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seamaas says: Aug 21, 2011. 6:08 PM
i can't see it. why?
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SeanPatrick says: Feb 4, 2009. 3:49 PM
I've taken apart a bunch of batteries for this step and none of them have carbon rods in them, just a nail on the negative end and some bluish powder in a cardboard cylinder on the positive. How old were the batteries you were using? I did find a rod in an old hobby battery I had but its huge
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thatinventor1 in reply to SeanPatrickApr 22, 2011. 3:58 AM
very nice, high purity/quality carbon sticks can be found here for a steal http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17_69&products_id=105 but they are kind of large so i cut mine down with a scroll saw, and made an arc furnace capable of melting steel (in small amounts, I E a couple of teaspoons or so)
Xellers in reply to SeanPatrickFeb 22, 2009. 4:50 AM
LinuxH4x0r in reply to SeanPatrickFeb 4, 2009. 5:14 PM
Its usually the "heavy duty" ones, not alkalines
masterochicken says: Mar 29, 2011. 11:01 PM
A couple of things. One, Oxy-fuel glasses are usually around a shade 5, and with any arc welding, a minimum of atleast shade 7 is suggested (straight from textbook.) Goggles and shaded lenses are very inexpensive. There is no reason not to be safe when it comes to your eyes.

Also, you probably should use some kind of flux on your joints. An unprotected molten pool will absorb moisture and atmosphere, causing porosity and oxidization. (This is probably where your welds are breaking)
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lucek says: Feb 16, 2009. 2:55 PM
rough science
this is the PBS website. unfortunate I own the DVD so I can't send you a link to the the video and for some strange reason my computer won't let me clip it out.
BTW the show is right up the alley of this site. a bunch of scientists in the middle of nowhere having to build stuff with what they can find.
rs.bmp
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mikedoth in reply to lucekApr 30, 2009. 6:29 PM
I loved that show, but I think they stopped making it.
msw100 in reply to mikedothMar 9, 2010. 11:09 AM
Rough Science it was call I think you can watch all the clips from this guys website it linked to one of the university sites in the UK ,my be the open university.or try this link.
www.creative-science.org.uk/jph.html
lucek in reply to msw100Mar 9, 2010. 11:17 AM
yeah that's why I gave the link to the rough science page on pbs. thanks for your link however.
lucek in reply to mikedothMay 1, 2009. 7:47 PM
yeah no more after season 5. :-(
LinuxH4x0r in reply to lucekFeb 16, 2009. 5:12 PM
Thanks
Kinnikinnick says: Feb 11, 2010. 1:20 PM
Hello!  Thanks for the idea!  Soo many things you can do with a trainset transformer.     

Afew questions... 
1> Are you using the ac or dc output from the transformer?
2> What concerns are there for safety?  (rubber matt to stand on?  don't touch the electrode? ect..?) 
3> Do you think i can use a regular 3/32 e6011 electrode and still get a decent arc?

