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How To End Bike Theft: The Honeybike Project

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For version 1, I'm putting everything in a water bottle case. I'm undecided on whether or not the water bottle pop-open lid will turn the assembly on and off:) Not nearly as subtle or miniature as we can get with this, but it's a start.

If you're delivering a shock, run wires from the stun gun leads to the handlebars, stripping the insulation at points such that they're not touching the metal of the bike frame but will touch the skin of the bike thief so that they'll be in contact with a positive and a negative charge. The best way I've thought of to do this is to run the wires to the handlebars and wind both wires around both grips. I'd guesstimate you should use at least 22gauge and then anticipate them melting if used frequently.

Some suggestions for expansion:
-Vibrate only for a call / text message from a specific number
-Use on cars / motorcycles / scooters with an ignition kill as the payload(!)
-Add an accelerometer to control power to the cell phone
-Turn on auto-answer with DTMF to control multiple actions. Here's one such controller.
-Add a solenoid to trigger the brakes:)

Basically, go to town! And, if you're biking to town, be sure to disable your wacky security system.

Ohyeah, and this is remotely triggered onto anyone who comments telling me to put a shirt on in the video:)
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Jun 8, 2008. 1:47 PMGrey_Wolfe says:
Not sure if this was your plan, but you'd be best suited by having contact points in both handles of the handlebar. Also, you'd wants both positive and negative on EACH handle. You want it to charge across the contacts like normal. If you've got positive on one handle and negative on the other (assuming enough charge) you run the risk of causing serious injury or death due to charge being forced through the heart. This would definitely get you sued, or worse. Just thought I'd throw that out there. By having both contacts on each handlebar, you illiminate the chance of missing because someone's riding w/ one hand. Though you'll get less uses per charge of the stun gun batteries.
Jul 26, 2008. 7:08 AMtronic says:
It is STILL a bad idea if you put both electrodes on each handle. The problem arises when the current path to the skin is broken, the internal resistance of your body is very low. There WILL be a current loop between the handle bars from one side's positive going to the others' negative and the current only goes up if the resistance skin resistance is higher on one lead than another which is almost defiantly a given. again, DO NOT use any more than 2 electrodes spaced closely together if you attempt this. If you want to do both handle bars, you would need two guns so they don't go across your heart, and then you have to have some optical or physical electrical isolation so they don't act act as a series circuit of two capacitors..... On a last point, I strongly recommend not hacking a taser to your bicycle or anything else for that matter. They are dangerous and if your doing a cell phone you don't have FULL control over, you are asking for problems, such as when the prepaid cell company sends advertisements to your phone every couple of weeks and it vibrates to indicate a text message from your provider about their latest pre-paid deals, you will get a random shock yourself and be a very unhappy hacker.
Jan 17, 2012. 4:43 AMOliveGreenCarbine says:
@tronic - note the off switch in the concept.
@most everyone else - note the why would I care if someone got injured after stealing something of mine? If just one person did actually die from stealing a bike, word would spread quickly on the street and in the media, and there would be an instant reduction in bike thefts. I fail to see any problems with this. There are or were places where caught theives would lose fingers or a whole hand as punishment. If this was the case in these USA now, we would have next to no theft.
@liseman - Good idea on self-protection!
Jan 17, 2012. 10:13 AMThe Green Gentleman says:
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Jan 22, 2012. 4:51 PMOliveGreenCarbine says:
No, I think if capital punishment was fast, people would be less likely to commit crimes deserving it... the problem is most go a long time before actually happening with appeals and all.. I'm not arguing for or against it, incidentally. There is an apparent thought of 'I want that and can get away with it' prevalent in society rather than generations being taught to 'respect others and their property'. And all the wrongs whether real or imagined do not justify doing wrong to another. I've been stolen from before and I don't think I should go steal from another just because I percieve they could afford it. If I could shock, stop, or injure every jack-leg that tried to steal something from me as they stole it, I would certainly attempt it. There is no wrong in self-protection, including protecting your personal property.

