Home Brew Hard Cider from Scratch by actsofsubterfuge
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Now that it's fall and the apples are ripe in my neck of the woods (New Hampshire), I thought I'd share a recipe for home brew hard cider. It's a very simple first-time home brew and it's very rewarding. I've never liked the taste of beer or any other alcohol for that matter, but a good cider is hard not to like.

Firstly, this Instructable will explain the process for producing all natural, organic, 100% hand made hard cider, an alcoholic beverage made through fermentation of apple cider.

This is for instructional and educational purposes only and should not be attempted by anyone under the age of 21. State laws may prohibit home brewing in your are. Brewing cider involves the use of active yeast culture, which may cause some food allergies and, as always when home brewing, there is always the possibility of contamination. Sterilize all containers and tools and use only fresh ingredients. And always drink responsibly.

Now that that's out of the way, let me explain the basic process. First you get a lot of apples and juice them/press them, etc. or buy a lot of apple cider (this recipe is for 1 gallon of cider). There are two basic methods after you've procured fresh, unpasteurized apple cider:
1. Put the apple cider into a container with a vapor lock and let the wild yeast that occurs naturally in apples ferment the juice into booze. (This takes a very long time and yields unpredictable results, but if you want simplicity, it doesn't get much easier than this. My instructable will deal mostly with option 2)
2. Pasteurize the apple cider with heat or Campden Tablets and then add brewers yeast (champagne yeast works well) with yeast nutrient and put it in a container with a vapor lock (takes less time to ferment and will yield a more stable cider)

In addition, just to clarify, there are 3 primary apple beverages that will be discussed here (not including applejack or apple brandy)

Apple cider - Unfiltered apple juice that contains oxidized pulp, resulting in brown coloration. Comes in many pasteurized and unpasteurized varieties.
Hard Cider (Or just Cider) - Alcoholic beverage fermented with yeast from Apple Cider
Apple Juice - In this country, Apple juice refers to ultra-filtered apple-cider that has been watered down and supplemented with other sweeteners (Such as Motts, Juicy Juice, etc.)

Terminology varies from place to place, which is why it is important to specify.
 
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Step 1: Ingredients and materials

Ingredients:

Apples (about 20 lbs, preferably of several varieties)
Champagne yeast (from a homebrew market or online shop)
Yeast nutrient (homebrew shop)
Campden tablets (optional)
1 cup Brown sugar
1 cup White sugar

Tools:

-Juicer or apple press (if you don't have either, just buy fresh cider from a local orchard)
-Glass Carboy/fermentation tank (I used a 1 gallon jug of Chianti left over from a party)
-Vapor lock (You can use a length of tubing and a cup with water, but I recommend just picking up the real thing for 1.25)
-Rubber stopper to fit your jug
-Bleach
-Funnel
-A large stock pot
-rubber hose


GxB says: Jan 3, 2013. 4:48 AM
Apple Jack! And a correction to my previous post(checked my notes). For the 2- 5 gal. batches of hard cider made from the Mac's we used 3 lbs. of brown sugar. In the 5 gal. batch of cider made from Jonathans we used 2 lbs.
We racked all of it a week and a half before Christmas and added Super Kleer KC clarifying agent. The cider clarified very well to a beautiful amber. The Jonathan batch ended up at 7.5% ABV and the Mac batches at 11.75%. We bottled and labeled the Jonathan batch for Christmas presents.

Last night the temperature dropped to -8 so we decided to try making apple jack from 2 gallons of the 11.75% batch. We set it outside in a stainless steel kettle. This morning I skimmed off the ice and the volume was reduced to 1 gallon. I didn't do an SG check, but I assume the ABV is now around 24%. The taste is excellent. You can tell it has a high alcohol content, but it is very smooth, but I also enjoy good bourbon and single malt scotch, so it might not be to everyone's liking. Just another thing to try if you live in a cold climate (or have a freezer). Apparently apple jack was common in the north country during colonial times!
Doopus says: Dec 3, 2012. 3:09 PM
I used these instructions for my batch of cider (2 1-gallon jugs) with these exceptions: Used organic apple juice (no preservatives) and a Nottingham beer yeast. I'm trying to get more of a sweet, beery cider than a high ABV apple champagne. My beer-brewing buddy suggested "crashing" (refrigerating the brew to stop the fermentation) after about a week, then racking it for another week before bottling/aging. Any comments?
GxB says: Nov 29, 2012. 7:23 AM
This is our second season of hard cider making. Last year's batch went so well we decided to do 3- 5 gallon batches this year. Pressed mostly Mac's this year , but some Jonathan's and Jonamac's. Pasteurized at 150 for 45 minutes. Added 2 lbs.light brown sugar per 5 gal. Used 1 pkg. EC 1118 yeast per 5 gal. Started fermenting at ~65 degrees. Starting SG of 1.085. So far so good.
Fermentation rate was way slower than last year and after 4 weeks had pretty much stopped. Transferred to glass carboys, SG was ~1.030, or ~6.75% ABV. We wanted to end up with dry still cider at an SG of close to 1, so we added 4 tsp. Yeast Nutrient dissolved in boiled water per 5 gal. It kicked the fermentation into high gear and all the carboys have been bubbling away for a week now.
Just wanted to add this comment in case anybody's fermentation stalls halfway through.
GxB says: Nov 29, 2012. 7:27 AM
Correction-just looked at my notes. We used 3 lbs. brown sugar per 5 gal.
1Birdman says: Nov 23, 2012. 10:14 PM
Add a simple syrup based on the volume of cider you have, just prior to bottling. Proportions are available in most wine making/brewing guides.... Make sure the bottles and their caps (swing-top bottles work great for this) can deal with the pressure created from the additional gasses produced from the fermentation taking place after the bottling.
Fluffy Mae says: Jan 12, 2012. 4:24 AM
Ok, this is my 2nd year of home brew cider. Last year's was delish. I did everything the same way this year except I invested in a 5 gallon carboy and brewed it all at once.

This year it is soooo dry and "alcohol" tasting. I used the same champagne yeast both years plus it was the last pressing of the season...the cider was really sweet! I don't get it? I used 5 lbs of sugar for 5 gallons of cider.

We drank 2 of the 5 gallons over the holidays, it was 4 weeks old and had 2 rackings. It yielded a great buzz w/no hangover but we ended up making spritzers with sprite to really enjoy it.

Is there any way to sweeten it up at this point? It's done brewing (needs to racked again!) and ready to bottle. I'd appreciate any help here! Thank you! :)
anonymouse197 says: Oct 26, 2012. 6:31 PM
Hello Fluffy Mae!
I would be interested to know how you did it last year w/o the 5 gallon carboy, since I am struggling to come by such a thing. Did you simply use a smaller volume carboy (something I already have) and adjust the ingredient amounts accordingly whilst keeping the ratio the same, or did you use a different container?
Thanks for your help! :)
Fluffy Mae says: Oct 28, 2012. 7:47 AM
We have a beer/wine making supply store right here in town, so I guess I'm lucky. I just bought the carboy right off the shelf. It was $35.00.

I'm trying to choke down the last of the brew. :( Soooo dry!

As for my process, I did low heat pasteurization for all 5 gallons. Slow and tedious but better than the Camden tablets in my opinion. To the last 2 gallons of hot cider, I dissolved the 5 lbs of sugar. Let it cool, then added the yeast. Topped w/the airlock valve and watched the "party" start. That's it. Rack it every 2 weeks and enjoy.

I'm doing 10lbs of sugar this year. Hope it's better!
bcull says: Apr 13, 2012. 12:40 PM
I have noticed a number of questions regarding how to get sweet cider versus dry cider. Added more refined sugar (white or brown) is NOT the answer. The issue is whether the type of sugar is fermentable or not and refined sugar ferments completely meaning that there will be no sweetness left after the yeast does its work.

You need to add an unfermentable sugar. When making beer we do this by adding adjuncts that contain sugars that yeast can't ferment. Two unfermentable sugars that we beer brewers us are: Maltodextrin and Lactose. Both will be available in extract form from your local homebrew supplier. The latter, Lactose, will provide a light sweet flavour, akin to what you would taste in milk. You'd want to stay in the 10% range (estimated from your specific gravity readings) and experiment from there. Hope this helps.
pecunium says: Oct 10, 2012. 8:25 PM
The other, and easier way; when dealing with something like apple juice, is to have more sugars than your yeast can digest.

Champagne yeast has a very high tolerance for alcohol, but a yeast with a lower tolerance (a lager yeast, or a kolsch yeast, etc) will go dormant well before you run out of sugars.

When using beer/ale yeasts you will need to use a yeast nutrient (like FerMax), because fruit juices (or honey, if you choose to use it as an adjunct sweetener; when using a wine yeast) don't have the potassium and nitrogen needed to make strong cells in the reproductive (known as "lag) phase.
7808 says: Feb 19, 2012. 3:46 PM
how do i make this stuff at least 30-40 proof?
tshedd sr. says: May 31, 2012. 3:42 PM
One easy and legal way to increase the alcohol content to any home made cider or wine is to freeze it. not all of the cider will freeze and what you are able to draw off is mostly a flavored alcohol with a high concentration of what ever sugars are left over after fermentation. What your left with is kind of a poor mans brandy.
55galhard says: Feb 27, 2012. 5:12 AM
You might consider adding grain alcohol to the bottling process, that will put a jump in your step.
waternimf says: Apr 25, 2012. 3:28 AM
Really very interesting article!
55galhard says: Feb 27, 2012. 5:09 AM
I have fermented 55gals of cider in one container- ingredients / 12lbs brown sugar/ 10lbs white sugar/ 96 ozs clove honey/ ( 15 pkg ec 1118 yeast), in the basement at roughly 45 degrees. Started 1/16/2011 done 1/29/2012. beginning pa 15% / ending 2% .( scale 1 to 10) sweetness 4 / dryness 5 / tartness 5 / Alcohol taste 8 / I like the darker flavor with br sugar, I had to add a second batch of yeast to finish it off,( no activity) that's were the other 5 pkg came from out of the 15 pkg. The color is a nice amber, it needs to rest for awhile, I bottled 8gal. on 2/27/2012, This only my second time in a barrel, it's quite a choir moving it. hahaha I would suggest 5 gal. pails, for ease of placement and different recipes if you have the room. I'm a new member, I've enjoyed all the comments of the so many home brewers, keep on bubbling!
swesbur says: Nov 21, 2011. 3:29 PM
Hello there!

I am a first time brewer, and I decided (due to the recommendation of many brewers) to try three micro-batches the first time. Though the suggestion was to use multiple types of apples, we have Haralson trees in our back yard, so I used those for the juice.

After sanitizing the equipment, I filled each of my three gallon carboys with juice from the apples, added 1/2 tsp of pectinase, and a crushed campden tablet, with varying amounts of added sugars (as per other suggestions online).

Question 1: After I added the campden tablets, I covered the carboys (sealed); campden tablets release SO2, which is what kills the microbes. . . was I supposed to not cover them during this step?

For the sugar added, each of my containers were as follows:
A: 1 cup white, 1 cup brown sugar
B: 1 cup white, 1/2 cup brown sugar
C: 1/2 cup white, 1 cup brown sugar

I did not check the pH/gravity of the solutions, as I did not have pH strips, or a hydrometer.

After 2 days, I pitched the yeast (using a Wyeast sweet mead/cider yeast) into each of the 3 containers, after letting it sit for 3 hours (as per instructions) and confirming (by inflation of the bag) that it had been activated.

By the next morning, container C was bubbling at a noticeable rate (about 0.2 hz bubbles), while the other two had no pressure differential (as noticeable per an S airlock). After another day, I pitched additional yeast into both A and B, and waited a day to check them. (at which point C was at about 1 hz bubbles)

A day after the additional pitch, B has started bubbling at a rate of about 0.01 hz (almost unnoticeable) and A has yet to move.

Question 2: What could be causing A or B from taking the cultures?

(A few notes:
I pitched C first from the premade packet, which was made to treat 6 gallons, then B, then A;
though I had shaken the packet of Wyeast yeast, it sat for about 50 seconds before I pitched it;
the packet included nutrient for the yeast;
As I stated before, the S airlocks were in place immediately after the campden tablets were added;
My concerns were mainly that maybe SO2 was still in the environment when I pitched, and that maybe either the yeast or the nutrient in the packet was not evenly distributed through A, B, and C, though an even amount was delivered from the packet to each, due to quick separation (I haven't looked into their relative densities, or anything))

Thank you for your help! ~Steven
Lurch_Chaos says: Feb 18, 2012. 8:20 PM
You will notice you added 1/2 cup extra of the brown sugar to batch A, The higher levels are retarding the yeast form conversion, add a yeast hulls or some other yeast nutrient to give them a better chance.
reginabee says: Feb 16, 2012. 6:14 AM
Hey S, how did your hard cider turn out? I am getting ready to do this and am wondering! Thanks! Maria.
swesbur says: Nov 21, 2011. 3:36 PM
A note: During the original pitch, though I did shake each jug, the locks were still on when I did this. I removed them only momentarily to pitch the yeast, after which point I replaced them. During the second pitch, I removed the airlocks, and shook them for about a minute each.
Satchmoeddie says: Feb 16, 2012. 11:08 PM
I had some of that expensive Martinelli's cider, and added yeast a while back. It sat and sat. I thought it would be spoiled, but it was par with a $1200 bottle of wine a friend smuggled into the USA back in about 1983. I am OK with some high end beer, but think most alcoholic beverages are awful. I got a cap crimper years ago at a Goodwill store when I was trying to brew beer. The cider turned out great. I was unsure if it had done it's thing, was rotten, or good. My dad had died a couple weeks before, and he knew more about what was going on with it than I did. It tasted so sweet, and not much of the alcohol yuckiness was there if any. After about 20 fl oz, I was ready for bed. I did wake rather hung over. I only drink maybe every year, or two. Sometimes I will drink every couple months, but that is the most frequent since about 1995. I guess that makes me a lightweight.LOL. Wilcox Az. grows apples, but they are nothing I would call great. I am in Phoenix Az. I still have my airlock breathers and other brewing stuff. I got about 12% alcohol, and a great tasting beverage. Dad started this small batch. It is sparkling hard cider. Since he is gone I checked this site out. Thanks!
jconway1 says: Apr 13, 2011. 5:08 PM
also... please could someone describe "yeast nutrient" to me... I don't have a "home brew" shop near by and I'm going to have to build a small brewery for this project from scratch, which will also be fun... but I'm trying to cross a lovely crisp Cider with about 3 months brewing... if that's possible... but I think I'm going to have to batch my own nutrients gramme for gramme and use a bread yeast to begin with. Any ideas?
big dog 1829 says: Sep 28, 2011. 1:45 PM
hi
i have been making cider for years until like 3 years ago when they passed this stupid law where it has to be pasturized now. if i wanted apple juice i would buy it in the store.lol. anyway if you can press your apples on your own without having it pasturized you do not need any yeast or yeast nutrients at all. the bacteria in the cider is what makes it work and then the sugars you add turn to alcohol. i add 1 1/2 pounds of sugar per gallon of cider. i use a 14 gallon demilume glass jug so i add 12 gallons of cider then white sugar 12lbs and then brown sugar 6lbs and then a juice concentrate and a couple other ingredients. then place all in my jug put the bubbler on top and let it work. when its done bubbling i bottle it. i tried it with yeast and i didnt care for it at all. it worked way to fast and tasted like crap. so me and my uncle built a homemade press and now the hard cider making resumes. hope this helps.
darrenct83 says: Oct 23, 2011. 8:13 AM
You should try a couple different yeast strains. If you used bread yeast I would be certain it tasted like crap. I use Premier Cuvee wine yeast for a dry cider and US-05 ale yeast for a less dry cider.
doesurfer says: Apr 22, 2011. 9:03 PM
Greetings

I have been brewing cider and wines for a few years (perry, apple cider, peach cider). I strongly suggest that you use a cider yeast if you want to preserve more of an apple flavor. I have used various forms of yeast in the past, and none are as good as cider yeast, especially if you are making cider, not apple wine (i.e. as long as the alcohol content is under 8%). If you are making apple wine, use the champagne yeast or cote de blanc. Stay away from beer yeasts. Moreover, certain yeasts will die and not function once the alcohol content is over a certain level, so NO BREAD YEAST!!!

Wyeast has a great liquid cider yeast that includes the nutrient.

Hydrometers, PET bottles, air-locks, stoppers, and fermentation buckets are not expensive. If you are going to invest the time to make cider, you should invest the money. There is nothing like waiting months to drink cider, and having to pitch the batch because you cut corners. Trust me, my wife has complained about the amount of $$ that I pour down the drain being impatient/ cutting corners.

Making cider is fun and a hobby that will make you a superstar amongst your friends (trust me). Just keep notes, do sufficient research, and don't cut corners.

