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HHO is the gas resulting from electrolysis of water. Two H's and an O when seperated are very flamable. On top of being abundant it is cheap and cleaner burning than gasoline. Operating on purley HHO requires lots of modifications to a car but suplementing your gasoline with HHO requires little. There are a million sites out there on HHO car conversion kits. All of them are building plans for anywhere between 50 to 500 dollars. It seems odd that there is no instructable on it. So here, for free, is my attempt at making one. The text at the top is my first try and the text under the "-" line is my second try.
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Signing UpStep 1Tools and Materials
This page ended up changing through the process and can vary depending on how you choose to improve upon the design I used.
Tools:
knife or strippers
soddering iron(not essential but saves time)
screw driver
voltage tester(depends)
*drill
*#7 bit
*1/4" tap
*may change depending on the electrode you use and how you connect it to the wire
Materials:(Keep in mind all the materials I used are "borrowed" from work or I had around the house so they won't be the most effective solutions. Be creative with what you use)
Plastic container (I used a grape juice bottle)
High temperature silicone sealant <-expensive; regular silicone sealant MAY work
Wire (I used some left over wire from the amp that went in my wife's car, 14awg)
Teflon tape
Plastic tubing (I had to siphon gas once to change the fuel pump and had this hose from it, not sure why I kept it but I'm glad I did)
salt (for an electrolyte in the water)
Stainless Steel Electrode(update: THIS WILL NOT WORK)
I put this one on bottom because it will have the biggest explination. I am told stainless isn't esential but will not corrode like other metals. I also read that coiled wire would be the best type(i.e. pipe, plate, wire).Platinum would be your number 1 choice but who can afford that? I used some pipe I found at work.
-updates-
-I ended up using the graphite from 2 pencils as my electrodes
Tools:
knife or strippers
soddering iron(not essential but saves time)
screw driver
voltage tester(depends)
*drill
*#7 bit
*1/4" tap
*may change depending on the electrode you use and how you connect it to the wire
Materials:(Keep in mind all the materials I used are "borrowed" from work or I had around the house so they won't be the most effective solutions. Be creative with what you use)
Plastic container (I used a grape juice bottle)
High temperature silicone sealant <-expensive; regular silicone sealant MAY work
Wire (I used some left over wire from the amp that went in my wife's car, 14awg)
Teflon tape
Plastic tubing (I had to siphon gas once to change the fuel pump and had this hose from it, not sure why I kept it but I'm glad I did)
salt (for an electrolyte in the water)
Stainless Steel Electrode(update: THIS WILL NOT WORK)
I put this one on bottom because it will have the biggest explination. I am told stainless isn't esential but will not corrode like other metals. I also read that coiled wire would be the best type(i.e. pipe, plate, wire).Platinum would be your number 1 choice but who can afford that? I used some pipe I found at work.
-updates-
-I ended up using the graphite from 2 pencils as my electrodes
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I am in the motorsports business and we used to see lots of kids come in wanting to work on machines...but not anymore. 'Seems they are caught up in front of a television set playing video games instead of being in the back yard taking stuff apart - like many of us once did! I believe God gave us this curiousity for a reason...there ARE new answers to be had but you have to look... I believe it wasn't THAT long ago that Einsteins theory of relativety was proven wrong..things CAN move faster than the speed of light..so things DO change.. nothing on this earth is unchangable - nothing.... some just take more time than others...
carry on-
And yes I can confirm, through university chemistry knowlede as well as my own personal experience that using salt does indeed produce chlorine (which is mildly corrosive to steel) but ot produces exactly half as much chlorine as it does hydrogen... weigh up your pros and cons
I think it's great to experiment, some things cost you money and some things eventually save you money, but the point is to try something different or you'll never find out anything for yourself.
I just wanted to say that having read this far down that Unkleskunky has peaked my interest. Had crybaby put his part of the discussion in such eloquent terms, used quotes, maybe a few links to follow, and overall not played himself off like an old-fashioned forum troll then maybe I would be more willing to look into his side of the argument.
I think this idea is really intriguing even if it is not efficient at the moment. I don't know the exact affects of his setup but I am interested in giving it a try and maybe improving it.
As I understand it electrolysis is better done with lower volts and higher amps. Would it therefore be beneficial to run your alternator output through a transformer and run your voltage down to about 1.5 to 2 volts? Supposedly the chemical reaction requires more than 1.23v to activate the electrolysis. I'm also finding notes that say that more than 1000mA will eat away at your electrodes and, if using one, the proton exchange membrane (PEM) electrolyser. I have to wonder if this is true in all cases of metals for electrodes and what you use for your electrolyser. I used the baking soda electrolysis with a car battery charger trick to remove the rust from a grill and it was quite successful at the 10A @ 12V setting using aluminum foil for my negative and the grill as the positive. It did "eat" away at the foil, but we're talking about aluminum foil and 2 days at 10A @ 12V. What would the affect of 100A @ 1.5V be on say, copper tubing and a salt water electrolysis for example.
