How to Make AC Powered "Batteries" for your DC Powered Devices

 by lspcrash
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20 the camera and the battery replacements that will power it.JPG
18 testing it out -- it works.JPG
I made this copier recently, based on a digital camera and a stand. I dig it. I also made a few modifications, one of which I show in this instructable.

The digital camera I use runs on 2,000 AA batteries, though it uses only 2 at the time. But it eats through these things. It laughed at rechargeables. It cleared 8 batteries in its first day of service. I’ve read that sadly, that’s not abnormal. It’s a good camera, but the cost of batteries was going to render this project prohibitively expensive to operate.

There is no DC input adapter to use an AC power source with it, and my search for how to add one left me frustrated — the few walkthroughs I could find were good, but would require MASSIVE modification to the camera given its size.

So, I had this idea, put it together quickly, and it worked. The goal is simply to run the wire ends from an AC adapter to the contact points in the camera. Almost no modification to the camera [just enough to let the wires through], very inexpensive, and quick to make, simple, and effective.

I didn’t find any instructable or even blog written about this concept. I independently discovered and engineered the solution I will show you. There are likely better ways. Please tell me of your improvements in the comments. If this is your idea, let me know so I can credit you.

*** Obviously this will likely void your warranty.  It is intended for devices WITHOUT an AC adapter socket.  If your device has one, by all means use that.
 
 
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Step 1: Tools Needed

01 Tools.JPG
What you’ll need:
AC Adapter (I used the universal kind. This turned out to be REALLY useful for me as I’ll explain later). An old one lying around that’s of the right voltage and amperage would be fine.

Batteries for the device you’re wanting to power. In my case, that’s 2 x AA batteries.

The device you’re wanting to power. In my case, a little digital camera.

A pair of small, short screws. Just about anything you have in your tool box will work.

A screwdriver

A saw (apartment = handsaw, even though I want my circular saw).
Sandpaper/sanding block

Wire cutters / strippers
Dowel of proper diameter (this is on you. Also, it’s ok if it’s a little too small. It’ll work. Too big and you have to shave it or it won’t work).

Drill

Vice (or drill/drill press)

