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Giant Fresnel Lens Deathray: An Experiment in Optics

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Update: at the suggestion of foobaz utne, I flipped the Fresnel lens around so the ridges are facing the sun, and found a dramatic increase in lens performance. The secondary lens still isn't working right, but I was able to upgrade from melting zinc pennies to liquefying solid copper ones and destroying nickels!

First Test

Inspired by similar Fresnel experiments floating around the net, I decided to try melting a penny. On winter solstice, I found that a zinc penny melts within a minute when held in the focus. Solid copper pennies (from 1982 or earlier) wouldn't melt, but probably would during summer. Copper's melting point is almost 2000oF compared to Zinc's 790oF. See the first row of images for these tests.



Round 2

With the Fresnel lens oriented correctly, I had another crack at melting those coins. The following video and the second row of images shows my results. MUHAHAHAHA!!!



Note: Copper's melting point is about 2000oF, but Nickel's is 2600o. So it's highly possible that only the copper in the coin (75% copper, 25% nickel) melted, resulting in the mutilated pitted surface.
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Nov 26, 2010. 4:57 PMMike McGill says:
Hi, This is very impressive. I reckon it would make an extremely clean method of melting metal for casting, using a cast iron crucible at the focal point. I remember reading years ago about an experiment in Switzerland, where a hillside was covered with parabolic mirrors controlled and focussed by computer. They burnt a hole through a six inch steel plate in less than a minute.
Dec 28, 2007. 2:20 AMd-sier says:
When you heat copper you make it soft, very useful when you want to shape it (without cracking it). Its used on most metals, the tell-tail of copper is that it changes color when you do it. (If I remember correctly the color change is because you burn away the outer corrosions) if you want to make it hard again you heat it again and then cool it quickly (drop it in cold water). Try hitting it and a un-heated coin with a hammer and you will see the difference ;)
Aug 8, 2009. 7:11 PMaleksei says:
you're talking about work-hardening, right? I just learned that in metal working.
Jul 17, 2009. 10:30 PMNewDLee says:
Also the layer under the charr of a copper sheet is photovoltaic! Home-made solar panels anyone?
May 26, 2009. 8:28 PMjosheeg says:
Hi I know people would be very interested and I would to in this idea if I could know what to expect based on the lumens or what I see on a light gage. How would someone calculate that?
Mar 30, 2008. 12:55 AMdownhere says:
would it work if you put flexible optical fibre at the focal point to enable you to point this super evil device at a moving target, just to make it more sporting?
Dec 27, 2007. 9:48 PMkd1s says:
This gives me an idea. Why not put a coil of copper wire in the path of the focal point and then use steppers to control angle of the fresnel along with rotation of the entire platform. Then circulate cold water through the copper and free heating! Of course at those high temperatures you'd need to have a fairly fast flow. But hell, it'd beat paying $3 or more a gallon for oil.
Feb 4, 2008. 9:34 PMiq_abyss says:
I have a feeling that a variation of this will be implemented on my new house.
Jan 10, 2008. 6:53 PMDeLorean4905 says:
I wonder... if you took a glass rod with both ends cut flat and perpendicular to its direction, and mounted it with one end right at the focal point, would it straighten out the beam? I bet then you could make a movable gun using a complex arrangement of gears and mirrors. bwahahaha
Jan 10, 2008. 7:14 PMDeLorean4905 says:
nevermind, I see you already have the secondary lens to do just that. But does the beam come out in a straight beam?
Jan 11, 2008. 6:09 PMRyan Damm says:
Not exactly straight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_invariant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etendue

This fact of geometry means A) the beam can't be perfectly parallel, like a laser -- when the rays parallel to the optical axis are all collimated, the marginal rays are diverging from the optical axis. When they're all converging... well, the size of the spot they'll produce is limited by the above optical considerations and the F-number of your system.

On the other hand, you could actually see a higher concentration (smaller spot size) in a medium with higher refractive index -- water, or oil, say. So if you want a higher-powered death ray (though one with limited range), put your subject near the focal point while in a high-index medium. (You may lose power to optical absorption, of course.)

Again, I'm not responsible for anything you do with this information -- especially dumb stuff like using a flammable optical medium (like oil, or worse)....
Jan 11, 2008. 10:40 PMDeLorean4905 says:
next time i have a load of free time on my hands.... and a broken tv... i'll have to try this thing. Hey! La Grange! I drove through there today! lol

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