling the solution


i am sory i can not help i am closeing this instructable nothing new will be added
as of now

this works and if i will not work for you it is becouse you did not do a step right
++ Kill Wog
 
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jaza7 years ago
also can u use this by its self or do ya need KNO3 coz i dont have any and i cant find grants stump remover though i do have tooth paste with pot nit in it though how do i get it out of there . plazxz commentzz sonnz
Kill Wog (author)  jaza7 years ago
Home DePhO has grants stump remover for 5$ a pound Just make the stuff outa salt and mix it with aluminum powder from aluminum foil and a 20$ or so grinder you don't need kno3 its just another oxidizer you can try explosive powder 101: For an explosive reaction all you need is an oxidizer and fuel for it to oxidize the best example is thermite its not an explosive but about the amount the size of a quarter can put a hole in someones car from the hood to the AZZPhalt in this reaction the oxidizer is iron oxide witch is just plain old rust the fuel is aluminum when mixed 50:50 and exposed to high heat suck as magnesium (the stuff in most party sparklers) that starts the reaction witch is rapid burning and consumption of oxigen it dosnt explode but thats the basic idea of explosives
i speak under correction but these things that you are making are not true explosives as in p4 type explosives ,they do not infact detonate but actually just combust very rapidly and when confined in a small space create a pseudo explosion (thats not to say less powerful) as the pressure build up to the point where the container bursts .would this be a correct assumption.
KNO3 is an oxidizer, as is this sodium chlorate...so no you dont need it with this, u can use that instead of sodium clorate, i heard that works better, but im more of a bum and dont have a lot of money (cuz im 14) and this kind of stuff doesnt go down well with the parents...just use aluminum/magnesium/zinc powder with this or the KNO3 or u can use sugar for a smoke bomb
andy607 years ago
how the hell do you grind alluminium foil???
andy60 andy607 years ago
forgot to say; " how do you grind alluminium foil, with out a coffe grinder?" sos bout that lol
afridave andy604 years ago
google ball mill
umm blender maybe? lol otherwise use sugar for a smoke bomb or magnesium/zinc powder
thanks al try that : )
you can get zinc from the bag inside of an alkaline battery. Wear gloves though.
haha just though of this...those are in series andddd your shorting them all they can all heat up pretty quickly no? just like when you snap 2 of those 9V together they both heat up because they are shorting each other out...soooo put a small light bulb in the line? idk _ just something that popped into my head
The water takes care of that... no need for a light buld..... But idk i use Carbon rods and i use a AC/DC charger
you dont understand electricity do you- the current is the bulk lot of negitively charged elcectrons going towards the parts where there are no electrons. it doesnt swap sides it equals out. they need to run to something other wise your over loading it.
oh yeah what i also ment to put in is because you don't have any sort of resistor (like a light bulb) between the two peripherals of the battery all the electrons try passing through at the same time- this is where the heat comes from- you shouldn't have thins problem if you running it through the water- water works as a resistor.
Um, I was doing something like this, but I was cleaning a coin, and had the batteries in a series like that. After about a minute they started making little popping noises and got hot enough to burn me when I took them apart.
you were cleaning a coin with electricity?
Well, with electrolysis. But, yeah.
i gotta try that now
jpoopdog4 years ago
that equation is incorrect!

this is how it works
nacl+3H2O= NaClO3+ 3H2

and another thing, it is pssible to do this at lower temperatures, to keep the salt from forming a hydroxide simply add hydrochloric acid in every now and then but it will take a VERY long time.

also the author failed to mention a thing about the most ready avalible electrode avalible, the carbon rod, which can be found inside any dry cell battery ( not lithium or rechargable).


another thing,the blue stuff is normal if your using copper as the electrode, that blue stuff is simpy copper oxide, the problem with your reaction is its too cold and the salt isnt oxidizing, the electrode is. btw if you burn that blue stuff it will make a green flame

lastly, as i pointed out before, adding hydrochloric acid will get you a better yeild of naclo3, plus any exess will avapourate when it cant turn into sodium chloride