Marker/Pen/Something

***** CAUTION ***** You’re not an idiot. You are dealing with electricity, sharp things, heavy things, and heavy sharp things that use electricity. Be careful. I didn’t hurt myself, and that’s saying something.
hanlin_y says: Jan 27, 2012. 5:31 PM
Hi Ispcrash,
I have a variation of the AC powered "battery." One piece supplies power and the other pieces are conductors. Even though the voltage is underestimated, it's not an issue when my LED lamp is current regulated but the regulator does get very hot dropping 3 or 4 volts at 0.7 A.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Using-a-DC-Adapter-as-a-Battery/
aarond80 says: Jun 26, 2010. 5:56 PM
Good project, but I should probably point out that you are using a DC adapter, not an AC adapter. If it was AC, you would easily get shocked, and you would blow up the camera. And yes, ALWAYS check the voltage of the DC adapter to make sure it closely matches the batteries you are replacing. (1x AA = 1.5 V).
louis.m in reply to aarond80Aug 25, 2011. 6:04 PM
Excuse me , you said that he is using a DC adapter, but the power comes from an AC outlet, so they are AC powered "Batteries", right ?
aarond80 in reply to louis.mAug 25, 2011. 7:27 PM
The power comes from AC, but the adapter is a DC adapter, as it converts the AC from the wall into a DC signal. Technically it is an AC/DC adapter, most commonly shortened to DC adapter, to clarify which type of power is coming out.
louis.m in reply to aarond80Aug 26, 2011. 3:29 AM
So we agree, AC Powered "Batteries", as the article says
aarond80 in reply to louis.mAug 26, 2011. 4:20 AM
I never suggested the title was wrong, I was merely pointing out that anyone doing the project should ensure they are using an adapter that outputs DC voltage.
louis.m in reply to aarond80Aug 26, 2011. 6:04 AM
Sorry, misunderstanding, mea culpa !
paulmcgolrick says: Jun 30, 2010. 8:20 AM
Step 5 concerns drilling holes through the ends of the wooden dowels, and specifies 5/8" diameter, which must be a typo. 5/8" would be close to the diameter of a AA battery. The diameter of the holes need only be slightly more than the width of the wires.
lspcrash (author) in reply to paulmcgolrickJul 14, 2011. 3:41 PM
Yeah that was a typo. I don't remember now what size drill bit I used (5/16" maybe?) But you're right. All you need is a hole slightly wider in diameter than the wires themselves. Good catch.
phanaka says: Jul 27, 2010. 6:22 PM
I done this for my wireless phone last year. my phone burnt out after 1 month, caused by unstable power source. So, I think is it posible to use rechargable battery inside gadget and connected to direct charger, the gadget will receive more stable power (voltage).
The Locksmith in reply to phanakaMay 14, 2011. 10:48 PM
A capacitor would do the job well. I suggest testing with an oscilloscope to find the necessary amount of capacitance.
WurdBendur says: Aug 20, 2010. 7:27 AM
My brother did more or less this years ago with an old caller ID box. The connector broke so that the 9-volt battery had no place to attach anymore. He cut the end off of an adjustable AC adapter, set it to 9V, and attached the ends of the wires to the leads in the battery housing. Worked perfectly.
woodvale035 says: Jul 25, 2010. 3:38 AM
i had thought of this type of idea but never got round to doing it, glad to see it in operation and it does look a good result with minimal disruption to the unit, i have a power monkey which is a long lasting portable battery power source, it comes with many adopters for many different devices but i wanted to see if it would run my camera as it eats batteries so now im inspired to do the project with this as a part of it as it has no external power socket.. thanks btw just heard of a new high powered rechargable battery called "eneloop" ,reports are that they are great, google them.
diolola says: Jul 19, 2010. 12:35 AM
Hi, I am a newbie here. What I saw in the steps up to finish or completion, It was THE same as my idea of making it in reality. That idea is the so called "BATTERY ELIMINATOR". The author's effort is a 5S for me, saving money to use the camera as a standalone unit of document scanning. Me I am using a digital camera, a PRACTICA Model DFIX 740Z, 7 MP, using 2 AA's. Sad to say somebody stole it when I went fishing in one of the beaches in Kuwait (I worked there)..Just a word of caution: be careful in dealing with the dowels and the screws on top, they might be short-circuited by the battery connecting terminal metal strip fastened at the battery cover. This metal strip is used as link on the two batteries when you use batteries and closing the battery cover. More power to you, frankly speaking, I do not know how to post pictures here because I do not know how to make some "clouds" -like making square yellow boxes within a picture, and type comments outside in it. Any help on how I will know it? My very best regards. My e-mail address : edgardodiolola@yahoo.com I like to have interactions, changing of ideas, I am an electrician, doing small knowledge in electronics, and a mechanical technician.I am also dealing with frequency inverters installations/troubleshootings, and some plumbing works.
Redfrk says: Jul 12, 2010. 2:58 PM
I like the commitment to this project by cutting the cords first! LOL.
moneyguy says: Jul 5, 2010. 7:13 AM
very good, i don't use many small battery powered devices, but back in 2004 i happened to be recording some lectures for a religious organization and found my self having to miss parts of them, because of battery changing breaks and such frustrations. so i had done a similar mod. but mine was a littler simpler, i had used wire hanger bits taped for insulation and just attached the wires, didn't have to make any holes because wires were thin enough to be pinched by the battery cover. worked just fine, back then i was not a member of instructables. Bravo to you on posting this.
macrumpton says: Jul 4, 2010. 6:36 AM
I am so tired of my Sonicare toothbrush eating batteries (Rechargables even need to be recharged every 7-9 days), and this seems like a perfect solution. I am planning a wallwart with a long cord, so any water coming off the brush drips off the bottom of the long loop of wire rather than across to the wall socket.
eorionus says: Jul 2, 2010. 2:37 PM
This is a very useful article. If you want to make it portable, replace the AC Adapter with a couple of C or D cells in an external holder with a long wire so it can go in your pocket, purse, etc. They last MUCH longer than AAs, are the same voltage 1.5 V and probably cost less.
Albannach says: Jul 1, 2010. 11:50 AM