P.S. You can make your own equipment. However, it is difficult to do so if you do not have a sufficient frame of reference.

xmobisx says: Apr 16, 2011. 12:50 AM
If you can't find yeast nutrient you can just get a handful of raisins and put them in some boiling water. While they are boiling smash them with a fork. You will end up with some brown raisin water when your done. This will supply the yeast with enough nutrients.....you can also use dates
dstowell says: Oct 28, 2011. 9:26 AM
I followed this recipe very well, I thought, however I'm about a week and a half into fermenting and there is no activity in my airlock :( I never had a "vigorous" bubble, or had frothy foam, just subtle movement and a bubble every 5-10 seconds out of the airlocks. Did I perhaps not add enough yeast? Does it ruin the batch to add more activated yeast in now, even though the jugs have been sitting for a while? Any help is appreciated!
ka9qfj says: Dec 20, 2011. 8:18 PM
I wouldn't fret just yet. My bubble interval went from 12 seconds yesterday to 15 today, after 6 days in the carboy. I think you're doing fine. One thing I did do with this batch was to add 1lb. brown sugar (dissolved in hot water) to 2gal. unpasteurized cider. More sugary goodness for the yeasties. One packet of yeast is good for a 5gal batch. I'd watch the airlock a little longer, and pay attention to the bottom to see if sediment is building up, or if your potion is looking clearer over time. Remember, if you had a good bubble going on for a few days, the potion is in an anaerobic environment. Nothing icky can grow on the surface, TTBOMK. Good Luck!
gumbytig says: Dec 5, 2011. 4:47 PM
I just kegged my last batch of cider (2 - 5galon batches this year). It took about 3-4 weeks to ferment them. I kegged the first one after it stopped fermenting. unfortunately it's a little sweet. The second one i added some fermentis safeale US-05 when it stopped fermenting and it finished out much better. So the addition of yeast shouldn't hurt it. If your doing a small batch you might end up with a little of a yeasty bread smell to it but it's not too bad. Depending on how much sugars your adding, you might want to make a starter next time. We use a ratio of 1lb. white table sugar and 1lb. light brown sugar per gallon of cider to make ours and i made a 1/2 gallon starter with liquid yeast WYeast 4632 dry mead. I might try Champaign yeast next time and see if it finishes better. Oh yeah, first batch was 9.8%ABV and the second was 11.8%ABV and tasted much better IMHO.
Stolas68 says: Oct 29, 2011. 10:17 AM
I wouldn't think that it would be a problem to add more yeast. Before you add more yeast I would shake up the cider to get oxygen in there again. I've only brewed beer and am looking to try cider and wine. After reading this there are a few things / points that I would change.
You have to stir up the cider after before you add the yeast. This ensures that oxygen is in whatever you are trying to ferment. Yeast need oxygen for the aerobic phase of fermentation. That's where they consume the oxygen and multiply.
Another important note is to make sure that the temperature of the liquid is 78 deg f or lower before you pitch / add the yeast.
I would not add table sugar or brown sugar. If you want to increase alcohol level I would add extra light dry malt extract which you can get at a home brew store. The yeast can handle this sugar a lot better than table sugar.
mattak86 says: Nov 22, 2011. 3:01 AM
feel free to add more yeast. most of the inactive yeast will fall to the bottom during brewing anyway. The reason it did not get started could be a few reasons. Not proper oxygen flow, temp at time of pitch. but the one i encounter a bit which is extremely important is keeping the carboy at room temp throughout the first 24 hrs at least after your pitch. It is the most important time in the brew. You need to get the yeast working. After 12-24 hrs you should see the most action.
RightonAndy! says: Nov 7, 2011. 12:13 PM
I have only used white sugar in the past. This year we will be trialing four demijons of the same batch one with white one with brown one with glucose & i will try your surgestion of malt extract. We have found about 4lb/gallon is about right for our dry to medium taste.
Am wondering about how the big boys do it. If they are limited to a volume of apples wont they make it into a high alcohol cider, let it mature then dilute it down to around the 5-8% mark??
Anyone any info on this???
Stolas68 says: Nov 8, 2011. 5:11 PM
Yeah, after I wrote that I went back and read up on sugars in my home brew book. White sugar is very fermentable. I had just never seen it in a beer recipe. The book said using white sugar can lead to cidery tastes - which in hard cider is not an issue.
For the alcohol content I assume that cider is similar to beer (and wine) in that it all has to do with the sugar content before and after the fermentation. I'm sure the big companies know exatcly what the sugar content needs to be to make a consistent product and they adjust it every time.
If you have a hydrometer you can measure the specific gravity before and after fermentation to calculate the alcohol content. I don't know how fermentable all the natural sugars are in cider. A beer with a starting gravity of ~1.05 will be around 5% alcohol when finished. To adjust gravity / sugar content - add 1 pound of sugar to raise gravity ~0.005.
If you have 4 batches to make - maybe try different starting gravities and see where they end up.
qdurrett says: Dec 11, 2011. 8:34 AM
Cider issue>
After pitching my yeast, I stored my carboy in my closet over night but the temps got a bit cold (mabe 65f max) now nothing is happening no bubbles in my airlock. What should i do?
ka9qfj says: Dec 20, 2011. 8:05 PM
IMHO, I'd let it go a while longer. I've had the same thing happen, thinking I did something wrong. But, after a day or so I began to see activity. Seems my beer wort always took off faster than the cider does. Further, I think you're OK on the temp issue. Lager beer is fermented super cold (<40F) for a LOOOONG time. Months. So I don't think you killed your yeasties. Hang in and see what happens. One thing I do from day to day is time the airlock "burp" interval time from day to day just to get an idea of what might be going on. Good Luck!
Leeeeen says: Nov 25, 2011. 5:11 PM
Hi, a newbie here...

I just bottled my first-ever four bottles of hard cider. Now that they're capped, the flavor will no longer change, correct? I'd like to try aging it longer, but if capping is the end of it, then I'll just go ahead and put 'em in the fridge! Thanks.
jconway1 says: Apr 13, 2011. 4:56 PM
Hiya, I have just started "messing" with the brewing of cider. I live in Brazil and it's not a very common hobby here so I have a few questions for you guys.
1) what can I use in place of "campden tabs" to carbonate my cider.
2) can I "make" a hygrometer?... or will I have to buy it on the internet?
3) when you say "entire" packet of yeast do you mean 10 grammes?

Please help gang... it looks like you are having an awful lot of fun and I would like to join in.
bsmith86 says: Nov 19, 2011. 3:40 PM
I've been brewing cider for a couple of years now. Start simple. I began by using the 1 gal. pasteurized apple juice jugs that they come in from the store. I add 1/2 tsp. of bakers yeast (any more than that and it will taste like bread) and 2 1/2 cups of granulated sugar per gallon. Make sure you pour off enough of the juice to get all the sugar in without allowing it to overflow. Shake it up good; it should begin to ferment within 24 hrs. I don't even use an airlock; just crack the caps of the jugs enough to allow the gasses to escape. I usually allow this concoction to ferment from 7 to 10 days before racking. If you are careful not to jostle the jugs too much, most of the sediment will have settled and your cider can be consumed shortly after refrigerating. Some would say that this method is crude and more like a prison made "applejack" but it is a good way to start building your own recipe.
I have found the alcohol content and flavor can be amended simply by adjusting the amount and types of sugar and adding different types of fresh fruit. Trying to make everything too complicated tends to make everything, well...too complicated. Good luck!
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Apr 13, 2011. 6:27 PM
jconway1
Glad to hear you're getting into brewing cider in Brazil! Maybe you'll start a national trend. I'll see if I can answer your questions;
1. Campden tablets are used to pasteurize your cider, not to carbonate them. I think you're thinking of carbonation tablets sometimes used in beer brewing. You can use heat to sterilize your cider, as I suggested in the recipe, or you can order Campden tabs. For carbonation, you can use priming sugar or carbonation tabs, but you will want to calculate the specific gravity/alcohol content in order to use the right amount -- otherwise you'll have bombs on your hands. There are some good comments on carbonation and priming sugar on this thread and some even better resources out there online. It's a tricky business and I'm not necessarily the most qualified person out there :)
2. Making a hydrometer is relatively easy (http://www.ecawa.asn.au/home/jfuller/liquids/hydrometers.htm) , but it can be tricky to calibrate. I would recommend either buying one online, or simply winging it by following the recipe exactly :)
3. The yeasts that I typically use come in 5 gram packs and are good for 5 gallons of wort, but every yeast is different. If you don't have access to champagne or white wine or cider yeast, you can probably make do with something else, but I can't say from experience how much will be effective. Fortunately the amount of yeast that you use is not of great importance, as long as you're somewhere in the ballpark. Way too little yeast may take longer to get going, and way too much yeast will result in more silt/yeasty flavor, but unless you're way off, you probably won't notice a difference.

Hope that helped. My advice would be not to worry about it to much your first time. Cider is a very easy and cheap beverage to ferment and you can always improve your technique over multiple batches.
jconway1 says: Apr 14, 2011. 7:55 AM
That's great... thankyou very much for your swift reply, it's lovely to see an Author still in-touch with his/her blog.

I'm making a list of needs now and off shopping for basic parts tommorow. I've got 5lit water jugs to start with and will end up making a vapour lock of some description (heh), but thanks a million for the Hydrometer site.

As far as yeast goes I've had to start with cooking yeast (which is bubbling away nicely) and one site that I looked at suggested a very heavy dose, but I like the idea of an approximate 1gram/ gallon of wort, that sounds more like it.

Am I right in thinking that with a yeast and "yeast nutrient" (please explain the difference) I'll be looking at about 3 months till I'm drinking it?... when can I start tasting it? ... heheh, sorry, a little too eager maybe!

I'm going to re-read your blog, but thanks again... you've opened my eyes to a whole new game ;)

actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Apr 14, 2011. 10:17 AM
Oh right, forgot to mention the yeast nutrient :)

Yeast nutrient is made of food-grade dehydrated urea. It's not needed, but it contains nutrients (ammonium ions) that keep the yeast healthy and productive. Probably something you'll want to pass rather than make yourself.

I haven't used cooking/baking yeast, but I know it can be done. Between 1-2 grams per gallon should do the trick.
jconway1 says: Apr 14, 2011. 10:31 AM
Fantastic, thanks again.

Some friends are sending me some toys from the UK to help with the first couple of Batches. I hope to get the various campden tablet ingredient and Yeast types copied and batched by a pharmacy here... then we're off... till then baking yeast will do.
xmobisx says: Apr 14, 2011. 9:28 PM
for the carbonation i use 2/3 cup of corn sugar for every 5 gallons, so for a 1 gallon it would be about 2 tablespoons of sugar. this is assuming that the residual sugars are gone.
jconway1 says: Apr 15, 2011. 6:59 AM
Guys this is really good feedback. I've been advertising my new game here and tommorrow morning at 5am I'm being taken to the Farmers Export Market in the Capital city where I hope to find decent amounts of "granny smiths"... this is just a dream gone wild for me... "I'm lovin' it" heheheh.
jdowd1 says: Nov 15, 2011. 9:31 PM
Excellent instructions, I got a half-bushel of 2nd-quality Cortland apples for about $7 and picked up supplies from Northern Brewer (locations in Milwaukee and Twin Cities, MN with a mail order service) including Cider Yeast from Wyeast Laboratories--with nutrient included! About a day after pitching my yeast I had a blowout (I wish I was home to see it!) and my housesitter helped me clean apple pulp from the cabinets, floor, and ceiling of the kitchen. To prevent this, I reccomend straining your juice--even a juicer or press will leave a good amount of pulp that will float above the yeast and clog your vapor locks.

The apples gave me two half-gallons of apple cider and I've yet to rack and taste the results. I'm going to try pears next and will share the results, but I'll stain it first and leave the carboys inside a dark garbage bag or large cooler to ensure any blowouts are contained.
pegonaleg says: Oct 20, 2011. 2:04 PM
ive just started brewing cider and have put 3 gallons into a intial fermentation bin and have added the yeast yesterday. The lid and and is now clearly fermenting and the lid if bowed. is it going to blow and should i release the gas!!!!!!!!
much appreciate your advice.
ps i have been advised to leave it in there for 5 to 9 days, any other suggestions.
deltaf222 says: Oct 30, 2011. 10:12 AM
Yes!!! Release the air asap.....your cider should have an air bleed on continuously to release the gases that accumulate while fermenting!! Buy an airlock or throw a balloon over the top, anything that keeps it SEALED and allows air to GO SOMEWHERE!
lbragg says: Oct 22, 2011. 7:19 PM
it probley let it self go by now you should have put an air lock on your primary fermentor
jcoyne2 says: Oct 28, 2011. 1:46 PM
ok so when im ready for the second stage what do i do with the sediment ...... can i squeez out the liquid thankx
mitchlu says: Sep 30, 2010. 6:06 PM
I stored about 12 liters of cider for two weeks and I just finished transporting the liquid into bottles. All the sediment was at the bottom and there were no bubbles after two weeks. I decided to let the cider age in corked wine bottles.

The problem is that my cider tastes quite tart after two weeks and I am afraid it will turn into vinegar. Is this common? Will the cider get sweeter with time? Is there anything I can do? I did put about 7 cups of brown and white sugar into the cider before fermentation.
carnivoracious says: Oct 6, 2010. 12:15 PM
I imagine this is fairly common. My first batch of cider didn't finish fermenting all the way before it was bottled so it stayed carbonated, but much of the sugar from the apple juice had fermented to alcohol. Of course this means that the tart flavour from your apples (or apple juice) remains behind without the sugar to mitigate the sourness (this is why commercial ciders are rarely sold dry, Woodchuck comes to mind). On the other hand I didn't use nearly as much sugar as you the first time around...

The only way your cider could technically become apple cider vinegar is if bacteria find their way into your cider and start munching on the sugars or alcohol. Provided your corks are intact and your wine bottles were clean when you put your cider in, you should be fine.

However, I've noticed that if you let your cider (or any other fermenting beverage) sit on the sediment for too long you'll begin to notice off flavors. This could be contributing to your cider's flavor as well. I may've racked my cider three or four times the first time around trying to get rid of sediment.
brettmurphy says: Oct 26, 2011. 11:41 AM
Use an artifical sweetner to make it sweeter, like Sugar Twin available in a liquid form. "Real" sugar can cause it to ferment again and you want to avoid that.
staturecrane says: May 29, 2011. 5:11 PM
I'm making one-gallon's worth of cider, used a package of yeast and, as one commenter also found, the initial fermentation completed by the fourth day. Now that I've racked and am waiting for fermentation to finish and for the taste to (presumably, I haven't tasted yet) get better, can I go ahead and just start tasting every day and decide when to bottle based on the taste?
brettmurphy says: Oct 26, 2011. 11:38 AM
This is far too late to be posting a reply but for others you can't go by taste at this point. The taste will change quite a bit for the finished product. Your best bet to see if its done fermenting is to get a specific gravity gauge (looks like a floating thermometer) and once you have 3 days in a row where the reading hasn't changed your good to go. You can either bottle of Keg it at this point. Enjoy!
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dowtcha says: Oct 17, 2011. 4:49 PM
Great thread. I'm just starting out, I've read all the comments but still have a few questions:
1. I want to add pectic enzyme (to clarify), can I add this at the same time as the Campden tabs?
2. How long should it sit with the pectic enzyme before adding my fermenting yeast?
Looking forward to this and thanks for all the great tips.
lbragg says: Oct 22, 2011. 7:21 PM
qdd your pectic enzyme when you start
RightonAndy! says: Oct 20, 2011. 11:37 AM
not sure on your order of questions.
You should add your yeast when you press the apples to make sure you have a good starting fermentation.
If you are going to use campton tabs then they are for stopping any small amount of fermentation before you bottle the cider. unless you want some sparkle in it.
Have a look at the different finished ciders, ie conditioned, non conditioned, still, sparkling.
I dont add anthing but yeast & sugar in different amounts.
Am going to a cider festival at the wknd to ask lots of questions, hopefully i will remember the answers after lots of tasting!!! will let ye all know about any cider secrets!!!
dowtcha says: Oct 31, 2011. 8:11 PM
I used the campden tabs right after pressing to kill off wild yeasts, and then a day or so later added a champagne yeast for fermentation. all is well so far, still bubbling away. I want it sparkling so once primary fermentation is over I'll probably bottle with a little dextrose. Someone told me that the dextrose leaves a sediment in your bottles, even with the most careful racking - is there anyway to minimize or get rid of sediment in bottles?