Finally, was the mountain public domain or did the climber get permission from the land-owner? If neither, then was the owner still at fault for the death of the climber? No. And if that climber is carrying my bike off up my mountain then I think I may cut off his rope and let him ride my bike down the cliff, or just shoot. once for a warning, twice for ignoring it.
Jan 17, 2012. 7:42 PM--= Excogitate =-- says:
So if it doesn't matter either way to the criminal than we should give them less repercussions? The benefactors of the government should also be considered When sentencing offenders. Just because some may be warped, we should not lessen the consequences. Far too often I've personally seen reoffenders of violent crimes go out and destroy everyday tax paying, law abiding citizens lives. If you or your loved ones have suffered from a violent crime I can't see it in your post. And it's individuals that suffer that these laws pertain to and should cater to more so imo.
Jan 18, 2012. 6:17 AMThe Green Gentleman says:
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Jan 19, 2012. 1:41 AM--= Excogitate =-- says:
Eh, I got caught up in the cosmic perspective. Although this discussion stems from a petty crime, the idea of a kinder gentler judicial system is parallel to the idea of communism; good in theory, bad in practice. Keep it simple. Bad deeds=bad punishment. Look at the cold war. It was cold because nobody wanted to see the outcome. And I'm not for killing people, but if they are sentenced to life anyway just save us the taxes...
Jan 17, 2012. 6:32 AMallen says:
Why would you care? Because you'd be both criminally, i.e. jail time, and civilly, i.e. lose everything you own, liable.

As for those "places" where caught thieves lose finger, the US isn't one of those places. So, if you live in one of those places then you're good. If you live in the US - criminally and civilly liable.

Also, if someone who isn't even remotely connected with the theft is injured by you zapping the thief, as in the thief goes down in traffic precipitating a car crash that kills/injures someone, they you're on the hook for that as well.

Cheers.
Jan 22, 2012. 4:56 PMOliveGreenCarbine says:
you may be on point there, but it shouldn't be so- like the case of the stoned drunk who stumbled out into the street and got hit by the delivery service truck...that guy loses a job because an idiot was inebriated and unable to control herself
Tally ho
Jun 8, 2008. 3:31 PMColonel88 says:
u are so r8ght and cnt the thif just figure it out?
Jun 8, 2008. 11:09 PMGrey_Wolfe says:
Maybe the thief's buddy. lol After the first guy fell on the ground twitching. Don't think many people are expecting an electric bicycle to bite them. But at the current design, it's not overly covert, so, your right, it would be fairly easy to spot, even if you weren't sure what it was.
Jun 9, 2008. 3:22 PMcomander01 says:
wonder if it would be possible to insert the assembly inside, say the handle bars? Then you can just put the end covers back on and nobody would know. It shouldn't affect the cell reception too much, either.
Jul 16, 2008. 11:21 AMBrett_cgb says:
It's not a good idea to pass electric current through the chest cavity - this can stop the heart with a very low current (voltage does not matter). The idea of placing both electrodes close together makes sense. This is how the stun gun originally works. Allowing the electrodes to arc will prevent electrical transients elsewhere is the system, though that is likely not a problem here. Consider placing thumbtacks in the seat (exposed disks), one for each butt cheek. This ensures a good contact, and would probably incapacitate a riders legs if/when the stun gun fires, further ensuring good contact.....
Jun 8, 2010. 1:47 PMLegendaryPrimate says:
I have a question, then: How safe are actual tasers? My understanding of a taser is that two probes are fired from the taser, and for maximum effect you want one probe to enter the lower body and one to enter the torso. Then, a current is passed between the two probes, and consequently the body. Because electricity follows the path of least resistance, the current should essentially pass straight through a leg and the torso from one probe to the other, correct? Doesn't this pass a significant amount of electric current through the chest cavity?
Apr 8, 2009. 11:47 AMJakooboo says:
Voltage does not... but amps do.
Apr 25, 2009. 5:14 PMstupidloginthing says:
thats what he said. current = amps.
Jul 17, 2008. 7:51 PMcarpe_noctem says:
perhaps if you had drop bars w/ road bike type brakes you could rig the stun to go through the lever and the hoods, granted you don't have hood covers. also the thief would have to be riding on the hoods for it to work....alot of factors required......
Jul 17, 2008. 1:41 PMrussianmike says:
Or moving them up several inches to that balls area.......
May 12, 2009. 9:36 AMrossta says:
Yeah except the last time my bike was stolen, the thief didn't have a "balls area". She sure knew how to cry when I found my bike in front of her work and she had to explain her boss why some stranger was taking her bike home.
Jul 25, 2008. 9:03 AMxenobiologista says:
Good idea. One contact in the front (beak part) of the seat, one contact near the rear. Definitely nonfatal, definitely painful as hell.
Jul 16, 2008. 11:22 PMaskvictor says:
Voltage does matter - it matters because without a high enough voltage you won't get any current flowing through the body/under the skin. 30V is about the minimum you'd need to get under the skin, and once you're through the skin, resistance is very low...
Dec 5, 2008. 9:01 AMbob.smitty says:
While voltage matters, what shocks is the current. Your figure of 30V is incorrect, as is your assumption that the resistance is lower below the skin. The minimum voltage needed to produce noticeable shock is 9.7 V @300uA (a total of 2.91 W.) Skin resistance is typically 1MOhm/cm, and it's affected by a whole host of variables, like moisture of the skin (or lack of) being the most critical. Stun guns typically operate at 3mA, and voltages vary from 50KV to 160Kv (powers from 15W to 480W). The current is dependent on the conductivity of the skin, the higher the resistance, the lower the current. Note that there are physiological reactions below the voltage threshold, and while they can be measured, they are not noticeable to the subject.
Jul 17, 2008. 1:57 PMBrett_cgb says:
Granted, voltage does matter, but not as much as you think. 30mA (0.03A) through the heart WILL stop it (less current will still affect the hearts operation, possibly lethal). The voltage required to drive that current depends on the body’s resistance, which changes depending on what the body is doing. If the body is exercising (as it likely would be on a bike), the resistance will be low due to sweat (among other things), allowing higher currents.

