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$70 paint job (color change from silver to black)

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One of the coolest projects I have seen here is the $70 dollar paint job.This method uses Rustoleum as a substitute for expensive car paint thats why is so cheap. Who does not want to get a really nice car to be an incredible car just for $70, right? Well also the number one question everybody has in those instructables is…how can I make my car black? Is it hard to change the color of the car? Is it true that paint a black car is harder? And so on. A lot of people imagine how good would their car look with a new paint job and some would love to paint their cars a different color especially black, well I decided to take the risk and try it myself. I thought the worse think it can happened it’s that I have to sand it all down and start all over again.
So I decided to take the project in my own hands and hopefully help anybody that decides to take on the project too.
I have always love my car and even with the paint all faded I always saw the potential it had if I could only save enough money to get it a new paint job. Also I always believed that it would look really good on black (and I was right).

 
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rcipriano3 months ago

Why not use single stage enamel paint? Itll last longer and costs about the same.

there is a need for clear coat, thats why cars come painted with it.
use a towel under your hand to see if its smooth. helps with surface tension.
Iam4NUru2 years ago
That blackout looks really nice. What car is it that you were painting in the Instructable?
regg_dogg692 years ago
looks good . and hey that was very helpful info . i was just thinking on how to do this project . i have a 96 sedan . and had been doing a little mods to it . such as shaving the doors and frenchin the antenna . my question is how long would the rusteolum last in this texas heat ? thanks again for tha tips . keep up tha great work . lol
hyperr2 years ago
Looks like a Honda.I've seen worse.
Nelson_Yepez (author)  hyperr2 years ago
Ok
Beautiful Job, I LOVE saving money and working on my own stuff! The problem is not changing the car to black. The problem is that if you have any.....um 'boo boo's' on your cars surface, the black color will make them more easily seen. Sort of like a visual amplifier, if you will!
Achan203 years ago
very nice. im thinking about doing this with my 94 camaro. going from white to yellow. lol. or i may just fix the rough spots in the white paint. who knowes. lol. cool over all. how dark is your window tint by the way?
Styluss3 years ago
Thanks for the props! And thank you even more for including a link to my Instructable. It's always good to see that not only are other people giving this a shot, but that they are making their own twists and tweaks to it. Hell, my write up is based off of the $50 dollar paint job; an an article I saw online on how to do it with the roller. I was so impressed I went to do it myself and the rest is history.
http://www.mtncolors.com/
this is the montana spray can link. take a look around :)
dudes here is my help. 25 years doing bodywork and painting cars.
the paint prep is the killer.
do not sand/strip to bare metal!! good solid paint is best to paint over !
clearcoat peeling like the above pic? you can 320/400 sand it till it stops peeling.
rattle can with primer and cover the areas where the paint is what we call broken. these have to be primed to look good.
sand any chips the same way,scratches as well.
for scratches you can wipe glaze(like bondo but more runny) into it with a razor blade then once dry sand with 180 grit DRY paper. then 320/400 then prime 2-3-4 coats .medium coats no thin not wet and runny.
any bondo will need glaze(as above) to com[pletely cover the bondo. then use primer to cover that completely as well. cover it good, you will likely sand most of it back off.
for prepping the car?(sanding) use comet and a gray scotchbrite pad.
you only need to sand the primer with block and 320/400 grit. the rest use comet. it take the shine off the paint. cleans teh paint for your new paint. and is dirt cheap.scrub it like a dirty sink.rinse it really good and dry it off.
try this for your color--try the montana brand of graffitti artist paints . they have gold is a series of cool colors and white is another range of colors.
these are spray cans and are lacquer paints. very high quality paints too. and very cool colors.
take your time masking it all off. use good 3m tape. and good paper. mask in the shade and paint in the shade. with montana you are always chasing the dry paint edge on each stroke.each paint stroke overlap about 50 percent each sweep across the panel.have a helper shaking cans as you go. 3-4 cans for average car 6 cans for a big old cop car size vehicle. if you live in AZ CA NV FLA etc dont paint outside in teh mid day heat, it will cause problems. 6 or 7 am is good or just about dusk will do as well.
if any of it blows up let it dry a couple days and then sand smooth the bad parts with 400 to 600 grit wet or dry paper(use it wet) and smooth it out and repaint the bad parts.