(btw Iadded pectic enzyme to one batch and it hasn't impacted fermentation at all. i'll let you know how the final product looks).
cmiles8 says: Oct 11, 2011. 2:23 AM
i have jus made 2 gallons of pear cider, they are in separate buckets in primary fermentatio (i have added the yeast and coverd the buckets and left for a few days) now on opening the lids the cider is bubblin away nicely but have a large thick layer of yukky lookin stuff ontop .. do i stir this? do i leave it? and when i rack into bottles again do i scrape this stuff off first ? what to do , i have never made cider before! !!!! please help! :-)
RightonAndy! says: Oct 12, 2011. 1:52 PM
dont stir it, after four to five days rack it into a clean demijon with a water trap. we made 300 pints & have just racked ours, smells & tastes GOOD!
Making our second batch tomorrow night, apples are picked & in a 500 gallon trough itching for the scatter mill & press!
Advice to anyone is dont panic with cider making!!!
cmiles8 says: Oct 12, 2011. 2:52 PM
brilliant! thank you for the swift reply!! i have jus got it into a demijohn and its blopping away nicely. i had to top up the mix tho as the origional mixture only came to above the shoulder of the jar, (miscalculated my pears!!!) i made a sugar syrup //9 about 3 desert spoons of sugar in jus over half a litre of boiled (and cooled) water) , total gueswork but it seems to be working! i have another bucket fermenting that i shall put into another demijohn tommorow, and then i have some apples to press!! do you find you have to add sugar to the apples? i didnt think i would need to add sugar to the pears as they were so ripe.. but the first mix tonight jus wasnt bloppin away until i topped it up! knowing my luck tho iv overdone it an it will go bang!
RightonAndy! says: Oct 17, 2011. 12:41 PM
I find by not filling the demijohn too full while there is fermentation taking place will alow enough room for all the froth to stay inside, rather than a big mess outside & wasting cider!! once all the blopping has finished, i dont rush it, give it a week or so.
Rack into another demijohn & then fill it up all but to the top with water, boiled if you want, I am lucky enough to have our own water & add it straight from the tap!!!
I have 10, 5gallon demijohns all bursting with cider.
I have added diferent amounts of sugar to them,
some are completly raw cider & will be left alone.
The others will have different amounts added to find out the best flavour for me.
We made 10gal of cider in two 5 gal demijohns on thurs one of these we left natural the other we added 1lb/gal of sugar, I will taste them once they have finished fermenting!
Another tip i do is to just put some cotton wool in the top of the demijohn while there is a vigerous fermentation, that way there will be no risk of it going bang!!
Remember there is not a lot you can do to stop it making a good cider!
darrenct83 says: Mar 4, 2010. 7:15 AM
Has anyone ever tried adding a priming sugar and bottling in beer bottles to get a carbonated cider like "Hornsby's"?
luannsemail says: Oct 3, 2011. 10:24 AM
Yes, I did with my last years batch. It worked out perfectly. We added it by boiling it in water first to mix it properly with the 4 gallons of cider.
carnivoracious says: May 13, 2010. 10:58 AM
Yes and no.  I actually just bottled my cider before my fermentation was completely done (I'd tested with a hydrometer, the batch was at roughly .02) so it stayed carbonated.  I bottled in 12 oz plastic bottles though.

My question would be this; if you're bottling in beer bottles and your cider is primed, can you just measure off 12 oz with a measuring cup and pour that volume into your bottles without having to worry about bottle bombs?  I don't have a bottler or racking cane, and I'm not sure if this is accurate enough to keep my bottles from exploding.
lbragg says: Oct 22, 2011. 7:15 PM
If you let your cider finish to FG and add 4 oz corn sugar per 5 gal you wont have to worry about bottle bombs
use a hydrometer to calculate starting gravity and finished gravity
when it stops working it should be finished
clevernonsense says: Sep 6, 2011. 8:35 AM
You can get flip top bottles like this:
http://www.amazon.com/500-Amber-Flip-Cap-Bottles-pack/dp/B002Y2951C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1315323186&sr=8-4

A bit expensive to start with but they are nice to have in general. You can also usually find 1 liter ones for fairly cheap.

I would use a food-grade plastic tube rather than a measuring cup, and fill from the bottom of the bottle up--prevents too much oxidation.
darrenct83 says: May 13, 2010. 4:27 PM
I'm sure that it would work fine to fill the bottles to the neck with primed cider. A racking setup is not very expensive. It makes life a whole lot easier. You're going to need a capper too. Also not very expensive unless you need a really nice one.
jfarina3 says: Oct 2, 2011. 5:34 PM
White Labs Old English Cider Yeast is worth a try
jfarina3 says: Oct 2, 2011. 5:30 PM
I have to disagree about the mix of apples. The best batches i've had have come from one variety, which in my case was Jona Free.
sevilsizer says: Sep 25, 2011. 12:16 AM
Been messing with cider for awhile now and this is the first place I've found answers to some of the problems I've been having. I've always added sugar, honey, or agave right in the beginning. Sterilized everything, killed any native yeast with tabs. Air locked and bubbled well. Almost always used champagne yeast though. Alcohol content would range between 13 and 17. Strong stuff but tasted terrible. Thanks for all of the different ideas.
redstevo77 says: Sep 19, 2011. 6:09 AM
Hope someone can help as I fear my 3 gallon batch of Perry might have gone wrong!

Having lived where I live for the last 6 years which is fortunate to have 2 pear trees in the rear garden I finally decided to do something with all my pears this year rather than let then dissolve into the ground. I picked a dust bin full of pears and following another internet guide I did the following:

Washed and chopped pears into smaller chunks

Pulped into a mash

Pressed mash using a smashing press borrowed from a friend.

Sterilised a fermenting buckets and managed to press 3 gallon of pear juice!

Added 3 campden tablets (1 per gallon)

Added some pectolase yeast nutrients and Wine yeast as per directions.

Left the perry fermenting for 4 days (all bubbling etc happened)

The instructions then told me to siphon this off into Demijohns with Airlocks for the second stage of fermentation.......

This is where I think it may have gone wrong.... Since I have put the juice into the Demijohns all bubbling has stopped - I am now at day three in the demijohns and not a bubble! It this right??

Also should the airlocks have any fluid in them (water ??)

When I siphoned from the first barrel I left all the sediments in the bottom of the barrell (did not siphon this into the demijohns)

My instructions state wait for the bubbling to stop (takes about two weeks depending on the temp) and then move to a cooler location (garage etc....) for a further few weeks before bottling - Mine aint bubbling!!!

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jafcook says: Sep 22, 2011. 5:25 AM
You are ok, YES YES the airlocks need water, otherwise they are not airlocked. the purpose of an airlock is to lock the air in you container and keep outside air out, Once you add your water you will see the bubbling in the airlock not in your batch of brew. the bubbles will slow down in 10 to 20 days. then rack it off (siphon into another container) try to have a container close to the size of you brew (least amount of air as possible) do not siphon out the goo on the bottom. put your air lock back on and wait till its a little more clear, rack it again, By this time it is drinkable, but the longer you let it sit the more clear it gets. enjoy
charle6549 says: Sep 16, 2011. 11:15 PM
hi i was wondering if you could use cooking apples ??xxx
clevernonsense says: Sep 6, 2011. 8:31 AM
Following these instructions should work well, and it is of course a matter of preference but I thought I would add these comments/suggestions:

- for 1 gallon, I usually only use about 1/4 of the yeast packet or even a fifth
- I don't think apple cider really needs yeast nutrient though I have never used it. I've never had a fermentation stall on me.
- with fresh apples, I generally just wash the heck out of them, juice them, and don't pasteurize. I add well-activated yeast and it gets to do the majority of the work, while a little wild yeast adds some character (I've never had this go wrong, and this is how some wineries operate)
- I would stress sanitation more--EVERYTHING that comes in contact with the cider should be sanitized, including the juicer elements (mine are all dishwasher safe, so I usually run it through on sanitize right before starting)
- Rather than racking, I generally just wait until fermentation stops (when SG doesn't change over 2 days)--this is usually just 2 weeks or so which is fine for letting stuff hang out with the sediment. Then I bottle with priming sugar or add apple juice concentrate. Check for "priming sugar calculator" on google for charts. Then it's best to let the bottles age for a few months. I like using 1 liter grolsh bottles with flip-top lids.
- I have had fun results adding the following to kick up alcohol: dextrose (corn sugar), regular sugar, honey (you will want to rack in this case and will need a long bit of more time), fructose (cheap and matches the primary sugar in apple juice), and my favorite is just adding a can of frozen apple juice concentrate
- you CAN use ale and/or lager yeasts with great results--lager in particular works well but will require the right temperatures and you need to age the heck out of it.
- I would strongly advise against any sort of heat pasteurization - it radically changes the flavor, at least to my taste buds
- most store apple juices are made without preservatives, added sugar, or added water. Added vitamin C is not a problem.
- Whole Foods, for about $7, sells 1 gallon glass jugs of unfiltered, cold pasteurized apple juice. Makes a very convenient, easy, and cost effective source. It's a tarter than typical organic juice that benefits from some added sugar.

Harpoon (a Massachusetts Brewer) has an apple cider made solely from Apples and Yeast--it's dry, crisp, light, and smooth. Also about 4% alcohol. It makes a good "standard" IMO.

Just some things to throw out there! I'm lucky in that I really like cider in all spectrums of the results--from tart&dry to sweet&mellow to even a little sour/funky, so I feel pretty confident goofing off with it.
eskimojo says: Oct 19, 2010. 12:43 PM
I've read that there are places that "cold pasteurize" which means bombarding the cider with UV rays.
I also know that there are some filtration systems that use a glass tube and UV rays to filter fish tank water.

Could 2+2=awesome?

The better flavor of the unpasteurized cider with the benefit of not adding bacterial cultures to your intestines?
idlymr74 says: Aug 4, 2011. 6:39 AM
uv light has to penetrate to be effective. uv sterilization is innefective with muddy water. cider looks like it would block the uv radiation
jconway1 says: Apr 14, 2011. 8:14 AM
That sounds cool... a bit like solar heating the stuff or running it through a solar panel... Even MORE eco-cider.

Brilliant!
tdawber-mandeno says: Jun 24, 2011. 7:54 PM
Freeze your apple juice in a sterilised bowl it allows the cell walls to break down and allows whole lot of natural sugars be released (i do not recommend a metal bowl)
mazahouse says: Mar 2, 2011. 9:36 AM
AAAAAH need help!!!! My vapor lock keeps bubbling over with cider? each time i pull it out, disinfect it and pour out some more cider liquid then re-insert the vapor lock. How full should I have filled my carboy?
tallest says: Mar 21, 2011. 10:02 PM
use a plastic tube running down from the cork to a smaller jar near the carboy/brewing vessel, basically making a large scale vaporlock.
cloclo59 says: Mar 20, 2011. 8:22 PM
Hello.
Have you read the recipes drink Kefir water on this site?
Theoretically it can be fermented fruit juices with this inoculation of apple juice too. A result resembling cider.
Have you tried? If so, it gives it?

Bonjour.
Avez-vous déjà lu les recettes de boissons Kéfir d’eau sur ce site ?
Théoriquement on peut faire fermenter des jus de fruit avec cet ensemencement, du jus de pommes aussi. Un résultat qui ressemblerait au cidre.
Avez-vous essayé ? Si oui, que cela donne t-il ?
Snowh1t3 says: Mar 4, 2011. 1:46 PM
I have a somewhat basic question, what are the differances between the types of yeast that you use is it a taste or does it have more to do with tthe type of alcohol you are trying to make? Thank you very much.
ChefLamont says: Mar 14, 2011. 1:30 PM
That's a great question. With only a few exceptions, yeast adds significant amounts of its own flavors to nearly all fermented beverages. It is not because of the "type of alcohol" as much as it is some of the other trace byproducts of fermentation. If you have ever had a German hefeweizen, that banana and clove flavor that is characteristic of the style comes completely from the yeast and the production of esthers and phenols during fermentation.

The other important factor is attenuation. Some yeast will ferment more completely than others. In other words it will at up all the sugar vs. leave some behind. This will change the character of the beverage as well. This instructable suggests champagne yeast. That is a high attenuation yeast, so the cider will be dry to very dry. I prefer a cider that is not quite as dry, so I use a different cider yeast (the liquid ones mentioned) or even US-05 ale yeast.

It is all a matter of personal preference. I would use 1-gal jugs and make some batches side-by-side with different yeast. Then you will know what you prefer.

Another tip on taste from yeast and fermentation is the temperature you ferment at. That is important and should not be glossed over. I would say 70 is a max. I would keep it ~65 as the fermentation itself will generate some heat. As fermentation finishes, you can raise it up around 70.

Cheers and good luck.
vincent7520 says: Mar 5, 2011. 2:37 PM
I'll keep with the Old School as we do in Normandy …
We brew cider in an oak cask from late october / mid november till it is fully brewed. Then we bottle it and open the 1st bottle only "after the 1st song of the cuckoo !…" , so goes the saying !…
Watch the cork and have several hands each with a glass : if the cider is highly carbonated the cork will leave a hole well a dent…) in your ceiling and 3/4of the contents will be flooding table and ground before you can fill the 1st glass …
Duluth06ChE says: Sep 22, 2009. 9:23 AM
Could you also use a "smack pack" as a starter? I'm not sure what the include in the pack for nutrients, but I use a Wyest Activator for all my homebrews of beer.
xgxlx says: Feb 6, 2011. 6:04 PM
You could use a smack pack, as long as the OG isn't over 1.060. Using a plain sugar yeast starter isn't too great of an idea, since sugar doesn't contain any nutrients. While it's true that yeast only need sugar to produce alcohol, they also need other things to live. If you only give them sugar to munch on, they're going to start munching on other yeast cells for the nutrients, which can produce off flavors. Making a starter with pasteurized apple juice/cider will work much better.

Another alternative to boiling is to get some sulfites from a homebrew/wine making shop, though I've not really read into the specifics of it. It will kill any wild yeast and bacteria present in the juice, though.
chandlerbingco says: Jan 23, 2011. 9:31 PM
Interesting article - I've been trying to duplicate the hart berry cider served at BJ's. I have three 1-gallon batches going now, so I should know how close I've come in about 6 months (aging)...

I have not had a problem finding cider (not from concentrate) in 1-gallon jugs at our local Walmart (we live in Colorado). There is no potassium sorbate on the label, but the cider has been pasteurized. I have not added any additional sugar to the must so far to keep the alcohol content low (adding extra sugars at the beginning will not make your cider sweeter unless you intentionally arrest the fermentation before finishing - extra sugar at the beginning will increase your alcohol content), but will probably backsweeten when the fermentation is done to balance the tartness of the cider.

I don't have a complete brew log yet from these batches, but I'm thinking the typical cider is probably about 5% alcohol - so I'd start with a SG at about 1.050 and add a little yeast nutrient to keep things going.

Another comment would be to add Pectic Enzyme - if you don't add this at the very beginning (about an hour before adding yeast) and mix thoroughly, you'll have trouble getting the cider to clear out later. It's cheap and easy to find at a home-brew store.

For the berry flavor, I'm thinking of adding 1lb of thawed and mashed blackberries to the must at the start of secondary fermentation (again, you should probably pre-treat the berry mash with pectic enzyme) and letting them sit in the carboy until it's time to bottle.
Dx253 says: Jan 13, 2011. 10:11 PM
I used One Step: No rinse cleanser to sanitize my one gallon glass jug prior to pouring in the apple cider. The gentlemen at the brewing store told us we could keep some of the cleanser in the air lock (up to the fill line) while it is fermenting. My question is, my wife swears while I was moving the jug a few drops from the air lock spilled into the cider. Will this affect our hard cider? The cleanser was diluted 1 tbsp:1 gallon of water.

Thank you for the help in advance!
chandlerbingco says: Jan 23, 2011. 9:22 PM
As you mention, this is a no rinse cleanser - presumably you didn't rinse it out before pouring your cider must in. A few more drops of cleanser solution won't hurt anything.
Pawk says: Jan 21, 2011. 9:58 PM
I just started today making cider and I couldn't find if I should have put distilled water or tap water in the vapor lock, I used tap is that a bad idea ? And I used tap water to start the yeast will that effect the yeast or the cider in the long run ?


