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As a Survival and Preparedness instructor, I take my line of work very serious – sometimes too serious. Occasionally, though, I like to take on survival projects that are just down right fun. This article highlights one of those projects.

I’m fortunate in that I’ve been able to turn my passion into my profession – this being the study of Survival and Preparedness. I’ve always enjoyed building survival kits of all shapes and sizes. I enjoy the challenge of fitting life saving survival necessities into small compact containers. I’ve built survival kits using film canisters, candy tins, key-rings, boxes, bottles, tubes, bags and everything in between. For this project I decided to build a survival kit using a shotgun platform – creating the Ultimate Survival Shotgun. My challenge was that everything had to be included in or on the gun itself – no extra pack items or containers. Below is what I did as well as the survival logic behind each decision.

Ultimately your survival needs fall into 5 main categories. Your situation dictates the order. They are:
• Water
• Fire
• Shelter
• Signaling
• Food

Every survival kit must include contents that directly or indirectly meet these 5 basic survival needs. The shotgun platform I decided to use is the Mossberg 500 – PUMP. I chose a pump action because it is easier for me to troubleshoot and work on in the field compared to other models. I chose the Mossberg brand because it is a very popular gun and there are literally 100’s of aftermarket modification pieces and parts designed to fit this gun. I knew I would want to add on some of these ‘extras’ to increase ‘survival value’. In this step is a photo of the shotgun ‘off the shelf’ before my survival modifications.
 
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I don't think you can stab with the bayonet
vladivastok16 days ago

LOVED IT. THANK'S FOR ALL THE 411. THE EXTRA LINK'S WERE ALSO HELPFULL. [ VLAD]

Since this appears to be a kit for surviving the collapse of civilization as we know it, I think I would have a holster with a long barreled pistol capable of firing 22LR rounds hanging next to it. In the hands of a decent shot, they are deadly effective, they don't make a lot of noise to attract unwanted attention, and you can carry a whole lot of ammo for it. It wouldn't hurt to have a skeletonized (lightweight) handaxe on the holster belt either. Grab the shotgun, slip the holster belt off and strap it on as you go. If you are this prepared, I am assuming you have a bugout destination in mind, where there will be additional supplies stashed?

Anyway, thought provoking instructable.

hdmca2 years ago
Very good tutorial. I think that survival is a very personal subject, that a lot of people are going to disagree on. I think that the author has spent a lot of time on his shotgun and on this tutorial. For that, thank you sir. Myself, I have a Remington 870 Express with a 18.5 inch barrel and collapsible stock. As for add-ons, the only ones are a good sling, on-board shell holder, flashlight and laser aiming device. The light and laser are controlled by pressure switches so they can be switched of and on quickly. The rest of my survival items are held in a bug-out bag and tatical vest. Not all situations are going to call for the same items. Being stuck/lost in the woods one just has to worry about getting to help alive. Should we ever find ourselves in a time of social/economical collapse, things will most different. God forbid something like that take place, survival will take on a different meaning. There will be haves and have-nots and I bet that the have-nots are going to outnumber the haves. When that happens, I will defend myself and my family. Just my opinion, though.

By the way, myself, I would lose the knife/bayonet thing. Don't see a point in it (no pun intended).

And for those planing to defend themselves with swords, that idea hasn't flown for a few hundred years.
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rahlquist hdmca2 years ago
swords and other melee weapons work well in areas where firearm use or ownership is either banned or extremely restricted . If you find yourself in a country where carrying a gun has serious judicial penalties, then a fire arm may not be appropriate. Please see see the laws in larger U.S. cities, Brittan, Canada, Australia for the more kinder gun bans in the world.

Its spelt Britain

totszwai3 years ago
When you want to survive, grab a backpack and a sword... Can fit way more into a bag, and you will never run out of ammo. In case of zombie attack? You can cut their head off! :P

But nice video and DIY though, as another poster stated, only possible in US.
Using a gun is much easier then using a sword, there's a lot more to it then just swinging it around.
Wrong. Using any melee weapon is much easier than using a gun. You don't need to aim, run out of bullet, out of range, and misses. How hard is it to whack a melee weapon to a target?

Maybe is easy in the US, since you guys have firing range for cheap and every one in your neighborhood owns a gun, but not the whole world is like in the US you know? Is not easy to fire a gun without training.

I betcha you can run faster with a backpack + any melee weapon than someone with a 5 feet long gun.
paqrat totszwai3 years ago
I would agree that running out of ammunition could make the sword the better bet but out of range? I have yet to see a gun with less range than a sword and as to ease of use, if we're talking about the same range at which a sword is effective the gun is not that difficult to use. Point and shoot. And if one has reasonable depth perception one can shoot an opponent before they can get into effective sword range. If I was going to face something like an irate Grizzly Bear I'd much prefer something like the shotgun loaded with slugs. Maybe a ninja could survive such an encounter using only a sword but most folks aren't ninjas.

michonne could kill 10 bears at once with her katana.

The point of the gun is that you dont have to run. Can you out run a bullet? I am pretty sure I can put a deer slug in you before you can get close enough to hit me with a melee weapon.
He cant outrun a bullet... but he also can't acquire a firearm legally. No matter how persuasive you are... he still cant get a gun. If he can get his hands on some other martial weapon... wouldnt that be preferable to nothing?
just so you know.. its kinda hard to miss with a shotgun.. they kind of have a large shot pattern. but i do agree i would have a melee weapon as well as a gun.. but i would probably go with a axe instead of a sword due to the fact that it woould have more uses than just defense.
1. Use the bayonet as a melee weapon.

2. The shotgun itself is like a big metal club.

3. You can take the target down 100(s) of feet away from you as opposed to having it 3 feet away from you.

4. The guy without a backpack flopping around on his back can probably run faster.

I can understand not having access to proper training everywhere in the world, but from this guys standpoint, this is the ideal survival weapon.
Good luck hunting with a sword. By the time you whittle and rig a working bow (if ever) you will be too weak to use it. And that assumes you don't run into a guy with a gun who can shoot you from a nice comfy distance.
That also assumes you can get a real sword that will actually work not just a display item, this is also something most people don't realize.
ahaha nice
Ryuk0 totszwai3 years ago
just to let you know not ever person in the U.S has a real gun but i agree swords are easier to use than guns
you kind of do need to aim, if you dont.... you'd miss and the zombie would eat your brains
a sword and shotgun would work better
or you can invest and make a swordgun XD
you could get a mossberg 590 and affix an m9 bayonet to the end...sword, gun, knife, fence cutter, etc...
maybe booth a sword and swordgun
Gunblade from Final Fantasy!!!!
http://www.google.ca/search?q=gunblade&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=910
yeah!!!!!!!
This option seems less useful for me personally. I'd rather keep my knife in my belt or boot. (Or as is usual, the pocket knife in my pocket.) I sometimes carry my machete in a back sheath when I'm doing ranch work or know I'm going to be hiking in heavy brush.
I have spare knives everywhere. I always have a folder or two on me. An extra on the SG would just be a bonus! About every pack, bag, case I own has folder of mediocre to good quality in it at least. A knife is just too central to have your only one break with or dropped in a crevasse or down a storm drain with no back up. A human without at least one sharp pointy thing and the ability to start a fire is just whining hairless ape in most survival situation.
"" A human without at least one sharp pointy thing and the ability to start a fire is just whining hairless ape in most survival situation.""

Now YOU sir - are an intelligent thinker also! LOL
(Just don't try to live in NY or NJ with those knives in your pocket or in your gear bags - the authorities around here tend to view anyone who carries a KNIFE!!! (OH MY!) as a de-facto criminal! Their attitude seems to be "Why would anyone carry a knife unless they were planning to cause trouble?" My answer has always been - "Why would anyone NOT carry at least one knife with them at all times?
Why would anyone want to live in NY? :-)
Well, Mein Herr (Panzer??) :-)P If you can get past the nitwit socialist mayor and the plethora of dingelberry Liberal sheep living there - You might consider that The Big Apple is the ONLY place in the world where you'll find: The NY Public Library, the MET, Broadway, Wall Street, The Gugenheim, The AMNH, South Street Seaport, The Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, ChiTown, Little Italy, Central park, SOHO, Trinity Church, Teddy Roosevelt's birth home,(and his summer place on the Island), Shea Stadium, Yankee stadium (in THAT order!) countless great places to eat, and all sorts of other cultural icons, then NY is a pretty darned good place. LOL!
i'd make such a bad comment, but nevermind, i'd offend many and show no respect for the good people... :-(

good shotgun! bad thing I live in a dummy country where firearms are almost banned (except in criminals hands) and we law abiding citizen have to pay lots $$$$ to have a low power weapons (yeah you can still have a 12, but it's a pain in the a*s, as a single shotshell costs about $ 4,00 (about 2,00 dollars) and limited to 200 a month. .22 lr is at about 20,00 dollars /50 rd, and can buy only 300 month...
skaar pudicobar2 years ago
i don't see how saying 'sheep are sheep, regardless of affiliation' could be bad... anyway, get some handload gear, save the shells, cast your own pellets from car batteries, tear apart some fireworks for powder if you're desperate. maybe toss a flare shell or two into the kit if you're intending to be 'rescued'.
Southpaw69 skaar8 months ago

What are you going to do for primers?

skaar Southpaw698 months ago

how much does enough primers for 1000 rounds cost, how much do they weigh? how much equipment does it take to make the glassware to purify chemicals to -make- new primers? maybe it'd be possible to modify a shotgun to operate by matchlight... a bit of smoldering twine laced through a drilled out area behind the breech, touched into the primer hole? perhaps a glow plug or repurposed toy sparking car flywheel?

skaar skaar2 years ago
never mind the flares, mentioned in the next section...
About cops, knives and the nanny-state...(I'm in Canada so I know quite a bit about the tyranny of a nanny-state) one thing I can suggest is carry the ever -sharp Olfa knife, with snap-off blades. I'm a trades person now so I rarely am not wearing carrharts, but despite having gone through numerous security checkpoints and interactions with the authorities, no one seems to even question this handy little tool of my trade. With the blade retracted the tip is a great screwdriver and fantastic little wonderbar (especially the one inch Olfa). The worst that ever happened going through an airport style screening point at the local court house to pay a traffic fine. I tossed the knife in the little box it went through the scanner. The guard picked it up and said, I don't think you can take this in. I openned up the knife, took out the 50 cent blade gave it to him and went on my way with the knife body. Of course I don't know that it wouldn't get you in trouble, but it does everything a knife needs to and then some, requires very little maintainance and the yellow plastic knife seems not to fit into the paradigm of "bad guy knife" that triggers such a hostile response from cops...heck most of the time they seem amused by the useful little tool that they seem so unfamiliar with (for the life of me I can't understand why).
"I'm in Canada so I know quite a bit about the tyranny of a nanny-state"

Seriously ??

I was born in Canada 46 years ago. I have lived here my entire life... and yet I can't relate to your above statement at all.

Care to elaborate? I'm curious about your point of view.

IMHO Canada is one of the most free places to live in the entire world... on par with the US.

One thing we don't share with our neighbors to the south is their very liberal attitude towards guns.

Don't get me wrong, we Canadians can own guns. Heck, I own a gun. I could probably even build a version of the ultimate survival shotgun. I can even own pistols or revolvers. I just can't own a full-auto machine gun or carry my pistol openly in the street like in the US.

Cheers !!
Are you serious? I was born and raised here in Canada and I know for a fact that Canada is a nanny country, your talking about a place that outlaws tonfas (basically a stick with a handle on the side) so I don't know what part of Canada you live in but its definitely nowhere near me.
In America we can walk down the street with an assault rifle and its legal.... God i love America
Definition of "assault rifle" means FULLAUTO or selective burst.......you cannot walk down a U.S. street with this.
yeah you can to be honest. there might be some town laws against open carrying but if its legal to open carry and you have a class 3 firearms license i am pretty sure you could walk down the street with an assault rifle.
I'm sorry, "DTTAH" - but I'm afraid you are incorrect, and unfortunately you're giving people in other countries the wrong impression of America by your casual comment. Folks, you may definitely NOT "walk down the street with an assault rifle" in America - not legally, at least. You MAY, in many states and jurisdictions in the US (although not in my young friend's state) walk down the street with a rifle, although the local police will definitely look askance at you unless you're either hunting or otherwise legally engaged, and your final destination is close by. I find that a regrettable circumstance, however I can see the merits of the police getting kind of upset if you do.

As for "Open Carry" of handguns - that is allowed only in relatively few states and jurisdictions. Concealed carry is far more commonly allowed, provided you have no criminal record and pass muster in a number of areas, according to the specific laws of the state in which you reside. (Would that I lived in a state that allowed me to do so I would carry - because I believe in my right to defend myself from dangerous people, and I'm getting too old to fight with youngsters such as my online friend!)

LaLunette - I CAN relate to CdN Sapper's comments about the nanny state. (That term being used to mean a place in which the government gets to decide for you, what is and is not in your own best interest. I thank God that i do not (YET!) live in such a country, even though I think Canada is a most beautiful country indeed, with some lovely people. LaLunette, the US is NOT the Wild West you may think it is - recent tragic events notwithstanding. (I do however, respect your opinion). To each their own, but IMO America is FAR more free than Canada, insofar as our ability to make our own decisions regarding what is and is not "safe" for our families. This, however, is currently changing, and will definitely change completely, if our Socialist-leaning "National- Embarrassment-in-charge" is reelected in November.

A true Assault Rifle is by definition any small to medium-caliber rifle capable of a fully automatic rate of fire. (In other words - a Semi-automatic rifle, which fires ONE round for each SEPARATE pull of the trigger, is NOT an Assault rifle). True Assault rifles are most commonly used by the military, and are usually rendered in caliber .233 ( 5.56 mm for those who use the metric system). This is as opposed to a "Battle Rifle", which is essentially the same item in a larger caliber (usually .308/7.62mm). Based on the "Eagle, Globe and Anchor" logo which he uses, I suspect that "Don't try this at home" has aspirations of joining the US Marine Corps (Semper Fi!) and I hope he does, as that is a fine group of outstanding warriors, who operate on the "sharp end of the spear" to keep our country free, and protect our Constitution, and a group for which I have the utmost respect. Hoo Rah!

But back to the topic - due to the silly National Firearms Act of 1934, we Americans are permitted to own a fully automatic rifle ONLY IF we comply with the proper paperwork, and pay a $200 "Tax -, but that is both expensive and a real pain,. Ownership of such weapons is thankfully permitted here, but it is near impossible to legally walk down the street with one. (And to hopefully ausuage your fears that we are a ruthless bunch of shooting yahoos, LaLunette - the majority of people I know who hunt do not want to use an automatic, because while they're fun to shoot, they are definitely LESS accurate than a single-round capable or semi-auto rifle.

Cheers,
I wrote back a long essay proveing alot of what you said wrong and spent about 2 hours writeing and geting sources but i hit the back key and it all got erased. i will rewrite the whole thing when i get a chance
DAMN! I wrote you a long reply - saying essentially that you were correct in most of your rebuttal, but that I though your point about blowing off your hand was overstated, but I LOST the damned thing at the very end! RATS!