30V is the maximum voltage that can be applied under worst case conditions (sweating, standing knee deep in salt water) and not reach 30mA. This is the standard for hospital grade electrical equipment (that's what that green dot on some plugs and electrical outputs signifies).

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The stun gun is likely not lethal in its original configuration (electrodes less than 1 inch (2.5cm) apart) so there's little chance of driving a significant current through more than a few inches of skin, but increase the spacing and all bets are off.

F.Y.I.

Amps = ampere = current
Volt = voltage
Ohm = resistance

Amp = Volt / Ohm

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It’s hot, but it's a dry heat.......
Nov 14, 2010. 5:44 AMsspence says:
Brett, the green dot does indeed mean hospital grade, but has nothing to do with 30v/30,mA. Just means it went through a higher level of QA/QC.
Jul 22, 2008. 8:19 AMultrauber says:
So...what are watts?
Nov 14, 2010. 5:44 AMsspence says:
amps * volts = watts
Jul 22, 2008. 10:09 AMBrett_cgb says:
In terms of DC (direct current, which a stun gun does NOT produce)
Watts ( W, a unit of power) = V * A (Volt * Amp)

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AC terms (alternating current):

For resistive loads (incandescent lamp or heater), the same equation still works.

With reactive loads (motors), things are more complicated as the voltage and current are not in phase - they do not measure zero at the same time. Current usually lags behind the voltage (assumes voltage and current are both sine waves). Additional terms needed for this discussion include frequency, phase angle, true power, apparent power, reactive power, power factor, and complex impedance.

With harmonic loads (fluorescent lamps, most electronics, and lamp dimmers), current is either in phase with voltage, or is zero (current is not a sine wave, may be a pulse during each half cycle). Additional terms for this discussion include frequency, harmonic distortion, and crest factor.

More than you wanted to know?

