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I was able to find someone who needed rocks removed from their yard. Using rocks or stones is good for two reasons: good drainage and heat storage.
<p>Someone commented that a cement floor should be put in, but as was stated in the directions - City approval is required in most places, to put a structure on a cement floor so he used cinder blocks to put the posts in. I suppose he could have also put some cement into the bottom of the blocks, so wood would not touch ground.<br>As for the lead paint - that was only used on windows of a certain era, correct? Getting windows of a later era should stop that being an issue.<br>I like the up-cycling of the windows, stones, and old greenhouse parts - what an Awesome amount of re-purposing items that others no longer want/need. Talk about &quot;one man's trash is another man's treasure&quot;!!!!</p>
<p>That's what I was thinking. Sink the cinder blocks in the ground a bit, place your 4x4 posts in (square them up) and pour cement into the hole. I think I'll lay ground cover then grab some patio stones that come on sale and use that as a floor. Maybe use 4x4s along the bottom outside edge of the structure as well, be a good, solid base I should think? Then frame away...I'm still trying to figure out what to use for 'glass' as old windows seem to be all the rage now, they're expensive!</p>
<p>yes - as new windows get more expensive, more &amp; more people are turning to recycling companies to get their windows. And if they have an older house these would keep the &quot;flavour&quot; of the older home. Triple paned windows are not only expensive but don't match homes of older eras.<br>I would want to know where the recycling companies exist that don't charge an arm &amp; a leg for old, recycled windows! They're becoming increasingly rare!</p>
<p>to reply only to the foundation part of this convo. My guy poured an 1' wide x 2' deep footing of my footprint and put the future 4x4 post braces in. Done. </p>
<p>and, you are so right about the trash to treasure. My Windows were all donated and boy! did I Dig through peoples barns at their &quot;garbage&quot; and I now I have wonderful,local,vintage windows! </p>
Using old windows can be hazardous, but with care and caution can be sucessfully done. You'd have to test for lead paint on evey window, and then use a proper respirator mask and a protective jumpsuit, remove the lead paint. I would soften it with a heat gun, and scrape away the paint with a painter's putty knife. All the while, this would be done on top of a tarp, laid out flat on the ground. Once all the windows are done, they should be completely re-grouted, primed, and painted with an exterior-grade paint. The woodwork ahould be completely encapsulated by new paint. This should prevent any residual lead from leaching out of the wood. Once everything is done, you can carefully disrobe and unmask, and then bundle them the lead paint chips and the tarp all up together. This will isolate all the lead bits from your yard, until there is a Hazardous Waste pickup in your area. In the meantime, make sure to prompty shower, with reapeated lathering up with soap, to remove any dust from your hair, body, etc.<br><br>It's a tedious undertaking, but it is a great way to preserve old vintage glass from the landfill!
Be VERY careful using heat on lead paint a friend hired &quot;pros&quot; to remove lead and they contaminated her house doing it that way. She had to throw out (not give away) ALL fiber items in her house (hat collection, upholstery, carpets, etc... Insurance covered it but vintage colle tables were ALL lost because of it!
<p>Another example of people watching too much TV and reading too much from companies that make money on your fears. If you expect your young kids to be chewing on your greenhouse, then you have more problems than lead in their diet. If you think the lead oxide in old paint is going to get into your food supply by leaching into your starter plants, think about how the &quot;Greatest Generation&quot; survived whole house coatings during their whole lives.</p>
My house has asbestos exterior shingles. And asbestos insulation wrapped around the steam heating pipes. My grandfather built it, no deaths from cancer yet. Everytime i work on the house i expect to see the national guard sealing off the area. He is drilling a hole through the siding, run!<br>Lead paint was hazardous because it would chip and kids would eat it. So, you are correct. Unless your kids eat your greenhouse, you will be fine. Or, just paint it and seal in the lead
<p>Asbestos is extremely dangerous if you handle it. Left alone inside walls or on the exterior is ok as long as you don't drill a hole and release the fibers into the air where they will be breathed in by you or your family. To suggest that it is safe to handle it is little irresponsible as someone on here may read your post and attempt to do so.</p>
<p>Again; waving at the windmills.</p><p>There are several types of asbestos and not a few floating fibers of the worst kind are a reason to panic. People who worked for years in the mines were at risk. People who worked for years in the manufacturing industry were at risk. People who dig into a bit of ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIAL are not at risk. Stop and think! Since asbestos was used in nearly every home built following WWII, how are there so many of us still alive to be a threat to Social Security? Not enough? Consider the tons of asbestos that was actually ground to dust fibers and exposed to the air in the hundreds of millions of brake linings since 1950. </p><p>The 1986 ruling of the EPA was overturned due to its knee jerk nature. The fallout from those horror stories continue today; but to what end.</p><p>Now, if we could only outlaw latex and peanut butter.</p>