I won;'t have time to retype it, but for the benefit of everyone else, I apologized for sounding a little more harsh than I wanted to, and tried to explain to everyone else that we in the US are not all "crazy gun nuts" as is so often portrayed in the US and international "court of opinion". I mentioned that many of us attend expensive schools in order to learn safe and proper gun handling, and that I wished that people in other countries knew that most of us gun owners take owning a potentially dangerous weapon VERY seriously.

Semper Fi.
Greg
Yeah just about every gun owner takes safety class to learn how to safely handle and fire the firearm. Aso some people take more advanced taical training with firearms. I take all firearms seriously and treat them wit the upmost respect like most Americans so i agree when you say we are not all crazy gun nuts just alot of americans like sport shooting and hunting. I admit that me saying shooting a 5.56nato in a .223 was abit over stated but it could happen bu not too likely it will just mess your gun up pretty fast.
It sucks that your reply got erased the same thing happened to mine and i had to rewrite it lol.
Joe
Im afraid that your wrong Delaware is an open carry state for rifles and handguns and you dont need permits to open cary both of them

Source http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/delaware.aspx

Your definition of assault rifle is mix up with the definition of an machine gun. accrding to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assault+rifle?s=t is " 1.
a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.
2.
a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usually modified to allow only semiautomatic fire."
The definition of a mechine gun is "a small arm operated by a mechanism, able to deliver a rapid and continuous fire of bullets as long as the trigger is pressed."
Source http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/machine%20gun?fromAsk=true&o=100074
So an assault rifle does not have to be select fire and my ruger 10 22 with the achangel 556 tatical kit would be consitered an assault rifle wich according to Delaware i can openly carry it aslong as the action is open and the mag i out.

Your comment "unfortunately you're giving people in other countries the wrong impression of America by your casual comment" What do you mean by wrong impression?? Because i excerise my 2nd admement right by chooseing to carry an assault rifle im giveing people the wrong impresson of America??? If anythng it should show everyone that in America you are truely free unlike alot of nations today.

Also i would like to add that an .223 and an 5.56 is not the same "The 5.56 ammo has a higher velocity once discharged. This is a result of the higher CUP rating. In order to handle the higher pressure, this ammo also has thicker walls and a thicker head. Another difference is that .223 ammo can be fired safely from a gun that fire an 5.56 butHowever, some loss of accuracy may occur but you cant fire 5.56 fro a ,223 the gun veary well may blow up." I just wanted to add that because if some poor soal in America sees you post "True Assault rifles are most commonly used by the military, and are usually rendered in caliber .233 ( 5.56 mm for those who use the metric system)." and he has a gun that fires a .223 and goes to walmart and buys a 5.56 nato he or she veary well may blow there hand off.

Source http://www.ehow.com/info_8520435_real-between-556-223-ammo.html

I will have to agree with you in your 3rd paprgaph you say we might and probly will lose more rights if obama is reelected in nov. Judgeing by the bills he proposed and pasted into law like the obama care that will force Americans to have health care orpay for gov. health care or be fined. I find that highly unconstitustional. Also Obamas trying to pass an high compasity magazine ban wich i find veary wrong on the grounds that the citizens should be just as well armed as the goverment.
Thanks for your opinion and may God bless

skaar lalunette2 years ago
http://everything2.com/title/A+comparison+of+personal+freedoms+and+liberties+in+developed+nations on par... perhaps a bit of leeway can be called for, but that's a bit much. there was a chart i saw recently, dang hard to find it in the mess i have, perhaps a bit hard on the states, but showed them ranking at about half of canada for civil liberties, we were tenth on the list though.

to shotgun... perhaps a rifle would be good enough, a tiny little mauser action peashooter with a nice big hole in the stock...
I'll elaborate if we keep it civil. At the time I wrote this I don't think I was aware that the National Long Gun Registry had been repealed from law. Nanny state is a term of British origin that conveys a view that a government or its policies are overprotective or interfering unduly with personal choice. I think that what one person considers an intolerable interference of the state another person feels is a reasonable curtailling of freedom in the public interest. I find it interesting that you say we Canadians can own guns. This is true, but not so many months ago we Canadians had to provide the state with information on long guns we possessed, guns which are difficult to conceal without modifications and with such modifications illegal, and are therefore of limited use to criminal elements; and guns which are rarely used in the commission of offenses. The purpose of the long gun registry was of a political nature; it was to pander to Canada's urban gentry, in particular those in Toronto following the shooting death of Jane Creba, and garner urban support for the Liberal Party of Canada. This was in spite of the fact that none of the shooters involved used a long gun, as the shooters were gang members and carried out the crime with illegal handguns. The long gun registry though, instantly turned previously law abiding citizens into criminals at the stroke of a Liberal pen; I personally chose not to keep a gun after the adoption of the long gun registry, particularly because, should police be visit my home for any reason any query of my name or address would result in police being informed of a gun in the home and the potential of a police confrontation involving my family was too high a risk. The gun registry proved so unpopular throughout the country that a continuous amnesty was granted, however, in a few instances heavy handed police tactics were obfuscated by simply threatening home owners with improper storage and registration charges. So while today you can build the above shotgun, legally, in Canada. It was only a few months ago you would have had to submit a great deal of information to police and state about that gun, and police and the state had the power to enter your home without warrant because you possessed that gun (a fact few in government talked about to law abiding Canadians). Only recently has the new party in power in Canada killed the registry. Previous to this the law proved too onerous to many, such as myself to consider owning a sporting gun. With the recent repeal of the Registry I am now reconsidering my previous choice and am now planning to get my PAL and am shopping for a sporting gun. As a Canadian Sapper who served in the CF I am keenly aware of the destructive nature of firearms, but feel there was little merit to any increase in public safety in the registry.
I think the many US citizens on this site are probably gobsmacked by such an infringement what they consider 1st ammendment rights in Canada (I am aware, Canada has no such rights in it's constitution). As well I agree with you that full-auto weapons should continue to be prohibited in Canada, I'm not in agreement with handguns as I have noted that states where concealed carry is legal have a lower overall incidence of ALL violent crime than Canada. There are other issues as well in Canada including human rights commissions (quasi-legal Canadian courts, where onerous penalties are handed out by busy-bodies untrained in the law, and often fastidious supporters of extremely left-wing policies, against defendants with little in the way of rights and often for behavior that real courts would uphold as lawful). I can go on and on. I will however say, I'm not unhappy in Canada, natural born as you sound like you are...I just think it could be better.
Respectfully to you, "the moon". (Quebecois or Acadian I'm guessing?)
Wow, i wish most people were half as informed as u
amen im a country boy from texas i have a knife on me at all times and in my truck,bags and a shotgun to almost always
ilpug Lt.Greg2 years ago
I usually have a multi-tool and a nicer pocket knife on me. I kinda feel naked without them.
a.steidl8 months ago

Hmmm.....very well thought out. I have an idea, however, that would be excellent to consider adding to the Ultimate Survival Shotgun: A magnifying glass (for making fire), a dosimeter, and finally, a VaulTec Assisted Targeting System.

a.steidl8 months ago

I like the knife right where it's at; it'll keep most zombies from trying to grab yer shotgun from ya, without losing its fingers first.

Southpaw698 months ago

As far as the cordage/sling- You need to take a regular sling, and wrap the paracord around it! That way, if you need to use the cord, you won't have to dismantle your sling to get to it! The first time you need any cord, you will now no longer have a sling! Or, it will be too short.

I think having too much stuff attached to it will make it unwieldy and hard to shoot. I don't think having the knife mounted to the bbl is a good idea. Contrary to other posters opinions, it is not in a position to make a viable bayonet. Shooting birds on the wing in the sky requires good swing of the bbl & follow through- and having all that stuff will make it harder.

As far as ammo- for use against humans, use either 00 or #1 buck or slugs. Bird shot is not recommended. And save the 'will you let me shoot you with it' garbage. I don't want to get shot with a bb gun either, but that still doesn't change the fact that birdshot is very underpowered for humans.

I think you would be better served by putting all this stuff in a small bag that is right next to the shotgun that you sling over your shoulder when grabbing it or attaching it to the sling somehow- along with extra shells and a boresnake and some solvent/oil. Actually, a shoulder slung dump pouch is good for shells and other needed items while shooting in the field. This way, you can get to them quickly, without having to dismantle anything on your firearm. You don't even have to unsling it to get to them with a pouch.

Also, the vertical forend really isnt' suitable for anything other than close range CQB. A SureFire forend with integrated light is a better option.

I'm not trying to dump on your post- just offering some tips & opinions. I've been a certified firearms instructor since 1999 (rifle/pistol/shotgun), and have been shooting since the mid 1980's. I have a mossberg 500 as well, and it's a great shotgun. At any rate, Keep shooting! :-)

Ouranos10 months ago
This thing is amazing thanks for posting it
This is SO FREAKIN' awesome!!! gotta show this to my hunter buddies!!! Peace!
Rambo5561 year ago
great shotgun! i would use different ammo to give myself a better chance of hitting in 1 shot. i would use #6 shot for birds, 3 in. magnum #4 shot turkey loads for turkey sized game, and buck and ball rounds for deer, hogs, etc.
CapnTac1 year ago
Could you look into possibly doing a similar project with a Mosin Nagant or similar bolt-action rifle?
gen814651 year ago
For my "ultimate" survival kit, I like the one mentioned in the movie "Dr. Strangelove". As the bomber is approaching the target, the B-52 pilot, Major T.J. "King" Kong (played by Slim Pickens) does a check list of the items in the standard issue survival kit: "Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: One forty-five caliber automatic,
Two boxes of ammunition, Four days' concentrated emergency rations, One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills, One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible, One hundred dollars in rubles, One hundred dollars in gold, Nine packs of chewing gum, One issue of prophylactics, Three lipsticks, Three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff."
dovehunter22 years ago
Nice! a Bible verse! You should add a New Testament in the stock. I love the shotgun
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How about this one? It's my favourite!

Jesus sez 'Pack Heat' Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
My choice of quotes for pump shotguns is: "Aim. Pull trigger. Pump. Repeat as necessary", but if the survival gun is a double-barrel shotgun, the following (per)verse may seem appropriate: "If thou hast given him all that is in thy left barrel, now give him the full measure of thy right barrel as well. Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition."
BluesBayou2 years ago
Well, a few thoughts. As a nearly retired Infantry Marine (hence that lack of spelling/gramer), I can see the practicality in something like this. The autor did state that he likes to build survival kits and his challenge was to build one into a shot gun. Even though I do not agree to some of the things he did, you have to admit that his intent was met and the mission was accomplished...
- Weight issues putting all this stuff in there shouldn't be an issue provided you are comfortable shooting it - a shot gun is more an area fired weapon vice a point weapon like a rifle. A SG is a work horse, so it make for a good platform for this type of project..
-I think that saw is great, but I think it needs to find a new traveling home (along the barrel??) in the event you take a tumble, the blade will break...
- 550 cord - man ya'll love you some 550 cord.... Always something to carry, all my boys carry 150 feet in their assult packs... Once you start to use it the way you have it now, you won't have a sling - not a big deal though, just carry the SG..
- A handkerchief - fan-freakin-tastic! Hands down one of the best survival tools around that isn't a blade! Why do you think the Boy Scouts still wear them? I wish the mil still had them as a field uniform item, though most who live in the field a lot do carry one or two...
All in all, I wouldn't do any of this (my SG is all wood!) I am partial to a good fishing vest to carry most of my stuff, or my pack when I am at work.. But if you happen to bite it on Day 13 of a survival sit - I wouldn't leave it in the woods either - your legacy would live on!! Good job.
Actually, I think he said he stored the saw blades in the buttstock with most of the rest of the items. As a backup, I'd also pack a small cable saw. It wouldn't work for large branches, but then again, for those I don't believe the sawblade would work either; it would need an axe or hatchet. And as for the 550 cord, I couldn't agree more; you will find more uses for it than you can possibly imagine. Personally, instead of making my sling out of paracord, I simply wrap multiple layers of it around the sling, over and over until the whole thing is about an inch thick. I can get several hundred feet of cord that way, and I can cut off just what I need without reassembling the rest.
asphalt1 year ago
I expected at least half of the modifications to make the weapon illegal. Quite a pleasant surprise.
ZacWolf1 year ago
Understand it's asking a lot, but is there any way you could list out part-numbers and if you used any specific suppliers? I'm new to firearms [as an adult, my father gave me a good overview as a child], so I'd really like to follow your project to the letter, as it speaks to multiple levels of my interest. :)
Looks like all of the links in the "auto-response" are out-of-date as they no longer link to specific products. :(
One other use of the ammunition that you may not have considered: A shotgun shell contains quite a large quantity of gunpowder. If necessary one could cut one of the shells open and use the powder to start a fire. As long as it stays dry, gunpowder can be a very effective firestarter, and if used properly, is really no more dangerous than alcohol or lighter fluid - it's only the primer that you really have to worry about. While perhaps not super safe, it is definitely safer than freezing to death, even if it means that you will have an elevated chance of eventually getting cancer .
Or you could have the knife holder mounted farther up so it also works as a bayonet.
djohnson631 year ago
Great instructable. I hope the recent laws passed in Illinois allow adoptions for these uses.
cashell011 year ago
what kind of model/brand of shotgun is this?
ckeogh1 year ago
Great work! Love it. The one potential criticism I might have though is the addition of a compass. Those little ones (even the best) are notorious for failing. Add to this that you have stuck it on a lump of metal. The compass will never be accurate due to this.

I am at a loss as to suggest some quick fix for this without making a magnetic compass binnacle such as those found on ships. I could only suggest making use of celestial navigation aids instead.