"It is easy to visualize that if the cathode and anode surfaces, respectively,
attract H or O atoms too strongly, the surfaces will become completely covered with
these intermediates and the catalytic process stops. On the other hand, if protons or
water are not attracted strongly enough, the process never gets going. Only when
there is a moderate strength of binding of reactants and intermediates at the electrode surfaces will the right balance be obtained. This is the key factor in determining if a solid catalyst will work efficiently. It is also obvious that the larger the catalyst surface area available, the more H2 and O2 will be produced in a given time, i.e., a higher current will flow in the electrolyser."
This is in a situation where a PEM was used to separate distilled water contained on either side and each side having a cathode or an anode.
My thoughts for improving this as a home experiment. A homemade PEM in the container to increase efficiency of separation. Something like a layer of salt brick which would not be the same but may still help increase efficiency. Maybe a way to store the H2 and O2 when at idle or only for using under acceleration. Using more surface area on the electrodes by maybe using a twisted bar or wire or pipe (if installed from below or with a vent at the top so the gases can move upward and escape the pipe). Improved method of inserting the gasses.
I don't think I'm gonna break the laws of physics or make anything amazing like increased HP more than loss due to alternator's use, but I see other potential, like improving the breakdown of hydrocarbons via hydrocracking to reduce my emissions. Reduced emissions is worth a few HP to me. I don't know if this is true tho. I've been reading before I post to see if anyone can tell me whether it is actually improving the breakdown of harmful chemicals or if it is just adding H2 and O2 to the exhaust and creating a higher percentage of safe gasses by simply adding to the volume of gasses in the exhaust.
I.E.; 1 gallon of water with a cup of bleach. Am I adding a product that is reducing the amount of bleach in the gallon of water or am I just adding more water and reducing the bleach's ratio?
Go away and get some lithium.
Here's why:
The method takes mechanical energy from the crankshaft and transmits it to an alternator using a rubber belt. There's a roughly 30% loss of energy to heat via friction in the belt. The alternator dissipates about 40% of the energy as heat that arrives at the alternator armature via bearing friction and eddy current losses in the alternator windings. Okay, now let's take the electrical energy that we get from the alternator and put it into an electrolysis process. The electrolyser will lose fully 50% of the energy introduced into it in the process of converting electrical energy to hydrogen and oxygen. Okay, we finally now have some oxygen and hydrogen- let's burn that as additional fuel in a piston engine. 70% of the energy released by burning fuel in a piston engine is lost as heat.
In fact, "HHO" setups cause a vehicle to burn MORE fuel, not less. No one has ever gotten more energy out of an electromechanical system than is put in.
If you want to amuse yourself by playing with this nonsense, suit yourself. You will get amusement. However, you will NOT get improved fuel economy. Anyone who tells you they have increased fuel economy with this silliness is mistaken, lying or worse, trying to make a buck off your ignorance.
Imagine yourself something at 1900-1903 meeting two brothers Wilbur and Orville Wright who were trying invent an airplaine...I know axactly what you would say: "If you want to amuse yourself by playing with this nonsense, suit yourself...bla bla bla..." All nonsenses or silinessness is everything you can't understand or explain.
Can you invent a perpetual motion machine? NO you can't (so far).
Can you invent a machine with an energy output better than input? YES, you can! Simply you need to "empty you cup" (Bruce Lee) and start getting interested in what's happening "outside the box".
Stan Meyer made a Water Powered Dune Buggy which dissapeared after Stan was poisoned... You can't imagine how many great inventors were silenced in order not to ruin a whole economy (actually in order not to ruin a big money making systems...) Want a peace in the World? simply make an energy free for everybody!
And if you ""HHO" setup cause a vehicle to burn MORE fuel, not less", then you need to get EFIE...
"No one has ever gotten more energy out of an electromechanical system than is put in. " - No one? You mean no one from you yard? from your friends? from your city? No one from the whole world? How do you know that?
Please google: Nicola Tesla, Stan Mayer, Dawe Lawton, John Bedini, energy from the vacuum, radient energy.
Three men in UK achieved to run 5.5 kW pertol-engined electrical generator on only a water.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/
"At the end of the day, it's a matter of" (+2 parts of energy input you are paying for) - (+8 parts of free radient enegy that comes out from the envirnoment) - (-5 parts of mechanical friction/electrical resistance losses) = (+ 5 of energy output). Input doesn't exceed output when losses are subtracted.
Take care, my friends.
Home eletricity is still much cheaper then gasoline....
and if u want to go even cheaper make passive solar colector that will over day dissolve water ,building HHO in tank ,hen compress it and use as fuel like Butan gas....
"using car batery to disolve water in HHO " - What?
You don't appear to understand what is being proposed.
No-one has ever run an engine on water, ever.
"Free energy" doesn't exist. Go learn some high-school level science & try again.
Thanks for playing.
i can read between the lines, and with the shorts you written, it is books and centuries of proven facts, forgotten knowledge, and pride in inventing. and screw what others think, hell they just sit and complain, do not make a impact on anything new or old, and follow. I explore all avenues of anything i create to make better, and 99% of the time, the people you mentioned above, there tech is used.
