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Ghostly Green Fire Using a Household Chemical!

video Ghostly Green Fire Using a Household Chemical!
Coloring fire using borax! Cool, easy and fun at home experiment!

Quick, Fun and Cheap!!

Ratios are not Crucial, I would say 2:1 Methanol to borax...

Now the Methanol can be purchased at most Auto store or local stores with an Auto section sold under the name of "HEET" it is made for us as a water remover from gas tanks, and is widely available. Make sure you buy the Yellow one and Not the Red one, Yellow is Methanol while the Red is nothing more then isopropyl (Rubbing Alcohol) which will not work because the borax can not displace into the solution properly to produce the green flame effect.

Other then that it's about a simple as mixing it up and lighting, though I do go a little more into detail in the video above, hope you enjoy!
 
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tmakula6 months ago
Dear mr troll face haha! Thank you for your video it was the most fun I had in a long time. I actually done it and it's very cool! I was wondering how would you make any type of gas eg propain go green? How would you mix it with borax? Ta
TrollFaceTheMan (author)  tmakula6 months ago

I'm glad to hear that, and thanks for taking the time to write back. Now first off, Borax is not actually what makes the fire Green, Borax is actually Sodium Borate, which by itself will burn an Orange-ish color...

But when you mix it with Methanol what happens is the Borate (Which Burns Green) Dissolves into the Methanol, while the Sodium (Which Burns An Overpowering Orange) does not dissolve, and thereby When the Methonal Burns, the Borates Burn making a notable Green Flame...

Borax by itself though will not burn Green though... But their is hope...

If you wanted to color a Gas Like propane, you could use something like "Cupric Sulfate Pentahydrate" which burns Green by itself... All you would have to do with it is...

If you have your Gas coming out of Lets say a Bunsen Burner, find a way to have a little bit of the Cupric Sulfate Pentahydrate sitting at the base of the flame... Maybe on something like a Metal Mesh... And hopefully that would be sufficiate to give you a nice Green Colored Fire...

Hopefully this was at least a little help :D

Yes actually it was! A little of topic ... How would I make the cupric sulfate fitinto one of these gas tanks? Like... Can it be broken down into sand-like pieces and mix with the gas itself before it has been actually bottled? I am not even sure how gas tanks are actually "tanked". Sorry if it's a silly question haha thanks.
kymyst9 months ago

Your videos would be better if you spoke more clearly and slowly, I could not hear all of the words properly. I would suggest that you add some text instructions in addition to the video. Also it is either methanol OR methyl alcohol, not methanol alcohol.

TrollFaceTheMan (author)  kymyst9 months ago

Sorry In a hurry I had Over looked something that you had mentioned in your above comment... "Also it is either methanol OR methyl alcohol, not methanol alcohol..."

You do know that those are the same exact thing right..?

Yes I know that they are the same. The point I was making was that you keep saying " methanol alcohol " which is not its correct name, you should use either of the two correct names methyl alcohol OR methanol.

TrollFaceTheMan (author)  kymyst9 months ago

Methanol is an alcohol, thereby it can be called as such... Methanol=Substance, Alcohol=Category...

It's like me saying Hydrogen Gas... We know it is already gas yet we say Hydrogen "Gas..?" instead of just simply "Hydrogen..."

Is it wrong..? No, it is just a different way of saying it... If you type into Google "Methanol a" you'll find that the 1st suggested search is "Methanol Alcohol..."

Along with the 3rd one down being "Methanol Antidote" which is rather humorous...

I simply say Methanol Alcohol out of preference, it is not incorrect as you state... But thanks anyways for your concern...

I was only trying to point you towards the standard nomenclature used by organic chemists worldwide and specified by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry. In 45 years as an organic chemist I have never heard anyone call it " methanol alcohol " before. The term is redundant because the ending -ol already means it is an alcohol. If you think Google search is a more authoritative source than the IUPAC, then by all means use their terminology. But that doesn't make it correct.

TrollFaceTheMan (author)  kymyst9 months ago

I can respect the fact that you are a chemist but I have extensively searched and could find absolutely nothing, stating that you can not say Methanol Alcohol... Even when looking it up via "International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry" do you have a specific article that I can view..?

As for it being redundant... Like what I said do is Saying Hydrogen 'Gas' but we still do it...

Now as for "ol" being the meaning of Alcohol... What about the word Alcohol itself..? It ends in "ol" does that imply it means Alcohol 'Alcohol..?'

But also here are some other non Alcohol related words that end in "ol":

Plasmasol, Albuterol, Dicumarol, Mestranol, Plastisol, Carbachol, Estradiol, Viosteral, Carvacrol, Aerosol, Organosol, Atenolol, Cyclitol, Flavonol, Hypergol, Mannitol, Naphtho, Protocol, Sorbitol, Hydrosol, Espanol, Benzol, Symbol, Mongol, Patrol, Pistol, Idol And Viol to name just a few...

I'm not trying to saying that isn't what it means in Methanol, but it also isn't universal Law so I wouldn't hang on that to much actully as a matter of fact...

"Ol" is the sign of a active hydroxyl (-OH) group and all
are not alcohols. Fumed silica is one example. It is a large structure
of SiO2 molecules with hydroxyl groups on the surface.

(http://books.google.com/books?id=oohW3XbYWlYC&pg=PA5321&lpg=PA5321&dq=fumed+silica+hydroxyl&source=bl&ots=XxjC0mZ4wo&sig=9hrdDfzRxze2htuOFmkxE8k-xgQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OIoWU6f-G9H6kQe9uYH4Bw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=fumed%20silica%20hydroxyl&f=false)

So In this case 'ol' is a proper abbreviation, however in is Non-Alcoholic... Disproving the asumption...

TrollFaceTheMan (author)  TrollFaceTheMan9 months ago

*Viosterol, Naphthol*

Look at the IUPAC article in wikipedia under alcohols, the examples given include ethanol / ethyl alcohol and propan-1-ol / n-propyl alcohol. The IUPAC rules do not include names like " methanol alcohol ".

Your list includes a number of words that are not names of chemicals and are therefore irrelevant. The chemical names in the list ending in -ol do contain hydroxyl groups and that is why they have the -ol ending.


TrollFaceTheMan (author)  kymyst9 months ago

"The chemical names in the list ending in -ol do contain hydroxyl groups and that is why they have the -ol ending."

My point exactly "ol" means hydroxyl groups... Not alcohols... So the "ol" on the end of Methanol does not mean "Alcohol" as you claim, it means an "Hydoxyl..." Which all are not Alcohols... Thereby "ol" does not equal alcohol...

Just because a square is a rectangle does not mean a rectangle is a square... Same rule applies here, all alcohols are Hydoxyls but not all Hydroxyls are alcohols... And "ol" does NOT mean Alcohol... As you had assumed, it means hydroxyl which is completly different... Actually you even state that fact yourself...

"-ol do contain hydroxyl groups and that is why they have the -ol ending..."

TrollFaceTheMan (author)  TrollFaceTheMan9 months ago
TrollFaceTheMan (author)  kymyst9 months ago
Thanks for the feedback, will fix spelling when I have the chance... As for speaking I have been trying to speak clearer but I have a bit of a stutter sometimes... Thanks Again