Once again, great work.
onrecess3 years ago
I thought the para-cord sling was genius. I share the love of pumps, but a double lets you switch ammo instantly to shoot a rabbit, a deer, a dove, or a flare. I'd say a mag fed pump like that russian Saiga (but a pump and reliable, which it isn't) would be a great product.
Nice work.
PS: doesn't it pizz you off you can't buy strike anywhere matched anymore? I'm holding my last twenty like they are gold.
I didn't know about the "strike anywhere" matches are gone now. I used to waterproof them with a quick dip in nail polish. Makes them flare up a bit more too.
scuba031 year ago
You look fing badass lol you should market ur idea to a few gun stores
MakarovII1 year ago
Well Ready FOr zombie infection well done this is great and i appreciate it...
olmon2 years ago
Boy - - this instructible sure brought the argumentative jerks out of the woodwork ! ! !
Personally, I would take an air rifle. A twin .177 & .22 caliber. minimal noise, easy to carry a couple thousand rounds & while it won't bring down a deer or a bear, it will certainly do the job for small game, which is what I'd be looking for due to lack of facilities to keep large quantities from spoiling. As for protection from humans, the air rifle shoots @ 1000FPS for the .177 & 800FPS for the .22. That matches the muzzle velocity of a .38 Police Special revolver. I certainly wouldn't want to get shot with one. They can be lethal in the hands of someone who knows how to use one & where to aim.
How did you affix the shell holder onto the side of the stock? If it is a product on the market currently could you post the link? If not please tell how to do that. thank you, and this thing is awesome.
very cool. i also have a mossberg 500 and its very reliable i hunt just about every thing with it i have a slug barell and birdshot barell.
freeza362 years ago
Man, if I came across someone with this thing, I think I'd soil myself.
aattura12 years ago
You really want to put fire starter so close to another source of ignition?? (the shot shells)
zilcho aattura12 years ago
The chances of the fire starting supplies being affected by the shot shells or the heat of the barrel is very small
Vicsfury zilcho2 years ago
the chance of the ammo or the heat from the barrel affecting the fire starting materials is indeed low, however the shower of magnesium sparks next to the ammo and the fire you are building almost directly under it is a risk I personally would not be willing to take firearms safety is a must at all times. the gun/kit seems a bit heavy for my taste but as a poster on another step said you would get used to that, this being said if it is prepacked and you only have time to grab one item on your way to bug out it could certainly have its place. all in all its a good instructable.
skaar2 years ago
solar charged e-book with survival manuals, educational materials and light entertainment on it, something really rugged, with long lasting batteries. in a disaster, the cell phone network and gps may still work fine, use it. a decent cell with a charged disposable phone card, enter some numbers in the phone, get a few hours of talk time, all automated. in a REAL disaster, someone may be able to fix the cell network to do free calls, the company that owns it wouldn't need money anymore. eventually the cards will expire, knowing how to activate them in store would be a good idea.

i spose someone could put a bible on an e-book, or smart phone, but it'd be rather useless, like, it was written by mid-eastdesert dwellers, what's it got on the plants that are safe to eat in north america, russia or the philippines? a smart phone or even a netbook with thousands of books can fit in the space a single real book would take.

a big enough netbook could be slung in a bag, under the barrel, a waterproof usb powered flashlight plugged into it through a gasket on the side of the bag to an encapsulated solar panel charger, add a flip down cover to keep it in the dark when you don't need the reflections. a spare few led throwies hung on a tree branch to distract someone that may be looking for you would be good too.
deanlol2 years ago
If someone steals this while you're asleep, your screwed. Something about putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind.
skaar2 years ago
the grip on the pump... if it's aluminum, maybe it'd work as a pot to boil water in, less fragile than the baking pan.
skaar2 years ago
are there any similar flashlights with isolated charge ports? if so, a small solar panel on top, or a generator radio could charge the flashlight.
drewgie892 years ago
The only thing I would add is a Gun strap so while traveling you may sling it over your shoulder instead of carrying it. This would free up your hands to help others (who may be injured) or carry some other supplies, etc...
james42 years ago
I find that buck shot works very nice. In between the slug shot and the bird shot.
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Whitemonk922 years ago
From the looks of it, that's a very large cobra weave for your sling, so isn't it true that once you begin unraveling and utilizing your cordage you no longer have a sling?
You could always save the last few feet of cord and tie it back to the sling swivels.
Gunther452 years ago
Actually one of the most practical Survival Shotguns I have seen. Like it a lot.
Did you make the paracord sling? Very Nice!
Looks like you could utilize picatinny rails on the forearm for more storage of Batteries or what not as well, just a thought.
very nice and practical !
Like the aluminum baking pan idea. And to all your critics. The best kit and the best weapon, are ones you have with you.
Amen Panzerfaust379 -- you are absolutely correct!
(I have a hunting jacket that has: 60 feet of 550 cord in the collar; a small plastic bag in one pocket, that holds two hand warmers, a whistle, a small signal mirror, a single-edge razor blade, three water-purification tablets and a small penlight;, a small multi-tool in the shoulder pouch; a second small bag with a few chunks of jerky in another pocket; a small multi-beam flashlight on the zipper tab; and two large plastic garbage bags folded up inside the game pouch on the back. Most of my coats have some variation of these items, although that particular cost is the one with the most equipment in/on it.
Lt.Greg Lt.Greg2 years ago
I forgot to add the 6 matches plus striker in the first bag, and a small ferocerrium rod in the other pocket. Speaking of ferrocerrium rods - the best tinder of these is a few cotton balls rolled around in petroleum jelly and stuffed into a tiny plastic bag.
Tuck Tucker2 years ago
I wish I could find a better folding front grip. Those kind break easily. Looking for something more durable. They are under $10.00 on Amazon and I bought a couple spares after the first one broke for unknown reasons before I even got to fire the rifle.
Despite the criticism it looks to me like you had fun building your USS and I enjoyed reading about your build. Simple fact is if you want something like this you need to build it, try it, re-build it, and keep trying it till you get it the way YOU want it.
Grampa told us we needed to, "stay warm and don't break nothing". Every thing else is luxury. Most who die in the wild die from exposure or accidental injury.
Man,Even though I'm Really twelve it's just so amazing to see survival in one shotgun.
Well,when i grow up i'll think I'll get a shotgun and try and do this myself ...
djzadjza2 years ago
how much does that whole loadout weigh?
jessopher2 years ago
My 2 cents on the matches and firesteel:
a) matches are not very reliable, take bic lighters
b) take firesteel if you want, but bic lighters can do the same thing.

situations when using the flare makes sense:
a) you are not a survivalist worth your survival salt/salary (probably not the guy who takes flares with him hunting, but maybe)
b) your lighters and or firesteel get lost, or you use them up.

c) you are too weak or injured to continue trying to light it with a lighter. Or if you are actually cold and shaking and your hands aren't doing what you want them to (fear of impending doom, and being near hypothermic can turn the deftest hands to quivering sausages).

FYI just because it is a flare, doesnt mean you have to actually shoot it at your fire. You can just use the gunpowder and magnesium to aid you in making the fire with the bic lighters. Actually, the type of fire you are probably building in a survival situation would not stand up to the blast of a 12 gauge flare, so if you do shoot your fire, make sure its not a bunch of pine cones and cardboard. In a survival situation, sane people might actually make this mistake, so its not a joke.
pudicobar2 years ago
a country boy can survive, says the song....
retrosurfer2 years ago
The foil pan is a interesting addition to a survival kit. Ive tried it though and you can't depend on being able to unfold it without it leaking in my experience. Ive replaced that type of pan buy carrying a small roll of heavy industrial metal foil that I can shape as needed and seems to last longer when being folded and manipulated have you ever tried tat and if so why do you prefer the pan.
retrosurfer2 years ago
Very interesting project and some interesting ideas. personally I would never do that just because I don't think it's practical to carry that kind of weapon for survival especially in a urban escape/survival situation which about 90% of all people will be doing if something catastrophic occurs and if your not in a urban environment then just build a shelter with all you equipment properly stored. I carry a Small pack with all my survival gear in it in my vehicle at all times and in a scabbard on the side of that bag rides a Remington 870 with a folding stock and a shortened barrel. I have a even smaller escape and evade pack built around a colt 45 auto with a simile assortment of ammunition one that could be hide until needed in a true urban event.

All that said well thought out project and thanks for sharing it.
i am kinda dissapointed no offence though it is just i thought u were gonna make a real shotgun not a mod of a shotgun
mwuchevich3 years ago
I would strongly suggest that you submit this instrictuable to the Army. I belive this item would be albe to help save a many service men. Thank you for such a good idea.
I agree, doing service they kept telling us - NEVER LOOSE YOUR WEAPON!!!
That's an understatement. in the British Army we get a massive bollocking if our weapon is more than arms length away at any point in time. even when your taking a dump. we also have to keep them inside our sleeping bags (maggots) at night when we are not on stag.
I have to disagree. It is one more item to add to the 150+ pounds of gear you already carry. If I'm going to be carrying an additional weapon I am better off carrying a handgun. Other than a saw I've pretty much have everything on the list already.
more of an intention to have in vehicles for quick grabs after and incident or crash or bugout. but then other survivor packs are alread in the vehicles.
I remember how much "crap" we carried in the jeeps, then the humvees.
boris4002 years ago
i think this idea is ingenious but a little unnecessary. i would just include a comando wire saw. you are less limited on the size of stuff to cut and it is much smaller than carrying two saw blades. the wire saws can be used to cut wood and metal and anything in between. also if you cover it with a peice of rubber tube you cannot cut yourself or anything else when it is stored in the buttstock. im not saying your idea is wrong but this is how i would do it. By the way i love the concept of a shotgun survival kit. i also think the flares are pretty cool. we cannot get them in the UK unless you have a weird calibre flaregun.
menahunie2 years ago
I use the Springfield M6 over under survival gun.
It is a break open rifle and shotgun.

http://www.survival-gear-guide.com/images/springfield-m6-survival-rifle-21317471.jpg
bwilson52 years ago
As nice as Matches are, wouldn't a firesteel or magnesium striker be a bit more sustainable for long term survival?
Robot Lover2 years ago
I would have to agree with the people that say it's not good to keep everything in one place. However, this is great for say, a natural disaster (or other survival situation) because you can grab it and go. I would then re-arrange everything i.e. put the knife on my belt, survival materials in my pocket etc. so if I lose the gun, I still have everything else.
black hole2 years ago
Great job. The people who go wailing on, "Oh, now your gun is too heavy!" "Oh, if you're disarmed, you've lost your survival kit" really have no idea what they're talking about. First, who's going to disam you in the woods? Second, this should be intended as a backup to the main kit.
5 stars.
Ever lose your footing? you never tripped on a hidden root? never had to cross a creek river or stream? if this is a backup what happened to the primary? if it happend to that gear it can happen to this gear. Survival is not a game of speculation, it's the art of eliminating risks.
EdmundSquid3 years ago
This sounds a bit like putting all of your eggs into one basket, to me. I dig the shot gun as the general purpose hunting-self defense weapon. But I like to keep it simple and just let the shot gun do what it does best KILL STUFF!!!!
I guess you prefer frantically searching for what you need to save your life? All this stuff is detachable and rearrangable, the point is to have it all in one easy to grab location for immediate use and later redistribution.
Hey man, no offense. Just one mans opinion. Most of what I need to save my life is in my head, the rest is just tools. Shotgun is a damn nice tool though. Mine is a base model Mossberg tactical 12 guage pump with the same integrated pistol grip. Nice gun, fun to shoot. Mine does not have the pistol grip forearm though. Have a good one!
well, i can see both of your sides to the story. I honestly prefer having all the tools ON the gun, for the sole purpose that a situation only arises once and a while. If you have somehing happen in the middle of the night (you are sleeping) it would be quicker to react and grab the gun and a small bag than lots of stuff. It IS a very practical idea, and it looks like it would be really good if you are going to be moving around alot. A light, kinfe, flares, every thing you need is in the plam of your hands. That in it self benifits you by leaving extra space for room in your pack.
bad move having everyting on the gun. Take it from a REAL Professional not a poser... Lose the gun and you lose everything... and that would probably include your life... there is a reason why belts and vests are used to DISTRIBUTE the necessary gear in real world situations instead of putting it all on one carrier.
EdmundSquid has a point. say somehow you loose the gun. well you just lost allot of stuff. maybe not all your stuff but a good portion of it.
He has a great point, if you lose the gun, you lose just about everything. But in an emercency situation where you have to get-up and go, it is convient!
vincent75203 years ago
using a bandana as a "last ditch toilet paper" in survival conditions ????………
what a joke !!…
who, in TRUE survival conditions, would waste such a precious piece of material ??…
C'mon ! … Be sensible : if you really need to wipe your behind do what all generations did (but those from the late 20th century western countries) : use a large leaf, a ball of clean fresh grass, or … a nicely polished stone !!…

I'm 60+ years old, and when I was a kid we used to roam in the country : we didn't stick close to the house because one of us may have had an urgent need !… We just crouched behind a tree and used what was at hand to clean up, and back on the "war path" with the rest of the gang !…

There are many things country people from the older generations did daily without pretending it to be "survival".

This example tells what modern "survival" is all about : a game for adults who didn't grow up or who were denied of hiking and boy scouting when they were kids !!!…
"There are many things country people from the older generations did daily without pretending it to be "survival". "

Like walk 20 miles to school in the snow, uphill & back? :-) I keed! I appreciate the Get the Hell Off My Lawn mentality.

What I really wanted to say is the leaves from Mullein make excellent toilet paper.
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Right on ! …

Anyway, toilet paper is NOT a survival issue …
Or we're talking about workshops for suburbanites that do not what to do with their week ends !!!…
I think you mean a "survival TISSue"
:D
Not to mention he decided to use the American Flag...
Well … What can you expect from somebody who thinks he's in survival conditions
just when he feels he's too far from the bathroom when he needs to go ?…

What a joke ! ………  :D :D
so tell us how you really feel
If you want to test real survival, do as some armies training do (I talk about the French, because it is the only one I know about…I guess other armies, certainly including the US, do the same).
Drop a couple of guys in the tropical rain forest with nothing but their clothes and on them and one army knife the ask them to hike back to camp which is about 8 days walk from where they were dropped.
Of course this needs training before : but that what survival is, peeing on your wounds for disinfection, using ants heads for stitching a wound (catch the ant, make it bite on both sides of the wound and chop the body off for the head to remain in …); making weapons with your bare hands (well with knife…) and most of it finding food among all the plants that surround you and find a way to find the right direction… (mostly what Rambo showed us in its 1st movie : bare hands, there is no need for guns or killing people: stay away from them).
I would have more chance of survival with a woodsman from the 19th century than with a fully loaded and armed 21st century hiker : the 1st knows how to deal with nature, the second relies on heavy equipment for an uncertain result.

Then again I view urban survival as a pure fantasy created by movies and Armagedon literature : true the world is coming to a change, but there is nothing to predict that in the next 100 years we will be in a situation where everyone will have to fight against everyone after a huge fallout from either a tsunami, atom bombs, meteorites, gamma ray from outer space, etc … 
This is pure fear fantasy : nothing in our recent history allows us to foresee that. Although it is true we will are facing tremendous systemic changes. We have to adapt.

I don't know if I really answered your question.
yep, that did it thanks.
you're welcome.
have a good week-end.
i believe kronis was asking a rhetorical albiet satyrical question. Vincent, I do not appreciate your age discrimination. I challenge you to a pooping in the woods duel. I have been pooping without TP since I was a wee lad.
1) I didn't feel kronis xas either satirical or rhethorical.
2) If I understand you well you follow the same line a mine : you wouldn't use a bandana as toilet paper.
So. What's the big deal ? … 
in the last part you forgot zombies XD
my bad !!… :D
goldedrago2 years ago
you sir are ready for the zombie apocolypse....can i live with you?.....lol
Am I the only one who has noticed that his knife is pointless on the shotgun, considering the blade is set back to far to pass the end the barrell...Please dear sir, tell me you have gotten a longer blade or have re-adjusted the mount?
I think the knife is designed to be detachable.
cleage0012 years ago
Can you do this to an Atchisson AA-12?
Just asking.
I am unfamiliar with the mossberg 500, my personal preference is the benelli nova pump action. my problem is that i cant find anyplace that sells the modifications that i need for a survival shotgun. anybpody know of anyplace?
You could get a bandolier strap, that would certainly increase your round capacity.
I'm thinking of using an AR-15, with 37mm flare launcher on the front.
Astarax3 years ago
Hmm, what if you lose your weapon? ;)
Same as if you lose any other survival kit: You're gonna have to improvise. At least starting out with this, you have some better chances though, right?
Uhm not really a true statement. If you lost this weapon you have lost your entire kit. If I were to lose my shotgun I would be out a shotgun. The rest of my gear would still be on me.