Perhaps you would explain how this is not practical? It seems totally useful to me, and easy to do also. Maybe you are thinking it isn't portable, which is true, but don't forget this was for a copy stand he built as far as I understand it, so it won't be moving around.
Court_ says: Jun 28, 2010. 5:16 AM
I enjoy seeing things like this only because it is interesting. But this is not practical and those are not batteries.
EmmettO says: Jun 18, 2010. 4:52 PM
"Don’t make things more complicated than necessary." *sigh* although I chant that every day I still make things more complicated than necessary.
lspcrash (author) in reply to EmmettOJun 26, 2010. 8:51 PM
'Necessary' is a flexible word.
EmmettO in reply to lspcrashJun 27, 2010. 7:58 PM
Yeah, sometimes it leads to something that people look at and say "Whoa! That's cool I never thought of doing it that way!" other times they just shake their heads, say "Why do you always have to do things in the most complicated way possible?" and then show me the real way to do it.
Cabanaman says: Jun 21, 2010. 9:28 PM
I am looking to use this method on a shelf full of AA battery operated fountains. They all take 2 AA's. I know if I wire them in parallel I can power them all using a 3v adapter with the right amount of amps, I'm just not sure how much amps I should have. Any ideas?
lspcrash (author) in reply to CabanamanJun 26, 2010. 9:22 PM
Good thinking. That's what this project is about. Let me know what you find out will you?
wsanriv in reply to CabanamanJun 22, 2010. 7:55 PM
That is a good question, I used my tester on a AA 1.5V Alkaline Battery and got 1.15+/- amps, this battery is around half life (First time I use that name and not refer to the game). Then 2 AA I got 2.22+/- I tested my rechargeable Ni-MH 2500 mAh AA 1.5V batteries and got 1.40 amps, they are also kind of used. I hope this helps!
lsocoee in reply to wsanrivJun 27, 2010. 7:39 PM
You're doing this backwards. Amperage draw is not determined by the battery, it is determined by the device. To test amperage draw, you need to measure the amps at the positive and negative side of the battery circuit when the device is in use. The camera in this instructable will require you to run wire leads to the ends of the battery(inside the camera) to test the amperage. It will be easy to check the amps if the batteries have both of their ends exposed when you take off the battery cover. Connect your multimeter to the positive of one battery and the negative of the other battery. After you get leads to the positive and negative of the battery circuit, you should test your connections. Check the voltage-if you have done this correctly, you will have 1.2 volts * number of batteries. Now, turn on your water fountains, then switch your meter to amps. That's how you determine your amperage. What happens if you use an adapter that has too many amps? You might end up feeding your device too many volts, yes, volts. Most AC/DC adapters provide their technical info with a corresponding amperage. For example, the adapter I used on my baby's swing is rated at 5V and 2A. When I tested the voltage, it was actually 8 V, because there was no load on it. When I added the 2A load, the voltage dropped down to the rated level. What happens if you use an adapter that has too few amps? The device may not work properly, but likelihood of damage to the device is slim. My concern is when your device works, but is drawing too many amps from your adapter. The adapter may overheat and may catch fire.
k4gdw in reply to lsocoeeJun 28, 2010. 7:57 AM
Yuck... A properly regulated power supply shouldn't do that. If it's rated at 5 volts it should put out close to 5 volts even with no load. The voltage shouldn't drop by a significant amount unless you attempt to draw more than it's rated amperage. Of course, if you over load the power supply, it'll also overheat. Just how much overheating it can tolerate and still function is dependent on how well the device is built.
lsocoee in reply to k4gdwJun 28, 2010. 10:19 AM
True. There are regulated power supplies that will put out 5V regardless of load. There are also unregulated power supplies which is what I was referring to. In a regulated power supply, I don't believe that higher rated amperages will cause any problems, but I'm not sure about that.
RubberRetropack in reply to lsocoeeJun 30, 2010. 10:45 PM
I am considering attempting this instructable, but I'm having a difficult time finding the correct dc adapter to purchase. Do either of you know where one might buy (for example) a 6V *regulated* adapter that is a good amp or two? So far all i've found are some shady Hong Kong operations selling off ebay, and they don't provide much information as to whether the adapters are regulated or not. Thanks.
k4gdw in reply to RubberRetropackJul 1, 2010. 4:06 AM
1 or 2 amps is probably pushing the limit of the capability of a wall-wart type power supply, regulated or not. A quick google search turned up this: http://www.powerstream.com/power2-3-6.html I've never dealt with this company myself so I can't comment on their service. There are several supplies listed within the range you're talking about that are listed as regulated. Note: Even with a regulated supply there will be some variance in voltage as the load is varied. The regulation just keeps that variance to within +/- some percentage. I didn't see where they actually listed that variance in the specs so that's something you'll have to ask them if it's critical to your application.
RubberRetropack in reply to k4gdwJul 1, 2010. 4:42 PM
I just purchased a 6v 1800mA adapter from a local electronics store, tried it in the device, and it seems to work fine. My multimeter gives a reading of 6V, and surely the multimeter doesn't actually use much amperage, so that should indicate that the adapter is regulated. Is that a safe assumption?
k4gdw in reply to RubberRetropackJul 1, 2010. 5:14 PM
if that's without a load then I'd say yes. The problem with an unregulated power supply is that it will often produce a significantly higher voltage than the device needs when there is no load. This results in an initial surge in voltage when the device is first turned on. The surge will only last milliseconds so isn't likely to damage your device in the short run but over time these repeated surges can shorten the life of the device. That might be part of the reason why some electronics manufacturers who provide wall warts with their products often provide unregulated supplies. Not only are the unregulated ones cheaper to produce, they can result in the average consumer having to replace the device more often.
RubberRetropack in reply to k4gdwJul 2, 2010. 10:42 PM