hcl + naoh = nacl + h20

it will nuetralise as soon as the hydroxide is formed
Shagglepuff4 years ago
 When I do this, I end up with a bunch of blue powdery stuff (A LOT OF IT) in the bottom of my bottle. Is this normal?
 Oh, and the water also turned black.
shadowman24 years ago
First of all, you don't get sodium chlorate. All you get is: NaCl+H2O=NaOH+Cl2+H2 (You get sodium hydroxide, chlorine gas, and hydrogen.)!!!
To get sodium chlorate, you need to do an electrolysis of a HOT (>80 degrees celcius) sodium chloride (table salt) solution: NaCl+H2O=NaClO3+H2. Otherwise, you will get internal injuries from the chlorine gas (die).
Sorry for my englisch. =)
mrsheltie4 years ago
Will this make any toxic gases?
Delaney4 years ago
Ok so to clear somethings up. one 9v battery won't do crap. for 100g of NaCl you need 380+ Ah where a 9v has like 0.15 Ah The best anode is platinum (too expensive the second best is Lead Dioxide I'm making an instructable right now on simple construction of a PbO2 anode. I'm currently running a 100g cell to test my anode.
I'm running it 12V at 5.84A and I can make perchlorates with this electrode so in 4 days I'll have sodium perchlorate.
check out this calculator thats what I used to calculate running time.
BOOM56015 years ago
How fast would 240 volts do it?
hey... GREAT! an instructable on making sodium chlorate!!! but i need a little help: so i used a 9V DC old phone charging thing, and some plastic-coated grey-colored wire and some pretty saturated salt water and used hot glue to glue the wire to the cap. I plugged it in and after 5 mins, sure enough, 1/2 in of the exposed nonbubbling wire was dissolved. and a whole bunch of black stuff started gathering on the bottom and rust-colored substance floated to the top after 15 minutes. a LOT. so i was wondering... is this normal? once i finish that part of the process (according to your ible - 48 hours or 2 days), and boil it, is it going to turn all white? and another thing - should i pour out all the stuff and boil it, or leave the black or rusty stuff (or both?) out of the boiling process? i really want to make this stuff... thx for your ible! PLEASE answer!!! (before i finish the electrolysis process, preferably).
The black stuff is dissolved wire.It is normal.You have to filter it through a coffee filter to make it pure.
alextricity5 years ago
Usb is DC. The more voltage (10-30V) the better. This will allow more current to flow and therefor a faster reaction speed.
im pretty sure usb is alternating current isn't it? computers run on ac dont they, or does the power unit convert it?
The main power supply converts the ac to dc after the voltage has been lowered. I.E.-
<<MAIN 120V AC IN>>
ac 120 in <transformer> ac less than 3.3-12v out
ac 3.3-12v in <<diode><capacitor>> to convert it to pure dc
<>out<>
The computer will send pure DC power on one wire and two others for the actual data signals. Pin config: +5 data- data+ ground (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#USB_cables) :-)
Danger696 years ago
when you electrolize salt-water you should get your sodium chlorate, but what you also produce is chloride-gas. but should you keep the chloride gas inside the bottle (under pressure)?? or should you make holes in the cap, so that the gas can escape ??
i would make holes in the cap so the as could escape so that the bottle does not explode from internal pressure
is it possible to use a severed usb cable to do the electrosis- i have no batteries but huge amounts of old usb stiff that dont work- i think the usb is ac current so im not sure if it would work- btw the current is at 5 volts
It would work but would be dangerous with ac current.
im just curiouse as to how it would make it dangerouse, im not disagreeing id just like to know. (i do physics and chemistry at school so imkinda into atoms etc)
Well, AC stands for alternating current.When the current goes into the water,it does a complete circle and heads back up the wires,overheating the transformer which then catches on fire.
The hydrogen and chlorine would come off the same wire and would spontaneously combust.
i tryed this with 110vac 15 amps andit made CLHORINE GAS so i went with 5 volts 2 amps
alextricity5 years ago
The computer power supply converts 120V AC (1-2 amps) to several different voltages at DC.
dellboy6 years ago
hey what happened, after electrolysis i boiled off the water and left it to dry and it was a light blue color but it didn't burn and i don't know what or how i got it. could it be a salt?
Mine is blue to and I can't figure out what happened to it.
jaza7 years ago
hey ive onli got copper wire with no clips to go on batts so wat can i do and you said it will disolve in half a day if i use copper wire so if i put 10 batts on will they explode or work?? plaz comment back on predetor__@hotmail.com
Kill Wog (author)  jaza7 years ago
Jaza: just use the graphite in a num 2 penzl duck tape: noooooooo!!!!! plz for the sake of everyone in that house just let it sit out in the sun for a day or 2 $T.ars3nic: the one on totse is Cr@p i read it 2 times its hard to understand and the way its explained the person must not have even did it before he posted it the whole things really unpractical glassspider2142: ya the damn but pipe goverment put some blockers in the nitrate so we can't use it no more for explosives but who cares grant's stump remover is salt petter and its only 5$ a pound the main thing in TNT gunpowder black powder Ko3 Baby just mix it whith magnesium or aluminum powder and Boom
pyro13 Kill Wog7 years ago
will 3.7 dc volts work? im using an old cell phon charger
Yes.
pyro13 Kill Wog7 years ago
hey dude... how much aluminum powder do i have to add, and what is a better way of getting fuel... kuz i dont have a cofee grinder... or anything else like that. what should i do?
lol
bylerfamily5 years ago
I made some and mixed it with sugar.It made a ton of smoke.
bylerfamily5 years ago
Is there any other way to make sodium chlorate?
saskwche6 years ago
is this any different from potassium chlorate?
