Step 15: Trough Defect Fixed - the Bow Removed

The rain gutters are designed to be attached to a house with brackets that keep the tops opened. Without the brackets the tops of the rain gutters bow inward quite a bit. unfortunately, I didn't realize this until after the end caps were glued on.

Ahhh well. Here is how I installed the brackets on the two troughs that needed them. I did buy 4 brackets just in case the other two felt inclined to bow inwards in the future.

1. These are the brackets I bought after the fact.

2. Mark the middles of the troughs that need the brackets

3. Angle the bracket up under the outer lip and lever it in place.

4. Outside of bracket in place

5. Long view of outside of bracket in place.

6. Get your trusty assistant to assist you while you pull the inside edge of the rain gutter up and have your assistant force the bracket down over the lifted lip of the gutter.

7. Use a flat blade screw driver to force the inside edge of the bracket up against the lip of the rain gutter.

8. Use a flat blade screw driver to curl the upper lip of the rain gutter in place over the edge of the bracket.

9. Viola! the bracket is installed!

Repeat as necessary and then go nurse your torn up thumbs from trying to deform the silly lip of the rain gutter.
<p>I salute you in your dedication for helping out with a school project! I honestly don't remember putting in quite so much effort on my own school experiences when I was younger haha! With that much effort put into building it, I hope that you guys get a lot of use out of it and lots of yummy vegetables to boot! It would be quite a waste to have that tucked away or to use self storage units to keep it after the project has been graded!</p>
<p>A cheaper alternative is Plastic fence post with holes drilled on top of A frame woodworking stands. Your setup does look nice though. I am starting with a simple rubbermaid container and spraying the bottom of the plants with a water pump, some irrigation tubing and spray heads.Plants are growing great but the cucumbers have almost too many roots. </p>
<p>I'm planning on building a larger setup similar to yours. How would I be able to calculate how much water I would need?</p>
Did you cover the rain gutters with something?
the water is directly exposed to the light. which i have heard iss a big no no.. because of algea growth.. is this a problem in your garden?
&eacute; uma pena n&atilde;o poder comercializar alguns instructable como esse!!! ficaria rico.
belo progeto,muito detalhado. vou fazer um aqui no brasil com algumas modifica&ccedil;&otilde;es para o nosso pais. parabens.
Nice work 1st place....................
Thanks Dino!
Do a search for Rapid Rooters. They are about 1"x1"x3", around $0.26/ea. and will be great for NFT. They are an organic growth medium made of composted organic materials. Since you plan on putting a cap over the gutters, if you choose to use the Rapid Rooters you can use a hole saw to cut holes in the cap slightly smaller in diameter than the RRs and squeeze them into the holes letting the bottoms of the RRs touch the bottom and wick the nutrients("nutes"). If necessary, you can slide a toothpick through them perpendicularly to prevent them from dropping into the hole. I also suggest that you obtain a completely opaque Rubbermaid-type container for your reservoir. This will help combat algae growth. I have seen black ones at Wal-Mart and Target in the auto parts section. If you already have algae in the system you can remove it with a brush, or use hydrogen peroxide (3ml of 3% H2O2 per gallon of solution) to remove it. Best of luck!
Thanks Saga! We also found slotted pots for around the same price but are already far over budget. We need to be able to provide for about 150 units and this is coming out of pocket. Excellent catch on the opaque reservoir. Your idea reminded me that that is what I used quite a few years ago. I had also tried a UV light in one instance (with a dark control tank for comparison)to kill the algae, but it just made it grow quite a bit more prolifically! :-) Conceringin the H202, would you add it to the nutrient solution or just as a cleaner when changing solutions? Thanks again! Mikey
You can add the H2O2 directly to the nutes. Another element that mustn't be overlooked is the temperature of the nutrient solution itself. Even a difference of 5 degrees can have a dramatic effect on the growth rate. The ideal temperature is 70 degrees. A self-regulating, submersible aquarium heater can make all the difference in air conditioned classroom. I truly appreciate the out-of-pocket investment you are making in the student's lives. Hydroponics is a fantastic way to get kids engaged in a process that stimulates the mind on many levels. Huzzah!
I guess I need some clarification... Are you referring to keep the nutes as warm as 70 or as cool as 70. We are in Arizona and odds are the classroom is going to be warmer than 70 degrees. I have heard that cooling the nutes is better because the solution will hold more O2 as it gets cooler. Are you saying we should keep it above 70 degrees? Thanks! Mikey
70 is ideal. The cooler the temperature, the more the plants will edge toward a dormant state. The warmer the temps, the greater the risk of root rot or shock. Aquarium heaters are cheap. Aquarium chillers are generally more expensive. I have seen people pump nutes through the front door of a re purposed mini fridge into the freezer portion where it then ran through a coil of tubing that was placed in an aluminum meatloaf baking tin that was filled with solid ice, then back into the reservoir. While it would be much more efficient to use a copper coil instead(i.e.; for a wort chiller), any metal will react with the salts in the nutrient solution and dramatically alter the pH balance(which reminds me; your seedlings will probably do best slightly acidic, with a pH of 6, depending on what you are growing. Bump it up to pH neutral once they are established). Another low-cost method is to blow cool air over the nutrients, but however it is achieved, remember to avoid letting excessive light into the reservoir. Cheers!
Sounds good. When we work up the lab sheet for the students we will include temperature and PH. Do you have a low cost Ph modifier that will not adversely affect the nutrient solution? Thanks for the excellent information! Mikey