Thanks again!  I give you stars!
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Uncle Kudzu says: Sep 13, 2009. 4:19 PM
cool! this seems like a potentially cheap and non-threatening way to get an idea of what welding is about. i may have to try this! regarding the pencil "lead" for carbon rod discussion, i'm guessing that the softness/hardness of the graphite might make a difference. hard leads are mixed with fillers like clay to obtain their degree of "hardness". a harder lead leaves less on the paper, where a "softer" lead is more purely carbon/graphite and leaves a darker mark. i'm guessing that a 6B or 8B might work better for arc purposes than an HB or a 4H, for instance. might be worth a trip to the art supply store for experimenting for those so inclined. anyway, interesting instructable, LinuxH4x0r. thanks for sharing!
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Gerry1948 says: Aug 30, 2009. 9:57 AM
Can alsi be done using your car battery.
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bylerfamily says: Jul 30, 2009. 10:12 AM
How many amps is this?I want to know how many amps it takes to weld 24g metal.(my dad has a roll of the stuff)
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ilikefunnymovies says: Feb 1, 2009. 11:12 AM
would a transormer from a microwave work?
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bylerfamily in reply to ilikefunnymoviesJul 17, 2009. 11:49 AM
Yep,it would work fine.
Xellers in reply to ilikefunnymoviesFeb 22, 2009. 4:49 AM
Not without some serious modifications. If you just plug it in, then you're as good as dead doing this. 2000 volts at 0.5 amps can easily kill. You'll need to rewind the secondary to bring the voltage down to several volts at dozens of amps. While this is less deadly, the high amps can still kill or injure you.
msw100 in reply to XellersMar 9, 2010. 10:57 AM
While this is less deadly !!
I think you have got that the wrong way around Xellers, Its the ampage that kills not the voltage
Xellers in reply to msw100Mar 9, 2010. 4:09 PM
Ummm... yes, current kills, but you need voltage to force it through you. You can't kill yourself with a 3 volt source that can supply 20 amperes, but you can certainly do so with a 500 volt source that can supply 120 milliamperes (note that at maximal current draw, both sources provide the same power). And I believe that I did say "high amps can... kill or injure you." Can you please clarify the point you are attempting to make?
LinuxH4x0r in reply to ilikefunnymoviesFeb 1, 2009. 12:14 PM
It might. Depends on the voltage and amps. Its probably way too powerful
awdark says: Jun 3, 2009. 10:53 PM
What does the carbon rod do? I know they are typically a small point of short where it causes the tab to melt to fuse but just trying to figure out why that's used. I am semi-considering replacing the batteries of a laptop and I know the tabs are arc welded on and its preferred to weld rather than solder to avoid excess heat. The hard part is finding a good power supply for this. I had an Antec that didn't have any protection on the 5v rail, first time I made a wire turn red and melt! I see 85watt, what voltage does the transformer output at?
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to awdarkJun 3, 2009. 11:27 PM
The carbon rod creates the point of heat on the metal. Those batteries are usually spot welded It puts out from 0-16 VAC Good luck! Be sure to keep me posted if it works
matroska says: May 30, 2009. 12:52 PM
Somebody made a similar instructable, it was DIY cold heat soldering. The guy suggested using some strong amperage power supply (like my old dead pc power supplay, rated at 15amp (!) ) some thick wire (obviously; same as here) and, the fun part, the carbon rods were mere thick pencil leads. Pencil leads are actually made mostly of carbon, depending on the brand I guess. Perhaps if dismantling a battery is not possible, one could consider thick pencil leads? I've bought some 0.9mm leads from Steadler, found in any decent art supply store and business supply store.
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to matroskaMay 30, 2009. 10:37 PM
I tried 2mm leads and they didn't heat up enough but .5mm snapped too easily. Computer supplies don't work for this because they shut off if there is too much current drawn
matroska in reply to LinuxH4x0rMay 30, 2009. 11:18 PM
Hey, that's the part where you hack it to remove that emergency cutoff ;P Of course, doing so will probably result in melting the supply at some point, so cooling should be considered.
lucek says: Feb 16, 2009. 8:53 AM
I saw this on rough science. they used it to melt gold.
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to lucekFeb 16, 2009. 10:07 AM
Cool! link?
Rock Soldier says: Jan 12, 2009. 6:07 PM
LinuxFamily'09 I haven't thought of a slogan yet(I'm serious)
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Rock Soldier in reply to Rock SoldierJan 13, 2009. 3:19 PM
LinuxFamily'09
They;ll let you weld metal(but only 24 gauge metal)
not my best slogan, but now you have one
LinuxH4x0r in reply to Rock SoldierJan 13, 2009. 4:28 PM
well, at least at home. I weld real stuff every day!
LinuxH4x0r in reply to Rock SoldierJan 12, 2009. 7:21 PM
Haha!
tell me when you think of one
Rock Soldier in reply to LinuxH4x0rJan 13, 2009. 5:14 AM
Sure thing
mr. natural says: Dec 26, 2008. 9:04 PM
cool...I will be trying this soon! Also need an inexpensive way to weld aluminum.
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to mr. naturalJan 6, 2009. 6:47 PM
Don't forget to help me out by voting if you liked it! Thanks!
mr. natural in reply to LinuxH4x0rJan 11, 2009. 12:20 PM
Well YES, I like it, but have not had the opportunity to attempt it yet. I don't know about this voting thing, as I am new here...
LinuxH4x0r in reply to mr. naturalJan 11, 2009. 4:11 PM
Keep me updated!
NachoMahma in reply to mr. naturalJan 4, 2009. 3:04 PM
. Welding Al requires an inert gas blanket and you will probably need a filler rod.
LinuxH4x0r in reply to mr. naturalDec 27, 2008. 10:50 AM
This does sort of work with thin aluminum. Just make sure your transformer is powerful enough and that it has some sort of thermal shut off so it doesn't melt. Post pictures of the results Thanks!
macintosh11235 says: Jan 7, 2009. 6:40 PM
get some welding goggles if you're gonna be doing this often, the uv and infa red light can really screw up your eyes over a long period of time.
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to macintosh11235Jan 7, 2009. 6:45 PM
I do arc and plasma, and I know that this is fine with shaded safety glasses. Some oxy goggles might be good, but they might also be too dark to work with. My welding teacher has glasses that block UV but are a much lighter yellow, which would probably be ideal.