I have serious doubts about the function of the shotgun with so much added gear. All of these items could be added to a shotgun case, and better gear to boot. That knife under the barrel is silly. Even when removed it would tear your hand to shreds if you were to use it under stress. With the addition of a case one could increase the ammo count. I like the idea of a grab and go but this is too fantastical and not nearly as well thoughtout. But it looks like a fun build. Where is the sling?

Boiling is not 100% way to make safe drinking water. Heavy metals and poison do not go away because of boiling.
krevok monet1083 years ago
If you lose a shotgun you have more to worry about than the "gear that is on you".

The shotgun will function normally whether the added gear is there or not. Doubting it's function is silly....

The knife would tear your hands up only if they were made of paper, I don't really understand your comment. Perhaps you should instruct Ka-bar in making knives.

This is a well thought out build. Please post an improved build if this one is not sufficient.

Though I completely agree a sling is an absolute must.
monet108 krevok3 years ago
Simply my opinion....on a design that is self labeled as the "Ultimate Survival Shotgun". Reading the comments section only supports how important someone step back and interject a little reality into this subject.

Krevok you ever shoot a shotgun? You ever try getting a bead on doves in a high wind, when they seem to be flying at 75 miles an hour? You think a shotgun that has all that weight on it is going to help or hurt the primary function for which that tool is used for. Not doubting this shotguns function is beyond silly...and it shows you lack of experience.

The knife in this build is beyond useless. On the handle of this knife there is an attachment point that would dig into you hands. The design of this knife has to be for pure novelty. But it is pleasant to see rabid brand loyalty in someone.

This is a well constructed instructable and I truly appreciate the energy and imagination that went into this. However I do not believe it is a well thought out build, when it comes to survival. I stand by my statement that a hard rifle case would accomplish the same effect, a single item to grab and go. Additionally you would be able to incorporate much better tools than the compromises he had to make to get those tools to fit his shotgun.

The best part of this instructable is that it allows you and I to have this exchange. It made us both examine our thoughts on what is needed in a survival situation and we are both a little better for it.
krevok monet1082 years ago
"Krevok you ever shoot a shotgun? You ever try getting a bead on doves in a high wind, when they seem to be flying at 75 miles an hour? You think a shotgun that has all that weight on it is going to help or hurt the primary function for which that tool is used for. Not doubting this shotguns function is beyond silly...and it shows you lack of experience. "

To your first question: Yes, I shoot all the time. To your second question: they only seem to fly that fast if you 'lack experience' which I certainly do not. I shoot trap almost every week when the weather permits (average 19 out of 20 birds). You sir, sound like the inexperienced one. Trap guns are on average heavier than most pumps and are preferred for the reduced recoil, which is due to the increased weight. Most novices know this...your 'reality' is misguided my friend.

I am not a brand loyalist, I merely pointed out the lack of merit in your comment. I don't own a Ka-bar, but I still see no part of the knife that would hurt your hands.

With this said, I would still be interested to see your build and the differences between it and this one.

The i dont like it because its useless if i lose it argument? Man That Corvette ZR1 is a sweet car but my honda is better, because what happens if you crash your vette? i still jave a way to work. So my car is better that is exactky what you are saying, Cool Idea With the knife all the way forward like a bayonet does it interfere with the spread on bird shot?

All in all Good Job Dude Anyone can sit and critiscize what someone else did or didnt do, To anyone out there that has anything but a question on what products are what and where to get them or how to do something make your own instructable and show us how it really should be done.

(of course its just how you think it should be done, but from the comments ive read, obviously your mommy tells you you are perfect in every way, so you are in for a big surprise when you get out into the real world.
koehavael092 years ago
Just when you think this gun couldnt get redneck enough there's a bible verse on it too lol Just poking fun its a pretty awesome gun
to those who are concerned about carrying more than one type of shells in the field and getting in dutch with the authorities - don't! Carry only shotshells - birdshot is good and if you need a slug, make a quick cut shell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOU
sevenTseven2 years ago
This is pretty much awesome. I just need to buy a shotgun to add to my arsenal so I can do this.
altomic2 years ago
This is awesome.
Just what I need for when the Soviets invade.
astrong02 years ago
now the only problem i see is if the compass is too close to the ferric steel barrel of the shotgun it would make it almost useless.
ilpug astrong02 years ago
The compass is on the flashlight which is aluminum or titanium. The light detaches, so you can get a reliable reading that way.
Henge2 years ago
Beware of local hunting laws. In my state of MN, carrying 2 types of ammo in one gun (sabot slug and bird shot) is a big no-no and can result loss of hunting privileges or worse. Hate to be the square.
jdbak Henge2 years ago
I'm not sure what some of these comments are based on. This is a survival tool. ie. outdoors personal protection-now lost. Not some face-painted militia yahoo or a poacher/hunter. So if the authorities show up to give you a ticket for two types of rounds in your shotgun, the happiness of being found may overwhelm the bummer of the "ticket". The official may even understand that your circumstances were alittle one-off the norm. Don't lose the plot.
Henge jdbak2 years ago
That's a fair criticism, however, encouraging people to enter the wood with a potentially illegal weapon is not something to take lightly.
jdbak Henge2 years ago
True. As I understand it, the weapon isn't illegal , the loading of two types of ammo is. Would it be unreasonable to assume you carry the two or three types( 2-4 of each type required ) and load what you may require given your situation? Ie. if you were to get lost.
Henge jdbak2 years ago
That's what I do with my 870.
Beemerboy3 years ago
You know.... After reading all of your prep stuff, I don't think you know anything about survival at all.

That shot gut was a pretty practical weapon till you went overboard with the add-ons. Plastic stocks? Fine. Adding a flash light will only cause your adversary to shoot at the light! and you get shot in the head! Your knife goes in your belt.

I look at it this way... If all of my junk is attached to my shot gun, as soon as I'm disarmed, all of my most important survival stuff is gone too. My game is going to be to lay low, be quiet, stay away from military and police groups and share with my neighbors.

"Rambo thinking" is not thinking.
WOW really guess what if you got disarmed and your main weapon of survival is a shotgun then your a dead man any ways to be so stupid to let some body take your weapon.... the shotgun is to use for hunting and SELF DEFENSE you use the shot gun to make sure you don't get disarmed STUPID PPL REALLY...
That's fantastic if you're trying to lie low. He's talking about being out in the wilderness, where you might have to do what he said that you might have to do, which is why he said it. If you're trying to fight someone off, get a new AK with a polymer stock. Something reliable that won't break, and you can still keep things in. If you're going deer hunting, are lost in the woods, are shipwrecked, stranded, etc., this is perfect. I'm afraid that you misunderstood, reread it with a different mentality, and you might rethink your conclusion.
bobert6102 years ago
Dude, this would be bear gryl's / McGyver's dream tool. Excellent Instructable, with some of the clearest instructions and steps. Most survival kit 'ibles just say here is what you need and here is where to put it, but they don't show how or where. They just say "here's an altoids tin, shove it all in willy-nilly". This Shotgun has organization and efficiency! Beautiful Project!

Happy surviving my friend!
Don't you know MacGyver, he hates guns
Know what I want for Christmas. Good job!
Airth2 years ago
I admit I was skeptical at first, but this is a great modification that will pay dividends should you need any of it. If nothing else, having an aspirin and some sunscreen available *in* your weapon will impress all your huntin' buddies!
RangerJ2 years ago
I enjoyed this instructable and both videos. Very interesting. Good job, thought provoking.
lol link2 years ago
epic fail not its epic how could you make something like this on your own
HickLife2 years ago
Great Instructable. Great way to put everything all on your weapon. Though I will say like a few others have I wouldn't put a few of those things on there personally. But like you said at the beginning all you wanted to do is put it all on there. And you never said said you would prefer it that way. again great instructable, and I will definitely be stealing some of your ideas.
RangerJ2 years ago
I would include at least a rudimentary gun cleaning kit, if nothing but oil, patches, and a string to pull a patch through the barrel. This would be something that I would carry in the handle.
Eye Poker2 years ago
If I might be so bold to suggest a small tube of super glue. Works for both medicine and potentially fixing small plastic breaks.
voyageur102 years ago
Great build! Thanks
zerochance2 years ago
Very clever mod here, I love it.
This is done brilliantly! you've really covered all your bases
aattura12 years ago
Interesting! But how does all of this affect gun balance, weight distribution and heft???
Kyrc00 aattura12 years ago
*shakes head* Just like any modification, you'll get used to it.
zilcho2 years ago
Does that mean you have to bring a screw driver to get to the goods?
I dig this post willowhaven. People can sharpshoot the finer points all they want. Theres a million different ways to argue that something won't work. A million different ways to think out how Murphy can get you. Point is this is a good way to add a little redundancy to the necessities: Fire Shelter Water Food. Cant hurt to have redundancy in those areas IMO. Kit on your person, kit on your weapon, kit in your vehicle, kit in your pack. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Keep it simple, keep it light, keep it easy to carry and keep multiples. Create options. Willowhavens shown me a few things I might apply and some I might disregard but he's shown me something new to me and got me thinking. Mission accomplished.
The only thought I have is that you may want to use the stainless version (sometimes called a boat gun) that way rust and corrosion is not a problem especially if you live in an area near the ocean or worried about fallout from a volcano which produces particularly corrosive ash. In a survival situation your mind will be focused on other things most likely. I don't know about the mossburg but I do know that the remington 870 has one in stainless. You can always have a gunsmith blue it or do something horrible like paint it if you don't like the brightness of it
The Mossberg 500 comes in a stainless version called the Mariner 500. The 500 series has sort of been pushed aside by the sexier 590 series, which the USMC recently adopted as their fighting shotgun, but the 500 is still a great weapon. Mine is outfitted with a side saddle and forward-mounted light. I also upgraded the carrier and mag spring to a heavy duty version. That's all, except for the sling.
I like my 870 better, but the 500 is the one with a shorter bbl, so its the house gun.

There's a "dip tank" thing, where they can put almost any color or pattern on the gun, or you can have it parkerized, and there are some other options as well. If it were me, I think I'd just get a roll of the camo tape they sell for gun bbls.
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Lt.Greg2 years ago
OK Sparky - you DEFINITELY get an A-++ for ingenuity and careful planning. But there's just one tiny thing wrong with this concept. You'll need a truck if you're actually going to carry it further than a few hundred yards! I didn't see if you gave the full load-out weight, but its gotta be in excess of 16 pounds! Ever actually CARRY that much weight in the field in your hands? There's a good reason the Army went to Combat tupperware pistols and Matel toy rifles in the early Sixties, and if you've ever humped a full Alice pack or hunted on foot with even a 10-pound rifle, you'll know exactly what I mean!

GREAT way to use all the available space - I LOVE the concept. But I don't think I'd like carrying this beast for too long. Put that stuff into a decent day pack from Maxpedition, and strip the weapon to just an extended mag, ONE side saddle, and a decent flashlight on the fore end. You might also keep cleaning supplies in the various compartments along with extra batteries for the light, but skip the bayonett Skippy - you ain't Rambo, you ain't gonna go mano-a-mano with a BG, and that lug is illegal in many areas! Oh and make sure you install a HD mag spring and bright-colored metal follower, and put in a split carrier. If you really want it to run like a champ send it to Hans Vang and tell him to install his basic package - what I mentioned plus he'll rebore the barrel so it puts everything into an 8 inch dia pattern at 30 - 40 yards.

Other than that - really really fantastic ibble - you really know your field!

Greg
the lug is even illegal in Texas, I suppose you could get a FFL03 license for it... but that is another 200 dollars.
jdkchem Lt.Greg2 years ago
16 pounds and you need a truck? The Army was using the M1911 .45 pistol into the 80's. You do realize snipers hump the 30 pound Barrett and the M240 is 26 pounds.
I do agree with you about getting a day pack. Though I would get a scabbard for the shotgun as well.

Yes, I've humped a full Alice pack as well as an M60 and 80mm mortar.
aattura12 years ago
Make sure you have UNLOADED the gun before using the saw!!
aattura12 years ago
Great! Rescue whistle s best if plastic-- in cold weather a metal whistle can freeze to your lips.

Bic Ligher with a flint is great -- if you run out of lighter fluid-- you still have THE FLINT to start fires with.
bill8052 years ago
Although the idea behind the design was to "grab & go" with no extra pack items, my guess would be that in a serious bug out the author would have a backpack with water filter, shelter, maps and chow handy, too.

It all depends on how much time you have and where you are headed and how long you expect to be there.

I don't see this shotgun as being a complete kit ... but it would make a great completer.
tool_773 years ago
truly amazing gun giong to be making one myself as soon as i get the money , one suggestion tough would be getting a small blade gaurd for the saw just to aviod accidents. however i look foward to seeing things like this from peopple more often.
aorcutt tool_772 years ago
the saw is removable and fits in the buttstock so no accidents lol
hellstudios3 years ago
Say, is the pistol grip really needed?

seems like it would just add extra weight.
The pistol grip adds extra storage space.
The pistol grip is a matter of taste. I do not like pistol grips on rifles or shotguns as for me they're uncomfortable. As for extra storage space I can fit the same items in a pocket.
niw2cp3 years ago
UNLOAD your weapon at this point.
Haha sure is true.

Great instructable, I really like how you stuff so many things inside a gun :)
I wonder how heavy it is....
most of the stuff he added is fairly lightweight. with the heaviest items being the knife and the torch, I doubt it would be much more than a couple hundred grams heavier than the original weapon.
hmm, I've made a couple of altoid mint survival packs over the years and they all weighted in the end more than an iPhone 4... And thats only for a altoids tin!
mmm... but, when you compare that weight to a gun, while a gun is not necessarily heavy, the weight of an iPhone 4 if minuscule. If it's light enough to carry in your pocket, then it can't be more than a couple hundred grams. Please don't try to counter my point. It's not that I want the last word, it's just that I've gotten into a number of bad arguments on Instructibles and I'd like to try and avoid another if at all possible.
Ha, no bad arguments here. You have valid points.
Yes the 'contrast' of weight is much less when the thing you're carrying is more heavier by itself.
And you're right, I broke out the scale and the heaviest altoids kit weighted just over 150grams, and the tin itself is about 13 grams.
DeadIron2 years ago
I love the saw idea! I have used a firearm for many survival things, but this is a new one!

Great work!
steve_budde2 years ago
Very nice instructable. I don't have a shotgun and living in the city don't usually need one, but I liked this one for it's creativity and multitasking ability. I have also included a couple of things from your survival kit into mine when I go camping. Very informative, thanks.
vincent75203 years ago
who said survival is about killing others ??…`there are many "survival" situations that will never need the use of violence.
Sorry to be blunt, but I really think the whole thing is preposterous …
Survival isnt about killing others, it is about being ready for anything and everything. in an urban setting you when supplys may be strained or there are people who are trying to kill other people, i would rather have a shotgun, or any gun for that for the ability to protect myself and loved ones.
tool_77 klinko3 years ago
dont be a troll dude.
klinko tool_773 years ago
What is a troll? Sorry, kinda new to the Internet. And are you replying to me or the person above me?
I understand that a troll in the internet linguo is about a post that intends to provoke an angry answer. It was not my intention, I just wanted to give a different point of view on survival. However, as I said, it true that Instructables.com isn't the proper place for such a discussion.