best of luck !!
cbray20103 years ago
NOBODY PAINT WITHOUT A REAL RESPIRATOR!
I saw this ible long ago. Nice work!
!!!THIS IS FOR ANYONE!!! im 16 and im about to get my first car. its a 1997 cavalier the clear coat is peeling off and the paint is fading so it looks crappy and everyone knows its all about looks these days but i dont wana spend more on a paint job than the car is worth cuz its got 180,000 miles but i do want to redo the paint. do you guys think its worth it? if so i need all tips possible to get me going in the right direction. it's a copperish orange color and im thinking a all black or yellow with black.....ideas?
Thanks
Hi, I love your instructable. I wish I had time and guts to go any further from just fixing the rusty spots on my Marea.

However, as far as the ned result is concerned - you tried some buffing?

It does not look overly shiny, mayne buffing with a polishing paste would be of help?
Nelson_Yepez (author)  TomassozzomaT3 years ago
that is on future plans but i just want to make sure the paint its completely cure before doing so, ill sure be posting some pictures when i do.
Polishing is meant to remove the outer layer of faded paint,your paint is not faded because it's new so you wont find anything better under the layer.... you need to add,not remove.Great instructable! Yhanks.
If their top finish is crap they can buff it up to a higher luster. With lacquer that is how you get a shine on it. And when you buff faded paint you don't buff down to a magical interior glossy layer you do remove the oxidized paint but you also make a new shiny surface in the process as well. If their technique is so poor buffing is their only option to achieving the highest gloss they can. When bad choices are the only choices they become the best choices.
http://paintcarendetailing.com/polishing.html even the first sentence here contradicts you,then again share your wisdom with the fellow that painted his car,not me.
Indeed any wisdom I may impart would be totally lost on the likes of you. Can you even read? For the benefit of those that cannot even be bothered to check out your inane URLS I will quote the first line of the page you refer to:

"Polishing is often a misunderstood and intimidating step in the detailing process. "

To begin with that entire page has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are talking about here. Believe it or not polishing is a very general technique utilized in a variety of disparate tasks.

I will say this about that line though they hit the nail right on the head in the first 5 words when it comes to you.

Now you can be intimidated by my polisher:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/298/buffergw.jpg

That sucker would rip your arm right off while you burned down to bare metal all over your rat ride.
Holy cow you did a great job! I wouldnt buff it though.At least try on a little spot first.I would think that since you got a spray gun a clear coat would be best,there's nothing shinny inside the paint,I mean under the fine layer that makes the outer paint is all you got,nothing better underneath,only more paint,:) so adding is the best bet.Adding clear coat.I love your honesty about the little mistakes you made,you are one cool dude.Good job on your car! It looks great.Thanks for sharing! Dave. PS: Do the wet sanding again(like you said after the paint is really really dry)with 400 before clear coat and you should have that nice wet look after you are done.
Hey if you do the meguiar buffing, post pictures here. I would like to see the difference...
Great job on the paint!
Nelson_Yepez (author)  strayturk3 years ago
yeah for sure ill let you know.. and thanks
use rubbing compound.
crfive_03 years ago
You should take some pictures that aren't under a tree.. It would show off your paintjob better, and it wouldnt look like your hood was so pitted, at least it looks pitted from the leaves subtle reflection
corkey1233 years ago
Hey, I'd like to see how far you made it inside the engine bay with your paint. I'm going to be doing this to my car (better than $3000..) and have been doing tonnes of research, my car is white so it's going to be a challenge. Great instructable!
A $3,000 paint job should include gutting the entire interior and pulling the engine possibly taking out the glass as well! For three grand I'd want them to pull all the glass.