Thanks for the help, here's a photo of my completed project:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/exolucere/4756272919/

I am SO happy with this, I could give you a big smooch!

lsocoee in reply to k4gdwJul 2, 2010. 6:50 AM
I'm a bit late, but for other folks looking to purchase power supplies...I like to check out a website www.allelectronics.com They sell surplus electronics, so their inventory is always changing.

I found a variable voltage switching regulated supply for $10 http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/PS-10/1-AMP-SWITCHING-POWER-SUPPLY-w/SELECTABLE-OUTPUT//1.html

A switching supply will draw negligible power when there is no load. Non-switching will always draw power, regardless of whether the device is connected.
k4gdw in reply to lsocoeeJun 28, 2010. 11:53 AM
The regulator circuit, be it an IC or home brewed from discrete components, would only be able to handle so much current passing through it. To build the power supply as cheaply as possible and still meet it's intended purpose the entire system should be capable of handling a small current above the intended load and include a fuse to protect the expensive and/or hard to replace components from an overload such as might happen if the device being powered developed a short circuit or someone attempted to power a device that drew too much current. For example, my 40 amp power supply will run my 100W ham radio by itself all day long and barely be warm to the touch. In fact, I know hams that own cats whose favorite napping spot during the winter is on top of the power supply. However, if I were to try to also power an amplifier at the same time a fuse would blow. If I bypassed the fuse I could expect anything from a fried regulator IC, blown filter caps, or even a melted transformer which would result in directly shorting the AC power coming from the wall plug and all that that could entail.
depotdevoid says: Jun 18, 2010. 12:51 PM
Nice, I like this sort of simple fix to a frustrating problem. I've got a couple of projects lying around that could benefit from this sort of thing, so I my just build something along these lines! 5 stars for sure!
lspcrash (author) in reply to depotdevoidJun 26, 2010. 8:50 PM
Simple, fun, requires some work that pretty much anyone can do even in an apartment, that's kinda cool. That's the kind of thing I like too. Glad you have a use for it. Enjoy!
depotdevoid in reply to lspcrashJun 26, 2010. 9:12 PM
By the way, congrats on a great first instructable, I look forward to seeing more from you!
nanosec12 says: Jun 19, 2010. 9:29 AM
What an elegant solution.................If I may add a possible improvement? Without naming names, your neighborhood electronics store whose initials are RS, sells multi-port multi-voltage adapters. If you look around, you can find on that has a disconnect plug inline with the final adapter, by using this disconnect plug you could make multiple versions of your 'ible, one for each device, and then switch between them with the disconnect plug....I suppose you could wire in your own disconnect as well. This would allow you to use the same 'wall-wart' for multiple devices, w/o tearing it apart or even removing your wooden batteries. Just my thoughts, 5 of 5 for you, and a patch !!!!
lspcrash (author) in reply to nanosec12Jun 26, 2010. 8:53 PM
Thanks. PLEASE add possible improvements. Pride vs. functionality, let functionality and safety take the front seat every time.
FazJaxton says: Jun 18, 2010. 12:02 PM
Very nice instructable! I really like your simple, effective approach.
lspcrash (author) in reply to FazJaxtonJun 26, 2010. 8:51 PM
Thanks. See above.
SemisolidSnake says: Jun 18, 2010. 9:49 AM
Oh, man.

I was going to write this EXACT instructable in just a couple of days when I finished MY camera scanner. Bravo on beating me to the punch. :D

If you don't mind, I'd like to add a couple of tips and differences from my build to hopefully enhance the overall project, which really is a great one.

1) 1/2" dowels = AA batteries, 3/8" dowels = AAA batteries.

2) I used brass round headed machine screws on mine since brass screws are often used to clamp down wires. I don't know if this makes any difference at all, but it seemed like a good idea and won't have any corrosion issues.

3) I made mine exactly the length of AA batteries. I cut the dowel slightly shorter to include the screw head in that length. I just tape the battery door of my camera closed while letting the wires protrude.

4) I didn't drill holes through mine for the wire. I just wrapped the wire under the head of the screw, tightened it down, and let the wire stay on the outside. That way I could install these in different positions in various devices if I want. I was going to cut slits in the sides of the dowels to better accommodate the wires, though, that will have to be for the next time I build one.

5) I didn't wire my adapters directly into the AC adapter, because I didn't want to cut the wires. So I did this (requires easy soldering):

a) I bought a DC power jack from Radio Shack for a couple of bucks. They have them back in their drawers of little electronic components. I wasn't too picky about which one I got, because I knew my would AC adapter would have some tip to fit it.

b) I located the terminals on the back of the jack that I wanted to use. There should be a diagram on the back of the DC jack container. For mine, the furthest peg from the center connected to the center pin, which I planned to use as my positive.

My jack was one the types that has three terminals, so that it can switch between onboard power and external power for a device depending on whether the DC plug is inserted or not. You don't need that capability here, but it made finding the proper negative pin harder. What I did was to insert the proper sized plug into my AC adapter so that it was oriented with the center positive. Then I plugged the DC plug into my jack and the adapter into the wall. Then I took a voltmeter and tested between my positive jack pin and the other two to see which one registered a voltage when the plug was inserted. That determined my negative pin.

c) Then I just soldered the wires from the positive and negative "batteries" to their proper pins on the jack. You can find soldering advice all of the net and all the necessary tools and materials also at Radio Shack.