So, klinko you don't have to worry : I'm pretty sure the reply was intended to me !!…

Cheers

:)
I think you have a valid idea, many people feel the same way and I can understand, I have never been in a survival situation when I ha to worry about other people, though in situations like a revolution or with an opresive government or tyrant it may be higher up on the survival chain. Around WA, it would be impractical right now though I wouldn't mind haveing one in the closet.
hotrod1 klinko2 years ago
i absolutley love how everyone is arguing about this. Marvelous trolling sir! well done, and a hearty handshake and a pat on the back
Ok, sorry… didn't intend to at all.

Have a nice day too.
Oh well… I guess Instructables.com isn't the proper place to discuss about survival politics.
But I do fail to see any sign of a coming Armagedon in the next future except in the heads of those who feel that changes we are witnessing mean the end of the world, which is certainly not.

Have a nice day.
80$man2 years ago
Very good Instructable, I enjoyed your approach, very methodical and thorough.
Mossberg 500, the epitome of a pump action shotgun... Must buy one asap.
abrown392 years ago
I dig the fire starter integrated into the stock of the shotgun, that is a cool idea, nice instructable and great concept, dont listen to all the people who say" this, this, and this is wrong,and i would do that, and you shouldnt do that", people just dont seem to get, you arent holding the shotgun to there head and saying you have to mount the knife here and the light here, the only comment that actually was helpfull was the guy who said "a sling would be nice", and it would or one of those shotgun scabbard sling pack things, but a all in one grab and go shotgun survival kit is a great idea, id love a 410 or a 20 guage but they dont make flare loads in those calibers, or any other specialty loads for that matter
OneHoleBull2 years ago
Excellent Idea. I plan to incorporate many of these ideas on my 22/410
survival firearm. I would also add two nylon ponchos in a compact stuff pouch
for shelter/element protection/camo. Thanks again for excellent post.
OneHoleBull
ammonihah993 years ago
Doesn't Mossberg 500 come with a bayonet lug? Or is the 590?
There are several different flavors of 590. The 590A1 is the one with the bayonet lug. I've never actually found a reason to attache a bayonet though..
rhughes3 years ago
I can sort of understand the idea of wanting to have everything within reach. However, speaking from the personal experience of carrying a fully loaded M590A1 (7 in the mag & 6 on a sidesaddle) for hours on end the last thing I'd want to do is add more weight to the barrel.

Cool idea, but I think I'll carry my knife on my belt :-)
Agreed. I think the idea is to have one item to grab, the SG, then redistribute from there when a break in the drama occurs. I can see the author's point. Not sure I'd want as big and large a knife as the 5" K-bar, but I'd at least want a folder clipped to the SG sling.
dent2443 years ago
i would suggest mounting the knife further up to be used as a bayonet also. you may save ammo or your life.
That particular barrel mounted rail does not seem to have a rail under the barrel. Besides, if you really wanted to use it as a bayonet you could just slide the rail mount to the end of the barrel. It doesn't make a lot of difference if the bayonet is on the side. You should also remember that a bayonet will make the gun more difficult to aim and control. The knife being far from the end of the barrel helps with that. All of that being said, a bayonet would be useful in a survival situation, as you wouldn't have to get as close to a dangerous wild animal to kill it.
"All of that being said, a bayonet would be useful in a survival situation, as you wouldn't have to get as close to a dangerous wild animal to kill it."

Isn't that what the shotgun is for? ;)
Until you run out of shells. Maybe there's a lot of angry bears. Or more likely the powder gets wet.
isnt there a way to get water proof rounds? i know certain weapons in military testing have to got through many test including being submerged in water and in mud and sand and a stress test after each and continue to fire. i beleive one was the automatic shotgun the AA-12
Most SG shells could be classified as "water resistant". Birdshot used for waterfoul particularly so.

You can seal SG shells yourself. Put primer sealer on the primer and use some silicone based sealant (RTV) on the crimp and it should be waterproof for at least temporary immersion. Make sure no sealant is on the sides of the shell that might cause problems feeding or ejecting. Rub off any excess sealant from crimp while it is still wet. Make sure the crimp and primer are clean, like with acetone, prior to applying either sealant and it should adhere much better.
Ripper03113 years ago
I think the point of having it mounted on your shotgun is less as a bayonet and more of just a way to keep it attached to your gun until you are in the survival situation, at which point you can detach and put it on your belt.
Bingo. That is my take also. You have one item, the SG, to grab and go, then redistribute at your convenience. If you wanted to expand the amount of stuff one could put a carry strap on the SG that could have a small survival belt pack on it that could be detached and put on waist.
rplocher3 years ago
I'm sure the author of this instructable would agree that having a knife on your belt would be ideal in many if not most survival situations. However it is clearly explained on the first page where the author states:

"My challenge was that everything had to be included in or on the gun itself – no extra pack items or containers."

Also, I've seen these Ka-Bar knives that mount to a picatinny rail. They come with a user friendly quick release. Problem solved. ; )

One.3 years ago
You sir, have just created the most beautiful and effective tool I have ever seen in my entire life. If you made these for a living, people would buy them.
You have earned yourself a subscription and my greatest respect.
but...
WOOOOOOOOOOOT THAT WAS TOTALLY COOL HOW YOU PUT THAT STUFF IN A SHOTGUN WITH THE AMMO AND THE SURVIVAL STUFF I AM SO IMPRESSED BY THAT LIKE TOTALLY LOLZ0RZ
ccobbett3 years ago
can you fathom how dangerous it is to keep a knife mounted permenatly on a shotgun??? Its like keeping a top-heavy spear lying around all the time just waiting to tip over and slice the hell out of you. If this is really for a survival situation just keep the knife on your belt, there is no need for a mounted blade on a double barreled weapon.
One. ccobbett3 years ago
this is no double barrel firearm...
the knife has a sheath to safe it...
and if you are intelligent you store your firearms barrel down unless they are in a safe...
The knife has a sheath. The knife can't cut anyone when the sheath is on.

Where is the double barreled weapon that the blade is mounted to????
nathanAGNEW3 years ago
Need some place to put a hand shovel.
ddbdymn3 years ago
If you don't want to use a sling then you can do like me and wrap your stock in paracord. It doubles as a cheek rest so bonus points there.
Dazinth3 years ago
I think some people are over looking important feature to his additions. I see this shotgun as a I would see a survival backpack that I would keep in the back of my truck. Being able to grab this and start walking I would remove some of the items and place them on my belt or in my pockets. Once you are in a survival situation you don't need to keep the knife on the gun or the flashlight even. With the shoulder strap and the ability to remove items the weight would not be a problem and I think it is an awesome idea.
If given unbridled choice, pretty hard to beat the AA-12. Doesn't get more "survivalist" than that!
kellis23 years ago
Now this is a good idea.
kellis23 years ago
Interesting. That shotgun now weighs over ten pounds. Not good for a gun you intend to carry. The best place for carrying gear is on your person, not in or on something that can be lost rather easily. So what this has done is provide a false sense of security to the user that he/she has all that they need to survive in the shotgun behind the seat. Except they were shooting it at the range and forgot to put it back in the truck after cleaning it and now they have nothing in the way of tools that they have practiced with. Survival is most often the result of unintentional circumstances. So unless they were out hunting (and this isn't really that practical a hunting weapon now that it's loaded down) they are now in a bad way. This is a good concept for a back up situation, where the things on/in this gun back up what's on one's person. But I argue that the weight of the gun alone would find it most often left behind. Don't believe me, carry it around with you for a while, then go straight to the range and shoot it with all those "accessories" mounted. I bet you don't get through all 19 rounds before you're stripping it. It's a good idea to carry spare ammo on the gun, and maybe some basic kit (waterproof matches, a lighter, or firesteel, maybe some water purification tablets), but to depend on it as your main kit is misguided. On the flip side, this is a well done instructable.
Anything else negative to say about it? Wow. The author puts in a HUGE amount of effort and you sully his dignity... Nice going, troll.

Most survival backpacks or bugout bags weigh appx five to ten lbs depending on what the owner packs into it. This shotgun, even with those extras would only be a pound or two over the heaviest pre-made survival kit. Maybe the author lives in the country and has no use to go to a firing range. Many people who hunt usually don't go to firing ranges, at least not where I'm from.

Given, you did give him credit for a well made instructable, but you should give him credit for his ingenuity, his efforts, and his incredible knowledge of useful information.

Great Job willowhavenoutdoors. This was one of the best and most uniqe survival kits i've seen. Keep on keepin' on, and don't worry about the troll, he's just jealous. =D
I believe that you have missed the intent of the comment I made. Seems you may have been a little anxious to start slinging mud and calling names. That's OK, some folks are just wired that way. I don't believe that in any way I attacked this man's dignity. The comment I made is called constructive criticism. I never stated that he was inferior, that his idea was stupid, or called him a troll. I merely stated that the idea has some flaws. Most ideas do. I have many of those flawed ideas every day. The scenario I presented is actually quite common for a survival kit of any kind. It's basic common sense that if something is inconvenient to carry then the intended user will not carry it. This is the reason I believe (my some what educated opinion, get it?) that the best place to carry "survival kit" is on ones person. The basics can be carried without bother, and they are there when you need them (unless you lose your pants). Being a big guy, I'm quite accustomed to carrying big loads, including heavy weapons. It sucks, believe me. The military guys on here can attest to that. So all that said you and I probably come from different worlds. I use parts of my "survival kit" daily, so I need them on my person. You seem to prefer the prepackaged "survival kits" you buy at REI or whatever your favorite outdoor store is. Then again I could be reading too much into your comment. By the way, this isn't a new idea. Folks have been carrying things on their weapons, including in a hollowed out butt-stock, for decades. However, I will restate myself. It is a nicely put together instructable. Have a great day.
Nice job, i want to do that on a kel- tec KSG
mack_jigger3 years ago
I like this very much but I have a question: What about Balance when shooting or pumping?
John_2343 years ago
Only problem I have is that you're telling people uneducated on the topic to put every asset into one gun, without emphasizing the need to have redundant kit, and to be able to survive even if you can't grab your shotgun, your bugout bag or whatnot.
bethehammer3 years ago
Nice job.
bethehammer3 years ago
I like your cord sling... did you make that or buy it?
edshu333 years ago
That gun is totally badass. I love it.
edshu333 years ago
I think that the knife should stick out further so that it can function like a bayonet, which would be useful against a bear attack if you run out of ammo.
mhandy3 years ago
"Clap---Clap--Clap"..wow you need a standing ovation for this well explained project...Aside from the killer looking firearm, its space saving, an extreme necessity, and looks lightweight; making its versatility just outstanding. BRAVO to you. On another note it LITERALLY has the whistle..if you were to say "Its got all the Bells-n-Whistles...lol...in the event of getting lost or stranded...I hope YOU are nearby..lol
mhandy3 years ago
"Clap---Clap--Clap"..wow you need a standing ovation for this well explained project...Aside from the killer looking firearm, its space saving, an extreme necessity, and looks lightweight; making its versatility just outstanding. BRAVO to you. On another note it LITERALLY has the whistle..if you were to say "Its got all the Bells-n-Whistles...lol...in the event of getting lost or stranded...I hope YOU are nearby..lol
floris_ampe3 years ago
why do you need a shot gun if you go camping anyway???
Same reason you need a gun for any other time... Just in case...

Do you have a spare tire in your car or do you plan on being able to call AAA / your auto service? What happens if you are somewhere remote where there is no cell phone service? Don't expect people to stop and help you either. First of all, there might not be anyone else on the road. Second, people just don't want to be inconvenienced or maybe they are concerned for their security. Third, even if they do stop, they won't have cell phone service either, so you would be relying on them being willing to give you a lift into the next town.

I hit a pothole once and ruptured the sides of the tires on that side of the vehicle. That particular vehicle did not come with a spare tire (not even a *mini* one. It had an air compressor and a can of fix-a-flat. Neither works worth a damn when you have a hole the size of a quarter in the sidewall of the tire. It's one of the dangers of having low profile wheels. The vehicle *came* with them, but I replaced them with smaller diameter rims after this so that I would have more rubber between the rim and the road.

So, do I really *need* to carry a gun with me everywhere I go? Probably not, but unfortunately, I don't know beforehand exactly where I'm going to need one and where I won't. Better to be safe than sorry... Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, but then again, I have been shot before when someone tried to rob me...
Because wild game ( if cooked right) is delicous. Plus protection
dknight2973 years ago
i keep a bug out pack on my tactical vest but this is by far one of the best survival ideas i have ever seen. the first thing you should grab is your gun and when you do you will also have a survival kit. GREAT INSTRUCTABLE!!!!
sconner13 years ago
Instead of the bow saw with almost no bite, just throw in a wire saw from the camping store.
It's a length of abrasive wire with rings on either end and coils flat for storage and doesn't limit the depth of your cut.
It is like a bow saw but your arms are the bow.
It's slow and tiresome, but hey, you're not building a log cabin out there.
olmon sconner13 years ago
You apparently don't have much experience with bow saws. A decent bow saw will go through a piece of wood almost as fast as a chain saw. (a little hyperbole there, but not ridiculously so)
olmon3 years ago
Good idea, but I have always wondered why people never seem to think of an air rifle for survival circumstances. A 1000fps air rifle is a good hunting weapon, the ammo is lite weight, nothing to carry a thousand rounds. They are lightweight, quiet and reasonably cheap to purchase. I have a dual caliber ( .177 & 22) & although they definitely aren't the answer for big game, they sure will do the job for small game.
sheasdad043 years ago
I have gone through and read most of the posts on this build, very negative. This is an excellent idea, I have been considering doing the same thing so this helps. In the event that you have a need for any type of survival gear, if you can justify carrying the weight then do it! This is more practical then several assault weapon designs I have seen. I read multiple news release on the internet in the last month and they are all saying the economy should crash again in 2013 or so in order to recover fully, so urban survival will be the key. Good luck to us all and Willow Haven Outdoor keep coming up with cool ideas.
doc273 years ago
as this is a pump gun all the attached items on the barrel thus far are on the sides of the gun not the top so the aiming bead is not being obscured (btw its a shotgun, if you use that bead to aim any pro shooter will tell you that it makes a miss more likely as it draws the attention away from the target, if you want accuracy get a full set of sights or better yet get a rifle). the knife is also too far back to be a bayonet but it looks like the mount may be moved forward if you keep a hex wrench. as far as the compass goes, yes the steel will mess with it but that is true of a belt buckle or a zipper tab and the gun is just a place to keep it. in most survival kits you would attach the gun to the kit, in this set up you are attaching the kit to the gun, i like it. now as for putting stuff on your belt, i concur, but as in any survival planning PACE ( primary, alternate, contingency and emergency) is the key, redundancy is a little heavier but if you sleep warm and comfy its worth the weight.
Some people aren't happy unless they can find something senseless to complain about. Let them think the wrong things so we won't have to worry about them after day 2 of a survival situation.
DPEDRN3 years ago
Great job. I was surprised to see the heat generated by anti-gun folks, but I guess that's their nature.

