Step 1: Water flow

The point here is to show the behavior of the water and the wheel. We are aiming the water jets to hit just under tangent to the edge of the wheel so we get maximum effect. Note the whit painted wheel section shows the spin.

A note on performance... You can see the short pipe on the far side is impacting the wheel well, but on the longer jet on the near side needs to be tweaked to maximize impact.
<p>Does anyone know were I can find some good instructions for a waterwheel for a large waterfall on our farm and some water-turbines for our large streams that differ in flow.</p>
<p>hi! did you get a copy? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Hydro/hydro.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Hydro/hydro.h...</a></p><p>If your still looking for some projects.</p>
<p>where can i get a free pdf instruction for this homemade hrdro gen, that i don't have to be a pro?</p>
<p>nice its hard to find these materials though</p>
<p>waste water of city can also be utilized for generating electricity. this can be possible by making artificial dams which can drive turbines through water falls from certain height.</p>
<p>May be this could help for a Science fair unless and until you are ready to drain your water tank to generate less energy or ready to carry barrels of water to jsut perform the demo.... But for beginners this is one of the good practice to learn energy conversion... And thanks for helping them :)</p>
I like your idea, one idea is to use collected rain water pumped to a high tank during excess solar generation, Then when there is no sun use the water in the high tank as a hydro power source. <br> <br>In this way you can save excess solar energy into long term storage. Also someone had thought of compressed air as a means of storing the energy. <br> <br>It would be interested to compare these and hydrogen system . <br> <br>Grey water collection system , rain water lower tank , upper tank would work as storage as well saving water. <br> <br>Good job, you have given me more to think about
Use you washing machines drain pumps, the vanes are optimized.
you should put a grey water catcher under it
I've seen some excellent home-made impact wheels like this using old spoons as the vanes on the water wheel. The rounded nature of them increases the power transfer/torque substantially. Good to see.
so is it a hydren fuel cell
How much power did you get out of it?
A neat addition for a science project would be a dynomometer to measure the output curved over water flow rates. I think that you could make a good project out of it...
will it work for science flair.......
Also, would like to see some preliminary plans.
check out www.amphydro.com
Check out www.amphydro.com seems like a reasonable price on hyro.
That's fantastic.... Looking for any new designers? Way ahead of you on this one. I like your idea of using the gravity flow though... You need to look into some jetison nozzle, approx 3 set at different angles. Your design may not work to full potential with that flow.... If not enough back pressure in the pipe to run jets, flip the wheel vertical and turn it into a classic style water wheel with buckets. The buckets collect the water as it spins and much more torque is produced. Check my finalised comment, in regards to taking a stardard highflow pond pump and running it inline in the main from the street. Pong pumps are designed for the purpose, prebuilt, cheap, effective and it works. Great work!!!
yes, a water wheel would be much more efficient, but would have to be huge. at least twice the height of the source, and just 2x the height would be inefficient, because near the bottom of the water drpo, the water would push down instead of around the water wheel (a long, tall, convener type water wheel should theoretically be 100% efficient) if the wheel was ginormous, the drop would be almost strait down and very efficient. a system like this, but sealed (maybe those hard drive air motors they have here) could be more efficient than a normal water wheel.
[http://www.instructables.com/community/Home-Water-turbine-power-plant...-Mini-HELP/ My mini home turbine power plant.]<br/>
One of our guys was proposing this kind of idea, but we realized that the generation energy was tied to water usage. Might be interesting in a commercial setting or other hi water flow context. The fun part would be to have a series of these kinds of ideas and compare efficiencies and help people make use of them to augment energy productions. Thanks again. Leif
Actually the sealed idea might be interesting to tie in to an inner lining of the housing that added to the tornadic spin effects. I think there could be a better propeller design as well, particularly in the tornado flow construct, but the simple design/ build aspect could go out the window quickly. That said, we might fund the creation of it if there were a marketplace. All back to the efficiency and ease of use design... Thanks Leif
Actually, I was thinking of sponsoring a design contest for any energy generation thoughts, but I need to contact the instructables folks. I had contemplated a 3 angle system, but found tweaking the 2 to be a pain and fundamentally not convinced it would improve things. It would be an interesting set of experiments to determine which design was optimal. The vertical orientation gave me clean separation of potential alternator location away from water drainage. The vertical drop would add the gravitational component, but ultimately, I think the challenge is the efficiency of the energy transfer. thanks for the thoughts... Leif
Wouldn't a pair of 45's work better? I.E. less disruption of flow / less friction loss and higher working pressure.
Not sure what you mean a pair of 45's are you thinking the angle of the jets or the alignment of the paddle wheel? I could provide some plans, but not sure how helpful they would be. At present the rod is a 1/4 in threaded rod with nut and washer connection to the wheel. The wheel is 1/2in plywood circle with 12 slots cut for 1in square pieces of 1/4 in plywood. The rest of the structure is just a support that I could create easily. The plumbing is 2" inflow, constrained and shaped to 1in pvc to 1/2in compression fittings and the copper pipe is just a shape that gave me aiming ability. In fact that took alot of tweaking to improve energy transfer. When the discussion is settled, I will publish a full pdf of materials and instructions. Thanks for your interest. Leif

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