if you like it I'd really appreciate a vote
emergencydpt.com says: Dec 4, 2008. 9:56 PM
I remember when Spock used this method to get him and Kirk out of jail on the Nazi planet. You copycat! LOL. just kidding. Good work!
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to emergencydpt.comDec 5, 2008. 6:08 AM
Really? I never saw that. I only remember MacGuyver with the penny Thanks!
emergencydpt.com in reply to LinuxH4x0rDec 5, 2008. 11:02 AM
Spock was the original MacGuyver! You should know that. "Mr. Lawrence, your agonizer please." Ha ha ha.
emergencydpt.com in reply to emergencydpt.comDec 5, 2008. 11:05 AM
I think Spock actually used a steel band from the bed frame in the cell to make a rudimentary laser with a crystal from his communicator. He lased the light from the lightbulb in the cell to blast the cell door lock. So he wasn't really welding.
LinuxH4x0r in reply to emergencydpt.comJan 6, 2009. 6:50 PM
See thats the thing about MacGuyver is that it actually works. I could go and do that stuff! BTW, don't forget to vote if you liked it! Thanks!
Phil B says: Dec 5, 2008. 5:40 AM
I have a welder and it is amazing how many times I want to weld thinner material rather than thicker items. This could be very useful to someone with occasional needs and a limited budget. An alternative I have used is to braze with a MAPP gas torch. It works with thinner items if the heat does not damage something you want to keep cooler.
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to Phil BJan 6, 2009. 6:49 PM
As a fellow welder reall stuff, not this and ibles member don't forget to vote if you liked it!
LinuxH4x0r in reply to Phil BDec 5, 2008. 6:12 AM
Yeah, its amazing what ~115 amps can to to angle iron. My dad has an old craftsman mapp torch, but he still hasn't used it! This is great for tacking strips of metal to Li-Ion batteries and not having them explode. Thanks
KentsOkay says: Dec 8, 2008. 5:40 AM
Awesome!
*whut can i doez with 24g metal?*
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to KentsOkayDec 8, 2008. 4:07 PM
Thanks! Solder tabs on batteries, weld electronic parts, etc
KentsOkay in reply to LinuxH4x0rDec 9, 2008. 4:38 AM
Ahh...
LinuxH4x0r in reply to KentsOkayDec 9, 2008. 6:44 AM
Anything thin really. Pop cans, soup cans, etc. It all depends on your transformer. Kinda pointless, but better than nothing.
Lego man in reply to LinuxH4x0rDec 9, 2008. 9:32 PM
so its pretty much poor mans soldering? Jk
LinuxH4x0r in reply to Lego manJan 6, 2009. 6:48 PM
Oh yeah, and don't forget to vote if you like it or found it useful! Thanks!
LinuxH4x0r in reply to Lego manDec 10, 2008. 6:12 AM
Yeah pretty much, except its much stronger.
NachoMahma says: Jan 4, 2009. 3:06 PM
. Nice job.
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to NachoMahmaJan 4, 2009. 6:46 PM
Thanks!
NachoMahma in reply to LinuxH4x0rJan 5, 2009. 7:59 PM
. BTW, I really like the pictures. Even the worst one (step 3) is better than a lot that I see around here.
LinuxH4x0r in reply to NachoMahmaJan 5, 2009. 9:03 PM
Thanks! I just got a new camera, so I wasn't used to it like my old one, but I think it does much better. help in the contest?
AnarchistAsian says: Jan 5, 2009. 11:20 AM
woooooo, awesome, hey, just one thing, change thinker to thicker in the first step... voted, fav'ed, and 5-stared, this is nice...
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to AnarchistAsianJan 5, 2009. 4:58 PM
Thanks!!!
AnarchistAsian in reply to LinuxH4x0rJan 5, 2009. 6:45 PM
wooooooo!!! i made a difference!!!!!!!! yes, now i can feel important...
LinuxH4x0r in reply to AnarchistAsianJan 5, 2009. 6:52 PM
haha! thanks again!
AnarchistAsian in reply to LinuxH4x0rJan 5, 2009. 8:11 PM
yeah, i'll try this sometime...
Gjdj3 says: Jan 4, 2009. 12:42 PM
Nice! I can't believe I missed this instructable before. I guess your shameless plugging worked out. You've got my vote!
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to Gjdj3Jan 4, 2009. 1:33 PM
Thanks!
caitlinsdad says: Dec 7, 2008. 6:06 PM
I guess you should specify an insulated handle pair of pliers. You know some geniuses only have a pair of slipjoint pliers or maybe that vise-grip to work with. I'd also hook that up with a piece of insulated wire to the power pack. Or does it only short out at the carbon rod tip?

I've never welded but probably a good idea to do this outdoors or an open garage/shed to dissipate any fumes that are produced.
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LinuxH4x0r in reply to caitlinsdadDec 7, 2008. 7:00 PM
Actually it doesn't matter. Its just a 16V 85w transformer, not enough to shock you. It has a thermal shut off and hasn't tripped anything yet. It only shorts and produces a minute arc at the tip where the rod touches the metal. I think I might have mentioned that. This thing isn't smoky after a while, but with a brand new rod it will smoke for the first couple times.
caitlinsdad in reply to caitlinsdadDec 7, 2008. 6:08 PM
and does this trip the house circuit breaker at any time?
LinuxH4x0r in reply to caitlinsdadDec 7, 2008. 6:42 PM
no
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