Either that or you're getting ripped off.
$3000 is what I'm being roughly quoted to get the rust fixed, which is the 4 wheel wells/quarter panels (it's a Honda from the 80's...) and a paintjob, which wouldn't involve the engine bay, interior or removing the windows. Just outside. I've done lots of inquiring of what a shop would let me do in terms of grunt prepwork and turns out they wouldn't warranty their work if I had a hand in it, makes sense I guess. I'm halfway through painting the interior right now actually, and sound deadening at the same time, EFFICIENCY!!!1!
White is the easiest color. Nothing hides more than white does. Heck you could have big drips running down the middle of your door panel and they'd hardly show up in white.
Hah, I meant to say that I'm painting the car black, and it's white at the moment. That's where the challenge is :P
You always wanted manly shoulders didn't you? By the time you get done wet sanding you should be well on your way! Two tips, 1 buy 3M wet or dry sanding paper and 2 find out what painters glazing putty is. Both should put you ahead of where you'll be if you don't.

If your car isn't in too bad a shape there is this product called Ting that is a prep surfacer you might want to investigate as well. Ting is like a pro bodyman's secret weapon I shouldn't even be talking about in a forum like this! But it gets into places sandpaper gets ruined going into and keeps your paint from peeling up out of said places too.

Google like this website is just about brain dead on the topic so this is the best I can do:

http://tinyurl.com/4ar5bpe

I have a tub of it the color of the container looks right to me though. But if a car isn't messed up at all you can just Ting it and paint. Even if it is like I said you can Ting areas you can't sand effectively. Stuff like Ting is the difference between a pro job and a backyard hack job.
Nelson_Yepez (author)  corkey1233 years ago
Ohh that sound fun lol,are you changing the color? what color?
like it says on the instructable the best technique that worked for me to paint in difficult parts like the engine bay or the door hinges if you are spraying is to set up the gun like this:
Air pressure:
high ( from 1-10 use 8 or 9)
Air flow:
med ( from 1-10 use 6 or 7)
Paint flow:
low ( from 1-10 use 2-3)
also if you gun has a nob to control the size of the area you are painting the setting in the picture worked the best for me ( check out pictures on step 6)
LinkTGF3 years ago
I have a 1997 Ford Mustang that I am planning on stripping down with a sand blaster I just bought. Once I get it to bare metal, I have Rustoleum Primer (White) and Rustoleum Gloss Regal Red to repaint the car (with a spray gun)

I'm assuming that because I'm stripping it down to bare metal and then primer-ing, it will be much easier to paint.

Any ideas? Would you still recommend 2-6 coats of the color, or do you thing I would need less because of the primer?

BTW, I love the tutorial - it's a great companion to the poor man's paint job =)
You may want to consider NOT sandblasting it. You will have to be very careful if you do. I have a lot of time behind blasters, hitting everything from large steel stock to sheet steel and aluminum (makes aluminum look like a sugar cube..), and i can tell you that you may not get the result you want.

If you blast it i would use as low a pressure as possible, don't hit it straight on, and be a fair distance away from the sheet steel.

The steel of your Mustang is probably only like 19 or 18 gauge thick. Sandblasting eats away and divots the metal, and the pressure it puts on the panel can VERY easily warp and dent it. The rough surface it makes might prove difficult for the primer to fill as well. Structural parts of the car like the undercarriage, door frames, and rocker panels might be able to handle it but personally i wouldn't risk it on them either.

Car panels that are abrasive cleaned are usually MEDIA blasted. There is also soda blasting but that is not very common. Media blasting uses stuff like walnut shells, glass & plastic beads that are not as aggressive as sand.

If you really want bare steel then i would go the mechanical route with a sander and a scotch brite disk or something. Chemical stripping is also an option. You need to make sure your primer can adhere to bare steel as well. If not you will need something along the lines of a self etching primer, epoxy primer. Prep is real important to. Wiping the metal down with something cheap like mineral spirits will help the paint adhere better and remove any oils etc.

And really if your going to go to all this effort should consider a acrylic urethane SS rather than a $70 oil based job. With them i would get a good primer to. Either an epoxy or urethane.
http://www.eastwood.com/ew-ford-candy-apple-red-96-oz.html
http://www.tcpglobal.com/restorationshop/rsp1705.aspx
(check ebay too)
Thanks for the quick reply!