marine123206 years ago
I did this the same way except with paperclips and 1 9V battery to make iron oxide. Did i also make a sodium chlorate solution?
marine123206 years ago
Do i have to use 5 9V batteries or will one just work?
for something to oxidize, could u grind up multivitamin pills? they contain magneseum, zinc, and many other metals...would they work?
if you look closely at the bottles, they usually say stuff like magnesium (as magnesium dioxide).
sooo it wouldnt work?
probably not. maybe, but i don't think so.
a'ight i will buy some KNO3 to try it...the batch of this stuff i made did nothing _ i'll let you know my results
the kno3 is an oxidizer- just like this sodium chlorate- your just mixing two oxidizers- no explosive potential.
He was talking about mixing it with vitamins, not sodium chlorate.
thank you duct tape... at least someone understands my questions
that wasn't a question- you dont understand english- it's why your "statment" didn't make sense.
I have no idea what your talking about, but my statement made sense. My original question stated whether or not using ground up multivitamin pills would be a substance that the sodium chlorate would oxidize. In my statement about trying it with KNO3, I did not mean mixing the sodium chlorate with the KNO3. If you read through the original question and other comment posts after the question, you will see that it DID make sense after all, you just don't understand it. "Me- So it wouldn't work?" "Duct Tape- probably not, maybe, but I don't think so" "Me- okay i will buy some KNO3 to test it" The subject of our conversation was the multivitamin pills, not the sodium chlorate. That's why I said "okay i will buy some KNO3 to test IT. Thank you, and have a nice day!
you conformist, a'ight?, how cliche...
what?
you said a'ight, that makes you a conformist, because you copied other people by saying it, and that word is a cliche, just, nevermind...
a'ight thanks for the info
anyway, mr.BMW, if i confuse you, it's because i'm stuck in a hotel in china right now, and post tons of random comments on instructables, i also make pointless instructables, view it here
Please, Mr. South Park, is it? Leave your random comments somewhere else, thank you!
you're welcome i guess, anyway, it's actually Mr. south park, ACDC (look closer at the picture) , smoking, beer drinking, chinese mafia man (mafia hat) Get it straight, man
did that make sense?
doesn't have to P.S. - did you click on the picture, that might help...
i still dont get it... oh well
kk
-Aj- duct tape6 years ago
multivitamins WONT work. ok look at the mesurements of them. its milligrams or MICROgrams. nowhere near what you need lol!! :P
hahaha i didnt think it would...it was just a thought :P
the aluminum etc isnt the oxidiser- the sodium chlorate is (the left over salt substance). the magnisium and stuff is to make the boom bit :)
tylerb6 years ago
Does grinding al foil work? How long do you grind it.
So hang on for a sec there lads. If the clay is added to the carbon graphite in pencils for strength, then you'd be better off stripping the "softer" ones maybe? Just a thought.
bigcheeze6 years ago
this totaly doesn't work,I tried 3 times but nothing I even tried magnesium LIES,LIES,LIEs,LIES,LIES,LIES,LIES,LIES,LIES,LIES!!! SO FRUSTERATING!!!GAGH!!...no offence.....
Try using boiling water to start with.
the cook6 years ago
how dose this bomb ignight an how do u get a pic to be your defalt picture
acid-burn6 years ago
As a reply to an eairlyer comment, what a led does to ac. in the jar you would have two electrodes to electercialy sort out the chemicals from each outher. any way when the led is hooked up it blocks the ac 1/2 cycle for every 1. "simple it gives u dc current outta a wallpack" this is better done by a full wave bridge rectifer, . be safe, anything over 50 v will kill you at 1 1/100 amp. ie 34 d cells connected in series could amd may kill you. the wall Will kill you.
duct tape7 years ago
hey, i recently made some, and it has a beige color to it. What do you think it is?
Kill Wog (author)  duct tape7 years ago
its the coper wire duck tape just filter it whith a coffe thing
I did do that, and this is what I got. Probably some access rust or something... anyway, it doesn't matter now. We had a party, and the cleanup maid we hired threw it out. :{
anyone?
$T.ars3nic7 years ago
the reason why none of this is working is because you need to dissolve the salt with pure sulferic acid (not battery acid) and water, and to cut the battery i recomend useing a pipe cuter to cut the carbon out, just cut the positive side and pull the carbon rod out.
I've reied this a couple times and it hasn't worked for me. Does anyone have an idea on what i did wrong?
Correct me if I'm wrong but could graphite from a pencil be used as anode? I believe I read something of that nature of the intranet.
Hi, i tried using pencil graphite from a regular pencil and larger ones like these but they all dissolved. I even tried using stainless steel welding electrodes but they dissolved also! argh!
if you have some old batteries u can take them apart and they have carbon rods in them. the way to tell if they have a carbon rod is if you can remove the bump on the positive side pulling on it with some pliers. the bump should be like a cap on the battery
ya, you can use pencil 'lead'. Be aware though, pencil graphite has clay added for strength, so it might get hot due to resistance. if you use substitute salt (potassium chloride) you can make something even stronger, because potassium is farther down the alkali metal list, having a more vigorous reaction.
can you help me? i dont understand step 3 where it says to open up batteries and do domething with the batteries and wires.
You basically stick 2 wires (not touching) into the salt water, and hook them up to either side of a battery (or batteries, or for that matter a DC wall wart). Here's how to get carbon rods. You can attach the wires to these, and put these in the water instead, and you won't get copper mush at the bottom.