Depends on what your PH is currently. I don't reccomend using activated charcoal, for sure. Turn your eyes to the aquarium section of your local pet store, and talk to a knowledgable employee. They'll be able to steer you in the right direction.
As the plants in the troughs grow wont you need some kind of bracket to keep the plant from slidind down the trough and so not to smother the roots? Great instructable!
We figure that for the experiments in the classroom, 3/4 of the plants will die. We will then redistribute the living ones (the control group) amongst the troughs. We plan on using some string from the light brackets for the plant support structure. We'll also add some white covers with holes for the stems to keep light off of the roots. Thanks David
Just get some rockwool cubes. Nicely done!
Thanks TUA. We did start the seedlings in rockwool but are concerned that it will not provide enough stability as the plants mature. Thanks again, Mikey
It seems more reasonable and practical to have some sort of small container filled with rockwool (or other similarly inert material) to hold the plant. I don't see how they will be held in place in the through without something like this; the roots still need to hold on to something, or you have to have something to hold the plant from the stem. Any holey container would do, i guess, but i'm thinking the little baskes that you buy cherry tomatoes in would be particularly well suited. and, btw, great instructable and great execution. solid.
Agreed! We plan on putting the rockwool into a container. We just need one with a low enough lip on the bottom for the nutrients to reach the roots. Thanks! Mikey
science class. yea, im sure.
yah... damn hippies! :)
This is soo cool, I would make it but i think it's a tad too big 5 stars
Definitely way too big for the living room! :-) However it can be scaled way down, I'd only use 2 troughs and put some space between them. In the not to distant future I am going to build one for the living room with a 2-1/4 sq ft footprint. Thanks for the stars! Mikey
Cheers Thermoelectric
Great instructable! Very comprehensive! What was the total cost, and number of hours?
The total cost with the nutrients and rockwool was around $240. Total number of hours (this is a SWAG) is currently around 15 hours. Thanks! Mikey
We use to make slotted cups by taking small plastic Solo drinking cups and putting holes in them with a wood burning tool. I'm hoping to rebuild/resetup my rig again soon. We were harvesting roma tomatoes faster than we could eat them. I picked over 100 habanero peppers in one harvest. I made half a gallon of pesto off of one basil plant. The nutrient formula can be a hassle to balance (I don't have a copy of what we were using anymore). South Texas heat and an outdoor setup makes for careful management of water levels between evaporation and tomatoes being VERY thirsty.
Excellent Blue! I tried the slotted cup idea but the nutrents didn't come up into the holes. Maybe if we had some wicking media (coconut husks for example) protruding slightly it would work better. We want to use one at home but I have already shaded all of the southern exposure windows with exterior awnings. I'm thinking of building a semi-decorative one for the living room. Thanks for the input. Mikey
You may need a higher rate of nutrient flow. We didn't have any medium in there to wick up. We spread the roots flat in the cups and holes in the bottom plus slots that went all the way down to the base let enough water in. Sometimes clay potting balls were used to hold plants up or a piece of plastic foam (like are used in pool 'noodles' would be used to center plants in the cups.
The volume of the nutrient flow is something I had considered. It would of course mean replacin the 1/4 poly (1/4" OD) with some larger tubing. We are germinating in rockwool which makes an excellent wick. We were hoping to use the rockwool in a cup with support medium. I was thinking of Xboogerx suggestion of gravel. I just need slots wide enough and teh rockwool deep enough (defianately touching the bottom of the trough) to allow the solution to get to the rockwool base. Thanks for the spot on hints! Mikey
Good job, Mikey. I hope the school system in your home town (city?) appreciates your extra curricular effort and talent. Today's children need more like you.
Thank you MamaSan. Sometimes it is difficult to determine whether or not the district appreciates us. We are however teachers for the children, not the silly beauacratic adults. ;-) Thank you for the kind words. Mikey
Awesome use of design to accomodate class space requirements, Mikey. Excellent project, and I hope it gets more attention from the educators around the net.
Thank you kindly Grey! Mikey
lol I feel ya good help lol but sadly those 8th graders wont be using this to grow roses when they are freshmen in high school
We built an entire hydroponic green house (30ftx50ft) my freshman year, and we weren't all out to grow anything inappropriate. There were a few attempts in subsequent years to try to introduce new 'crops' as it were, but it's kinda hard to hide something like that among tomatoes and zucchini.
I guess this single reply will address all Y'all. Thanks for the props but we will NOT be growing herbs. Have a clean one! Mikey
Man i could have saved a boatload of money in the 8th grade if i had access to this instructable then!
Wow this is crazy! Great job!
Thank you Lance.
you might also want to try just your normal everyday gravel. it's cheap and would hold plants in there place. Or, you could use some other kind of small river rock.
Gravel is a good idea. One of the difficulties we are having is a container that when punctured will allow the nutrient solution to be wicked up to the roots. Once the plant is mature enough, the roots will grow through the container and this will no longer be an issue. Thanks for the idea! Mikey
great idea good luck with the produce!!
Thanks Mr. Hound!
yea i think ill be making one of these bad boys just a little bit smaller so to avoid parents
Nice, just in time for Pineapple Express! ;-}
I love Hydroponics! There is two year-long classes on this at my school, I wish I could take them, but I have to get my Drafting and Design in... Excellent instructable! Great photos, well-thought out description as well! 5 Stars

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