There we go, you've got an adapter with which you can plug and unplug your AC adapter without having to destroy anything. And it does work swimmingly.

Great Instructable! I'm glad this little helpful little project is available to everyone now. Good job!
SemisolidSnake in reply to SemisolidSnakeJun 18, 2010. 10:05 AM

Oh, one more thing.

This device isn't limited to 2 battery, 3V devices.

You can use it to replace any number of batteries as long as you adjust your voltage on the ac adapter.  You don't need to make additional "batteries" either.

For instance, a device that takes 4 AAs, AAAs, Cs, or Ds would need to have the adapter set to 6 Volts (4 batteries x 1.5 volts a piece). 

The caveat with replacing more than two batteries, though, is that you must determine which terminals in the device's battery holder actually connect back to the device itself.  Many of them will wire directly to the next battery to chain them in series.  This may require opening up the device to look at the wiring connections.

Trial and error may work also.  The circuit shouldn't be completed and actually work until the wooden "batteries" are both connected to the proper in and out terminals of the battery holder.  Just make sure you don't connect any positives to negatives or vice versa!

Haven't tried this, yet, but it should be fine according the site I once found that described how to make these things that I've never been able to find again. :D
lspcrash (author) in reply to SemisolidSnakeJun 26, 2010. 8:43 PM
You're right. You can make any number of things. The thing is, I made what I made to solve the problem I was facing at the time. I appreciate the extra info. you've provided regarding making it to different specifications.
Phil B says: Jun 18, 2010. 9:08 AM
In order to avoid burning the camera or any other device where someone might follow this approach, two things could easily be done. One would be to limit the power supply's output with an LM371 voltage regulator set for the desired output voltage. See the link to a schematic at this Instructable.  Second, if the current draw is not too much, one could shunt between the output leads with a zener diode rated for the proper voltage, but be careful to use the correct polarity, which is a reverse polarity, so the zener ducts off excess voltage rather than simply create a short circuit.  See this link provided by Lemonie for a question someone submitted.