btw, Don't throw away the Manganese Dioxide from the batteries, it is a good oxidizer too, but I couldn't get it to ignite with aluminum powder.
lol umm whats Manganese Dioxide? the gunky acid stuff?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-zinc_battery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manganese_dioxide

It's an oxidizer, or the "depolarizing" agent in carbon-zinc batteries (no clue what that is). I think it's only acidic in alkaline batteries. Don't try alkaline batteries, they are more nasty to open up and don't even have carbon rods.

It's not too dangerous, just don't eat it and don't breath it in. If you're looking for something to do with it, mix it with hydrogen peroxide and make oxygen.
A depolarizing agent is something that keeps gaseous hydrogen from building up around your cathode and increasing the resistance of your cell. When you have cells that seem to do well for about five minutes then die out, that is a sign of polarizing.
nice. free oxygen. well, not really lol.
when you say use graphite, do you mean instead of a carbon rod?
carbon rod = graphite. pencil lead = graphite+clay.
so could i still use lead?
Sorta. I tried it with mechanical pencil lead, and it got all eaten up and made the water nasty, so probably not. It's worth it to get true carbon rods.
you can use a pencil lead, but when i tried it i used a ac to dc adapter 9v and plugged it in the wall, it corroded the lead lol maybe just the amperage tho
J BOMB7 years ago
will the prosses go faster if you use 10 9v batteries instead of just five?
lol
the water is turning yellow!!! what should i do?
Just keep going. Mine changed colors plenty.
it smelled like chlorine so i dumped it. i dont want it 2 make gass and kill me
Kill Wog (author)  pyro137 years ago
yes pyro that will kill you really fast
pyro13 Kill Wog7 years ago
so should i do it in a sealed bottle? either way im definetly doing it outside next time. things that im brewing in my basement that smell like bleach makes my common sense meter point 2 "HOLY **** TURN IT OFF"
it will produce chlorein, hydrogen, and oxigen. dont use sealed bottel! do it out side or a open shed
it doesn't produce oxygen. it produces only hydrogen and chlorine.
when the elictrolisis breaks off the hydrogen in the water molicle what hapens to the oxigen? iv been makeing hydrogen ballons for fun with fuel cell bleeding off the oxigen so they fly and iv never smelt a wisp of chlorine, i use a small amount of salt as an electrolite.
In this reaction, there is a very high amount of salt in the electrolyte (sp?). The chloride ion is more negetive than the oxygen ion, so it is liberated at the positive electrode. The remaining oxygen goes into the production of sodium hydroxide, lye, or NaHO. If you want hydrogen and oxygen, use baking soda as the electrolyte.
ohhh thanks dude . gess i should not use salt for electrolite for colecting iron oxide as my thermite may just explode.
lol
seriosly duz your LOL mean my thermite may explode? or will it just ignite better? you do seem to know ya shit and i am just a pesant! but a happy peasant enjoying the joy of makin shit go bang!!!!
lol means it won't explode (unfortunately). Say, what have you been using to ignite your thermite?
Kill Wog (author)  pyro137 years ago
ahahahahah thats rich
Ya, but I guess I wouldn't know anything about it, because I haven't successfully made anything with this yet... I'm doing more research. edit: You need to boil it, or it won't work. Apparently, you are making sodium hydroxide. Then, the chlorine gas bubbles through it to make sodium hypochlorite. The sodium hypochlorite has to be decomposed into sodium chlorate by way of boiling the solution.
Kill Wog (author)  J BOMB7 years ago
thats 90V try useing only 2 for 2 days if this is your first batch 90V will make it boil and that will put out a ton of chlorine gas and that stuff sucks ballz you will die if you use 90v in your room do this outside im sure you can wait 2 days for a pound of sodium chlorate
Yes, but the batteries are almost certainly going to blow up.
So, how would I go about grinding the chunk o' magnesium?
i don't know....
Oh well, it doesn't really matter anymore. I found like 5 lbs. of aluminum powder on ebay for $10.
awesome!
duct tape7 years ago
has anyone tried a 6-volt yet?
Kill Wog (author)  duct tape7 years ago
nope but if you put some amps in it it should work
what do you mean?
Kill Wog (author)  duct tape7 years ago
you know ampage is the ammount of electrons voltage is the pull
I mean how would you get more amps? And if you were going for amps, wouldn't you get more by using AA's or AAA's instead? Btw: I am working on an airsoft project involving nitrogen tiiodide as an ignition source to detonate a small amount of sodium chlorate mixed with aluminum to shoot out airsoft pellets.
duct tape7 years ago
Yay! I am in teh credits!
Kill Wog (author)  duct tape7 years ago
ya you can thank canida for dat lol he put his name first :P
hey....so what happened when i made this is...1)of course it didnt work :P 2.)i think because i didnt electrolize it nearly long enough...BUT i also found something out from watching MYTHBUSTERS! you cannot do electrolysis with AC current...you MUST use DC...or else it wont work...but anyway my 9 volts were in a short so they heated up and then lost all of their charge...kinda sucks...so i gotta buy some more...or i have battery packs i hope i can recharge...i am going to try this again with 3 or 4 rods and use the graphite in a num.2 pencil...the clay in the graphite dissolves but not NEARLY as much as the copper from the wires...
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
ya it didnt work good for me whith AC but i did get small results
If you only have AC to use, just put an LED in the circuit.
Wouldn't that turn the led into a bomb from overpressurizing?
yah what happens is it makes the sodium whatever it is...then because its A/C the current comes back thru and changes back :P mythbusters is da bomb
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
i can see dat i guess
Kaiven7 years ago
i need an answer quick! i used 5 batteries, but they are alll different (old and new)!! How can i tell when it's ready?
Kill Wog (author)  Kaiven7 years ago
lol all my 9 v's are new or old the time dosent really matter that much just let it sit for a day for 2 if your not sure