<p>My office building was found to have asbestos &quot;pegboard&quot; as a cover for the ventilation ducts. It was painted maybe a dozen times over the years. An initial air quality evaluation gave a reading of 1.3 (in whatever units; we were not told). Total evacuation for two weeks by an army in hazmat suits gave us an all clear. The same air quality evaluation started at 10 and didn't go below 2 for ten years. The EPA told us that we were in a normal range.</p>
<p>yo! Folks, i am replying here to agree with this poster and to address the use of old windows. </p><p>I am the real deal. Look at my photos. Someone built my dream house, but, I'm a 57 yr old chick and I'm framing in each window myself, one window at a time. (He put in the fan, vents, roof), Yes, I suppose there is lead paint. I could care less. I am putting a straight bead of silicone everywhere I can. It's to ward off the wet. I live in Washington State. The windows that I am making open, will of course be drafty, and thats okay, free airflow. The plastic is doing great. I had to restaple one of the two upper triangles on the West side, the East teiangle of plastic is under the front porch roof, so it weathered the storms well, as did the sides.The &quot;wrap&quot; could go for a 3rd season easily and might have to if I can't get finished with the windows!</p><p>I'd be glad to answer questions. Fire away. I am in year 2 and it's a fertile place!</p><p>Peace my friends!</p>
<p>Could not agree with you more!</p><p>Really. </p>
I would have just put on a mask and gloves and shook everything out, outside. But, i have a house with asbestos siding, so i guess i am a daredevil.
<p>Excellent example of reuse. </p><p>And with your greenhouse you can start your spring seedlings much earlier in the year. </p><p>While it's too small for even a dwarf citrus in a pot, you could keep tomatoes going for quite some time in there. </p>
<p>exactly what is going on over here! I really dig having a greenhouse. We have already had full chock full of goodies out of there already and it's still raining every week and stormy! (Washington State)</p>
<p>I really want a green house but wood frame houses are not the norm here in the desert. I've saved a bunch of windows but they have metal frames. The question is how to put them together? Anyone made a green house with windows like that?</p>
<p>Hi, I am going to use some metal framed windows in my greenhouse.If you look at the photos I have posted in this thread zoom in on how I put them in. I'm doing the metal ones the same way. A 1&quot; wood stop that I nailer gunned around, runs all the way around each window, you can see the inside ones, but know that I did it on both sides of the window. I am going to 1&quot; wood frame the metal ones the same way. Just as if they were a wooden window. I have not had to nail or screw into a wooden window frame yet, so I figure the metal frame makes no matter.</p><p>Good luck, just go for it! </p><p>Peace</p>
<p>Occurs to me--&gt; Do you really need to seal the cracks if you always want to keep some air flowing? Perhaps without sealant you get close to the airflow necessary? To get air flow out you can have a centrifugal fan blowing IN which distributes the air out the cracks?</p>
<p>The primary purpose of a greenhouse is to modify the ambient temperature to benefit your plants. </p><p>The &quot;greenhouse effect&quot; is to allow visible light to enter the structure and warm the interior surfaces. They, in turn, will radiate light in the IR due to that surface being so much cooler than the sun. Window glass allows visible light (that's a good thing) to pass; but it blocks IR. That traps heat in the enclosure and makes it warmer for your plants.</p><p>This is all good for those cool days, but can cook things on a warm sunny day. THAT is why there needs to be a way to vent the hot air. Ideally, you can have an automatic opening (at some cost) or you can be diligent in doing it yourself. In my experience, I will forget to open or close the vent at some time during the season and lose some plants. Watering falls under the same category. So all the auto features are great but add to the cost. </p>
While I agree with the statements you're making, as they're generally correct, I don't see how that is a response? <br><br><br>I did indicate airflow. I'm just saying that what is the point of *sealing* your greenhouse windows, and then proceeding to make a hole for ventilation. Why not just ventilate using the holes that exist and positive airflow?<br><br>Granted, I think the answer is obvious, that my suggestion is much harder to control and requires slightly stronger fans. Still, it seems worth asking if anyone has tried that. Especially if it makes eventual greenhouse disassembly and reconstruction much easier.
<p>I think the point in the original post was to re-glaze the windows to hold the glass in place and to avoid cold air getting in. It is not necessary to provide air flow through the structure. Venting is important when it gets too hot. In that case, convection is enough and does not require a fan.</p>
<p>Awesome! We have thought about building a greenhouse from windows in our backyard, this is great inspiration to actually do it. </p>
Look my good friends by the time you see the GROUND TERMITES it will be too late. So treat the wood and avoid ruining your project.