Thanks.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Jan 22, 2011. 2:20 PM
Pawk,

I have used tap water in both of the applications that you mentioned with no problems. It depends where you live though. Hard water, chemically "softened" water, chlorine, fluoride and factory runoff will all probably have some effect on your yeast. Best bet is to go with something you know is safe, like distilled or bottled water, that way if you have a problem you can more easily diagnose it.
Pawk says: Jan 23, 2011. 4:57 PM
Thank you. Now I know . Ill will use bottled water or distilled water next time to be one the safe side . Thanks
pyrosparker says: Dec 17, 2010. 12:12 AM
I see a lot of people with trouble getting out the sediment, or having it take about a month or so.... so here's the best and simplest way, (also includes tips for making the hard cider taste less "off ") as it ferments, whenever you see dead yeast piling up on the bottom, siphon of the liquid portion into a sterile container, remove dead yeast, and replace liquid. After doing this multiple times over the fermentation process, once the liquid is producing about 1 bubble a minute, place in fridge overnight. The cold will kill the yeast, and if you leave it in for an extra 1-2 weeks, the cider (once siphoned off from the dead yeast in the bottom) will become as clear as store-bought non-alcoholic apple juice.
katym says: Aug 29, 2010. 6:44 PM
Hey all!
I just wanted to say, (without wanting to offend anyone interested in this calculated method) that my dad has been making delicious, warm you from the inside hard cider for years, with only the following:
1 gallon jug of fresh unpasteurized cider (with ~ an inch removed)
to which he adds:
1 cup regular white cane sugar
1 cup white powdered sugar
1 cup brown sugar
and a handful of raisins for flavor
he puts a balloon over the jug opening, lets it sit in a dark corner for ~ 3 months, then just pours the liquid out carefully and leaves the sludge at the bottom.
Just a different more simple method I guess?
gregfirestone says: Nov 14, 2010. 7:43 PM
hey I've Ben doing it this way for years but but i used white cane sugar I'm going to try white brown and powdered sounds good and a hand full of raspberries just wondering how strong the alcohol content will be thanks Greg ps i found its easier to melt the sugars on a cup of warm cider first
honeysluck says: Oct 18, 2010. 8:09 AM
First time we are attempting this....recipe sounded right on because we did not have yeast. Followed the above recipe and after 4 days, no bubbling or action. We have a vapor lock on & nothing happening....raisins rising to the top. Should we be concerned or just let it sit?? Thanks for any input.
katym says: Oct 19, 2010. 6:27 AM
From what I can remember, just let it go. This is a really slow process, as the only yeast being used is the natural yeast from the apple cider. Set it in a corner for three months or so, and yes, the raisins will get all puffy and float. Eventually there will be a sludge on the bottom (don't drink) while the rest of the liquid will be clearer. As a Food Science and Technology student, I am always somewhat skeptical of home fermentation processes, I've had food safety drilled into me from day one. But like I said, my father has been doing this for years and nothing bad has ever come of it. Good luck! (In short: Patience.)
docwisdom says: Nov 14, 2010. 10:32 AM
If you rinse the carboy after sanitizing it, use DISTILLED water. Otherwise you will recontaminate your carboy. I brew beer regularly and my recommendation would be to use an iodine sanitizing solution rather than bleach.
Idophor is best.
brewingrocks says: Jan 24, 2010. 12:42 AM
I just finished pressing some apple and got 2 litres of cider I wanted to make it an equal gallon so I added some water and icing sugar, the sg was 1070. what will the percentage end up being when it ferments out?
jnealy69 says: Oct 31, 2010. 3:11 PM
Here is an excerpt from BeerAdvocate:

Calculating the ABV
Say our brewer crafted a high-alcohol beer. The OG measured at 1.080, and the beer stopped fermentation with a FG measurement of 1.011. Simply subtract the FG from the OG and multiply by 131.

1.080 - 1.011 = 0.069 x 131 = 9.039%

So we've got a 9 percent alcohol by volume beer. Easy!

hoppybeerboyp90x says: Feb 2, 2010. 9:33 AM
it will prolly be about the same son
ryancolorado says: Oct 27, 2010. 8:58 AM
I just brewed 5 gallons of apple cider and it has been fermenting for the last 3 weeks. It is at 16.5 degrees of continuation and has a great dry wine taste but not much apple taste. Can i add more apple juice or even apple juice concentrate to it before I rack it to give it a slightly more sweet apple taste? Or will just screw things up?
mlizethdimas says: Oct 24, 2010. 2:07 PM
My cider is in its 1.5 week and I see some tiny bubbles in the cider but negligible in the airlock. Should I rack now and then wait another week to rack into bottles? It's my first batch, help!
jonathanwash says: Oct 22, 2010. 5:46 PM
I've bought some cider from a orchard but since they're also a tourist orchard and so they sell a lot of cider and add PS to it. It says on the bottle that it's only 1/10 of 1% of PS in a gallon. Is that significant enough to have to make a starter or can I continue like normal?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 24, 2010. 10:31 AM
Honestly, I have no idea how many PPM of PS will F up your HC, so I would err on the side of caution and just make a starter. They're simple to make (can be just a sugar solution and yeast if no untainted apple juice is available) and will speed up the fermentation process. Win Win.
steam_punk777 says: Oct 21, 2010. 12:15 AM
lol, I got the same glass bottle for the mead in making right now. Cost me like 10 bucks, only got it for the bottle but the wine was good for how much it was. But I made Rasberry mead and its been sittin for about 4 or 5 weeks now. Smells alot like Cherry McGillicutty's.
layeni says: Oct 18, 2010. 6:38 PM
First timer here:
My cider has been fermenting for 48 hours and there are no bubbles in the airlock. There is gas in the air lock, as the liquid has been pushed into one chamber, but no bubbles?!

Also, I did not add sugar, as it says it is optional, I put 2/3 package of yeast, but the juice did not fill the my 1 gallon container completely, it arrives just below the shoulder of the container.

Should I add sugar? Is it too late? Please help.

Thanks
nc4tc says: Sep 3, 2009. 1:01 PM
I did not read all the comments but cider is the only juice that can be drunk while it is fermenting. Get 1 gallon of unpasteurized apple juice. Put in your favorite wine yeast and put it in the refrigerator with a loose cap. Just give it a week, and start sipping on it. As it ferments, it will be delicious and delightfully carbonated with no special treatment.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Sep 3, 2009. 1:45 PM
nc4tc. This is pretty much the gist of the instructable, which includes instructions for brewing from scratch (juicing your own apples) and from store bought cider (including the way around Potassium Sorbate preservatives). My only concern with your method is one of sanitation. Fermenting liquids are incredibly succeptable to infection from harmful mould and bacteria (including ecoli), which is why it is so important to pasturize your cider, use a vapor lock and to sanitze your equipment thoroughly. You could probably get away without these precautions, but it's really not worth it to cut corners with harmful pathogens
nc4tc says: Sep 30, 2010. 12:25 PM
You are absolutely right!!!
intheendinthedirt says: Oct 14, 2009. 10:38 PM
Is it possible to make a starter with just sugar, water, and yeast?
goofhead says: Sep 27, 2010. 12:16 PM
actually its very possible ... in fact they used to sell kits ... all you need for alcohol is Sugar, yeast and water..... once SG has hit 1.000 ( assuming yous starting SG was higher then 1.000) youve got alcohol just add what ever you want for flavour ... koolaid, cider , pop. of course depending on your mix ratio the alcoholic content will be effected ie your sugar water had a 10% alcohol and you mixed it 50/50 with koolaid then your final mix is rated at 5% alcohol.
RamDragon says: Mar 24, 2010. 9:26 AM
It is possible, but not recommended. When you transfer your yeast to your cider, or whatever you are fermenting, you will shock it with the new environment and that shock can kill the whole colony. You want your starter to be as similar to your brew as possible to prevent shock.
Nemmy says: Oct 29, 2009. 8:03 PM
I forgot to add water to my vapor locks!  I just did as soon I realized, but it's been fermenting in my closet for about 30 hrs without the water in the locks.  How concerned should I be?
Nemmy says: Oct 29, 2009. 8:05 PM
They're the squiggly scientific looking type vapor locks, if that matters.
goofhead says: Sep 27, 2010. 12:11 PM
well its a year later and im sure you may have the most deliciously tasting vinager around .. or maybe its yummy cider.. only way to knwo is to give it a try :)
ExclusiveCl says: Jan 13, 2010. 7:15 AM
If I want to do this in a 6g Jug, I'm just multiplying this recipe by 6, and using the full packet of yeast, correct???
Thanks
goofhead says: Sep 27, 2010. 12:05 PM
yes ... sort of 1 packet will do 5 gallons... in fact 2 tsps of yeast is all you need it will just take a little longer to ferment. yeast as its working multiplys and in all reality the yeast natrually forming works a whole lot better then anything you could add... heres what ive found. I made 2, 1 liter test batches to A i added 1 tsp yeast and 2 tbsp sugar. the specific gravity (SG) was 1.045. to B i addded nothing its SG was 1.040. After 5 days i tested A SG was at 1.030 and B SG was 1.010 and in 10 days A SG was 1.005 and B was 1.000.

Also i did not monitor temperature but during the day room temp was around 25C and at night it dropped to a high of 15 so in theory yeast should have stopped at 18-19 but the natural yeast in B kept growing away while A stalled and kicked back in when temps got back up to 20C.


So to short answer your question yes you multiply all ingrediants ... except the yeast it would be happy with just a single packet of yeast.
garyods says: Jun 7, 2010. 12:40 AM
I've been playing with ginger beer, and have recently moved on to sparkling or hard cider. I've taken a very simplistic course of action, I added champagne yeast to water and ginger juice and some sugar in a clean 2 liter plastic soda bottle. When I wanted cider I bought apple juice and added a half cup of the ginger ale to a liter of apple juice and capped it. After a couple of days the bittle was firm and I added another cup of apple juice and recapped it. I store it in the bathtub, the bottle gets so hard I can't put a dent in it with my thumb, then I transfer it to the frige. I now have 2 of the 2 liter bottles going, I pour off a couple of cups every once and a while and refill with apple juice. It tastes good, but I have no idea how strong it is. Is there a limit as to the alcohol or pressure that the yeast can take before it goes inactive? Thanx for your time and info.
goofhead says: Sep 27, 2010. 11:44 AM
you absolutly need a hydrometer !!!! highest alcohol content you could have is 18% with champagne yeast... infact all yeast is dead at 18% some die earlier. if you dont use the hydrometer you have no clue what alchohol content is at.. infact your ginger liquid may not have any alcohol content it may just be fuzzy from the sugar.

Mix you liquid and sugar measure with hydrometer.. when your liquid stops "foaming or bubbling" fermentation has stopped measure again with hydrometer and it should be at 1.000 meaning there is no sugar left ( giving you a dry wine/cider.

To figure alcohol content check out thi site http://www.grapestompers.com/articles/hydrometer_use.htm

Again a lesson i learned on my first beer kit.... followed instructions on the package added sugar yeast waited 15 days tasted like beer.... but infact it was just bubbling from sugar and yeast was dead. so i had non alcoholic beer tasted ok but no matter how much i drank there was no buzz.
jakesaint1 says: Sep 24, 2010. 9:06 AM
I have tried to read through some of the 200 comments to see if anyone has the same question and there are some that are close but not exact. I have a large beer fermenter with the cider fermenting in it now and it is actively bubbling. The fermenter has a spigot on it.... would you still want to rack it (when its done with the primary fermenting) or just let it sit without raking and it will ferment to secondary and when I fill the lees and sediment will be at the bottom under the spigot? Im thinking that I should just rake it anyways because i want a more clear cider.
kingcharmie says: Sep 12, 2010. 1:27 PM
I have a hard cider question about using pasturized fresh cider. By mistake I bought pasturized preservative free cider from my local orchard ( I always get unpasturized). As long as there are no preservatives should my 27 gallon batch be okay??? I've not added the yeast yet, just the camden tablets. I'd hate to make a 27 gallon mistake!
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Sep 12, 2010. 2:31 PM
Kingcharmie,

Wow that's a big batch! And yes, this will work fine. Pasteurized cider without preservatives is actually the ideal cider to buy as it will be free from bacteria but it does not contain any additional chemicals that will mess with your yeast. As long as the ingredients say "Juice from Apples" and nothing else (i.e. no potassium sortbate, etc.) you should be fine. I just did a 6 gallon batch with cider like this from Trader Joes and it came out perfectly.
kingcharmie says: Sep 13, 2010. 9:03 AM
Wow,
Thank you for the quick response and the good news! I was able to get a good nights sleep knowing my raspberry cider batch was okay. I make monthly big batches while the orchard is in pressing season and add a couple gallons of my home grown raspberries to the must. Nice color and flavor. I always add sugar at bottling but it doesn't always carbonate- but always tastes good. Thanks again.
fireflytalk says: Aug 29, 2010. 1:24 PM
My carboy keeps foaming over. I'm making 5 gallons of cider using my own pressed apples (I used a champion juicer to extract the juice which leaves quite a bit of soft pulp in the juice). Anyway I added everything together last evening, including a package of champagne yeast (which I proofed and got working first in a bit of the sugared juice). Anyways the batch started working and bubbling right away and over night the airlock totally blew off. I tried putting it back in place, but the foam just travels up the air lock tube and it boils over through the top of the airlock. In order to get this under control I've had to take about a quart or more out of the batch so there's room at the top of the carboy for the foam to rise and fall without reaching the neck (well actually it's still rising and going up the tube some). If my picture comes through ok you can see that on top of the juice is a layer of bubbles, and on top of that a layer of apple foam which keeps percolating upward, and is the stuff that blew the air lock off. Is it ok to have such a gap below the neck, and how long should I expect it to keep doing this? I'm thinking I will need to top it back up to the neck at some point. Is is ok to discard the top foam as it rises or as I scoop it out...or is this portion also valuable to the product.
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vvshende says: Sep 12, 2010. 9:04 AM
This is common when fermenting the maximum volume of liquid that a fermenter can handle (5 gallons of juice/beer in a 5 gallon fermenter). There is a neat trick to fix this I learned from Charlie Papazian's Book "The Complete Joy of Homebrewing." (page 24). The trick was to attach a sterile hose to the top of the carboy and into sterile receiving vessel for the initial fermentation (2-3 days) when the activity is the highest and one would capture and dispose of all of this "blowoff." This is a neat trick, however I find it arduous so a much simpler solution to the problem is to have a much larger carboy to prevent this from happening, (6.5 gallon carboy for 5 gallons of juice/beer) and the bubbles from the initial fermentation should not reach the top of the fermentation lock. However there is of course a give and take for both methods, while being more difficult, some people prefer the "tube blow off" method because they believe that it expels unwanted material that can add off-flavors to your brew, I have not tried both methods, but I think that things taste just fine with a bigger carboy. Good Luck!
whiteshadow204 says: Aug 31, 2010. 9:24 PM
Your pictures and story sound just like me, but a few days later. On Aug. 22nd, I juiced 23 liters or so into a carboy. When I got home the next day from work (not quite 24 hrs later) with my yeast and a few other home brewing supplies, I had apple "schmutz" all over the corner of my closet. The small up-side-down part of the airlock had completely blown off, and the pulp-stuff was all over the walls and floor. (Thankfully the clothing didn't get hit) I was glad to see things seemed to be going well on their own, but decide I'd try the campden tablets and Lalvin wine yeast. Because of the explosion I'd had in my closet, I also used a 1 gallon jug when I moved the cider back into their glass homes, providing lots of room for all the activity. I also tested the specific gravity and tasted it. (1.04 after 24hrs fermentation, and 1.054 after adding a bit of sugar and all the rest) It tasted like the best sparkling apple juice I've ever had! Very bubbly, and great sweetness and flavour. I think it was Wednesday when I noticed all the pulp type stuff had disappeared and the bubbling was slowing. I was kinda worried, because the pulp being gone was such a drastic difference, and this seemed so much faster than all the guides/directions I'd read. By Friday, (5 days later) I was getting less than one bubble a minute from the vapour locks. I was away from home for a few days, but racked it all into a freshly sanzitized carboy on the 29th. I ended up putting most of the jug into the carboy, and had about a glass left over to taste. It tastes absolutely terrible. I kept trying over and over, just to analyze. It's aweful. My best description is that it's already on its way to vinegar. I haven't PH tested it, but it seems incredibly acidic. The smell is not nice. It is definitely alcoholic. My specific gravity reading at racking was .094. I don't think that can be right, as it was off the charts, but I did it over and over, and that's what my hydrometer read. So now I'm not sure what to do. It's sitting there not doing much. I haven't noticed the vapour lock releasing anything, although it seems to have been pushed up. It's hard for me to imagine that time is going to make this stuff palatable, but I don't know what else to do. Right now I'm planning to bottle in about a week. Any experience home brewers/cider makers have any advice? I'm afraid my first attempt isn't going so well. I'm worried because it seems to have happened so quickly, and tasted so aweful at racking time. Will time really make it better? When should I bottle? I was planning to add a bit of sugar or artificial sweetener at bottling in an attempt to make it fizzy and sweet upon drinking.
fireflytalk says: Sep 1, 2010. 8:58 AM
Did you add campden tablets to your batch? If so could this shut the fermentation down? I'm not answering your question, just posting a thought.
whiteshadow204 says: Sep 2, 2010. 1:38 PM
I'm sure it would, yes. I added campden tablets to halt my natural fermentation when I added my commercial yeast, nutrient and sugar. I then had fermentation for 4 days or so. Correction to my note above, my SG is now .994 Which I believe is another indication that fermentation is complete. I'm just not sure what to do with the stuff. It tastes so aweful, is it ruined? How could it completely ferment so quickly? Will time improve it? For now I think I'm just going to leave it in the carboy. Hmmm.
jrh065 says: Aug 30, 2010. 7:01 PM
You might try replacing the air lock with a piece of plastic tubing. You'll need to run the tube down into some water anything that bubbles out will push out into the water, but nothing will be let in(this is the old fashioned way). Tis way the bubbles and such won't cause problems. You might want to change the water occasionally since you're having issues with some of the cider bubbling out. I can't say that i know why your cider is doing this. I've just seen people use a tube and water for fermentation. Thought it might prevent your airlock from popping off in the future. Let us know how things go!
fireflytalk says: Sep 1, 2010. 8:53 AM
Reply to jrh065. What I found was (besides the batch being very active) was that the apple foam sitting on top of the bubbles caused the explosion in my case. The bubbles working away below the thick foam caused it to rise up into the airlock - which eventually plugged it. Therefore the cork had no choice but to pop. After taking off some of the cider from the top it continued to give me some grief for a bit, but by the end of the day it had settled down. I continued to use the air lock, but did not fill it with water. Instead I just let the bubbles climb up the tube and fill it, and I dumped it out into a holding container quite as it got too full. (If I wasn't at home your tube suggestion would have done the trick too.) Now that a few days have passed and the foam has either been pushed out or settled to the bottom, I have slowly topped off the batch again so that it is full to the neck of the carboy... although even doing this (with all the activity) caused some new bubbling over. However, I just went back to letting the bubbles fill the airlock and dumping until it settled down. As for all the activity. I confess to using a combination of a couple of recipes so have used more sugar than is called for with the one posted on this site. Also, the apple foam and particulate matter in the juice contributed a lot of air so (as I've read elsewhere) it's air that can cause the yeast to make more bubbles. I am concerned with all the extra handling, scooping, recorking etc that I do not have a batch that is as sterilized as the one I started with. So far though the batch smells great, and is performing as expected. However, next time I will not add any of the foam.
goofhead says: Sep 27, 2010. 11:15 AM
Ive found a neat trick for this and its simple.... margrine... yes thats right Margrine. I suppose oil could work to but all you need is a touch on the bottom of your rubber stopper.. i mean i put my finger on the top of the margrine o my finger has a thin film of it and then gently press it on the rubber stopper . The oils break down the bubbles that have reached the stopper and cause them to cease their destructive shananigans. Found this out with my first beer kit i was actually making my little guy some toast and got some margrine on my finger then i noticed my beer over foaming took off the rubber stopper and touched the foam/bubbles with my finger and the foam almost instantly died down. Fermenting continued and i never got the foam back that batch. Ive done a few more batches and each time same results.