Kaiven Kill Wog7 years ago
ok... but i used alluminum sticks instead of carbon rod........its mostly rust now
Kill Wog (author)  Kaiven7 years ago
just pour it out and leave the rust on the bottom its no big deal
Kaiven Kill Wog7 years ago
my threw away everything >:(
Kill Wog (author)  Kaiven7 years ago
lol why ?
Kaiven Kill Wog7 years ago
she thought it was "dirty"
Kill Wog (author)  Kaiven7 years ago
well girls are like that you should told her you were makeing bombs lol
Kaiven Kill Wog7 years ago
she doesn't know im a piro maniac... i almost got caught a few times, but im pretty secretive. btw she HATES fire, fireworks, explosives, smoke, ect
Kill Wog (author)  Kaiven7 years ago
LOL well dont know what to say go do it in a quary
Kill Wog (author)  Kaiven7 years ago
just buy some grants stump remover at 5$ a pound then lol if people will not let you do it
use stainles steel for the elictrolisis, as in fuelcells, it wont be eaten, im going to use my fuel cell to make this stuff. use salt with out iodein as it stains evry thing it touches. mind you , you can use iodein in some explosives may make it more powerfull.
Kill Wog (author)  glassspider21427 years ago
Kick AZZ im adding this
Rybin7 years ago
holy shit something rly bad happened!!! i went on a vacation, and used a 5.2v converter, leaving it on for almost a week.... when i came home, the corner of my room was a purple/brown color, my walls were soaked, and my house smelled like a spa... what did i do wrong?
Kill Wog (author)  Rybin7 years ago
AhahahaahahahahahahahHh OMG i that is so funny Ahahahahaahahahah well anyway you left it on to long and it ate the bottle and leaked out what you are makeing is not salt lol it can get through a bottle in a few days left unchecked
Kaiven7 years ago
when it says " hot wheels battery - 8 hrs" what is a hot wheels battery?
Kill Wog (author)  Kaiven7 years ago
those small car battery's in kid's play car's that they ride in
Kill Wog (author) 7 years ago
i just added there names at random click and paste lol
Kill Wog (author) 7 years ago
credits? lol canida
how do i get the sludge out? and what i did was use 2 battery packs that were 9v each...and for the first 20 min it was bubbling crazy now theres like 2 or 3 bubbles...i check with my voltmeter and they were still alive...is that supposed to happen?
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu????????? i think it has something to do with polorizeing
It's called electrolysis, and yes, that's normal in the process. It's running out of fresh molecules to break up. Pour the sludge through a few coffee filters, I think your copper stuff is the dissolved copper from the electrolysis.
So, does it still work if it is in this state? Or should they add more salt? What is the solution?
I haven't tried setting off the sodium chlorate with the copper still in it (when it comes to explosives, I'm not generally very adventurous lest I lose a hand), but I would think that it would result in the sodium chlorate being less pure and therefore less useful. As far as I know, there is no way to stop the copper from dissolving, but you might try putting in a small metal object, like a washer or other metal part. Make sure it's clean, but if it's shiny don't use it- it's probably been zinc-coated. One of the many useful applications for electrolysis is coating iron or steel in zinc to help prevent oxidation, and if you have a coated object in the solution it will only be polluted further. If your metal piece is clean and free of other metals, though, some of the copper should be plated on its surface, and you'll have less sludge to worry about. Also, if you're using a coated object as your conductor plate, it will add more sludge. Other than that, I would recommend straining the sludge through coffee filters or filter paper (if you can get it), because nothing I can think of will stop the copper from dissolving.
stainless steel! it wont oxidise. im going to use small fuel cell i made to make this "exploding salt"
Thanks for your answers.
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
well theres a salt like substance in there its gona hold a charge ever hear of a salt water Cap
alexalex1327 years ago
It didn't work for me. I used a 13.5v converter thing instead of batteries. I had it on for less than a day, the copper wire disintegrated so I stopped. I boiled it and was left with white crystal/powder, dried it out, and to test, mixed it with sugar. It did absolutely nothing, no smoke or anything, didn't even light. I think I did something wrong and just wound up with salt.
Kill Wog (author)  alexalex1327 years ago
i never said use sugar whith sodium chlorate it only works whith potasium nitrate to make a "sugar Fuse" if you want to test it break open a echa-Schetch its full of aluminum powder use that mixed 50-50 to test your powder ps.half a day is not really that long also use a carbon rod it will not melt break open a AA battery that way you wont have to change your wires out or filter it out i hope this helps
awsome 2 bad my parents wont let me do this
THIS IS RETARDED YOU WILL MELT YOUR FACES OFF DOING THIS CRAP btw aluminum foil isnt real aluminum its borite they stopped using aluminum beacuase its bad for you.
Kill Wog (author)  Diabolic Candy7 years ago
Aluminum foil is made from an aluminum alloy which contains between 92 and 99 percent aluminum. Usually between 0.00017 and 0.0059 inches thick There is no borite if you want to stop people from trying this then tell them how chlorine gas is deadly not make up crap about borite google borite and tell me what you get Eat penguin shit you ass belonker ps. pardon my lang but this user is stupid he must have done a lot of Weed there is no such thing as borite
Spartan 1177 years ago
Very Very Very nice I'm off to try it :-)and I'll let you knwo how i went Aaron
diymark7 years ago