Thanks for the ideas.
Yeah bit sad about the flaming, but great tutorial, looks like alotta fun. BTW just a heads up, if you don't like it, don't build it.

Keep up the great work :D
Drackar3 years ago
While the concept of this kit is interesting, if impractical, I note a few problems.

First, you violate one of the most important rules of gun safety. You NEVER store a gun loaded. If you DO for some reason store a gun loaded, you NEVER store it loaded with a round in the chamber. That is unbelievably dangerous.

Second, you mount a compass to a flashlight butt...and then slap it right next to a large metal barrel that will get heated rapidly. That compass is going to be completely useless after the first few shots. You would be much better off locating it down at the end of the gun, the end of the pistol grip, or something...the further away from metal the better.

Third, you could add a considerable amount of ammo by replacing the paracord sling, or augmenting the paracord sling, with a bandolier. Simply take your paracord and place it on the back side of the strap, then every few rounds you take a foot of cord and weave it through and wrap it around a couple of lengths. You add another twenty or so rounds, and a little more cordage...more than enough to make up for storing your weapon safely.

Over all it's a well thought out kit, but...dangerous.
tlynch13 years ago
i get you're trying to attach everything to the gun but wouldn't it be more useful to keep a small Bug Out bag for the purpose of this stuff
and have some belt holsters for a knife flashlight and shell holder ontop of the bag so you put that on grab your Bag and weapon
that and i think a sling of some kind would be handy so you're not holding the weapon with your arms tiring them out all day
aaronncook3 years ago
If used for Purpose # 15, Function 1-13 is not longer advisable.
marcintosh3 years ago
This was fairly well written with no inflammatory language.
It is also quite controversial give the events of the past few months of random murders and the timing is difficult.

I can also see how individuals might be offended by this instructable and yet others could  find it compelling.

Given the fact that the writer states that he teaches these skills, I feel it's from an informed source.

I think that the trouble begins when (in this case) nationalism rears it's ugly head and begins to pit one loving human against another. We all want and need the same things. We love our families, we deserve respect and we make errors now and again. 

Be creative,
M.
What?
Use 15 typo. should be listed as 'doo rag'?
You use it to soak up morning dew from plant's leafs. If the dew rag is clean then it is the most refreshing and clean water you can get in the field, unless you are stranded on a glacier.
khari13 years ago
a sword is better because getting a ammuntion and guns etc is costly we need licnecses
pastorboy03 years ago
Though the flashlight might help mitigate injuries, the idea of using it as a flashlight only on the end of a barrel (except in a self-defense situation) is foolhardy... That is an accident waiting to happen, much in the same way that you don't use a rifle's scope to look at things from a long distance, you use a separate pair of binoculars.
I think the main thing he's going for here is to have everything attached to the shotgun so he can just grab it and go. He can take whatever he wants off later and keep it in the most useful spot.
jonatron3 years ago
Respectfully, I'd like to start out saying what a cool instructable this is. Great idea and props to you for putting it all together. That aside, I'd like to point out the improper use of the American flag in the pictures. I understand the intent, and do not doubt your patriotism, but perhaps you are unaware of proper flag etiquette and the standards of respect shown towards our nation's banner. It should never be portrayed upon handkerchiefs, napkins, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything (sweat, snot, etc). The flag is meant to fly free. Anyway - GREAT JOB and I'm looking forward to seeing more just like this!
While that certainly is in violation of the flag code, the flag code is not enforced on U.S. citizens.
asteidl3 years ago
Love the engraving!
Same here! Great quote to use too.
he needs to add a small bible.
Not only is this a great survival instructable it also made the gun look sweet!
microdot3 years ago
You could also wrap the butt with 550 cord.
tbatko3 years ago
yeah some quick-clot for when your using that saw and accidently shoot yourself in the gut.
dmjacobsen3 years ago
This is an interesting project, but not in the least bit practical. I'd rather not have to disassemble my weapon to get to my supplies. It makes a hell of a lot more practical sense to just carry these items in a separate pouch.

Considering that you were able to pack them all into the nooks and crannies of a shotgun, you should be able to put them all into a fairly small leg pouch without having to add unnecessary weight to the weapon.

I just would rather not have to be fumbling with my shotgun, trying to find that bandaid that I shoved into the grip while something nasty catches me by surprise and I'm not able to respond appropriately.

Better luck with your future projects.
sinofvalex3 years ago
you cant use a sword easily or a gun. if a revolution started yes. i might learn but otherwise my hunting slingshot is my best option or my pistol crossbow 1. i can use rocks for my sling 2. i could carve bolts for my crossbow.
also about the shotgun you could add a shoulder strap for more parachute rope
+ so it doesn't slide off if you run or sleep or sliding down a hill.
regards
i am not trying to troll only give my opinion.
seitzjus3 years ago
Maybe a non tactical light source with a longer battery life would be more useful in a survival situation.
The 590 has the bayonet lug on the magazine tube and the barrel nut is modified to fit the loop on the guard.
Pat_Maroney3 years ago
only problem i see is: lose your gun, lose your kit.

The 'ible is very clever and well done but seems like putting all your eggs in one basket to me.
sharkh2o3 years ago
Shotgun ammunition is heavy. As an avid backpacker I know that 40 to 50 lbs. is about the most weight the average packer can comfortably carry. And even using ultralight gear you can easily get to that limit in a hurry.

More practical options are available for a "lost in the wood" scenario:

1) Bear spray - It's a lightweight and proven defense against large predators and a must have item when hiking. It's not just for bears! It can be used on any predator, even the human variety if need be.

2) Pocket fisherman - It's also lightweight. I know these things look silly but they actually work and will double your chances of getting food - don't know why most survivalists forget about fishing as a means of survival.

3) Snares - reusable stainless steel snares will help you hunt even while you are sleeping. A dozen snares weigh just a few ounces.

4) Hunting breakbarrel pellet rifle - With muzzle velocities over 1000 fps they can easily take small game like birds, squirrels, and rabbits. Best of all, 5,000 pellets weigh just a couple of pounds. The same weight in shotgun shells will give you less than 100 rounds. Which one do you think will keep you fed longer?

Look I'm not knocking guns - I'm a gun guy myself. But gun guys like us will look at almost every scenario and say to ourselves, "Which rifle/shotgun/handgun will best suit this situation?" We rarely consider that "None of these" just might be the best answer.

For a SHTF scenario there are other variable to consider but ultimately you should grab what you shoot the best. However if you have to move, keep in mine that 50 lb. limit You'll most likely be on foot and there are more things than ammo that you will need to pack so you have to decide on power vs, number of cartridges you can carry.
wouternet3 years ago
Also, you may wanna add a small tube of superglue, sure is very handy. You can start fires with it, use it to seal cuts and wounds. More uses on Wikipedia.

You can also use it to reveal fingerprints, but that is if you have to do a CSI:Outdoor, and somebody was murdered while taking a dump. Hahahahahaha.
I am afraid I'd feel I had to take all those little doodads off to make a successful bird gun out of it. I have a belt with pouches for that stuff.
eecharlie3 years ago
I'm really curious in what "urban or wilderness survival scenario" this is the way to go. While you've met your five basic survival needs, I'd like to back up and suggest that a prerequisite to surviving, not getting killed, be considered here.

Assuming you're not in the movie Zombieland or The Book of Eli, isn't being as far away from firearms as possible your best survival option?

In terms of self-defense, is the hero with the shotgun the most likely to survive an aggressor, or the first and most obvious target?

As far as justifying the gun to 'restock on valuable calories': the Mossberg 500 models weigh at least 5 1/2 pounds, many over 7lbs. Just how long are you in a 'survival situation' for if 5 pounds of dried meat isn't enough, but just a few shotgun shells are?
At what point did you discount wild animals? Again this is a survival tool, let's put aside your post apocalyptic views for now and see the forest for the trees.

Animals are drawn by smell. If you just carry food especially meat. You've made yourself a target for every carnivorous animal in miles.

As I said to the other poster:
Signaling
Fire
Food
Self defense

If you're in the woods of North America, alone, especially in an area with bears, wolves, and mountain lions; would you rather have this, or 5lbs of meat strapped to your back?

Again, this is a survival tool. It isn't your first option. If you're just going out for a long hike than you probably don't need this, but if you're going out for a long hike somewhere you've never been and get lost. You'll be pretty glad you have this.

Now back to your other questions. This setup is a wilderness survival package. Trust me an urban survival shotgun is a whole different platform

Being close to firearms does not increase your likely hood of being shot, unless you keep company of people who being around also increases your likely hood of being shot.

No one is trying to suggest a hero complex, I don't understand why anti-gun people always think gun owners are trying to be dirty harry or John Mclane. What you are describing falls under threat assessment. So yes, if you're actively being shot at or about to be, you take out the biggest threat first, but that is a combat situation. This is a survival situation.

Also, the psychological effect of having the bigger gun can help in a combat situation because you can play on the idea of "mutually assured damage/destruction" If you have no gun you are an easy target, if you have a gun, even if you are a more valuable target, they have to consider the losses they would incur trying to take you.

The reality of survival is that you cannot run and hide from everything.
I guess I discounted wild animals because I've survived all the backpacking I've done without wanting for a shotgun to defend my food or my self. 20 miles and 6000 feet of elevation from civilization, I couldn't feel safer. I believe that carrying food makes the food a target, but it still leaves me a stinky human that animals would prefer to avoid.

Last time I checked, the park service recommended bear barrels or hanging your food, not pump shotguns with flashlights and bayonets. Are they failing at threat assessment? And how are people faring in countries where firearms are illegal or substantially more restricted? Getting mauled by animals so often it's not even news-worthy, or must they simply restrict their hikes to as far as they can run without food?

You're right about the company you keep: it's far harder to be shot if you're not around people with guns. The most frightening experience I've had in the wilderness was hearing gunshots in a national park.
Flatlander! Yes they are failing at threat assessment. Like others you view is limited. I've had a bear cub wonder into my camp. What do you think mommy was going to do if booboo gets a little too close to me? Additionally we have mountain lions and coyotes to contend with. Having a decent firearm is worthwhile. Being petrified of firearms does not make you safer and if someone is going to shoot the guy with the shotgun whatever gives you the idea that being unarmed makes you safe?
I'm not trying to be mean, but 20 miles at 6000ft sounds like a 3 day leisure hike. A survival situation is different from a wilderness experience. Survival is about being prepared. All this guy is trying to do is present a different way of being prepared, and you're discounting the idea that a gun in anyway aides your chances of survival. The fact that it can signal, create fire, and help provide food should be enough to show that it is useful.

Yes carrying food makes food a target. Try explaining to a desperate bear that you just smell like food . Or how about if you're in an area with moose? Do you think a territorial moose cares about food? BTW mountain lions in California have been attacking bicyclists and joggers without food, they've learned humans are easy targets. Tell me you're going to fend that off with the snacks you've packed. Guess what happens to wild animals that attack humans. With either a gun or a trap the animal is killed. How is having some else defend you against a wild animal in anyway superior to being able to do it for yourself?

The reason they recommend bear barrels is so the food is not near people! How is that not obvious? Food plus bears plus people equals bad!! It associates people with food. So you have a number of bears that see people as food sources. It's doesn't have to be one or the other. Having a gun isn't about inviting trouble, it's about being prepared when it shows up.

The flashlight and knife are nice things to have when you're surviving. I don't know how to make it any more clear than to say a survival experience is not the same as a day hike. A hike is a nice leisurely thing to do. Survival is something you do to stay alive. When you are lost in the middle of no where, no one knows where you are or even to start looking for you, you are on your own. When it's just you against mother nature wouldn't you like to be a least a little prepared?

As for park rangers, try talking to them sometime, Everyone one I've talked to has been in favor of loosening the regulations on having guns in the parks. Do you think they carry guns in their trucks, jeeps, and 4wheelers for show?

People in other countries usually have at least one person who is unfortunate to be severally mauled or killed. Then they dispatch professionals with guns. Even poorer places usually round up people in mass arm them with farm instruments because they can't even lure people with guns to go into the bush to hunt some of these animals, then they proceed to push through and hope that they can dispatch the problem animal without too many other people getting hurt. They wish they had guns.

Again, a gun probably isn't the first thing on your list in a typical hiking situation, but in a survival situation it's a really good thing to have.

Why are you so afraid of gunshots in a national park? Are you convinced that only bad people have guns? You seem on the level, why can't it be that someone who enjoys the outdoors every bit as much as you, but also enjoys hunting or shooting is out there?

The object of this instructable was not to create something that was a must have for a hiking trip. It was about coming up with a useful tool for a very bad situation.
20 miles from civilization was the midpoint, and yes, it was a 4 day leisure hike =) I'm assuming we're talking about scenarios that at least began as leisure activities, not fugitive chases through the woods. So in terms of this being for very bad situations only, when do you choose whether to bring the gun along?

I understand that wild animals can and occasionally do pose a threat, but I still question the reasoning that 7-round short-barrel pump shotgun carried as a preventive tool is appropriately matched to the risk. (How about a couple grenades and a claymore for while you're sleeping?) And certainly, that calculation doesn't just include the cost and weight of a gun, but also wondering how safe everyone is if everyone has a gun. It's not a question of only bad people carrying guns: "never attribute to malice that which is explained by carelessness". If I'm in a national park and someone else is shooting a gun, I would hope that they're being responsible about what they're shooting at, but I have no control over that. I take the position that the anticipated benefit to individuals carrying guns in those contexts does not outweigh the risk of harm to others due to mistakes or malice. Many governments have reached that conclusion by democratic policy-making processes, but in the US we seem to feel otherwise or lack the momentum to change established policy. So, I still point out that I'm unconvinced this is an appropriate tool for survival on the basis of its utility and cost.

True, a gun is also useful to signal and create fire. But that's different from being the best or most cost-effective tool for any of those things, or for all of them put together. For example, you can get a small and lightweight EPIRB for about $500 that will tell the authorities exactly where you are anywhere in the world with the push of a button, and its batteries will last a lot longer than ammunition.

On people without food randomly getting attacked by animals: how often does this happen relative to a shooting homicide, accidental gun death, E. Coli outbreak, fatal car accident, etc? Are you staying off major highways and drinking only distilled rainwater? Certainly I represent the liberal city-dweller perspective, but yes, I would equate the risk/response relationship of the former to carrying a shotgun as a survival tool.
It would really be up to the individual wouldn't it? I don't assume to know what is best for everyone.
The reality is it's about being prepared. What could be prepared enough for me is not prepared or over prepared for someone else. You never know when a leisure activity is going to turn into a survival situation, but if you're not prepared it could be the difference between life or death.

So if it were up to you what odds would you put it at before you were prepared to carry a gun? If your life was on the line, literally life and death how grim does the situation have to be before you were prepared to carry that tool?