also yes this way would cut down contaminating the batch or atleast thats my hope. Let me know what you guys think/ find out.

bradwerd says: Sep 11, 2010. 8:38 AM
Is it really necessary to siphon it back into the first carboy? Would just one siphoning into a fresh carboy be good, or is there residual goodness in the first one that's being utilized?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Sep 11, 2010. 3:24 PM
Bradwerd,

No, technically this is not necessary. If you have multiple carboys, that is perfectly legitimate. I just tend to have all of my carboys in use at any given time so it's easier for me to siphon into another receptacle (such as a sterile 5 gallon bucket), clean out the carboy and then siphon back in.
maran417 says: Aug 24, 2010. 10:01 PM
I need some help please. We have started making our first batch of cider, from our own apple tree. We pulped them, and pressed them and have 5 gallons of juice. We haven't added any yeast to it but have left it fermenting in a carboy on its own, with an airlock. It seems to be doing well, after 5 days its constantly bubbling. But my question is - should we use commercial yeast as well? We have some of the Red Star champagne yeast (although perhaps not enough - 1 packet of yeast and 5 gallons of juice...?). Can we just add it to our partially fermented juice? Or should we just leave it to ferment with its own natural juice? Does anyone have suggestions? And one more question (we're very new to this) - when should we rack it? Thanks!
whiteshadow204 says: Aug 31, 2010. 9:34 PM
I'm currently on my first attempt at this as well, so take what I say with a grain of salt. You can read my story a few comments below. I'd leave it alone and not add the yeast. People add a commercial yeast to insure that they have a good tasting yeast in their brew to do the fermentation. This is done after attempting to kill all other bacteria and germs. If you were to try and add the Red Star, it would now have to compete with your natural yeast, which is apparently doing well on its own. I don't know, but I'm guessing the natural yeast would win, unless you killed it off with pasteurization or campden tablets first. So might as well leave well enough alone, and let it finish, now that you're a week or so into the project. The instructions on my package of yeast (Lalvin) said good for 1 - 5 gallons. As far as I know, 1 package is meant to go into a 5 gallon carboy, so no worries with regards to that.
stocky says: Aug 31, 2010. 2:29 PM
I used both for mine but added them at the beggining, i do this as it SEEMS to speed up the process its also a good backup just incase the natural yeast decides not to work.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Aug 25, 2010. 3:59 PM
Maran, If the cider is fermenting with the wild yeast, there would be no point to adding commercial yeast. Chances are the current yeast would out-compete the champagne yeast anyway. You would only really add additional yeast if the wild yeast failed to ferment on its own. You can rack as soon as primary fermentation is finished (when the vapor lock bubbles less than once a minute or until about a week has past since you started fermentation).
stocky says: Aug 31, 2010. 2:25 PM
I used to do the t-towl thing when i made potato wine, i'd usually grate the potatoes then i could simply use that method from the start On the other hand nowdays I use a cheapo juicer then i made a press with a plastic stoarge box (with a plank on the bottom for strength) and an 8mm threadded rod and a nut (i use a spanner) which simply pulls a thick peice of laminated wooden board down cut some holes in the front and its amazing, on average i get half of what i've got again, eg 2 litres from juicer = 3 all-together :) definatly worth while for me.
carnivoracious says: Jun 20, 2010. 3:35 PM
If I just racked to secondary today and I've got a smell somewhere between flatulence and rotten eggs and the sediment on the bottom is splotchy, should I get rid of it? I had an airlock crack up in my hand when I tried to pull it out and drain off some blowoff (didn't want it fermenting in the airlock). I'm using two one-gallon carboys though, and the other one smells pretty much the same. I did heat pasteurize, but that doesn't smell like cooked apples. Anyone had this happen?
bcarnaby says: Oct 19, 2008. 8:27 AM
1/2 Camden tab per gallon. Crush the tablet well as it does not readily dissolve. No need to heat the cider this way and better tasting stuff as a result. Leave in cider to sit for 24 to 26 hours. Stir like hell to drive off the sulfur. Pitch the yeast. Other notes: If you get fresh Cider, make sure it has no preservatives (or you wont get fermentation). Whole foods market has UV pasteurized with no preservatives. UV pasteurized is preferable to heat pasteurized as it drives off less of the volatile aromatics. If you want sweet slightly carbonated cider add a tablespoon and 1/2 of Splenda per gallon when you bottle. The maltodextrine ferments and gives you a bit of sparkle, and the sucralose does not and provides sweetness.
f.l.u.x says: Oct 12, 2009. 2:10 PM
So, 1/2 Camden tablet for fresh squeezed cider made at home as a substitute to traditional heat pasteurization and no need for Camden tabs or heating if using store bought pasteurized cider, like the UV treated cider from Whole Foods?

If that's the case, with the UV pasteurized cider containing no preservatives, can you simply add the yeast and yeast nutrient and let the magic happen?

EricTheRed says: Nov 3, 2009. 1:32 PM
 someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that UV pasteurizing kills e-coli and other harmful bacteria while leaving the wild yeast unharmed. so theoretically if your cider has no preservatives and was UV pasteurized you do not even need to add the yeast or nutrient and just let the wild yeast do it's job.

i myself am just starting fermenting so i'm really just parroting other information i've found. i have 2 carboys so i'll be trying one with just the wild yeast and one with champagne yeast (no nutrient though) in the next day or so.
4stringed says: Jun 16, 2010. 10:50 PM
Seeing this I just had to comment as I know a good amout of UV pasteurization. Here's is the scientific mechanism of UV pasteurization (I'll give a full story for anyone that cares): UV light is a high energy form of light due to shorter wavelengths, X rays have even shorter wavelengths and gamma rays more so. This is why these rays are progressively more harmful. UV light is known as mutagenic meaning it can cause disruptions in DNA creating mutations as certain molecules in DNA can actually bind or stick together. As most things on earth are exposed to this radiation most cells in turn have repair mechanisms to sort out this damage. This means that cells can tolerate a certain amount of radiation before they start to accumulate mutations. FACT: In the micro lab we often use short bursts of UV radiation to create mutations However excessive DNA damage causing an accumulation of mutations is usually detrimental to the cell and it is this mechanism that sterilizes things in essence mutating cells to death. Although yeast cells are considerably more evolved than bacteria they are however just as vulnerable when it comes to UV pasteurization. So you would need to still add yeast to your cider
macky171 says: May 27, 2010. 9:04 AM
hi, ive just started to ferment my 1st batch of cider ever!! ive been reading all comments and am mostly interested in knowing more about bottling.
people are saying to just put it in plastic bottles in a cool place and add suger for carbonation, but if i did this would my plastic bottles not explode??
any help is greatly appreciated!!
thanks.
Alison K says: May 13, 2010. 11:20 AM
I did version 1 above:  homemade cider from locally grown apples and left them on the counter with a vapor lock for six months.  I just tried the results and it tastes like liquid applesauce.  The consistency is thicker, like a syrup but I can't taste any fermentation (neither booze-y nor vinegar-y).  Hmm.
Radke22 says: Apr 4, 2010. 12:27 PM
I have a question... If you skip the whole making the cider and use pure store-bought cider, what steps change?
nobody-really says: May 3, 2010. 3:52 PM
The problem with store bought cider is that it usually has preservatives that will inhibit yeast from fementing the cider. you may be able to get away with "Organic" store bought cider or juice.
newscrash says: May 3, 2010. 3:06 PM
What brand of yeast nutrient do you use?
scottyfon says: Mar 19, 2010. 3:06 PM
Stay away from benzoate. It poisons the pancreas leading to cancer and diabetes.
Search online for Orchards and your State, and the word cider, and you will find orchards that grind and press apples for cider, where you can purchase it unpasturized or flash pasturized, without any preservatives, and in bulk prices too. Make sure to add sugar to a specific weight of 1.10 or up to 1.2 and the yeast will produce alcohol in concentrations sufficient to sterilize the end product... except for possible contamination by vinegar yeasts which eat alcohol. The recommended campden is to prevent those vinegar yeasts. Cooking to pasturize is not recommended, as it will change the flavor to that of cooked apples, but flash pasturized cider will not have cooked flavor due to the very short time involved in the heating process.
cjo.streich says: Feb 23, 2010. 8:13 PM
I really like this project, but was wondering how strong the cider is.
askantik says: Feb 18, 2010. 10:40 AM
Hi, I've been checking this instructable out for a while but never made it down to a HBS.  Found some equipment for sale locally on Craigslist that might be just what I need to get started.  Can you tell me if this seems like a good deal (assuming, of course, that this stuff is in good condition)?  Your help is much appreciated.  Thanks :D

http://athensga.craigslist.org/for/1606345224.html
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Feb 18, 2010. 5:15 PM
 Wow, seems like a steal, actually. A typical 5 gallon carboy is like 30-40 dollars and a bench-capper is 20-30 the rest of the stuff is minimal in cost, but if it's in good shape, why not). Looks pretty sweet. Wish I could find something like that on Craigslist up here in NH. 
maynard2010 says: Feb 8, 2010. 7:34 AM
i'm currently making my first container of hard cider it is below 70 degrees and still bubbling. my question is it is almost done and has a wonderful sweet taste but has a carbonation to it. is there any way to get rid of the carbonation?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Feb 9, 2010. 8:56 AM
Maynard,

    I personally prefer a bubbly cider, but making still cider is relatively easy and will make bottling a little less hazardous. Once the cider has reached the appropriate alcohol levels and the fermentation has stopped/slowed to a crawl, rack the cider off, add one crushed campden tablet and leave it in a sealed carboy for 2 more weeks. The campden tablet will halt fermentation, preventing carbonation when it comes time to bottle and keeping the cider on the sweet side (the yeast will not be able to eat up excess sugar).

Bottle, allow to mature for 4-5 months, chill, serve.
maynard2010 says: Feb 10, 2010. 7:29 PM
I am making this cider in a 55 gallon drum. I had tasted another guys hard cider liked it so much that i ask for the recipe and did it just as his was made.(he also made 55 gal. at time.) The only difference was mine has the carbonation and his didn't. I only see this guy once or twice a yr if lucky so i cant ask him. So i was hoping someone on here could help me out. Thank you for any information anybody can give!
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Feb 10, 2010. 9:32 PM
 Wow. 55 gallons! You're going to need a lot more campden tablets for that.... 1 tablet per gallon should do the trick. 
hoppybeerboyp90x says: Feb 2, 2010. 9:31 AM
This is all very easy to understand for the most part. Thanks for the help. MWAH!
victorseven says: Jan 16, 2010. 10:25 AM

Why must the cider be racked off to undergo this next fermentation? Could it simply be left for another couple of weeks in the same container? I am told you should not expose cider to air but at some point in all that I read it says to move it ,thus exposing the cider to air????

I'm trying to make an all natural cider and have a lot of questions , the more I read the more questions I have?

actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Jan 16, 2010. 3:04 PM
You rack cider the first time to clarify it. This is a mechanical step (rather than a chemical step) because you are physically separating the cider from the mash and yeast that has sunk to the bottom. It's an important step though, since the sludge at the bottom is not something you'd want to drink in large amounts.

Some exposure to air at this point is fine because primary fermentation has ended and your product is about 98% as alcoholic as it will get, which means you're not so worried about your fragile yeast colony being taken over by harmful bacteria.

 AB
Bobbydog71 says: Dec 21, 2009. 12:29 AM
The reason for the airlock is to prevent any oxygen getting to the yeast and allowing the CO2 to escape. When exposed to oxygen, yeast multiplies. In an oxygen free environment, they produce CO2 and Ethanol. Which is what we want :) 
frenchstix says: Dec 10, 2009. 1:01 PM
Oh man! Sorry, but what kind of sugar would you recommend? Heard it's gotta be corn. Thanks!
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Dec 10, 2009. 1:38 PM
Yup, that all sounds about right to me. The only potential issue you might run into with using the glass jugs from Whole Foods (I know exactly the ones your thinking of), is that the lid might not form an airtight seal. Cork will work, provided you can find one large enough and have a method of getting the cork in there like a bench press (I imagine you'd want to use champagne corks, due to the pressure). I usually use .5 L flip- top bottles because they're less of a hassle to reuse.

 As for priming sugar, dextrose, glucose or sucrose will do the job (the former two being corn sugars). I've tried priming sugar, honey and brown sugar before (never white... something about it weirds me out). The only one I wouldn't recommend is honey. For some reason it just produce much carbonation, but that could have been due to human error.

AOS
frenchstix says: Dec 10, 2009. 1:48 PM
Cheers! Can't thank you enough.


frenchstix says: Dec 10, 2009. 12:46 PM
AOS,

I really appreciate the information, although I am still fuzzy on a few things:

1) So, after fermentation has stopped, you siphon out of the carboy, clean the carboy, and then put the cider back in to clear? Then, after it clears, siphon it into another container, add the sugar, and bottle it? I guess I could use another large container!

2) I bought the juice from Whole Foods in 1 Gallon glass containers. Can I bottle the cider in those? Will they be too weak? Is there a way to keep the carbonation in without capping? Maybe a cork or something. If not I can always go out and get a capper and some bottles.

Again, thanks for the info AOS.

- frenchstix
frenchstix says: Dec 10, 2009. 10:44 AM
I just put five gallons of juice and a pound of honey in a carboy with dry wine yeast. Got the airlock on and it's sitting in the basement.

I have a couple questions:

1) After it is done fermenting (SG of about 1.0) how do I use the rack and siphon. I get the siphon, but what is that cane for?

2) I am going to siphon it into the original glass containers (after sanitizing), but can I just leave those to clarify?

3) I have read that to get some carbonation you have to put in a little sugar before bottling. How much should I add so that I don't create a bomb?

4) Should I then age it bottled and carbonated or do age it before I put in the extra sugar?

I would appreciate any information from the experts. Thanks!

- Frenchstix
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Dec 10, 2009. 11:24 AM
Frenchstix,

1) The cane, assuming your using an auto-siphon, serves two purposes: It provides a more steady, controlled intake due to its rigid form (i.e. it's a lot easier to siphon off the booze without dipping into the yeast/mash at the bottom with a pole, rather than a flexible tube) and it provides a chamber to build up the pressure needed to start the siphon. If your cane looks like a wide section of tube with a smaller one inside of it that can slide in and out like a trombone, its an auto-siphon and to get it started, put the cane tip in the liquid and then pump the telescopic section in and out of it with the other end of the hose in your secondary container. Suction will build up inside of the chamber and pull the cider through the tube. After this you don't have to pump anymore. Physics will handle the rest.