I was impressed many years ago when a furnace repairman replaced the 24 volt transformer on a household furnace's thermostat control circuit.  He included an in-line fuse that would blow if there were any shorts that might damage the transformer.  I always like to double-check the output of a power supply with a voltmeter before connecting it to a circuit so I do not damage the circuit.
shad0w88 in reply to Phil BJun 26, 2010. 4:25 PM
Would a LM317 Power Supply provide enough wattage for this? seeing as it would eliminate the need for a universal power adapter for a normal one or another power source?
Phil B in reply to shad0w88Jun 26, 2010. 6:30 PM
An LM317 regulator chip can handle between 1.2 and 32 volts input. Output will be slightly less due to natural loss across a diode junction. Maximum current output is normally 1 ampere, or 1.5 amperes with a good heat sink. I ran a digital camera on a 12 volt power adapter reduced to 9 volts (factory specs on the camera for a power adapter). It was rated at 1 ampere and worked very well. That would vary according to the demands of your camera.
srilyk in reply to Phil BJun 26, 2010. 6:04 AM
Having used a universal adapter on my camera set on too-high a voltage, rendering my camera useless, this is a darn good idea.
Phil B in reply to srilykJul 1, 2010. 8:35 AM
It would be a nice touch if manufacturers would provide a high current zener diode shunt on external power supply jacks, like on a camera. Such a shunt would protect the camera from too much voltage and save the camera.
frontpage says: Jun 26, 2010. 9:34 AM
an idea ok you said rechargable is out but why not make a large battery pack maybe lithium etc. or even a smack load of rechargables set in a pack that can be recharged now instead of constantly replacing them use your setup and run the wires to the pack ? now your mobile and there is flat wire might work for some items for the door for what ever the device let me know ..
mikedoth says: Jun 18, 2010. 3:59 PM
Dumb question, can you build a USB version (is it worth it)?
frollard in reply to mikedothJun 19, 2010. 4:28 AM
something to consider: ...if that camera already works on USB (via the usb cable) without batteries, you might be set :D Just be careful because usb can only handle 2.5 watts (500 ma) and the charge circuit for the flash might get mad.
EmmettO in reply to mikedothJun 18, 2010. 5:05 PM
It would be possible to do. You would need a 3v Zener diode or some other way of limiting the voltage from 5v to 3v. Would it be worth it? It could have it's uses it would be smaller than the wall wart.
wolfperson1 says: Jun 25, 2010. 1:47 PM
Were you using standard AA batteries? Those are useless in digital cameras. If you buy the more expensive, lithium ones (like these: http://www.energizer.com/products/hightech-batteries/lithium/pages/lithium-batteries.aspx), they'll go a lot farther. I recently traveled for 6 months using a small, canon digital camera that takes AA batteries. I got 3 months out of one pair of the lithium ones, compared with a few days of the non-lithium. The difference was huge. Basically, in six months (and over 20 gigs of pictures), I started with an old pair of batteries. Two weeks in, I replaced the old ones with a pair of the lithium ones. I only had to replace them once, and I'm still using the second pair of lithiums. So in six months, I basically used four pairs of batteries. Also, if your camera has a view-finder, look like an old-fashioned idiot and use it. Turning off your display extends battery life. It takes a bit more getting used to, but you can always delete the pictures.
uncle frogy says: Jun 25, 2010. 11:12 AM
reading this project was a puzzle for a while because it said using an AC power supply to power a battery powered device. I guess, though I may have missed it, that what is really done is tp make an adapter to use a DC power supply to substitute for the batteries and not an AC power supply to power a DC powered device. That makes much more sense the goal is to supply the device with its expected voltage. The instructable is really about how to make the connectors to replace the batteries, the actual power supply is not directly addressed and could be of any size or configuration as long as the device "sees" its expected voltage, current and polarity. though in the comments is a discussion of various issues of the power supply itself. I like simple ideas like this!
sellulose says: Jun 25, 2010. 2:04 AM
You can assemble the ciruit on a general purpose board and use and ac adaptor. Circuit is polarity free at the input. use any AC adaptor without worrying abt the polarity at the pin and voltage rating. The output will be 3V always. You may always want the regulator IC LM317T mounted to a small heatsink for protection. Just be sure to insert the batteries correctly. Hope this makes things safer..
sellulose in reply to selluloseJun 25, 2010. 2:08 AM
I had uploaded a circuit too. Dont know wher did it go. Help me with uploads.
DanYHKim says: Jun 18, 2010. 4:05 PM
Very clever. I do something similar to power FRS radios (walkie-talkies) to use as an intercom between the house and garage/shop. The caution about checking proper voltage is very important. Many of the power adapters I've checked deliver higher voltages than is written on their labels. Does anyone know why? The only ones that are consistent are chargers for USB devices with the mini USB plug on the end. I have also found that some power supplies give very dirty power, making radios noisy. Does anyone have advice on how to clean up the output of these chargers, so my radios sound clearer?
sellulose in reply to DanYHKimJun 25, 2010. 1:32 AM
What you are measuring across the output of the adaptor without connecting any device (besides the meter)is called open circuit voltage. If connect a device to an adaptor, it acts as a load. A load draws current after which the voltage drops to a lower voltage than the rated output. The load draws higher current than the meter, hence when only connecting the meter, the voltage will show high. To measure voltage across power supplies, aways measure with a load connected. An exception to this is a regulated power supply. An adaptor is an unregulated source. Normally adaptor manufacturers mostly assume that the device such as cameras or walkmans have got inbuilt regulators. Hence they provide higher voltages. Regulators normally use minimum 2Volts to operate and hence the difference between output to input voltage should always be higher than 2 Volts.
dalecarlile in reply to DanYHKimJun 24, 2010. 9:14 AM