If you put your odds of needing a gun a 3% then you probably wouldn't carry that's everyone's choice, but again if you give your odds of survival increase dramatically once you're in one of those 3% scenarios you could at least acknowledge the perspective.

I mean if you're on well know trails that are well traveled and nearby rangers civilization is actually not that far away. Physically it could be quite a distance, but realistically a person can only get so far in a given time, which is what a rescue team is going to go by when they begin looking for a lost person. One phone call or emergency signal and you hope that soon you're back to civilization. Except that all those technological life lines sometimes fail, and if you can't rely on yourself, then who will you rely on?

So your position is that people who own guns are malicious, stupid or careless? And that you're afraid because the risk of someone being careless with a fire arm around you is higher than the potential benefit to them. So taken to the logical limit you're willing to sacrifice someone's well being for the peace of mind that their particular tool can in no way affect your well being?

If you're living your life by those risk assessment then I suggest you go talk to an actuary, and stop driving a car, taking public transportation, or visiting a doctor. The actual risk of you being killed by doctor's negligence or carelessness as opposed to being accidentally killed or maliciously killed by a firearm is so remotely different that it would boggle someone's mind.

If you're going to compare this to claymores and grenades then just how much gun is enough for a survival situation. Please tell me, just how much gun do I need. You're answer so far has been none at all. Well then why have a knife? Why have any tools for that matter? People survived a good 6000 years with only making tools they could fashion out of nature so then why have any survival mechanisms? Clearly 6000 years of practice has shown us it is possible? And clearly I could do much greater bodily harm with a machete or a hatchet, or a hammer, if I was so inclined to be malicious or carelessly left the tool in a manner that it could hurt someone.

Or let's just be realistic? Grendades and Claymores are not the little bang fireballs you see on tv, they are anti-personnel devices intended to kill and do devastating damage to people, and they are one time use. You can't use a claymore to hunt realistically, if you try to stop a wild animal with a grenade you'd probably blow yourself. I'm not trying to be insulting, but it does sound like you really don't understand firearms. They are nothing to be afraid of, you're not afraid of someone with an automobile, nor a guy with a leaf blower nor a guy with a cell phone. A firearm is a tool used to propel an object with great energy into something else. If you question it's use as a tool, you question every tool's usefulness. Maliciously you can hurt someone just as much with other objects just as well as with a gun. Carelessly you could hurt someone else with a tool as well. How many power tool accidents do you think there are every year? How bystanders do you think were minding their own business and suddenly they're injured because of tool carelessness?

Why does it always have to be one or the other? If you really want to ensure survival why not have both? Why don't you make an instructable showing how to make the ultimate survival kit? That particular shot gun costs about $250 half of the EPIRB. It is mechanically one of the simplest tools to operate and maintain ever. if your EPRIB breaks, and that was your only option then what? If you're in the wild and for whatever reason a storm comes or the rescue pilot that was supposed to save you is grounded then what? If this breaks at least you can scavenge the shells and some of the parts to make something useful. Also, ammunition lasts a long time if you're not firing it willy nilly. If you only have a few shells you make really good careful shots.

How many e coli outbreaks could be prevented due to that same carelessness? Look at the total benefits of the gun. By itself or as part of a platform it is an extremely useful tool.

So what is it about this that makes you afraid? Is it that someone who is carrying this would suddenly decide to take their last means of survival and maliciously fire at people? Or that they would carelessly fire off their last hope at surviving? Is it the look? Is it that it has the power to affect other people at distance? If you just disagree about it's usefulness then why not put that in your first post instead of mentioning urban assault, hero fantasies and 5lbs of meat?

I mean do you keep bottled water at the handy in case something happens to your tap? Do you buy a car with air bags even though you yourself are a safe driver? Back to the original point, it's about different levels of preparedness, and a shotgun in particular is a very cheap, effective, and efficient way to cover all of your survival bases if you know what you're doing.

So better yet why don't you take the time to learn about guns. It's not like this extra knowledge can hurt you. It's not liking knowing a great deal about guns can in someway irrevocably damage you.

A short barrel is cheaper because it is less material to make and certify. A pump is cheaper because it is repeatable with a high level of reliability, and it is very mechanically simple as opposed to a slower bolt or a less reliable semi auto. The polymer is strong light weight and cheap.

I know where you're coming from, you've probably lived in a pretty urban environment for many years. The only guns you hear about are how someone was careless on the news, or how some criminal used one. What about all the times that a gun is used and nothing goes wrong? The truth is you don't hear about it, there is a very large misrepresentation of the facts here because fear sells.

If you truly believe your point of view to be the right one, then please I challenge you. Take a gun safety class. Learn about proper gun care, try shooting one. If you're right, then all you will have wasted is the time to take the class. But if you were mistaken, the possibilities that would now be open to you are tremendous. I do encourage you to learn more. Because this is the last I intend to write on this. If you're not convinced, then no amount of persuasion on my part will get you to see things in another way than your own.

That's a large volume of writing with several loosely-connected points.

I think one point I'm still trying to make, and on which we unsurprisingly still disagree, is regarding the potential benefit of the gun to the user compared to the risks to both the user and bystanders. You said " And clearly I could do much greater bodily harm with a machete or a hatchet, or a hammer, if I was so inclined to be malicious or carelessly left the tool in a manner that it could hurt someone." If a gun can't do more harm than a sharp object, why were they invented? There is no progress towards better-reasoned positions on this issue.

My point of view is not based on local news stories, it's based on personal experience firing guns and some research on the statistics of firearm use and misuse. It's also based on personally knowing someone who collects and resells guns (I'm tempted to say plays with guns), assembles his own ammunition for hunting, and has a concealed firearm permit. I've had this same discussion with him many times.

This discussion is not productive so I think I'm done with it. I will clarify one point about where I'm coming from, which is that I'm not speculating having never fired a gun. Although I've never personally owned any guns, I've fired rifles and handguns, all at shooting ranges, and the scouting merit badge for riflery included safety training.

One point I will concede: I had no idea a shotgun would be that cheap. Certainly it costs less than an EPIRB, although in my part of the country, the northwest, an avalanche beacon is not replaceable with a shotgun.
I mean no disrespect, but a lot of nay sayers are pointing out MOVIE scenarios, not reality.
This is a brilliant idea and beautifully executed. As a photojournalist, I couldn't enjoy the luxury of a weapon. Here is what I've learned from Disasters like Haiti & Japan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLG6r7dnqOk NO Sales! I hope your fans learn from our wisdom.
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mwuchevich3 years ago
one more suggestion... How about weaving the paracord sling to where it could hold more ammo, bandolier fassion to increase cordage and ammo carring capacity?
Never forget, ammo is heavy, especially in bulk.
Never forget, ammo is necessary, or else your "ultimate survival shotgun" essentially becomes a heavier than need be bag.. If I was lost in the wilderness with no ammo I'd take the trash bag out, fill it with everything and ditch the shotgun.. Not just gonna find ammo in the woods.. lol

Besides, in a zombie apocalypse, you'll be pissing through the ammo anyways so the more the better!
Handiest13 years ago
I thought of a couple things if you have the room; a small polished stainless mirror, and a couple of alcohol swabs to de-grease before applying the butterflies (wound closures). In my experience they will not stick unless absolutely clean and dry. Then come to think of it how about an iodine ampule, a small curved needle, and some thread? Was insect repellant mentioned?
Bruce
OFF! makes deep woods insect repellent towlettes now.. You could definitely buy a pack and shove a few of the packets in there (I think they are individually wrapped)..
r3nrut3 years ago
Nice Instructable!
mysss3 years ago
In this kit it would make a load of sense to replace the screws with flathead ones. This would greatly increase the versatility because you could still use the gerber, but would have many more options if you lost it. (e.g. the knife, a butt cap from the flashlight/foregrip, a coin, part of the gun, ect.) It would really suck to lose these items because you lost the multitool. ;-)
willowhavenoutdoor (author)  mysss3 years ago
Very good point - thanks for sharing...
Creek
jdkchem3 years ago
No mention made of the barrel used in the Mossberg. If you're going to use the 18.5 inch cylinder bore then don't waste money on birdshot. Also avoid the sabot style slugs.
There are some roll up sunglasses out there i dont rememer their name but they're basically a plastic lens that wraps around your face and grips onto the sides of your head alot like regular sunglasses minus the frame, im not sure if you could fit that in but im sure it would help you migh be able to put it into the inside f the front grip
Yes there are called ROLLENS they offer 100% uv protection optometrist use them after they dilate your pupils.

http://rollens.com/
chaudfroid3 years ago
In an urban survival situation your survival kit is a billboard for getting singled out. Big old flashy shotgun! Hide it all in a bag. A real lesson from Katrina. The "Law" will eliminate you as a threat at 300YDS when they see your shotgun; the shotgun is only effective at 75 YDS. Focus on carrying water and food, not heavy firearms. Live to enjoy another day!
if the "law" as you call it has the ability to shoot you from 300 yards, they must have the optics for it, which means htey will see you have a gun you can hope to hit them with, at which point they will tell you to stand down, which you will do. unless you are stupid, at which point you deserve a Darwin Award. in my opinion, the benifits of this gun outweigh the risks.
lwm ilpug3 years ago
When everything breaks down, law and order can break down, and the "officers of the law" can become lawless. From what I've heard from some who experienced and survived Katrina, the police (and some of the national guard) were definitely NOT your friends during this time. They stole from evacuated homes and they really did shoot people. There are lots of very decent police, but, I'm sorry to say, the only difference between some police and criminals is the badge.
hinge3 years ago
good instructable,but judging by most of the comments,one can use Mossberg 500 shotgun in few survival situations.First of all not in Europe.Maybe in some rare cases one can own a 7 -shot shotgun,but certainly not for hunting.Most probably the limit would be 2+1.The second purely pragmatic,if I apply my survivalist skills together with millions of my brethren,even rabbits would be rare after first 2 weeks of the world in survival mode.Grizzlies and mountain lions would be gone in the first week.The flashlight attachment + flashlight is unnecessary since one would run out of batteries very soon.As to statements about greatness of US-yes,it is still a great country,but do not be so sure about serfdom and slavery.If DEA says jump,you jump.if IRS says jump,you jump,if your local friendly OFFICER declares you guilty,you are guilty(though some might contest it saying that independent ? and democratic? courts can set it right).It is not very much different from Europe,where it is unpatriotic not to trust the government.Finally folks,the government gets elected by you, not green ugly men from Mars.
water rat hinge3 years ago
"the government gets elected by you, not green ugly men from Mars."
Weeeeeeeeeell, I don't know about that.
water rat3 years ago
OH! I have a great recipe for tofu pudding! I bet it would make AWSOME pops!! My first Instructable perhaps....
water rat3 years ago
If there were a disaster in my area, (coastal California, it's likely) I'd like to be prepared, because my government can't/wont help in disastrous situations. I'm willing to protect my family from a hostel intruder without hesitation.
idlymr743 years ago
both the knife and the flashlight are removable. they are there because all he has to do is grab the shot-gun and he has the knife, the compass, and the flashlight.
kyao3 years ago
EPIK GUN
kyao3 years ago
lol
tinker2343 years ago
hey you should include some of these also heres where to buy them if you need them http://www.firequest.com/exotic-shotgun-ammo.html
pbates1233 years ago
You have some good advice.

I think you should add at least one other item to your stash. In Alaska a family survived an airplane crash and a week in the wilderness only to almost perish from insect bites. Your kit should include insect repellant that includes a serious amount of Deet. In some areas mosquito net to cover head and neck could be considered essential equipment.

In the absence of the above one can provide some protection by covering exposed skin with mud or an ash and mud mix.

I also like a carbide rope saw - they cut through wood and metal like butter weigh nothing and take virtually no space - lash them to a bent limb and you have a bow saw.

As space permits handi-wipes are a nice comfort item though non-essential.
yes, i used to live in alaska and we considered mosquitoes our state bird lol, they got large, so i agree, bug repellant
you can use it acCORDingly. sorry i just had say that
tinker2343 years ago
wow hey could i put the bandana in a shoulder houlder also could i have more amomo sorage
asteidl3 years ago
Might want some Quikclot along, in case you shoot yourself in the foot, you can stop the bleeding on what's left of it! :P Seriously, though, Quikclot is about the best "tool" you can have along. Get a big, deep laceration on your arm, leg, neck, w/e, grab the packet of Quikclot before you pass out from blood loss, pour the granules on the wound, and you might just make it. Every branch of the US military carries it, according to http://www.quikclot.com/ I'd recommend Quikclot Sport Silver, as it has antibacterial properties (has silver in it, bacteria can't grow on silver). The 25g pack could fit in the buttstock.
They've stopped using it for the most part now. It isn't distributed widely to soldiers anymore because in a battlefield situation, it is very easy for some grains to get in ones eyes, either by wind or accident or whatever, which causes permenent blindness. Medics can still get it but its primary use was first aid and selfaid. Hemacon bandages are the new thing, very similar but come in one big "wafer" that you break up and shove in a deep wound. The catch with those, though, is that you can't use it on people who're allergic to shellfish.
Actually the army is now using Quik-Clot Combat Gauze & WoundStat.

>> http://www.stripes.com/news/soldiers-in-war-zones-to-be-given-new-bandages-1.84174

Apparently Hemacon bandages weren't up to the task.

>> http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2009-03-29/news/0903280121_1_gen-eric-b-schoomaker-combat-medical-care-military-doctors-and-medics
Eirinn3 years ago
Where i come from people use hunting rifles...a survival shotgun? what are you hungint, friggin dinosaurs? I'm sure this is awesome for a raptor invasion, but for "survival"?

Honey is it ok i buy this flamethrower over the food budget for self defence? It will come in handy if someone tries to mug me!
Great idea.
I think it is better to have much of your gear on your person though. If you slip and go sliding down in very hilly country, and survive, you might lose the gun. Then you could be out everything instead of just the weapon but perhaps I am clumsier than most. ;-)

A cable saw could fit inside the sling, eliminating the possibility of slitting your own wrist with the saw right by your grip, again, if you lose your footing.
Sew two handkerchiefs together on 3 sides, add a drawstring, and you have a bag as well as a rag. If the material on one side is heavy enough you also have a glove.
12 gauge is awful big if there is only small game around. Pack something small.

Great stuff, very inspirational.