 2) Not sure what you're asking here. Yes, you should sanitize your carboy before you put the cider back in and then allow it to clarify for another week before racking.

3) The rule of thumb is 1 Oz. of sugar for every gallon you fermented. 5 gallons, 5 oz.

4) You generally want to age your cider in the bottles with the priming sugar rather than in the carboy, simply because you may not have enough yeast left to finish bottle fermentation if you do. The result would be a still, overly sweet cider. 

 Hope that helps. Good luck! Sounds like you're in the game.

 AB
KateS52 says: Nov 6, 2009. 7:55 PM
I noticed that most of these comments are 1 year old but a few new ones...anyhow, I wonder if my cider doesn't bubble up and the yeast doesn't do it's job, can I re-cook it and do it again or is it a total waste and a run-on sentence? Has anybody tried this?
NoFiller says: Nov 7, 2009. 8:30 PM
What do you mean exactly? The yeast pretty well always works unless something goes really wrong. But if the yeast doesn't do anything after waiting at least 3-4 days you can add new yeast. There's no need to boil the juice again if everything was properly sanitized nothing will have changed.
KateS52 says: Nov 9, 2009. 8:29 PM
Thanks for asking NoFiller. Exactly what you said is what I meant. I used 1 tsp of yeast to 1 gal of juice. I am just asking a lot of questions because I have read a few different methods, all similar but  everyone has there own way. So when it comes to yeast I'm just real unsure. I have tried to make pizza dough several times and it is very fussy stuff.
Kate
daithiocoinnigh says: Nov 15, 2009. 4:03 AM
What type of years did you use?  the carboy should be kept at about room temp.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 30, 2009. 8:10 AM
Ehhh, it's probably fine :)

I would say it's unlikely that your cider will have been invaded by harmful bacteria in 30 hours. It's actually less likely than a lot of people think (though its certainly a possibility). The major reason to use a vaporlock, in addition to keeping bacteria out, is to prevent naturally occuring acetic bacteria (minute levels in your cider are pretty much unavoiable) from fermenting aerobically. Aerobic fermentation will cause your ethanol to turn into acetic acid (vinegar). By keeping the vapor lock on, the yeast creates a cabon dioxide atmosphere, which prevents acetic acid from producing vinegar. 
Nemmy says: Oct 31, 2009. 4:18 PM
Thank you! What a relief!

Also thank you for teaching us this!  Without you (and lifehacker) I may never have thought to homebrew! <3<3
Lunarpancake says: Oct 27, 2009. 12:25 PM
i agree ...DO NOT PASTEURIZE!!!!!

You can mix the nat yeast with your yeast and it will be fine. You are missing out on lots of natural flavors!
fredm says: Oct 9, 2008. 6:50 PM
Is is OK to use pasteurized cider? It's hard to find non-pasteurized in the store anymore (I live in MA).
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 9, 2008. 9:46 PM
Yes, you can use non-pasteurized cider, though you'll have to be careful and check what they've added to it on the back. If it contains Postaium sorbate (which will kill your yeast) or any artificial sweetener you can't use it. But I've heard of people making cider from Motts, which just goes to show it really doesn't matter what you start with as long as it has sugar in it, you'll get something that is at least alcoholic. Different materials will always yield different results. This instructable only shows how to make fresh, all natural, 100% hand made, organic cider from scratch. There is nothing wrong with taking this information and using different starting materials. All's fair in brewing and in the end if they taste the same, who cares?
cokebottle tuque says: Oct 25, 2009. 5:57 PM
I'm from Sterling Mass, just north of Worcester.  We have a local orchard that will press strait to your carboy, let me know if you want an address and I'll find it. Failing that there is a you pick em orchard on route 62 just west of 495(exit 26), they probably have a press and might fill carboys, I haven't checked myself  but I drive by them a couple of times a week and can ask if there is interest.
wiscobiscuit says: Oct 20, 2009. 7:20 AM
How do you "top off?"  I'm doing a 5 gal batch this time (first time w/ this recipe was fast and excellent, thank you!) and i like to check quality and gravity to see when it's ready for bottling, but obviously i'm losing (ok, drinking) some at that point.  Can store-bought cider be used or would the preservative be enough to stop fermentation?  Water?  Starter (kind of a pain to replace a few oz every few days)? 5 gallons is a much lower concentration of yeast than the 2 gal i did previously.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 20, 2009. 8:48 AM
 I've never really tried topping off my cider because I don't drink it until its finished fermenting :)

 As long as you only top off during primary fermentation, it shouldn't be an issue. The potassium sorbate will most likely end fermentation after this point (in fact, this is a great way to intentionally end fermentation, which may be useful in some cases).

Theoretically the yeast will just eat the sugar until the alcohol levels become high enough to turn the environment toxic and starve them to death (poor little guys). That's what you want. At best, it's an inexact science in the home setting (which is part of why homebrew is so exciting). Things get complicated when you start adding variables like this. I would say upping the yeast concentration might give you a little more leway, but you do run the risk of having a slightly yeasty brew if you don't properly rack and filter after the first fermentation or add enough cider in the topping. On the other hand, adding too much extra cider might result in incomplete fermentation. 

pdofoto says: Oct 16, 2009. 8:54 PM
 My personal opinion is to NOT pasturize, Instead I use juice that I know is fresh.. and often has been only through ultra violet treatment, that still leaves everything alive.  This leaves the option of fermenting with the natural yeast on the apples, the way it was originally done.  Some would call this "farmhouse" style, but depending on what strain of yeast is on your apples at the time you may get different flavors, and maybe not too tasty.  It was much more repeatable in the past, because each cider house crushed the same local apples, and with all the crushing and fermenting through the years, the building became alive with the dominate yeast strain.

In most cases I use good ole redstar as well, with the nutrient, by juice is never heated, never sulfited.  I feel that I want the true character of the fruit.  But, of course, do what feels comfortable to you.

I would also strongly recommend against the use of bleach [even diluted.. it's toxic], if you are making the trip to the homebrew store, they have several safe products for cleaning your bottles and tools.  I use B brite... which is an oxidizer...[similar to oxiclean].... and when you are done... it's basically harmless... but you do want a good rinse.

while I don't dose my juice, I do soak, scrub and rinse every vessel and tool and surface that is involved in the process.

In the spirit of Mr. Pollen, I encourage everyone to meet the people growing the apples you use, talk to them, look them in the eye.... and always return with a bottle of the finished product.
karmaghost says: Oct 20, 2009. 7:26 AM
I wouldn't totally rule out using bleach as a sanitizer; as long as you properly rinse after using it, you and the yeast will be safe.  If you leave behind toxic levels of it, you're likely to know as your yeast will die and you won't get hard cider at all.

However, that being said, I just used Star San for the first time when making my cider the other day and it is infinitely easier to use than a bleach solution.  It's a no-rinse acidic sanitizer that you don't even have to worry about the suds it makes after you're done (though I did rinse most of them away).  
karmaghost says: Oct 19, 2009. 1:00 PM
Ok, so I found cider that has been pasteurized and has NO potassium sorbate in it, so technically I have no need to heat the cider to 145 degrees on the stove.  HOWEVER, I'm wondering if I will need to "sanitize" the sugar before adding it to the cider.  In this case, I will have to heat at least some of the cider and then add the sugar so that I can kill whatever bacteria is chillin' out on the sugar itself.  Does this sound accurate?
karmaghost says: Oct 20, 2009. 7:18 AM
Well, I went ahead and just re-pasteurized the cider with the sugar dissolved in it.  I'm wondering now if it would have been easier to skip re-pasteurizing the cider and instead making a simple syrup with the sugar.  This way, you heat the sugar to a sanitary level and minimize any added water.
nworbekim says: Oct 17, 2009. 9:07 PM
good job on this!  i love apple cider...  i have a batch ready to bottle this coming tuesday... 

i'm not as scientific as you guys though... i'm using an old Mr. Beer keg i picked up at a yard sale for a few bucks, as my fermenting tank...   works great... already has the spigot so i don't have to siphon...

i'm thinking of trying some other fruits... an old timer down the road makes all kinds of different drinks using this method
nworbekim says: Oct 19, 2009. 3:18 PM

i stopped by a package store on the way home and when i couldn't find any hard cider, i asked the gal at the counter, turns out she loves the stuff and introduced me to her favorite.  when i got it home, i did an A - B taste test, the commercial brand VS my home brew...  guess what!!!  i LIKE MINE BETTER!!!   i think theirs is too sweet.  but i might be biased? ya think?  :)

MechEngineerMike says: Oct 16, 2009. 11:22 AM
   I like your instructable.   Helpful hint:
when your all done and you dont want your cider to continue to ferment, you can add a sorbate, i use potassium sorbate to stop fermentation. 
Also, you could easily turn this recipie into cyser (apple mead)  by using about 2 lbs of honey instead of sugar.
rubbit says: Sep 11, 2009. 6:14 PM
just wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to use irish moss to help clear the juice?? i know it's used for beer and thought it might work here?? just a thought
ichbinoadie says: Oct 14, 2009. 1:29 PM
Irish moss would work just fine, I think.  It's not some mysteriouschemical process that removes sediment in one liquid and not another, itjust drags the cloud down with it as it settles.
MrLouque says: May 4, 2009. 5:36 PM
you could also jack it which is putting it out in the cold to let the water freeze then pour out the non frozen alcohol. If you mix that with apple brandy you get the traditional Laird's applejack.
thedubbedmime says: Oct 14, 2009. 7:20 AM
hey thanks! i never thought of that. i think i'll do that with my next batch.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 14, 2009. 8:50 AM
Yeah, my most recent batch came out a little too acidic for regulardrinking (like applecider vinegar mixed with champaign. Messed up theaerobic process somehow...) but it's got plenty of alcohol content(around %8) so I think I'm going to cut my losses andmake apple jack. Could be worse :) 
carnivoracious says: Oct 1, 2009. 8:33 PM
What about sodium benzoate? I looked the compound up on Wikipedia and the article says it's fungistatic (prevents reproduction of yeasts, like potassium sorbate). I'm wondering because a local grocery store has gotten in a truckload of cider in, but the cider contains both PS and SB. Would creating a starter yeast culture overcome this? Furthermore, why would an orchard use both preservatives if they both do the same thing?
thedubbedmime says: Oct 14, 2009. 7:08 AM
yes it can but it make take longer and will most likely need more yeast.it's not as easy as the other way but will work.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 1, 2009. 10:19 PM
I believe Sodium Benzoate is also added to reduce the likelihood of Ecoli developing in your cider. It's a pretty tenacious little bacteria and I believe it is much like yeast in that it occurs naturally in apple skins (this is one of the major problems with using the old "chuck a piece of apple skin in some juice and let the yeast work its trick" technique) I read a study inwhich they used both SB and PS, in addition to keeping cider at 35 C for 6 hrs and then freezing and thawing it to ensure that all active Ecoli bacteria was dead. I'm guessing the cider company you are refering to used a similar technique. I don't know for sure if sodium benzoate can be worked around using a starter, but it's certainly worth a try, at least on a small batch. That way you only stand to lose like 6 dollars if it doesn't work out :)
carnivoracious says: Oct 1, 2009. 11:02 PM
Yikes! E-coli, apples are dangerous! I honestly had no idea about the e-coli bacteria, though doubling up on preservatives certainly makes sense from that standpoint, particularly if unfermented cider is being shipped or shelved for any length of time.

Thanks on the prompt response, though (it's actually late enough here that I'm seeing the infomercial for the Jack La Lane power juicer, ahh irony). I'll give the grocery store cider a shot, and luckily there's an organic food store nearby if it doesn't.
EnsPulver says: Oct 13, 2009. 4:39 PM
 Bought the Jack LaLane Power Juicer and have been very happy with it.
Works well and is easy to clean.  Had another brand and prefer Jack's.
That surprised me.  Go for it.
EnsPulver
wenpherd says: Aug 3, 2009. 7:42 PM
how many people here that are planing to make this is under the age of 21
m3harri says: Oct 1, 2009. 1:18 PM
I wish I had this resource when I was 16 it would have saved me a lot of trouble and money.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 1, 2009. 3:17 PM
Yeah, oddly enough you don't have to be 21 to buy homebrew supplies from homebrew stores. At least that's the case in NH...
wenpherd says: Oct 2, 2009. 8:04 AM
yeah that is kinda odd and cool at the same time
dosher says: Sep 20, 2009. 2:00 PM
1.5 teaspoons of pectic enzyme in the must (unfermented cider) will also clear it very nicely - I did this last year and got a crystal clear, very tasty cider.
klaad3 says: Sep 14, 2009. 5:21 PM
What is the percentage?
vernors says: Oct 14, 2008. 2:57 PM
do you need the yeast nutrient?
grimcat27 says: Nov 24, 2008. 1:22 PM
rasins work and prpigateing your yeat befor pitching works well too
angiliyskibashi says: Sep 14, 2009. 3:31 PM
how would you use raisins? add at the same time as the yeast?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 14, 2008. 5:32 PM
Well, you don't really need it, but it makes your yeast more efficient and you can get it for about 1.50 at most homebrew stores.
vernors says: Sep 13, 2009. 2:52 PM
5 lb red delicious 9 lb grany smith 3lb macintosh 3lb royal gala this is a very good combination. i'd suggest you try it.
slapz says: Sep 7, 2009. 5:22 PM
If you pick up the apples from the ground and they happen to have a few worms in them, will this affect the taste?
Nemesis201077 says: Aug 30, 2009. 11:39 AM
I'm going to use this process, but make Perry, a Cider (Hard) using Pears. I have a conference pear tree in my garden which has a bumper crop this year. I've been told Champagne, or Winemakers yeast will work best for this project. Thanks for the original upload.
guy90 says: Aug 17, 2009. 12:29 PM
Thanks for the upload, and tips featured here :)
skankin4change says: Aug 17, 2009. 9:57 AM
could i use a cloth or a very fine sieve to separate the sediment? thanks
cbanta says: Jan 15, 2009. 11:00 AM
Does anyone see any problems with using a water cooler jug?
estebbins says: May 28, 2009. 11:59 AM
Not at all... As long as it's food grade and you follow the sanitization instructions in the same ratio (1/2 cap bleach per gallon of H2O). Of course, water bottles are food grade.
discontinuuity says: May 16, 2009. 11:37 AM
Anyone have tips for finding cheap apples? I live in Colorado, where there aren't many apple orchards. There are plenty of crab-apple trees, but I doubt that would taste too good.
FryChampagne says: May 28, 2009. 10:46 AM
Actually, crab apples will work. But they are usually used in small amounts to add to the flavor. You should try and make is with only crab apples if you have a free source.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~gunning/scrumpy/makingit.html
strmrnnr says: Apr 4, 2009. 11:01 PM
I have another question on the yeast. As some are saying that the yeast is finishing its work in a couple of days rather then a week due to the large amount of yeast compared to the sugars - Can't we add less yeast say half and let it work longer? Also for a larger batch - shouldn't a small amount of yeast work as well? As the yeast grows it should still reproduce to consume the sugars until the alcohol content is too high. It should just take loonger for the process to finish. This question came up as I plan on trying this new turbo yeast. The stuff is expensive. I don't think the quantity of the yeast should be a factor, but the quality of the yeast. I would like to us a small portion of the pack and let the yeast grow over a longer period, but still get the 20% content the label discibes. Also if I can do 8 batches from one pouch rather than 1 would be great as I had to pay close to 8/pouch for it. It is supposed to eat 8kg of sugars in 48 hours. I'll 2 weeks if it works. Also what do you guys think of the idea of transferring yeast culture from batch to batch. If you have a good yeast and want to reuse it some could you take a scoop off the top of a working mash and add it to a new mash? Just asking.
strmrnnr says: Apr 4, 2009. 11:11 PM
As an added note here I thought of something else concerning the reuse or transfer of yeast. If any of you long time brewers try this or have tried this. Do you think the yeast may mutate? Do you think this is how they came up with a yeast that can withstand 20% rather than 15% maximum alcohol content? Do you think it may mutate in a bad way, causing possible sickness?
Spokehedz says: Oct 8, 2008. 9:25 AM
If you add an acid--such as Vitamin C tablet crushed up, then it will help reduce the browning of the cider so much. However, you will never get the jewel-clear hard cider that you purchase in stores.
Noodle93 says: Feb 9, 2009. 12:38 AM
It's called a clearing agent. They use it in beer to make it seem really clear. Pure chemicals :).
kenbilger says: Jan 26, 2009. 6:59 PM
What temperature would you suggest?
tom79 says: Dec 23, 2008. 4:19 PM
Will regular brewers yeast work. And will you need the nutrient. Also what is the difference between regular baking yeast and brewers yeast. why can't you use regular baking yeast?
bob.smitty says: Dec 24, 2008. 1:51 PM
Brewers and Champagne yeast won't impart a "yeasty" or acid flavor that the regular baking yeast will. It will ferment all the same, and make alcohol too (it was common to use this yeast to make beer during the prohibition) but it will be off flavor. You'd be better off letting the natural yeasts of the apples take over (skip the sterilization or campden tablets step.) Yeast comes in many, many strains, even for beers and wines. For a couple of bucks even for the premium ones it's not worth the risk.
tom79 says: Jan 16, 2009. 7:40 PM
thanks for the info. had issues with my account and could not get into my messages for a while that is why this is so far from your comment date but thank you very much. this is hopefuly going to be my winter hobby.
HellfireJack says: Jan 14, 2009. 10:32 AM
bob.smitty, I know you're not advocating the fermentation be done naturally but I'd like to point out that it is not a good idea to use the natural yeast from the apples to ferment. I'd hate to see someone get the wrong idea. There are harmful yeast cultures in the air and on things like apples (not to mention bacteria like E. Coli.) that could wind up being a major ingredient in your cider. This can, at the very least, make you sick. At the very worst with things like E. Coli you could wind up dead. Equipment should be clean and sanitized and the must (apple juice and slurry in this case) should be pastuerized. With brewing the best results will come from the cleanest environment.
jokerlz says: Dec 4, 2008. 12:48 PM
Good instructible, I am going to try this soon. Hello from "old" hampshire btw
paman says: Nov 8, 2008. 7:43 AM
I didnt use any yeast and its real cloudy should should I take whats on the top(Clear part) do I need to boil it or anything?
grimcat27 says: Nov 24, 2008. 1:20 PM
You need to pasturize your must(wine,meed,cider) befor you ferment. Remember to sanitize every thing very well and always use a yeast packet wet yeast is better then dry but it will still work well. Real spontaneus fermentation is not a good thing it can make you sick or your finishd product tast bad and wast your time
paman says: Nov 25, 2008. 10:06 AM
yeah found out hard way me and my buddy bottled it and I keep saying lets do an alcohal test but he wanted to hurry and bottle it (his first time getting to bottle) well we did a test with last of it and it was zero percent lol but I will follow the steps next year and use yeast! we are making wine and have racked it once and its bubbling looks really good and smells great I just love making alchol its a very fun and rewarding hobby! thanks for the help !
vernors says: Oct 7, 2008. 5:12 PM
how do you use a length of tubing and a cup with water to make a vapor lock.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 7, 2008. 6:40 PM
Vernors, Thanks for you comment. I forgot to add that in. It is now in the section on yeast. Basically all you do is put one end of the tubing in your stopped (making an airtight seal, just like in a normal vapor lock) and the other end in a glass of water. When the build up of gas reaches the atmospheric pressure on the water, the gas will rise to the top in the form of bubbles, just like in a normal style vapor lock.
vernors says: Oct 8, 2008. 4:29 PM
does the fermentation tank have to be glass.
grimcat27 says: Nov 24, 2008. 1:23 PM
no
vernors says: Oct 8, 2008. 10:24 AM
can you show me an example. and can you use a blender for a juicer
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 8, 2008. 4:50 PM
Sure. What you're going to do is basically create a gas trap like you would when creating hydrogen gas in Chem class. They look like this:

http://acpcommunity.acp.edu/Facultystaff/hass/oc2web/Lab/exp/sulfa/image23.jpg

Keep in mind the flask on the left would have to have a hole in its stopper to allow the gas to leave, and the tube would have to be submerged in the water.

Another option is to use a balloon (a very large balloon) with a tiny hole in it

http://www.cavemanchemistry.com/cavebook/images/figmead4.jpg

Yes. You can use a blender to juice your apples, though this is going to be very labor intensive. A juicer seperates pulp from juice, so you only need to squeeze the pulp to get the excess juice still left in it, where as with a blender you would need to squeeze all of your juice from pulp. At this point it will probably be less of a hassle to just buy a gallon of unpasteurized fresh cider from a local orchard. It's only about 5.50 and definitely worth it for the time it'll save you.

No, the tank does not have to be glass, though it does have to be of food grade material (i.e. food grade plastic or glass). Many home brew stores sell 5 gallon buckets made of food grade plastic that will be a lot cheaper than glass. If you use regular plastics you could experience BPA leaching or even lead contamination, which causes all kinds of problems from dead yeast to poor flavor to cancer and other medical problems. Always make sure your container is safe to use with food.
vernors says: Oct 9, 2008. 9:38 AM
what about a 1 gallon jug plasticof milk
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 9, 2008. 10:15 AM
Eh, I don't know...I have heard of people using milk jugs as fermentation tanks, though I've never tried it myself. I would be a little wary of any plastic that is not specifically made for brewing. Milk bottles are technically food-grade plastic, so they'll probably work, but at the very least I wouldn't reuse them for multiple brews.
grimcat27 says: Nov 24, 2008. 1:27 PM
be carefull cuz what you brew may be to acidic and eat thrue it quickly
nathangrn says: Oct 9, 2008. 5:35 PM
You can use a balloon with a pin hole in it for a cheap homemade vapor lock.
grimcat27 says: Nov 24, 2008. 1:25 PM
I think you can even use cotton in the top of the tank. I know for shure that it is used to make a port
PATSY001 says: Oct 13, 2008. 9:09 PM
you can also use a non-lubricated, non-spermicidal latex condom, if you find that you are having difficulty stretching the balloon across the opening.
vernors says: Oct 9, 2008. 10:44 AM
im still confused about the vapor lock. do you even need a vapor lock? why do you need a vapor lock?
grimcat27 says: Nov 24, 2008. 1:28 PM
too keep co2 in and wild yeast bacteria out and o2 uot also and bug out
Kozz says: Oct 9, 2008. 12:59 PM
Additionally, it prevents airborne wild yeasts from entering your carboy and contributing off-flavors (or worse, making you sick).
devophill says: Oct 9, 2008. 11:52 AM
The yeast produces gas, and you need to let the gas escape or your container could explode. (maybe not a fireball, but it'd pop for sure.)
vernors says: Oct 9, 2008. 12:40 PM
then couldnt you just leave the top open and not have to use the vapor lock at all.
devophill says: Oct 9, 2008. 1:32 PM
What Kozz said You'll get random junk in your cider. Make you seeeeeeck.
aterphasma says: Oct 9, 2008. 1:16 PM
No, you shouldn't do this. The vapor lock not only allows the gas produced from fermentation out, it also prevents contaminating particulates or gases from going in. A vapor lock of some sort is essential to proper home brewing and it's not recommended to leave it out.
mattress says: Oct 9, 2008. 1:14 PM
you also want to keep other contaminants, wild yeast and bacteria out of your cider while it's fermenting (especially for the secondary fermentation) if your wine/cider yeast culture gets invaded by some other yeast or worse, bacteria you're going to end up with something unpleasant to undrinkable.
triplenine says: Oct 9, 2008. 1:28 PM
Or something wildly delicious like a lambic or geuze!

Vernors, it might be best to take a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation_lock You can pick up a bunch of different types online or at your local homebrew supplier along with a drilled stopper to fit the top of your brewing vessel. 5 bucks well spent.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation_lock
grimcat27 says: Nov 24, 2008. 1:37 PM
try gotmead.com
DutyRD says: Oct 9, 2008. 3:55 PM
Years ago I used a big balloon as a vapor lock. Just put the neck of the balloon over the mouth of the jug. The balloon will get really big. However as the fermentation rate slows the balloon will deflate as the CO2 passes through the walls of the balloon at a rate faster than the gas is produced by the yeast. Be sure to put your jug in a place that has enough room for the inflated balloon.
mattress says: Oct 10, 2008. 5:41 AM
make sure your balloon is very stretchy if you go this route. It's not hard for the pressure to simply pop the balloon right off the top of your container leaving it exposed to the air. Conveniently, this will more often happen in the middle of the night or while you're at work to maximize the amount of contamination time. beofre you fix the problem. ;) you can also try poking a very small hole in your balloon to prevent this from happening but then you're still risking contamination but it's at least minimized. Seriously though, unless you've got some balloons lying around a ferm lock is not much more expensive than a package of balloons.
docdoofus says: Jan 4, 2009. 11:11 PM
We used some latex gloves and rubber bands when we made wine last year. If the glove explodes it can be messy, but not as messy as an exploded jug!
barn619 says: Sep 15, 2010. 7:59 AM
Hi,

Just found this thread and with all of the brewing knowledge displayed here I really hope it is still alive.

I'm started my first batch of apple cider 9 days ago and plan to bottle tonight, so I'd appreciate any quick recommendations.

I used all natural apple juice from Henry’s and regular baker’s yeast for this 6 gallon batch. I realize that baker’s yeast is not the best yeast for cider but it worked for a friend and I wanted to get started without hitting a homebrew shop. The airlock started going crazy after a couple of hours so I knew I’d done something right.

I tasted it a couple days ago and the cider is very dry. My wife liked it but I prefer something a little sweeter. What I’d like to do is bottle half of the cider (about 3 gallons) as is and I’d like to sweeten the other 3 gallons a bit before bottling. Need advice about how to bottle and sweeten. I have a siphoning tube and a funnel. For the first 3 gallons (non-sweetened) my plan is to add half a teaspoon regular white cane sugar to each bottle (22 oz) and then siphon the stuff directly from the carboy into the bottle (using the funnel). For the remaining 3 gallons, how should I sweeten it before siphoning into bottles and how much sugar should I add to each bottle for the carbonation? I was thinking I could heat up and dissolve a cup or two of sugar in water and pour that directly into the carboy and mix it around. Then siphon into the bottles. 1) How much sugar should I add to the 3 gallons to sweeten it up a bit? I want it sweeter than the non-sweetened cider but don’t want to overdo it. Is 2 cups to much? 2) How much sugar should I add to the bottles for the carbonation? I think it should be a little less than the half teaspoon I used for the non-sweetened ones because I will add sugar to the cider in the carboy, or do I even need to add any sugar to the bottles because the fresh sugar in the cider will be enough to carbonate it.

This rookie greatly appreciates your quick responses!

Thanks!
brian


barn619 says: Sep 15, 2010. 9:45 AM
Great advice. Definitely do not want bottle bombs so I won't add sugar directly to the cider. I don't have xylitol and really don't have time to go out tonight.

Could I use an herbal sweetner like Stevia? We have some of that in the house.

What about an artificial sweetner like Splenda?

But I do love the taste of sugar and don't want the cider to taste too far off rom it.

I suppose I could measure a little sweetner directly into a bottle with cider to see how it will taste, and if I like it I can just do the same for the remaining bottles.

Or I can just add sugar to taste afterwards opening the bottle as you suggested.

I'll experiment tonight and let you know how it goes.

Thanks!
brian
mattress says: Sep 15, 2010. 10:27 AM
You could try stevia, I use it a lot in my tea though when I tried to sweeten some lime/mint mojito wine I made it also added a bit of a bitter flavor, but don't let that discourage you from experimenting with it.

I've also heard of people using splenda to sweeten wine. Do some experimentation and let us know.

Matt
mattress says: Sep 15, 2010. 8:12 AM
if you add more sugar to sweeten you are running the risk of creating bottle bombs since the yeast will eat all of the sugar and create a lot more CO2. You can sort of prevent this by putting your sweetened cider under refrigeration 3-5 days after bottling with excess sugar. But I really don't recommend doing that, it's still very dangerous.

You could sweeten your cider with something that yeast doesn't ferment. Lactose (milk sugar) isn't fermented by yeast and you can buy that at a home brew store. I've also heard of people having luck with xylitol or other sugar alcohol based sweetners.

otherwise you could always just bottle it all dry and sweeten the cider after you open a bottle.
obscenesimian says: Nov 6, 2008. 6:42 PM
FYI Cloudiness from boiling is caused by the pectin in the apples. Campden tablets, 1 crushed per gallon release sulfur dioxide which kills wild yeast. Adding additional sugar while using champagne yeast will not necessarily cause a sweeter finished product. Champagne yeast attenuates well, which means it will use up all sugars, leaving little to sweeten after it is done fermenting. Champagne yeast can produce up to 15% alcohol by volume, depending on the amount of sugar present prior to fermentation.
cannibal_hect0r says: Oct 8, 2008. 10:16 AM
A note on pasteurizing your cider 165 degrees for 15 to 30 seconds will kill bacteria, including yeast. if you have a kitchen thermometer (digital) then you should be good to go, just babysit the pot. If you have an analog (not digital) thermometer then you should calibrate it in a glass of ice water to make sure it's accurate. should read 32 degrees in the ice water.
Aleksandr Skotbot says: Oct 29, 2008. 1:52 AM
When I worked at a coffee shop, we did this to calibrate our thermometers, but it only works if the ice is touching the bottom of the glass. Too much water will raise the temperature.
fritsie123 says: Nov 5, 2008. 12:16 PM
Best way to do this, is to let a cup of ice-cubes melt almost completely. As long as there is still some ice in the water, it will be 32 Fahrenheit (equal to 0 Celsius) by definition. Just remember to stir the water/cubes just before measuring. The other end of the scale can be calibrated by putting the thermometer in boiling water. It should read 212 Fahrenheit (equal to 100 Celsius).
hcold says: Oct 9, 2008. 12:53 AM
0 Degrees Celsius 32 Degrees Fahrenheit
zygomatic says: Oct 29, 2008. 9:02 PM
Still love this idea, we started making some a couple weeks ago and racked it today (it actually stopped bubbling a few days ago, we only used one packet of yeast). We tried a little bit and it's pretty dry, but it has a nice bit of a burn to it. Is there any way to tell how much alcohol is in it? Would the hydrometer method work? We'd probably have to try that next batch though since we didn't measure the sugars before fermenting.
chuckr44 says: Nov 5, 2008. 11:06 AM
Yes, I think a brewer's hydrometer will work. They measure the density of the liquid, and the percent of alcohol. They also sell hydrometers/hygrometers for saltwater tanks. With a little calculation, you could probably use the specific gravity of the saltwater hygrometer to calculate the percent of alcohol. I have no idea how to do that though.
vernors says: Nov 4, 2008. 2:31 PM
my packet of yeast makes up to 5 gallons but my fermentation tank is only a half gallon. should i use the whole packet or just use 1/10 of it? and can you use dry lager yeast/
xdomhnallx says: Oct 23, 2008. 2:21 PM
Ok, so I read very carefully how to do this and I am giving it a try. I added my yeast and yeast nutrient on Monday night, everything has been going great! Today I get home from work and it was no longer bubbling. Does that mean the yeast has already done it's job in 3 1/2 days??? I took my vapor lock off and cleaned it and put it back on and it seems that the little bit of movement of the jug got things moving again (1 bubble every 8-10 seconds). It was bubbling much more just this morning, does this sound normal? Would also like to note that a couple of times the foan created by the yeast acutually came up into my vapor lock. I was told that this can be normal.
jedij585 says: Oct 25, 2008. 6:45 PM
I just 'racked' my cider and for the last 7 days or so I only had a bubble every 20 seconds or so. I spoke to a guy in a brewing store and he said that is very normal.
xdomhnallx says: Oct 26, 2008. 5:03 PM
I emailed my local brew shop, Adventures in Brewing, (http://www.homebrewing.org)and the guy said that the packet of yeast was for a 6 gallon batch and that because a 1 gallon batch is so small that it did all of the fermentation in 3 days. If it had been 6 gallons then it would have taken 18 days. Makes since to me I guess. I am just getting ready to rack mine now. We will see how it goes! Good luck to all who try this!
netbuddy says: Oct 11, 2008. 2:34 PM
Not reading this fully, you mention that apple juice turns brown. To stop this you can add lemon juice or concentrated lemon juice to the apple juice to prevent it oxidizing too quick. This is something I picked up from making apple pies, I couldn't work out why the apple pies were turning before cooking. I found the answer in a very very old cookery book that belonged to my Grandmother back in the 30's As the amount needed is small, it should not sour or alter the acidity and will very likely boil off in pasteurizing.
discontinuuity says: Oct 22, 2008. 8:13 PM
The citric acid might kill the yeast, though. I don't think that (minor) oxidation changes the flavor much.
netbuddy says: Oct 24, 2008. 12:22 AM
I doubt that would hinder the yeast from doing its job. The citric in the lemon stops the oxidation from occurring, the amount needed is small.
toxonix says: Oct 23, 2008. 1:17 PM
If ya freeze the rezults, then take the ice out, what you got left is called 'apple jack'. Needless to say it will probably git you pretty jacked!
Evilslinkycat says: Oct 23, 2008. 5:58 AM
:) I'm going to have to get some apples and yeast this weekend and give it a try. Love Cider :D thanks!
discontinuuity says: Oct 22, 2008. 8:43 PM
I'm currently fermenting a couple gallons of cider. One way to add tannin and nutrients for the yeast is to add a strong cup of black tea (I used Golden Yunan for its somewhat malty flavor). You can also add sugar by adding apple juice concentrate with half the prescribed amount of water.
Elfmaze says: Oct 13, 2008. 4:18 PM
After primary fermentation. Can you carbonate the drink in 2 litter PET bottles? like coke bottles with schrader valves in the lids that you can pump CO2 in? I have made seltzer this way but not sure about cider. When would i bottle it in this case?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 13, 2008. 7:34 PM
I've never tried this method, but you can very easily make sparkling cider by adding a the following steps at bottling time: boil a cup of water with 3/4 of a cup of honey or brown sugar (less or more depending on brew). Allow to cool to room temperature and pour out into a fermentation bucket (a sanitary bucket with a spigot at the bottom to make bottling a little easier. Siphon your cider into the fermentation bucket and bottle the mixture. Let the bottles sit for about a week or two so that the residual yeast left over from fermentation has time to metabolize the extra sugar in your bottles. Because the CO2 is not allowed to escape, it will build up and create carbonation. Just make sure you cork it/cap it tightly or it might explode! (motherearthnews.com)
discontinuuity says: Oct 22, 2008. 8:10 PM
I think 3/4 cup of sugar is usually for a 5 gallon batch. So that would be 2.4 tablespoons per one gallon (US). I prefer to use little sugar pills that you add directly to the bottles.
vernors says: Oct 10, 2008. 2:44 PM
hat is its proof?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 13, 2008. 7:25 PM
I don't have a hydrometer, so I haven't tested my brew before, but most commercial ciders are around 12 proof (6% alcohol by volume), so I would imagine that my recipe is somewhere in this ballpark, plus or minus a few depending on if you added extra sugar and, if so, how much you added.
vernors says: Oct 13, 2008. 4:06 PM
can you show some pictures for step six?
HiroProtagonist says: Oct 12, 2008. 3:12 PM
Experienced brewer here:

Don't be put off by the comments about wild yeast - I've had a lot of success fermenting apples with wild yeasts - remember, people made booze this way for thousands of years.