I could definitely try other media to blast with, I'm not tied to sand yet (in fact, I've never done any sand blasting) but I will say that before I do anything on the car, i'm doing months of prep and research work before I even touch the mustang (getting advice, practice, etc) because I like the idea of learning how to do something like this properly and not halfassed.

Before I do anything with the car, I have a fender we pulled off the car (had to replace it cuz we hit a guard rail) and I will be practicing on that to get a feel for all the tools, to see if it's possible to sandblast correctly and to see how the paint looks before I commit to it on the entire car.

Will be stripping to metal, priming, sanding, removing dust with tack cloth, and spraying the base coat - any suggestions on that chain of events? I'm assuming because I'm not using a self etching primer that I'd have to sand the primer to give the paint a surface to adhere to? Or am I over thinking this?

Why should I go with an acrylic paint instead? Will it last longer, or have a better shine, or is that really more in the clearcoat than the type of paint I use? I appreciate any info on the actual paint and the process of painting =)

I will check out the auto paints as well - honestly, the cost of getting that wouldn't break the bank much - I didn't spend much on tools (I already have a33 gal craftsman compressor, got a 120 gal sandblaster for practically free from a garage sale down the street (the guy who sold it to me restores cars) and bought a new nozzle set for it (12 bucks) and just got the spray guns (HVLP) for 50 bucks.
pfred2 LinkTGF3 years ago
Ah so you know about nozzles now do you? Rustoleum is too viscous to pass through a fine enough nozzle to achieve a very glossy finish. As in you can never get the gunk to atomize enough. And thinning Rustoleum down isn't really a viable option either no matter what the idiots on this site will have you believe! Read the can for crying out loud. You cannot add more than 10% thinner by volume to Rustoleum or you defeat its chemical properties. The stuff just curls and peels up like autumn leaves.

Want your car to come out great? Of course you do. Go with the Dupont ChromaSystem base coat clear coat on a PPG primer base. Simply the best.

DO NOT STRIP THE CAR DOWN TO BARE METAL! That is such a bad idea for so many reasons. I can't teach you how to paint a car in this little comment but I can tell you how to do final prep. Wash the car with a detergent, I use dishwashing soap, and rinse it, dry it, then go over the whole car with clean lint free cotton rags soaked in lacquer thinner. Blow dry with compressed air. Best is to use your spray gun empty with the pressure cranked way up. It'll blow out liquids that are better to clean up now than when you are painting.

HVLP is a myth designed to mollify the EPA. If you want the shine bang that pressure up! Oh and when you're painting run 2 20" box fans drawing the spray cloud off the car. It'll cut down on overspray. There is so much to painting a car right. Nothing on this site to help you though.

I mean even the angle of the light you paint in is critical. So much ...
Taking the car down to bare metal is not a bad idea, not sure why you think that. It is the only way to ensure that all the layers of paint are properly done and bonded. A paint job is only as good as whats under it. Plus taking it down to bare metal is the only way to remove previously done (especially poorly done) body work and patch repair. My one Jeep was previously wrecked and the body work was very half-assed. It would not have been a great idea to spray over paint that the wind was practically chipping off, even with the 10 coats of clear the guy hit it with.

Taking down to bare metal may not be his best option, I would judge that on a car to car basis on whether or not that would be worth the time, but still if you want the best result, it is a thing to consider. It is a lot of work and is usually the kind of treatment a restoration or show car would get.. (I would be hesitant to sandblast though.)

And HVLP is not a myth, it refers to the ratio of paint applied to the substrate. Generally 2/3s on, and the rest in the air.. the point being it gets more on what your spraying and less in the air.
Disregard the comment about acrylic urethane SS - I see now that it' combines the color and the shine in one pass and doesn't need sanding.

what do you recommend?
Nelson_Yepez (author)  LinkTGF3 years ago
WOW, i wish i has a sand blaster when i did this you should get a nice finish and save a lot of time. As far as the coats there is no really a way to tell until you star painting but a rule of thumb is always to have the primer as close to the color of the paint so you should considering pouring a little of the red paint in the primer.
Good luck and just remember to be patient when painting waiting between coats to dry was the hardest for me. Hope you can post some pictures.
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