Ive tried this electrolysis thing in a similar way in a glass jar and with stainless steel electrodes and i had problems, the mixure turned blue, green, black and was a complete stuff up so i worked out my electrodes and the container were the problem!!!! Next i used a plastic container and carbon electrodes out of a 6 volt battery (nice and big) and i tried a 2.4 volt 2 amp dc plug pack and left it for the night - boiled it in the morning and it didnt work with sugar? and my liquid turned into a brown powder after boiling? should i boil it to a paste then dry it in the sun? or boil it stright to a dry mass then crush it up? Also would a 12 volt 8 amp car charger be any good? im finding this wierd, how can u use a low current 45 volt bunch of 9 volts (5) and have it electrolise the mix in 24 hours when 8 or 2 amps from my PSU wont do anything? Finally, i used 12 volt 18 amp hour car battery and left it for 15 mins and dried it, it still turned brown but after further heating it went white so i mixed it with sugar and it sustained a burn once lit(i worked out after the math that i needed 6 hours of electrolysis but after 15 mins the cables almost melted - very high current) so i might retry this for longer? Please help
duct tape7 years ago
I did two 9V for two days :) . According to my research, you should not mix chlorates with sulfur or sulfides, other wise the mixture will become shock and friction sensitive when moist.
dude when u used 2 9V...did they get extremly hot? i am using 2 of them and they are starting to overheat in just 10 min...i dontreallywant to start a fire
I just tried again with 4 9-volts and the duracell battery blew the bottom off of itself.
HAHAHAHAHAHA...mine just lost all their charge...but i DID get some sodium chlorate out of it...ty kill wog great instructable
Ya... lol. Turns out that if your batts get warm you need less surface area on the negative side.
mine did not even get warm.
seriously? how did u connect them then???...i took 2 duracell 9v and connected one end of one into the opposite polarity of the other, the same way Kill Wog has it in his photo, except i used 2, then i used graphite pencil lead and 2 alligator clip wires to go from the batteries to the wires w/ pencil lead...comment back soon please!
Try to have more surface area on the electrodes, i. e., use multiple leads. I pored my water through a couple coffee filters to get rid of the sluge. Just warning you, this is the last time i will be on instructables for a week (vacation).
wouldnt pouring it though a coffee filter get rid of the sodium clorate?
Nope. The sodium chlorate is dissolved, it won't come out in the filter.
Kill Wog (author)  duct tape7 years ago
once again duck tape some more good input i am going to add that right away
Tip about electrolisys: the bigger the surface area of the contacts/plates, the more affective it will be. (I've done tests)
no, bigger contact area helps, but what really matters is how close you can get your electrodes before they arc, which depends on how much current you get the thing to draw. amperage is what you're looking for, if your electrolosis machine draws around 10 amps or so you're doing pretty good. i have also found that platinum foil makes the best electrodes , kinda pricey though, high quality stainless steel works good, and has a resonable price compared to the platinum, try getting some stainless sheet metal and setting 2 plates parallel to eachother, maybe in a coil inside a coil to save space, remember, you need surface area and close electrodes to make it work fast.
another tip: carbon will not break down while doing electrolisys, most other materials will. find some carbon rods (easy to find).
$T.ars3nic7 years ago
the problem with grant's stump remover is that its not pure in the sense that it is in prills, and the prills contain a binder that affects performance. so here is a link to purify kno3 http://krimzonpyro.com.ve.carpathiahost.net/ep/projectsdevicesdir/kno3.html
Kill Wog (author)  $T.ars3nic7 years ago
the blinder has a vary low effect on it
Kill Wog (author)  Kill Wog7 years ago
i take it back $T.ars3nic after reading that page it looks as tho my method of just crushing the pearls with the but end of the screwdriver might not work as good as useing a coffffffffffffffe filter and some water
Kill Wog (author)  Kill Wog7 years ago
well i just got done testing it and yes the powder i crushed from pearls burns slower with sugar then the one i got from the water and filter method
ok so i got it all filtered out and everythign then put it into a washed out coffee tin and boiled it with a propane torch. but it was takin too long and i was running out of propane so i stopped...how should i boil it otherwise? i dont have an outdoor camping stove...what should i do?
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
you don't have to boil it just make it steam
hmm how do i crush up the sodium clorate that i dried instead of boiled, into powder? coffee grinder? or like mortar/pestle?
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
i used a bowl and the but end of a screwdriver
im gonna try this with sugar for a smoke bomb, really into paintball and smokebombs come in handy...a few questions 1) how much water do i put in for elctrolisis? 2)what is the percent of sodium clorate to sugar? and i think thats it please comment soon!
Duct Tape is right about the chlorate. I've heard potassium nitrate (high-nitrogen fertilizer) will make better smoke bombs anyway. Be sure you leave the smoke bomb. Electrolysis doesn't need a specific amount of water; just dissolve as much as you can.
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
what ever duck tape said and fill the bottle as full as you can and put in as much salt into it as you can becouse the salt you put in will be as much sodium chlorate as you get out
DO NOT PUT SUGAR AND SODIUM CHLORATE TOGETHER IN A CONFINED SPACE!!! This will explode instead of burning slowly. If you want to make a smoke bomb with it, try a 50/50 or 40/60 chlorate/sugar ratio, just don't confine it unless you want to make a real bomb.
my stupid copper sludge is all mixed in...it looks like rusty water...bad right?
oh and what did u use to boil it outside? i cant think of anything...i probably will just air dry it but u said i have to grind it down to powder then right? and it wont be as pure as if u boil it?
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
ether way it will be pure drying outside just takes more work becouse you will have to crush it up boiling gives you powder
so i put the copper wires in and i didnt have any batteries so i have to go out and buy some...will the copper wires dissolve without the electricity running through them?
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
no only when you got voltage going through them but you should use carbon rods rather then copper just rip open 2 AA's it will cut back on the amount of sludge at the bottom you will have to filter out