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For purposes of the stun gun, we can assume a resistive load across the electrodes.
Dec 5, 2008. 9:23 AMbob.smitty says:
Brett, Couple of minor points. When Current and Voltage are out of phase (as you correctly point out in your inductive motor example) they can (and sometimes it is desirable) be at zero at the same time, if the phase shift is 180 degrees. Harmonic loads do not affect power at all, and are not relevant to this discussion. The current neither lags nor precedes voltage when out of phase. It's just out of phase. It is simply a convention to assume the current is behind the voltage (15degrees behind... it's the same thing as 165degrees ahead.) Complex impedance is not related to this discussion. Impedance itself is implied when you refer to reactive loads. Fluorescent lamps are not harmonic loads. The ballasts that drive them are. Current may not be a sine wave, but it MUST be a wave, and can never be a pulse. If current is zero, there is no voltage. (did you think this through?) Harmonic distortion does absolutely not apply to any power discussion. Crest factor is only a factor when you are rectifying AC. Fairly good display of power and control knowledge. Shame it's not germane to the subject. There's tons more I'd like to know, but I seriously doubt you'd be the one to school me. Nice dick flopping though.
Dec 5, 2008. 6:35 PMBrett_cgb says:
> When Current and Voltage are out of phase (as you correctly point out in > your inductive motor example) they can (and sometimes it is desirable) > be at zero at the same time, if the phase shift is 180 degrees. If the phase shift is 180 degrees (lead and lag are essentially the same thing) then you have a generator rather than a motor if work is being done (there is a loss of energy in the system), or a resonant circuit (no losses). > (15degrees behind... it's the same thing as 165degrees ahead.) That's 345 degrees ahead... Running the calculations with 345 degrees ahead will give the same results as 15 degrees behind, but it's slightly more convenient (and easier to grasp) to restrict the range of angles to within a +/-180 degree range. In the real world, current pulses occur all over the place though they are not perfect rectangular pulses. Those devices sitting in front of you (computer and monitor) both use switching power supplies that use pulses of current to perform power conversions. It is not necessary to have a voltage in order to have a current. It is necessary to have a voltage to AFFECT a current (increase, decrease, change its direction of motion). > If current is zero, there is no voltage. (did you think this through?) Apparently more than you did.... How do you explain charged capacitors? A resonant half wave antenna? Antennas are an excellent place to observe points with 0 voltage/peak current AND peak voltage/0 current in a single piece of wire at the same time. Ever hear of standing waves? > Crest factor is only a factor when you are rectifying AC. Ever read the specifications for multimeters? Most meters are calibrated to measure an average value, but display it as an RMS value. When the waveform is a sine wave (or something close) everything is assumed to be correct. But if the waveform deviates from a sine wave, then RMS and Averaging meters will show different results. A DC-AC inverter with a "modified sine-wave" output is a good signal source. Check it out. I think you know enough to be dangerous....
Jul 22, 2008. 10:11 AMBrett_cgb says:
And yes, I am an engineer.
Jul 23, 2008. 6:41 PMultrauber says:
So basically, it exists in DC as V*A, but not really in AC. That helped, thanks.
Nov 14, 2010. 5:47 AMsspence says:
in ac, v*a*pf=watts
pf = power factor.

power factor is only important to the utility company, not the end user.
Jul 21, 2008. 7:53 AMsneigke says:
Yes, it's only the current that matters.... Considering that nobody dies in the winter from a sometimes painful ZAP to the finger on a doorknob, or to your buddy's face or wherever which is 30,000V easily, and can be close to 100,000V on a good rug and shoe combination ;) , should confirm that. Though you are correct, current across the chest is the most dangerous and 30mA is more than enough to stop your heart.
Jul 21, 2008. 8:08 PMadrestea says:
Static shocks are high voltage, but very, very miniscule current, which is why they are not dangerous. As long as the current is low enough, you can safely expose yourself to a pretty much limitless voltage and not run into any problems due to something called the "skin effect". I have personally drawn arcs over an inch long (so exceeding 100,000 volts) directly to my fingertips with no ill effects from the top of a tesla coil, but only because I knew the current was so very low it wouldn't penetrate any of my squishy inside bits. I would certainly not do the same with the kind of debilitating current involved in a tazer or similar devices. I don't know the exact current that is coming out of this gun, but neither does the guy who's designing it. It is definitely NOT designed to be applied all the way across the chest, and I think there's a pretty good chance it would be lethal if he sets it up as described.
Jul 17, 2008. 12:27 AMTheInventor says:
Both of you are wrong, but at the same time right. I've been using electronics and studying electronics for years. It's amps that can kill you. In fact, it's really all 3. Amps, current, and volts. For amps, it's only 6 milliamps through the heart to kill you. That's a very small amount, yet it's still leathal.
Nov 14, 2010. 5:48 AMsspence says:
all 3? amps is current. the third component is resistance.
Jul 21, 2008. 7:54 AMsneigke says:
I'll second that!
Jul 17, 2008. 5:08 PMinstructablesmeg says:
Taken from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_shock#Lethality_of_a_shock">Wikipedia</a><br/><br/>It is sometimes suggested that human lethality is most common with alternating current at 100–250 volts, however death has occurred from supplies as low as 32 volts and supplies at over 250 volts frequently cause fatalities. The voltage necessary for electrocution depends on the current flowing through the body and the duration of the current flow.<br/>
Jul 17, 2008. 10:41 AMchewyshoes says:
Amps (or amperes) is a unit of electrical current.

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