What would you treat the windows with
Our windows are made with aluminum frame. If yours are made with wood, do not let them touch the soil. Note termites also invade concrete blocks and travel all over the house walls. So be ready to spray your green house with termite poison.
<p>Especially in the South East of USA. Termites love us here.</p>
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<p>I love this one! The one above with the windows seems too strenuous for me, {arthritis}. I can easily have someone make this, thanks for sharing it. One question though please. Michigan Dave states that he's seen &quot;changes over time&quot;. Am I missing something or are there more pictures somewhere that I've not seen? </p>
<p>looks great. Mainly plastic walls it seems. Does that last long? I get the impression that after 1 or 2 seasons it is already brittle and the wind may tear it apart. Looks great though and probably not too expensive to replace the plastic</p>
There are no plans. Sorry, Liz. I made it up and a local contractor built it. Just go for it. <br>Diy_bloke, the plastic needed to be stapled back in a few places from winter storms. It looks like it will make it another year, easily. It is not yellowed or brittle...yet.<br>I am slowly putting in windows all around. There will also be plexiglass and plywood panels. The plan is to have no plastic.<br>Thanks everyone! <br>Trying to post pics of the windows that are in...stay tuned.<br>Most importantly...food is abundant already!
<p>Nice. Love the sitting area in the front. Are there plans out there? </p>
<p>This is a great 'ibble. Showing the changes over time makes this far more instructional to me. Therefore a BIG thanks for sharing with us all.</p>
<p>I was wondering if it would be beneficial to have a small stone foundation, maybe if only a row of briks for the wood to rest on, just to get it off the ground. (yeah I know, a bit late for you as yours is already up :-) )</p>
<p>Looks great</p>
<p>in cold areas, heat in the colder seasons would be very expensive. so an insulated unit would be needed if you start bedding plants in febuary. I saw clear bubble wrap at lowes that was two feet wide, which might make a cheap insulating material. also if you can put the unit three feet in the ground and then concentrate on a slanted roof like older heat boxes that people used. any type of heavy plastc with a small fan blowing air could insulate if it was sealed right.</p>
Fascinating evolution... Thanks for sharing (I have tons of Huge windows I've been saving!
It looks very good except for one item. You must use treated wood. And post that touches the ground need extra protection.
<p>&quot;You must use treated wood.&quot;</p><p> Perhaps you meant;:</p><p>&quot;You might use treated wood?&quot;</p>
<p>some treated wood is </p><p>carcinogenic</p>
<p>I assume he did use pressure treated posts but pressure treated lumber changes shape too much as it dries out; using it for the framing would crack the windows. </p><p>The alternative for the base and posts would be to rest it on the cinder block footers, much like houses and log cabins..</p>
<p>I made a half brick greenhouse five years ago using brick's left over from a building project my cousin had undertaken. For the window and door frames I used 3 x 3 pressure treated fence post's that I rebated to take the scratched and flawed pains of glass I got cheap from a local glazier. Oh, and a second hand half glass door. No cracked pains so far, in-spite of our very British weather.</p>
<p>I was going to do something like this, but when tested quite a few of the old windows I had access to had been painted with lead-based paint, and I obviously didn't want that in my vegetable garden. <br>Trying to safely remove flaking old, lead-based paint is actually quite hazardous, not something I would undertake (especially since I was hoping to get pregnant at the time, and regularly had small children in my yard.)<br><br>It even turned out one small section of yard was contaminated from a previous owner just dumping old materials when some repairs were made, but we were able to scape up the bad soil and replace it with better topsoil.</p>
<p>Fantastic, well done to you. You have given it a go and what a success it is.</p>
<p>Brilliant and admirable, both your greenhouse and your fantastic ible - Truly, you are a Master Maker!</p>
<p>I want a tiny greenhouse soooo badly and I am very envious of yours, but I can't convince my better half. If it involves real work, he is averse to the idea. He would rather drag my tropicals inside the house each fall.</p><p>I truly admire people who carry through with a worthwhile project.</p>
<p>ahh sweet man, I wanted to do this about 6 years ago when a neighbour updated all their windows. the kids were still so small and so demanding, Never had the time to do it as was always exhausted and my wife got sick of staring at the pile of old windows so I had to ditch them, such a shame, anyway nice to see another great mind think alike! Someone actually did make it! Well Done!</p>
My dad did this using some old steel framed windows from a school renovation. He purchased the windows atban auction for $25 and then welded them together to form the walls. He used thin steel framing from some old school lockers also purchased at the auction to hold it all together. For the roof he used corrugated tinted plastic. He used the steel framingbto build shelves inside for potted plants and such. He also put a cheap oil burning heater that used old motor oil for energy source to protect the plants in the event of a sever weather event that occasionally happens in early spring and fall.

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