duct tape7 years ago
Can't you just get the same stuff by boiling bleach?
Kill Wog (author)  duct tape7 years ago
Ahahaha sorry duct tape but i had to laugh
it's ok.
Kill Wog (author)  duct tape7 years ago
its vary hard and vary long Duck Tape you can look it up if you want to
sorry another comment: does it have to be DC current? can i use AC? i have a lot of AC power regulators (my dad is an electronic engineer)... and do i have to boil it? boiling is just to get rid of the water so it will actually explode right? can i just spread it out on a couple thin pieces of cardboard or somethin and let it sit in the sun?
It helps to boil it, by turning some of the remaining hypochlorite into chlorate.
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
Any
Kill Wog (author) 7 years ago
Also to help your powder stay fresh put a little bit of rice in it to absorb the watter
Kill Wog (author) 7 years ago
i left out some info about what to put your new explosive powder in so here it is Kill Wog's top 5 Bomb Fillers 1: used up Co2 Tank From BB Gun's take a dremel and etch a grenade patern 2: Golf Ball 3:GI Joe Doll Drill a Small hole in his back and put the powder in for a comical bomb 4:Surplus Grenade (they empty the black powder out and Drill a Hole in the bottom) Simply weld the hole shut unscrew the top and fill her up if the fuse looks burnt out simply put a new one in the striker will still work 5:Toy Rocket ship (at the end of its flight the rocker motor blows the shoot out with a small amount of flash powder simply fill the rocker with black powder at the top and at the end of its flight it will blow up so loud it will make your ears ring
ok here's what not to do: (what i did) i didnt have any 9 volts lying around, but i did have a nice 60v 10A dc ps with 6 parallel 12000uf caps hooked up to it... (i use it for spot welding battery tabs) so i hooked up the output cables to some graphite rods from a couple of dead heavy duty AA batts. got it all set up (used potassium chloride instead of sodium chloride), turned it on. and.... zap ... the rods got so hot they melted the copper wires that i had hooked them to and filled the room with chlorine gas, ick. if i do this anymore i'm doing it outside. i tried doing it with aluminum welding rods, but it just blew the fuse in the ps. so is there any way to use such a high current, or will it always end up producing massive amounts of chlorine gas?
okies, tried doing it outside with a 12v 1A wallwart - and after 6 hours it had overheated the wallwart and killed the thermistor - i think its seeing the salt solution as a direct short. would using a resistor help? also, would using high voltage low current work, or would it just mess it up? for ex, i have a nice flyback that runs off of mains power and makes 12kv at 5ma. would that work? just thinking about it because those supplies don't care if you short em, i've had it running for 4 days straight with it shorted out without a problem. the only potential problem i can see it the chance that it could spark above the water level and ignite the hydrogen and the oxygen that are given off with the chlorine gas.
Kill Wog (author)  sparksnflames7 years ago
Damn Dude you only need one 9 volt
where the hell can u get grants stump remover in england i tryed like 3 different places need help
Kill Wog (author)  pryo_mainiac7 years ago
you don't need it its just an oxidizer to try
$T.ars3nic7 years ago
did you get this idea from www.totse.com.
Kill Wog (author)  $T.ars3nic7 years ago
im pretty sure the one on totse was copyed from one i posted on a form a few years back
oh and one more, what should i use to house these chemicals? for storing and for lighting, i am thinkin ping pong ball with a fusein it? would that work?
Kill Wog (author)  babybackribs7 years ago
Golf Balls Work So Much Better
jaza7 years ago
so do i attach the copper wire to the 2b lead then connect to bats or what plaz comment bak soon fanxx
Kill Wog (author) 7 years ago
Just something to add if you dont want your mix a dirty rip open 2 AA or AAA bats and take out the black rod this is a carbon rod it will not melt Warning: when you do this do it outside chlorine gas Sucks so don t be a But Pipe and kill your self do this outside i live in alaska so theres nothing but room and rocky area's to do this be smart don't blow stuck up in you town explosives are much louder then a gun shot and you don't want people comeing to check out the loud noise you should do this over water send it out in a soda can or something
why aint all the swell heads jumping all over this instructable for bad spelling? i got hammered by geaks for less. not like you can email a bomb (pity). used to be lots of nitrates is the garden shops but the all gone now (newzealand). so thanks dude
duct tape7 years ago
Can you boil it in the microwave, or are there too many fumes?
Kill Wog (author) 7 years ago
Wow i leave for like 4 weeks and i got 2,000 views how did this happen well...... pyro13) Yes you can dry it out but it it will look more like salt and less like powder so you will have to crush it into powder kruser495) Yes Sugar Will Work but it will be more like a low explosive smoke bomb Yes 12V is better the 9 any voltage will works the more the faster duct tape) yep graphite will work better just don't hook a car battery up to it yep potassium chloride works better but its more expensive and harder to find reeeyaan) yes any salt will do myfootinyourass) sure why not i used a power wheels battery Kelani) soooooo were is your instructable on how to act like you know everything
It is a good instuctable... that is why you have so many views.
JayThePyro7 years ago
wat is the proper ratio of sodium chlorate to metal..is it 50/50, or is the best ratio for me to discover?
Remote Man7 years ago
i love you, but not in the gay way. DUDE YOU ROCK! can this stuff serve as a substitute for saltpeter in the saltppeter + sugar smokebomb?
JayThePyro7 years ago
wat is the ratio of sodium chlorate to metal, in my case aluminum powder?
lemonie7 years ago
Sodium chloride is salt.
You really need the carbon anode.
It wouldn't hurt to add some sodium hydroxide to the brine before you start.
And I'm really doubtful that this method can even get up to commercial weedkiller strength - This is theorectical rather than practical?