Yes, it is easy to clean up the output. Build a filter. The easiest is an inline filter using two capacitors and one coil. Use the largest practical electrolytic Capacitors and wind a coil on a toroid core. So here we go, connect the first capacitor's positive side to the positive lead from the powersource. Using a suitable size wire wrap 20+ turns on a toroid core. Connect one end of the coil to the positive wire/capacitor connection. Connect the other end of the coil to the positive end of the other capacitor. Connect the negative wire of the supply to the 2-negative ends of the capacitors. Output is taken from across the second capacitor. Sometimes I wind 2 coils and place one in the negative side as well. Notes, Capacitors have a voltage rating. If you are working with a 5 Volt supply, buy a 7.5 volt capacitor. For a 3 volt project a 4.5 volt one will work. You need a slightly higher rating because of the spikes in the output. Wire size needs to be determinied by current capacity. See a chart and choose the appropriate size of insulated wire. Wire size will determine how large of a toroid you need to fit the windings on it. Have fun and try more or fewer turns as it is not critical. My 12 volt 1-amp wall wart has a filter using 2-25Mfd Capacitors rated at 15VDC and a 1-inch ID toroid with 30 turns of number 20 enamaled copper wire. It works nicely. I enclosed the filter in a small project box and used push in terminals on the curcuit board. Cost was about $5. Try parts shopping at a local HAM-FEST, Amateur Radio event. Check ARRL.org for one near you.
Zimminger in reply to dalecarlileJun 24, 2010. 4:36 PM
Dalecarlile, you just wrote an instructable. Nice. I'll add a bit now. Cheap wall converters...who knows what voltage is REALLY coming out of them? If they're rated at the average voltage, they're delivering a higher peak voltage. That's what you'll see as soon as you hook up a capacitor because it will charge the capacitor to the peak voltage, not the average, which is easy to cut down with a couple of resistors as a voltage divider. 1. Buy a multimeter. They're very cheap, and very useful even if you only use it as a battery tester once in a while. But be wary of testing an unfiltered supply because many meters will read the average voltage and not the peak. The peak is about 40 percent higher than the average (rms) so increasing the voltage rating by 50 percent should work, but I'd double whatever I read just to be on the safe side. After it's been through a filter, you can trust the voltage reading. 2. I mentioned voltage divider. This is a good project to learn Ohm's law. It's really simple. You can put it on either side of the filter, but if you put it on the adapter side of the filter then you get an added oomph (high current) from the second filter capacitor. That may be necessary to work a camera that eats batteries like this one does.
krich in reply to DanYHKimJun 19, 2010. 7:30 AM
Here's a pretty good explanation of "unregulated power supplies", which is generally your average wall wart. http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorial_info.php?tutorials_id=103 From experience, I have found that these power supplies measure higher than their rated voltage when they are not under load (i.e. with just a multimeter connected). The voltage drops to roughly the rated voltage as you start pulling current through the supply. If you pull too many amps through the supply, the voltage can drop below the rated voltage and you risk damaging the transformer coil. To get a good idea of what the voltage will be under load, simply connect the + and - terminals through a resistor and then measure the potential between the + and - terminals. A 1000 ohm resistor should be sufficient for most power supplies to settle down to their nominal voltage.
ac-dc in reply to krichJun 24, 2010. 12:00 PM
While I agree with your general ideas, a 1000 Ohm resistor is far too small a load for a low voltage wall wart to settle down to it's nominal voltage. Read the rated voltage and current on the label. Ohm's law then applies. For example 5V 500mA (0.5A) wall wart would need close to 5/.5 = 10 Ohm resistor as a load. Again Ohm's law, 5V * 0.5A = 2.5W, the minimum wattage rating of the resistor, but conservatively it's best to derate a resistor by 50% so a 5W resistor would be a better pick unless it is only hooked up for a moment to get a voltage reading so it doesn't overheat.
dreadengineer in reply to ac-dcJun 24, 2010. 4:13 PM
Quite true. The best thing, as mentioned above, is to use the wall wart to power a voltage regulator chip that outputs the voltage you need. For 2 AA batteries, 1.5V * 2 = approx. 3V, so you could use a 3.3V regulator like this one from Jameco.  You can get voltage regulators in all kinds of voltages, and they usually cost $1 or less. Basically, you would connect a higher voltage to the input, and connect the output to your battery +.  It helps to also put a capacitor between the output and ground to reduce noise.
jcomtois in reply to DanYHKimJun 19, 2010. 12:38 AM
Cheap power supplies often read at a higher voltage than their label states if you just check them with a voltmeter (open circuit). They should drop closer to their rated voltage when under a load.
EmmettO in reply to jcomtoisJun 19, 2010. 4:47 AM
That wouldn't cause noise on the radio though. It could burn out the radio or shorten it's life span. The reason for the noise is wall warts rarely do a good job of filtering the AC power. Many only have one diode and so will have a pulse of electricity every cycle. The better wall warts have a bridge rectifier so there are two pulses per cycle. Again the cheap ones won't have a big enough capacitor in them to filter the power and the input will look like a peak and then a slope if you look at it on an oscilloscope. This will introduce noise, especially on radios.
Wyle_E in reply to DanYHKimJun 19, 2010. 12:34 AM
An unregulated power supply will maintain its rated voltage only at the current specified on its label. If you draw less current, the voltage will be higher. With a regulated supply, the current rating is unimportant as long as it's more than your device will draw. 5-volt supplies are almost always regulated, because they were originally designed for the old TTL integrated circuits, which were very finicky about their diet.
EmmettO in reply to DanYHKimJun 18, 2010. 5:01 PM
one way to do so would be to add a capacitor (or capacitors) in parallel with the device. In other words, a capacitor going between the positive and negative. and then have the positive and negative leads continue to your battery terminals. The more capacitance, the cleaner the signal will be.