Thanks
The saw is kept in the stock and screwed into place when you need it.
Thank you for the clarification.
dangerclose3 years ago
the only things that should be kept on the weapon are ammunition and related accessories. while they look fine in concept, hard use will dictate otherwise. i have seen lots of shotgun accessories get bounced, thrown, shot, or recoiled off the guns themselves. keep a lot of that stuff in a bug out bag or banolier and then you can add more to your kit.

a shotgun should have a good sighting system like ghost ring sights. a standard or pistol grip stock, no pistol grips only. a tactical light either on a forend rail or a dedicated forend. a tactical sling that adjusts to aid in carry and use.

i have the mossberg 590a1 with bayonet mount which comes with ghost ring sights and speedfeed stock. all i put on it was a light mount, ammo carrier and a tactical sling. stay away from tac star products. they are not durable in construction and mounting.

ghost rings can extend your accuracy at long range with slugs out past 100 yards, test buckshot for patterns and see which works best in your gun. low recoil rounds lose little in feet per second but keep the spread tighter. i use federal tactical 00 buck 9 pellet and at 25 yards i have a 13 inch spread.

there is a lot of specialty ammunition for the shotgun.

btw, i am a firearms instructor leo and a veteran USMC grunt who instructed at SOI.
As far as i can see this is a in case you cant grab anything else type thing, if it was just for use as a weapon i would agree with you 100%.
razor71773 years ago
was it a mossberg 590 shotgun...?
hshawki3 years ago
WOW
It's great gun
Rambo would kill for it
kdadd3 years ago
Shall come in handy when the zombies come around, and we all know they will. Thanks! :P
Chronos21873 years ago
For more cordage you could wrap the butt of the gun in paracord too since it's so lightweight .
onemoroni13 years ago
Whatever version your survival kit is, it has to be compact, available, and practicable. This one does the job. My wife and mine are back packs for 3 days of the necessities. Mine is 35lbs and hers is just a day pack, but we have the basics for three days. I keep getting ideas to improve and simplify like you have done with your shotgun.
timnolan3 years ago
No fair picking on the dyslexic lol.
This is why the US has bailed out Europe twice. And why we needed to!
T-Rave3 years ago
Brilliant! Just absolutely brilliant design
asteidl3 years ago
The steel of the barrel might affect the accuracy of the compass.
Icelander3 years ago
I keep seeing detracting comments on this kit.
*It's too heavy
*Someone can hurt themselves if they're using X part of it.

The point here is that it's a *kit*

When something happens, you can grab it and go. If afterward, you decide to put the knife on your belt, the flashlight in your pocket, etc you can. The idea here is to package it all together so it's ready to grab and go.

Great idea. I'm forwarding this to my brother who flies his airplane out into the bush periodically. This would be perfect for him.
You raised an interesting point on a problem that I saw on the kit. If you keep everything together and you happen to drop / loose your gun, you've lost everything!

As you say, great to keep in the back of a vehicle where you can grab it and go in case of emergency, but my first task in an emergency situation would be to strip of a few items and stow them elsewhere. Maybe modify the knife sheath with a belt loop or something?
MrMike3 years ago
I'd add an 'adapter' to the kit, and some small caliber ammunition.
Basically a 12g shell; brass perhaps, with appropriate dimensions..
That can fire 22 (rimfire shot or bullet) for those small and up close targets.
The 'adapter' could also be built to fire 9mm, 44mag, 30 carbine...etc to utilize ammunition on hand.


Ikijibiki3 years ago
Looks nice, but I can't see why I'd go to all that trouble. I had a Franchi SPAS-12 about 20 years ago (wish I hadn't sold it) and was fairly light, maneuverable, and you could pump out eight shells at a pop. Seriously, I'm just wondering what the advantage of a custom shotgun would be over some of the off-the-shelf alternatives like the SPAS-12.
Spokehedz3 years ago
There is nothing I don't like about this 'ible.
seriously dude that is what i call creative and handy since its easy to grap and not that hard to miss when you need to gtfo
also its kinda making me sad that guns are illegal where i live :(

ps the saw idea just brilliant
sabr6863 years ago
God bless America.
PS1183 years ago
Wow! It looks like you put a lot of thought into this! Thanks for sharing.

I'm about the furthest thing in the world from a "gun buff". Could you please answer a couple of questions?

1) About how much did your rig cost all together?

2) I read somewhere that the ejector seats in fighter jets have a "foldable shotgun" as part of their built-in survival kit. It seems that something like that could be helpful for ease of storage and also (as somebody mentioned) not drawing attention to yourself in a worst-case scenario. What do you think of those?
RC Raptor3 years ago
excellent! Can I buy yours?
michaelbak3 years ago
You should add a shotgun scabbard to this. you could fit a small .22 revolver or pistol and about 250rds of ammunition for small game hunting in one. Plus a few more survival items.
Awesome idea, I disagree with a few of the gear choices but overall a great inspiration. The real key here is that you probably want to have multiple kits available throughout your home, car, etc, so that in a disaster scenario you always have at least something handy. Yes a bug-out bag would be better than this kit, I'd say keep this kit separate from a bugout and more combat/hunting arrayed firearm, so that if you only have time to grab one kit, at least it will be something that will help you, even if it's not the most optimal kit you have. this gets me wondering where I might find hollow grips for a revolver I could store a micro-kit in, for example. Better to have and not need than to need and not have, I always say.

Be safe, be ready.
nice choice of weapon! if i could make mine, i'd probably build a sawed-off 12 gauge pump action. i personally believe compact is key, i'd put a folding stock in just for good measure. ammunition depends on the scene. i like the 000 buck or 00 buck.
Sewing thread and needle, for clothing repair or serious wound closure. On that note, a tube of superglue would be more effective, compact, and versatile over a few tiny bandages for small cuts. I'm favoriting this 'ible, gonna do some more searching and see if I can find any other useful suggestions.
chabias3 years ago
I saw this featured on the Art of Manliness site a couple weeks ago. Well done!
dangerclose3 years ago
correction: 'bandolier'
Buckshott003 years ago
Good instructable .

Check out Mossberg's "Just in Case" series. Mossberg developed a survival package just for this.

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=28&display=feat

Also, it's important to note that you can buy flare ammunition for 12 gauge shotguns. That is a huge survival tool!!
If your too stupid to unload the shotgun, or cover the knife before using the saw, then you probably should no have a shotgun in the first place. Or you would probably be to stupid to even perform these modifications.
Exactly!!
Arsaces3 years ago
Quick suggestion, I think it might be a good idea to swap out the screws on the butt plate for straight slot screw heads, that way if your rubber stopper on the grip falls out and the multitool is lost you still have a way of taking off the butt plate (knife)
baker420e3 years ago
I think this is a great idea. I live in Alaska and have several different kits for different situations, ie hiking, boating, etc. I at this point just carry a gun and a pack with the situation in mind, but this is seriously an awesome idea. I too see a lot comments about weight, safety and even worry about kids but the reality as one person commented is that this is a grab and go kit. Great idea and amazed at what you got into each compartment! It has me thinking!
One suggestion would be if possible to purchase a stainless version as to keep the corrosion down, especially around salt water. But seriously man, this is awesome, and hey if the zombies come, you are set up, just throw a couple of shoulder sling belts with more ammo and its time to go! Thanks for this instruct!
Also, forgot, something else that is great to add is quality Duct Tape, this can be wrapped around some part, maybe a few wraps on the knife sheath or put inside the stock, but I have had shoes tear open etc and some quality duct tape would be a great addition.
looks good, definitely a solid kit built on a solid platform, good availability of replacement and aftermarket parts is always a plus with any firearm, and a shotgun especially, the para cord sling is an innovative idea that adds functionality as well, be safe out there brother
'Merica
sxca3 years ago
then the jig is up :)))
sockeye1013 years ago
*sniff* Bill would be proud...
all the metal on the shotgun will throw off the compas making it useless unless you compensate for all the metal.
Not all metals throw off a compass.
take the flashlight off and then use the compass :P
jhowarth3 years ago
I love it wish shotguns where as easy to obtain and as necessary to own in the UK but I have to say it kind of reminds me of the gun Axel got in Beverly Hills Cop 3 lol ;)
branonls3 years ago
Best. Instructable. Ever.
KentsOkay3 years ago
Its well worth mentioning you should find a better place to mount the sling, the vertical fore grip on the pump WILL snag and you WILL short stroke your gun.

Cool idea for fun, but carrying a .22 rifle and a Bug Out bag or Get Home Bag is much more practical.

For teh lulz its win :D
anode5053 years ago
Very nice! quite well thought out.
(gonna investigate for a Rem 870, the other Mos 500 :)

No tear gas rounds?
I dont see the use of tear gas in a survival situation...
Very Rambo'esque.

Using the saw is a good way to shoot the numpty that is using it, if they don't stab themselves with the knife.

Swiss army shotgun I don't think so!!!!
I seem to notice a knife blade cover in one picture - should help against puncture wounds ;-)
i think if youve got the guile to set up some survival device such as this, youve probably got the brains to unload the thing before hacking at some wood. if you didnt you just got what was coming to you... namely slugs in the gut :P
olm9113 years ago
Good instructible. I may use some of the ideas on my Benelli.
blanchae3 years ago
Well thought out. I'm impressed with what you have included in the kit. You should make a list of all the items that are hidden away in the shotgun.
jtobako3 years ago
Yah, um, minor problem-"don't put all your eggs in one basket." Loose one and everything is gone.

Second problem-multi-use tools are a pain to use. Handy is one thing (but that's what pockets are for), but would you rather try to use the knife on a swiss army knife or a simple pocket knife for anything that takes longer than 10 seconds?

I do admit, it makes a dandy movie prop and all that extra weight is sure to help reduce recoil : P
"yah, um, minor problem-" the simpler you knife is the better. It wont break as easily and pocket knives are more difficult to repair.
informito3 years ago
Survive to what?.. to ZOMBIES???
I wish :P
Very nice! on thing though, you may want to add a small sharpenning stone/rod for sharpenning the knife.
Manny B3 years ago
Wow, you put a mini Gerber in the grip? i'm suprised that fit. Good use of space.
sfurick3 years ago
This is the most awesome shotgun ever created. Why isn't this a real product? Owning one of these should be a requirement. The bow saw is a brilliant touch.
mostertbj3 years ago
Well done. Now for your next project - how about a survival crossbow (For people (like in South Africa ) who need a license for any thing bigger than air-soft )
Sparks next to live ammunition, it could end badly in the wrong hands.
Unless those sparks are hard enough to dent a firing primer, or, the shell is opened to the gunpowder - it won't be a problem.
srohwer3 years ago

I like it. I have a mossy 500 for just such a project, and you gave me a lot of good ideas. Here are some thoughts:

1) LEGALLY shortening the barrel. As I am in a heavily urbanized area, I will give up the long range accuracy for mobility and handling. I can get another barrel and keep it in my scabbard and swap it out if/when I need it.

2) A sighting system for said long barrel.

3) Speedfeed III is a pistol grip stock that has integrated storage for 4 additional shells. I don’t know if it has the storage capabilities that the stock you use has, and it is 3x more expensive. Have to explore this more.

4) Shell carriage. There’s a good essay here about shell carrying. It is for competition, but most of what he writes is good for “real world” applications.

5) Knoxx used to make a 6 round magazine and a 10 round drum. I’m sure someone with a few skills could make their own.

6) I’ve always liked the idea of a shotgun back scabbard. It could hold that extra barrel, cleaning kit, repair tools, etc.

7) I see that the knife has a 3” blade and quickly detaches. I think that 3” is plenty for basic survival. If I wanted a larger (battle) knife, I might investigate attaching the scabbard to the gun. It could make for quick removal of the knife.

Thanks for taking the time and sharing your knowledge. It's appreciated.
Very good Instructable. It reminds me of the Survivourman t.v show.
I miss that guy so bad.
This would be a cool project to bo to a bb or pellet gun if your on a tight budget.
E_MAN3 years ago
lolz.................... but kinda useful!
GearHead963 years ago
Awesome.
mwuchevich3 years ago
Common sence is a mandatory survival trait. One should unload the shotgun for saw work.. also remove the knife blade. But God has been know to look after drunks and fools.
wkuace3 years ago
this is pretty much the only gun instructable i've ever seen (aside from knex). Very nice i especially liked the survival saw.

Also, I've never tried it but i've heard that you can fill a condom with water and use it as a lens to start a fire
dchall8 wkuace3 years ago
knex was my first thought when I saw it, too. I wish this website would let you filter out knex stuff.
oldestgeek3 years ago
I LIKE IT!!!

About how much will it cost me to assemble one?
willowhavenoutdoor (author)  oldestgeek3 years ago
I put a parts list on-line for you at http://www.willowhavenoutdoor.com

Thanks!
Creek
jongscx3 years ago
well, that's one less person to worry about when the zombies come...
harrihiker3 years ago
This is an excellent build!
Do you have a parts list of the components you added to the Mossberg?
What stock and shell holders did you use etc...
willowhavenoutdoor (author)  harrihiker3 years ago
I sure do - here is the link to the resource/parts list:

http://willowhavenoutdoor.com/featured-wilderness-survival-blog-entries/build-the-ultimate-survival-shotgun-modify-your-pump-shotgun-survival-style/
JasonQ3 years ago
Great instructable. I might suggest a cable saw instead of the bow saw blades, however. Quite compact, and widely available.
chrisre cat3 years ago
this and the knowlege of the basic military survival training guides and you would be set for any thing
splazem3 years ago
I love all things survival, and I must say you did a great job! Well done!
ilpug3 years ago
pretty much the best thing ive seen in a while. well done. keep up the good work.
CaseyCase3 years ago
If you intend on using the knife as a bayonet, it doesn't even clear the muzzle.
ilpug CaseyCase3 years ago
yeah... i noticed that.... i would attact a sheath to the side of the stock instead, so you dont have a knife cutting up your back when you sling it over your shoulder.
l8nite3 years ago
sure puts the altoid tin "survival kit" to shame doesn't it ! Totally AWESOME ! Personally I'd be a little leary using the shotgun backwards as a saw but you could always use the blade by itself
TeamSlash3 years ago
Ya really cool.... now if someone could only make an Instructable on how to 'get a shotgun'
Step 1: Go to walmart. Pick out a shotgun.
Step 2: Buy it. You'll have to fill out a form and the clerk will have to make a phone call.
Step 3: Take it home.

Wow that was hard.

-This is of course assuming you live in the US and not CA or IL. CA has a waiting period (and possibly more, I don't know that much about it), IL needs a FOID card.
well, for one thing, you cant buy firearms in walmart in california. you have to go to a gun store or an outdoor store.
Treupp3 years ago
I was thinking of some useful things you might include without adding to the shotgun's weight and making this rig too bloated. Three things that came to my mind is a needle or a pair of them, nylon thread and a mirror. While the usefulness of a needle and sterile thread is undisputed (plus they weigh next to nothing, same with taking space), I was thinking that you might attach a small round mirror to the stock cover, like the one that's used in microscopes.

I'm no expert in this and I don't intend to try to convince you to choose something over something, 'but', if I come up with something useful you might add, I'll let you know.

All in all, superb instructable. Makes me wish I had a shotgun.
bond8153 years ago
Awesome. I can't wait to assemble my own.
fn06afranci3 years ago
I saw this on Willow Haven Outdoors, The Art of Manliness and Geekologie, well done sir :D
PaleoDan3 years ago
I liked the concept of your Instructable and was wondering if you had any detailed information on how to make the 550 paracord Gun Sling? I would love to make several of these for some of my guns.

Thanks
Ranie-K3 years ago
Great pictures! I can tell this took some work!
rickharris3 years ago
Scary - and to think for years I have been walking and wild camping with little more than a rucksack and a good pair of boots.
Kiteman3 years ago
Wow, a Swiss Army shotgun!
zazenergy3 years ago
Wow this is a really cool Survival Shotgun! Good job! I'd love to see more Instructables from you.