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Kill Wog (author)  lemonie7 years ago
how would lye help? adding lye might speed it up but you have to boil it at the end and lye is nasty stuff you wana boil that on your stove and yes its hard to do without the carbon rod's i appreciate your criticism but this recipe was passed down from my pyro brother and i think his old science teacher taught him its ben proven as a flash powder
pyro13 Kill Wog7 years ago
do u have to boil it? or can u just dry it out?
I believe that you need to run this reaction fairly warm to produce chlorate anyway(?)
Did you get anything usable out of it?
Your picture shows 9v cells in parallel, I'd advise running these in series for higher current.
Some calculations tell me you need ~50Ah to produce 1 mol of dichlorine:
2 Cl- = 2 e- + Cl2
This will give you 1 mol of hypochlorite:
Cl2 + -OH = Cl- + ClOH (= ClO- + H+)
But there's another 4 electron oxidations to take Cl(I) to (V) in chlorate. So I end up with with 150 Ah to give you ~100g?

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actually, the 9-volts are in series.
Yes, I got the words the wrong way around. Shame that it took 25 days for anyone to spot that. L
Kill Wog (author)  lemonie7 years ago
interesting I'm gona throw a little Drano into the next batch and set the 9v's in parallel and yes i do get usable sodium chlorate whit it hooked up to the mains at 7v 900 ma DC for 2 days the hard part is drying the mix after you boil it i will post a update and on the batch i put lye into tomorrow thanks for the info
That's ~300Ah? - nice going. Does the current warm the solution noticably? Last time I did anything like this, my carbon electrode corroded quite significantly (being held in with Blu-tac the electolyte leaked out when it had degraded so far...) How are yours holding-up? L
Kill Wog (author)  lemonie7 years ago
wow i cant thank you enough for that sodium hydroxide tip from what i can tell from testing it whit sugar its improved a ton I'm gona add that also i find copper wire works good because it doesn't erode Ass fast and it goes right to the bottom so i don't have to filter it and Ass for the bottle leaking i used epoxy anyway this method is overrated recently iv ben getting my oxidizer from grants stump remover 98% potassium nirtate it's only 4$ a pound to.
Kill Wog (author)  Kill Wog7 years ago
Also That Drano can really stink up a house when you boil it :) whole things good except for boiling the mix i decided not to add the Drano tip someone could die
Can i just use a car battery?
Kelani7 years ago
IMO anyone who uses the word "shnitzle" should not be playing with chemicals, much less things that go boom.
reeeyaan7 years ago
will iodized salt do?
Kill Wog (author) 7 years ago
yes dont use copper use a batterys carbon rods copper chlorate's hard to deal whith in sodium chloratei have some sitting in a dixie cup sory no pic but i got a bigger explosin then i thought and my cam was sitting a little close anyway its a light blue color and its got the texture of salt
westfw7 years ago
Does this really work? I thought electrolyzing Salt to Sodium Chlorate took quite a bit more care and time. Copper electrodes are probably a bad idea. Copper Chlorate is bad news...
lemonie7 years ago
Anyone thinking of playing with oxidisers would be well advised to do a bit of internet research. I've found more than one commentry which admitted personal (accidental) injury through using this stuff. L