appaloosard says: Jun 24, 2010. 6:05 PM
Good post! I live on a remote ranch with 100% solar power system that I built myself, and am always looking for novel ways to save going to town. I use a lot of rechargeable AAs, but this seems better suited to my situation. This is really a 'DUH' moment.
rall2 says: Jun 24, 2010. 5:49 PM
You must be careful when selecting the power adaptor, as many rated 3.5V can supply as high as 7V under a light load, for example when turning the camera off. You must use only REGULATED power adaptors. Most 2-cell cameras (3V) are happy to work with 3.5V; 500mA should be OK, but it is better to use a 1A adaptor, as the current taken during power-up can be that high on some pocket cameras. This high current peak is generally used by cameras to check the condition of the cells; the camera will turn off if the voltage drops below approx. 2.2V, even for a few milliseconds.
MaXoR says: Jun 24, 2010. 12:43 PM
I wanted to point out that this adapter is an AC to DC adapter, for some of us, we know that you can also get AC "Adapters" that will just convert the power, Either bucking or retarding it. I honestly thought you were talking about the AC-AC adapters, and if I thought that, then I figure someone else might as well. So to be clear to those who think like me, this is an AC - DC adapter. AC power will make your camera start to smoke likely.... because your shoving voltage the wrong way for half the cycle (Electricity isn't a constant stream in AC applications)
pocdragon in reply to MaXoRJun 24, 2010. 3:26 PM
i second this i leave this comment becuse i thought you were using an AC-AC adapter your using an AC-DC adapter just call it a dc adapter to remove confusion, because your camera wouldent work if its ment to run on dc otherwise cool idea
mightywombat says: Jun 24, 2010. 10:59 AM
This is a great idea! I was planning to do something similar for a benchtop multimeter I found a garage sale that's solely battery powered, but I was thinking to just use alligator clips. For things like cameras and such it might be a good idea to build in your own regulator circuit. Nothing fancy, just a FET regulator like a 7805 (for 5V, obviously) and a couple resistors and capacitors will smooth out the delivered voltage on those unregulated wall warts. That would also allow you to use a variable supply that doesn't have exactly the right output voltage on it. You could probably build them into a pair of plastic tubes and secure them together into a little power pack sort of arrangement. Looking forward to trying this!
edwardjohn says: Jun 24, 2010. 8:50 AM
Really love this idea. Good job!
LinkTGF says: Jun 24, 2010. 8:46 AM
great project, and i suspect a great way to step your toe into working with minor electrical things. =) As for the 9v comment, you could probably just splice in the 9v connectior with the wallwart and not have to worry about making a 9v-shaped block of wood, as those 9v connectors snap together with each other...
techcon says: Jun 24, 2010. 8:11 AM
Fantastic, I used this same method in 2 Digital counters that used 2 "N" size batteries. They were to be installed on a Mailing machine to count letters on a conveyor so I didn't want to be changing batteries in the middle of a mail run. Great minds think alike.
santy22 says: Jun 18, 2010. 8:47 PM
Hmm, i have this sony camera with a little flip-open notch in the battery container, it begs that couple wires to go through. This is awesome.
v7john in reply to santy22Jun 24, 2010. 7:05 AM
Sony make a power supply like this to fit some of their cameras and the little door is to let the wire out. Much cheaper to make your own though!
Gopher Mound says: Jun 23, 2010. 2:40 PM
Probably one of the more novel ideas I've seen on here. I would agree with the checking of the voltage and amps BEFORE doing anything, but it's all in fun.
danielemur says: Jun 20, 2010. 12:19 PM
You should be very carefull which way you put the fake batteries in because if you put both batteries in the wrong way the transformer (the thing you plug into the wall) could catch fire, blow up, and/or destroy the device you are trying to use. The batteries are used correctly in this instructable but make sure the two terminals (the metal ends of the batteries) do not touch. Great instructable!
Computothought says: Jun 19, 2010. 7:04 PM
Excellent idea! I did one thing different though. I bought a little adapter for a buck, so I did not have to cut the ends off of the ps.
1up says: Jun 19, 2010. 4:42 PM
Very nice! I had this idea years ago, but never actually made a prototype. It's neat to see the idea executed! :)
rimar2000 says: Jun 19, 2010. 3:31 PM
Good idea! Two years ago I made a Z arrangement of two cheap cameras for 3D, and I did that you propose. It worked perfectly
zack247 says: Jun 19, 2010. 9:02 AM
nice. this is the solution for my camera. the batteries, if they are brand new, last only about 10-15 minutes. i might just open it up and solder somewires to it instead, though, since this camera never leaves home anyways.
EmmettO says: Jun 18, 2010. 5:16 PM
I have a camera with a rechargeable battery but it's so old that the battery barely holds a charge anymore. I was thinking of doing something similar to this just this morning, except my battery puts out 3.7v (li-on) and it's a rectangle. Then I looked online and found that batteries that used to cost $50 now only cost $7. I don't have a point, other than its weird how I was just thinking of something very similar this morning. I did do this for an electric fence that ran off of D cells years ago but I just direct wired the terminals.
karlpinturr says: Jun 18, 2010. 3:28 PM
Great work! - Something of a Homer moment, I think (as in "D'oh! - Why hasn't anyone done that before?") Just a couple of points... 1) Adaptors TEND to conform to a standard of the MARKED wire being the NEGATIVE (the OUTER contact on the terminal plug) - but check anyway, by using the old 'bulb-n-wire' trick. NOTE: some makes appear to have no markings (I have a Tomy Adaptor thatis ALL white, but one wire does have ridges runing along it), and these are IMPORTANT to check, as above. 2) Voltage is more important than amperage - you MUST match it as near PERFECTLY as is humanly posible, or you WILL fry stuff. Usually, the only thing to watch, with your amperages is the minimum your device will work with - though some cameras, at least, will refuse to take more than a certain amount. Anyway, great 'ible - and more power to your elbow (or anything else that needs AC durability)!
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