Thank you for standing up, and doing it with facts.
And you again.. “no-one has ever run an engine on water…”please… push away you laziness and try to read some information without your premature opinion… http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Intro.pdf (from 12 page)
And I did learn “high-school level science”.. did you? It doesn’t teach people yet about “radient” energy, I faced it though when I was projecting an electromobile. My friend successfully proved Stan’s method of making HHO with his final master’s job.
cpreble, I appreciate your competence! It’s everybody’s duty to make our world better for future generations. Sad to say – many people these days care only about themselves..
Good luck
There's two kinds of people who believe this nonsense- suckers and scammers. Which are you?
"When you believe in something - it's a religion, when you know - it's a knowledge..."
Have a happy blind users life...
Your 'religion' one liner is deadly hilarious irony.
"HHO" is a HHOAX.
HHO cultists fail to include losses in the calculations- instead, they make outlandish, pseudoscientific excuses as to why they don't exist. The most common (and hilarious) is that hydrogen has a catalytic effect that increases the energy output or combustion efficiency of petrol. Hydrogen is not a catalyst for anything.
Only if a "HHO" system returns more energy to the crankshaft than it takes from it (in other words, more than 100% efficiency, also known as 'over unity gain') can it improve fuel economy.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics laughs at HHOaxers. If "HHO" toys worked to improve fuel efficiency, perpetual motion machines would work, too (and in case you're not sure- they don't).
This is that same stuff my uncle used to tell me he owned the patent to.But he was afraid the men in black coats were gonna get him if he every tried to use it.
I always wondered why he had to stop at gas stations.For those of you who are to young to remember,HHO was the first explanation of the car that ran on water.
If you want a real understanding of chemistry don't ask a master mechanic,ask a chemist.the energy you get from burning HHO is the same energy you put into it thru electrolysis.I guess you could see if alternators give off extra power by connecting them directly to a electric motor with a pulley connected to a fanbelt.
Now, my own personal and very much none scientific observations.
I have been interested and very intrigued by this possible use of electrolysis produced HHO gas for a few years now. The facts, as I know them are this:
Hydrogen and oxygen are produced at the electrodes when placed in an electrolyte and a current is applied to each electrode. For this to work you do really need a good electrolyte which could be distilled water with something like salt added to it.
So, these two gases when combined will burn either explosively or at a steady rate depending on how they are fed together and ignited.
Energy will be released from this combustion.
No free energy is being created it is simply being liberated from its locked in form of the electrolyte.
Everything has some form of energy locked into it even water and paper. We don't tend to see this energy unless it is liberated in a demonstrably quick manner, paper burns, water becomes very excited when heated and bubbles. It is just energy that is in it already.
So, back to the use of HHO in an ICE.
It would seem to be possible to utilise the HHO gas liberated from the electrolyte in an ICE if it was possible to liberate enough gas. I think it would be too much to ask to be able to create enough of this gas to run the car solely on HHO alone. So, if it is plumbed into the fuel/air mixture as in this 'ible' then maybe it can supplement the petrol vapour. Perhaps the claimed improvement in fuel consumption is genuine and comes about simply because to get to a set speed the driver does not need to push his foot quite so far to the floor. In other words you simply don't need to use as much petrol.
Lastly, the argument about sapping energy from the engine because of a higher output from the alternator. Please can somebody explain why this should be? The alternator is permanently fixed to the crankshaft by a belt drive system. It is always turning when the engine is running. Why would this affect fuel consumption? I do not believe there is any 'significant' magnetic drag from the alternator when it is being asked to supply a higher current supply (perhaps for powering the electrolysis unit as in this 'ible').
I'm not a crank, well, I hope I'm not, but I do see that there are two polarised camps regarding this situation. It's sad to see those two camps arguing and coming to 'blows' in a literative sense on somebody's 'ible'. Please, let's calm down and have some sensible discussion instead.
Take care.
Kevan
In regards to fuel consumption by the alternator.:
I believe I read the comment you may be referring to. The guy was way wrong. The alternator is spun by an drive belt. When the voltage regulator reads less than X volts it allows for more "electricity" to be made.
Disregard any one saying the HHO getting power will reduce fuel. IT IS BOGUS. I have been a master auto mechanic for 20 years.
Here's a thought, i wonder if putting one of those tornado things you see everywhere would help mix up the molecules.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/1802932.html
They increase turbulence in the intake, where engine designers have worked very hard to smooth out airflow!
Sure buddy...
For people who dont know my this works i can explain, it does 2 things
The first, it creates hho, hydrogen and oxygen, both are used, the first thing is, since your adding hydrogen you can burn that instead of gas, so you add less gas but get the same power.
The second thing, is the oxygen, our atmosphere has a roughly 22% oxygen to other crap ratio, whereas the HHO mixture is 33% oxygen to hydrogen, and as physics tell us, more oxygen give us better efficiency
So in total we are, Saviing gas by using hydrogen, and adding more oxygen which, either gives us more power, or more efficiency.
Cheers
It changes your engine's computer so it understands what the change is and boosts efficiency.