Containers - use only glass, brewing grade plastic, *glazed* pottery or stainless steel - do not use aluminium, it will be attacked by the acid in your brew.

An airlock is vital because not only does it let gas out and keep contaminating bacteria out, it also keeps the brew anaerobic, this prevents oxidation of the brew and even more important prevents your brew turning into vinegar [an aerobic process]. Get an airlock - they're cheap.

Sparrowhawk says: Oct 9, 2008. 4:21 PM
Suggestion: In England hard cider is known as just cider, and cider is called apple juice. Maybe say something to this effect at the beginning to avoid confusing people like me? :p I love (hard) cider. I'm going to have to try this :)
matthewabel says: Oct 12, 2008. 7:42 AM
But in America where we like to confuse even ourselves, we have cider and juice and hard cider. Cider is typically cloudy juice and generally has a tarter taste than the juice. Hard Cider is what you call cider. And there are many, many people who will argue with you about apple juice and apple cider being two completely different things, even though they typically don't have much difference in taste.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 9, 2008. 5:44 PM
Sparrowhawk, Thanks for the suggestion. I had thought about adding a little disambiguation at the beginning, but It didn't occur to me that I might have international readership :) I'll have to put that in.
byoho says: Oct 10, 2008. 9:14 AM
Nice. Coupla things to add. Cooking works, but changes flavor. I prefer the campden tablets to retain the "fresh" flavor, but then again, I'm not sensitive to sulfites. Note on applejack. Not that I've ever done it, but if you fill a 2 litre soda bottle with fermented cider about 2/3, leaving room for freeze expansion, leave it in your freezer for a night, you get a slushy ice mix. Remove cap, put it upside down in a large glass or mug, and let it slowly drain the concentrated alcohol into the glass. Takes about 10-20 minutes depending. Just keep tasting the drops till they don't taste "alcoholly" anymore. Sweeten with sugar to taste. Dispose of remaining ice slush. It will still be appley, but mostly water. Most of the solids will remain in the ice, so the "drippings" will be nearly crystal clear. MMMMMMMMMMMM, or so I imagine. Go easy with it, the methyl alcohols and fusel oils have also been concentrated, and you WILL feel it in the morning.
netbuddy says: Oct 11, 2008. 2:38 PM
Hmmm.... In some countries doing that would be illegal. Processing, decanting or other process to remove or concentrate alcohol often requires a licence and extra tax / duty to be paid. I would first check with your own countries statute laws on this issue.
RaynoGernsback says: Oct 10, 2008. 4:21 AM
Weird, I just was about to put up an instructable for the cider i've been making. Creepy! Anyway, great instructable, even if it's a bit fussier than the down-home Dorset scrumpy of us simple country folk. A word on apple picking- eating apples contain very little tannin, so it's a good idea to introduce some. The easiest (and best) method is to add some crab apples. Lots of people grow crab apples anyway, as they increase pollenation of maincrop apples, but don't eat them, so (like me) you can help yourself with their permission. Good plan. I doubt pineapple-based "cider" will work- pineapples contain a powerful protease enzyme which wil munch up all your yeast proteins. It's effects are similar to papayin- the enzyme found in papaya. Workers in papaya canning factories have to wear gloves to prevent it digesting their fingers. Eww!
ddelia says: Oct 10, 2008. 3:14 AM
Great recipe! I only have 1 suggestion from a Good ol' Vermont Sugarmakerm replace the brown sugar with Maple sugar.
m3harri says: Oct 9, 2008. 10:14 PM
You could save the pulp for the hogs also
MisterMissanthrope says: Oct 9, 2008. 10:13 PM
Can i get the stopper and vapor lock at a homebrew supply store as well or should i look elsewhere? nice instructable.
zygomatic says: Oct 9, 2008. 7:01 PM
Love the Instructable, will definitely have to try it, I can taste the hard cider now. What kinds of carboys are good? Will the yeast/ethanol be reactive to anything beside glass? Will pastic/nalgene work? Metal, probably not. Are there any good places to get a carboy cheap? What's the shelf life on the finished product?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 9, 2008. 10:05 PM
Oh, and I wouldn't recommend using a Nalgene, just because of the recent issues they've had with BPA leaching. Not something you want in your cider (in fact I'm skeptical of any plastic that's not specifically made for brewing and generally just stick to glass). And you're correct. Metal will not work.
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 9, 2008. 9:57 PM
They make fermentation tanks and carboys out of plastics specifically designed to hold up to brewing, but honestly you can use just about anything as long as it's made of food-grade material. It just depends on how much of a risk you want to take (there was a comment about a gallon milk jug which I'm a little wary of, though I've heard it done before). Personally I think that the 1 gallon Carlo Rosie jugs are good, especially if you were going to buy cheap wine for a party or something anyway. They're 12 dollars at your local supermarket, give or take and are very high quality. Other than that I would look into your local brew stores. If you're in MA, I recommend Modern Home Brew Emporium on Mass Ave. in Cambridge (Davis Sq. T-Stop). They're amazingly knowledgeable (just tell them you're brewing cider and they'll tell you more than you ever wanted to know) and have 3 gallon glass carboys for 23 dollars and safe-plastic fermentation buckets for even less, I believe. As for shelf life, once its bottled, if bottled properly, it should last at least a year. After that point I'd play it safe, though I think it has a relatively good shelf life and like wine, its flavor improves with age.
mattress says: Oct 9, 2008. 1:19 PM
Campden tables are generally made of sodium metabisulfite or potassium metabisulfite, what they do is they prevent yeast and other bacteria from reproducing and thus they die off. If you decide to use this method add 1 crushed campden tablet per gallon of cider and let it sit for at least 24 hours before you add your own yeast. If you add the campden and your yeast at the same time you'll just kill off your own yeast along with the others.
orthopteroid says: Oct 9, 2008. 7:37 PM
My dad has to be careful not to drink brew that contains sulphites or it inflames his asthma. This is not just homebrew but some kinds of wines as well. If you're not allergic to sulphites (like me) you can still be affected by ingesting too much, say, after not cleaning your equipment well enough - resulting in severe bellyache after a few bottles. No fun!
Staples says: Oct 9, 2008. 7:12 PM
Don't add sugar to sweeten you cider after it's completed fermenting unless you're killed off all the yeast with campden tablets. This sugar gets fermented and becomes alcohol and CO2, If your container is sealed then "pop" you could get a cracked growler / carboy. I've heard of a few people on the brew forums using small amounts of artificial sweetener because it's non able to be fermented by the yeast. I've been a home brewer for over a year and my fist cider I made was a blueberry cider that I wrecked, now I want to try it again on a 1 gal batch instead of 5gal. Thanks for the motivation : )
sumrall72830 says: Oct 8, 2008. 9:15 AM
Does anyone know if pineapples will work? During peak harvest time they can be had for $0.06 a kilogram where I live.
greendeane says: Oct 9, 2008. 4:06 PM
enzymes (bromelin) in pineapple will kill the yeast unless you deactivate it by heating the pineapple juice. Otherwise you could add lots of crushed chillies and leave the juice for a few days, chillies counteract the protein digesting qualities of the bromelin. Do some research on bromelin and see what you could do to stop it eating your yeast.
mattress says: Oct 9, 2008. 1:11 PM
I've heard of people making pineapple wine before, though I've never done it myself. A good place to look and ask questions is the winepress.us forums. Balancing the acid would be the biggest challenge I think.
PKM says: Oct 8, 2008. 9:51 AM
I'd be a little concerned about the acid level killing the yeast or not letting it work properly- certainly I've never heard of alcohol made directly from pineapple. There's no harm in trying, even if it doesn't work you are only down the cost of a few pineapples and a packet of yeast. As mikeasaurus points out, it's no biggie if you have too much yeast while the product is fermenting, unless you add so much it foams out of the airlock. Why not try it and see what happens? Whatever you get, I'd be interested to hear it. actsofsubterfuge- do you know how to make applejack? I tried freeze concentrating some clear (alcoholic) cider a while back but I think my icebox was too cold, it didn't work very well. Perhaps my clear-ice machine would help...
baronbrian says: Oct 9, 2008. 11:49 AM
Cold doesn't matter too much. Ethanol doesn't freeze until −114.3°C. What happens is that when you freeze it, you're taking water out of the mixture so you up the concentration of the alcohol just a little bit more. So while you do lose a little bit (it gets trapped up in the ice) you do make it a the proof a little stronger. With that said, I'd avoid doing this. You'll concentrate some of the less savory byproducts of alcohol production (it's why applejack is well known for hang overs) and it may be illegal to do where you are (if I remember correctly, the ATF considers it a form of distillation and hence, illegal without a license).
PKM says: Oct 9, 2008. 2:01 PM
I meant it froze too quickly, so a lot of the goodies were trapped in the ice mush- if it froze more slowly it would be more likely to freeze out just the water and leave all the delicious methanol and fusels, but as it was my yield of liquid was terrible but I had a lot of slightly cidery mush left over. I'm not too worried (read: not at all worried) about the illegality because those laws are really to stop illegal production of drinks for sale, I consider this more a kitchen science experiment. A tasty one. Also while it may be a felony in the US (not sure of the legal definition etc.) you'd be very, very unlikely to get in serious trouble for doing it here. Still, I will definitely avoid drinking any significant quantity of it- I like my fingernails and retinas where they are.
vanbo says: Oct 10, 2008. 5:09 PM
But in the Godzone (New Zealand), anyone of any age can do whatever the hell they want with home-brew, even if they are only 14 :-). (In year 11 (10th, possibly 11th grade) biology at my school you get to make beer)( Oddly enough, pretty much everyone I know is taking Bio next year :-) )
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 9, 2008. 6:31 AM
PKM, I know that applejack is made by freeze distillation (which you know also, I take it) but as far as how it works technically I must admit I know very little. I believe most people just forgo this process all together these days and distill apple brandy with an evaporator. I believe freeze distillation is somehow inferior to evaporation, or perhaps more of a hassle on a large scale. I know that Johnny Appleseed used the freezing method because it was easy, portable and safe, compared to operating a corn liquor still, but I don't think it produced a superior alcohol.
canida says: Oct 8, 2008. 10:41 AM
You'd definitely need to pasteurize the pineapple juice, as the naturally-occurring papain enzymes will eat your yeast pretty quickly if not heat-inactivated! (This is why your mouth gets mushy if you eat too much fresh pineapple.) I can't speak to the pH issue, though maybe there are yeasts optimized for such an acidic environment.
Bartboy says: Oct 9, 2008. 3:46 PM
Is thier a way to make non alchoholi c cider from apples at home? ( Simply of course)
pbwingman11 says: Oct 9, 2008. 1:30 PM
You can also use a coffee filter to strain your cider and remove all sediment.
Llewner says: Oct 9, 2008. 5:48 AM
Campden tablet method: Add one tablet to your cider. Wait for 24 hours, then pitch your yeast.
bruno13069 says: Oct 8, 2008. 9:03 PM
There's a cider press about 5 miles from my house. (Yeah!!)
I add honey to the raw cider and let the cider sit in the fridge. When I get a good sediment, I filter the mixture, put it into a clean container and add more honey. After about 4 filterings, I make a final filtering and cork it.
The first time I tried this, I used a flexi-straw as a pipette to draw up a little bit. I dropped it on my tongue and my tongue went numb.
(Is this normal? I hope so!)
automatica21 says: Oct 8, 2008. 12:44 PM
Awesome! I grew up in NH and certainly get homesick this time of year. Can I just double or triple the recipe and have it still work?
actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 8, 2008. 4:14 PM
I know what you mean. There's nothing like a nice, crisp autumn day in The Shire. In answer to your question, yes, you can multiply this recipe easily. You still only need to use 1 packet of yeast up to 4 gallons. Having too much yeast is okay but too little is a problem so for more than that you'll want to get more.
mikeasaurus says: Oct 7, 2008. 10:05 PM
Great homebrew! I like the detail about the yeast nutrient, a tip that we can all use.

An addition would be: If you plan to filter your cider it won't matter how much yeast you use as they will die when you hit around 14% and then can be filtered out with the rest of the sediment.
But it looks like you enjoy your cider au natural which means you get to enjoy faster and with less effort, haha!

I've heard of an Austrian cider which you drink while fermenting! I wonder if you drank this sooner if you'd get the same effect?

actsofsubterfuge (author) says: Oct 8, 2008. 8:32 AM
Ah yes! I believe you are talking about Sturm (pronounced like Shturrm with a slight guttural trill on the "rr"). I was lucky enough to visit a 400 year old Win Tavern when I was traveling in Austria last year and I sampled a bit of this strange brew. Basically it is wine that has only half way through its fermentation (so it's only about a year old). It is served around this time of year, in fact, and is a local specialty. It is sweet and much fruitier than normal wine and also much less alcoholic. It is not actually cider, however, though it is often confused for it because it is cloudy, generally white and very sweet (I suppose you could make a variation of Sturm with Apfelwine, though I've never heard of it). It is quite tasty and definitely something you'll want to try if you ever make it to that part of the world. Cheers!
triplenine says: Oct 8, 2008. 7:49 AM
Seems a bit over complicated. I make this in 5 gallon batches using the juice and I prefer champagne or white wine yeast. My recipe requires 2lb of dextrose but the brown sugar would work well. I would just make a syrup by dissolving the sugar in a little water. I would avoid the pasteurization, modern brewing/wine yeast should (unless you haven't cleaned and sanitized all of your equipment properly) out-compete any foreign bugs on the apples. Save the Campden tablets for the end if you use them at all so you can sweeten the product if it is too tart. Cider is hugely fun to experiment with. It is cheaper than beer and wine kits to make one-off batches and usually tastes great still or sparkling.
BigCommieNat says: Oct 8, 2008. 7:39 AM
I've been home brewing for almost 3 years now. A hobby I became involved in... thanks to an instructable. Looks like I have a new hobby this winter :) Thank you! this write up is perfect! And I promise not to tell my fiance who taught me how to make cider when she's mad at me for spending all of my time brewing and making cider!
tercero says: Oct 8, 2008. 6:11 AM
Here in Ontario you can buy fresh apple cider (not clear apple juice) year round. It's available at most Zhers and NoFrills stores. It's delicious. It's a hell of a lot easier to start with a product that's ready to produce that next hard cider step.
Doctor What says: Oct 7, 2008. 6:50 PM
My dad made hombrew alcohol like this all the time. He'd do different types besides cider though. It was really interesting watching the process. Very, "scientific". AKA, perfect for the hungry scientist (thirsty) competition!
Doctor What says: Oct 7, 2008. 6:50 PM
BTW, awesome detail.
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