How to Make a Box Joint Box by pfred2
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Anyone that reads my profile may notice that woodworking is first on my list of interests. So where are all the woodworking articles? Fact is I don't often document those projects. Making box joints is something I have done so much I have had a chance to photograph the process.

If you're really going to do this then read the entire set of instructions before you begin because some things are revealed later that you should be aware of earlier. This is done for reasons of brevity and conciseness. This is already long enough! Maybe that is why this technique seems tricky. Once you know it all it is actually pretty simple and easy.

I'm pretty sure with my instructions anyone can do this, but if you've any questions well, leave a comment, and I'll try to elaborate on anything you are unsure of.
 
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Step 1: Do a Jig

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I don't mean any Dancing With the Stars sort of thing. No, to make box joints a fixture jig is used.

Hopefully the graphics here will explain all but if not this is how I make mine.

First I take a piece of wood and screw it to my miter gauge for my table saw. Make sure the wood is flat flush with the table.

Now determine the width of finger joints desired, set a dado blade accordingly. Put blade into the saw, set height etc.

Run the miter gauge with the piece of wood screwed to it over the blade making a notch.

Remove wood from miter gauge and carefully measure the notch.

Step off the measurement of the notch and cut an identical notch into the wood piece.

Make a square pin piece that fits right into your new notch and affix it into there using glue, maybe a nail or something too.

Reattach your completed jig back onto your miter gauge exactly where you took it off. If you need to make a pencil mark to get it right back where it was whatever it takes. It is vitally important that your jig is in the exact right spot on your miter gauge though.

The accuracy which you construct your jig will transfer to the box joints you will make with it so do a good job. I measure my notch with calipers accurate to .001 of an inch. I'm not really too sure if anything else would work. But you're more than welcome to try. I undersize the stuck out part of my pin a little to make it a bit easier to get the box parts on and off it. I just sand the pin a little after it is put together.

The astute observer will notice that the jig is a pattern of one box joint that we will simply repeat over and over in order to cut the successive joinery.
macgyver71 says: May 9, 2013. 11:17 AM
Thank you for an excellent instructable, and double thanks for recycling pallets into something beautiful
mikeasaurus says: Oct 12, 2011. 1:13 PM
Thanks for showing us how this done, your finished box looks great!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 12, 2011. 3:21 PM
Would it look any better if I told you I made it out of an old shipping pallet? Because I did :)

I'm thinking about writing an article on this site about how to break old pallets down. I even made a special tool for doing it.
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triumphman says: May 31, 2012. 4:43 PM
Yes, that tool is nice! I want to make one. Is that welds I see? I don't have a welder. Is there a way to make it with nuts and bolts, without welding anything? My brother has torches and the like, maybe he will help out! Thanks again! Triumphman
pfred2 (author) says: May 31, 2012. 9:16 PM
I welded it. If I had to use a torch I'd probably braze it together. If you are going to try to make one here is another picture where you can see the tool more clearly. The other picture I attached to my comment on this page is more a how it is used picture:

http://i.imgur.com/2QnxS.jpg
bricabracwizard says: Oct 17, 2011. 8:53 PM
I love your pallet 'breaker upperer', I could have used that on a number of occasions!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 3:39 AM
Just one more tweak and it is ready to market! heh
Eromanga says: Oct 16, 2011. 6:31 PM
Excellent - thanks for that photograph of your pallet tool. Looks very practical and better than my current method. I'm a pallet collector too, for the cheap wood source.
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 7:39 PM
To use it I smack the top with a big hammer about a 2 pound hand sledge.
skylane says: Oct 16, 2011. 12:10 PM
Nice job on that!

Years back, I had quite a few oak pallets. I'd seen a back yard shed made of used pallet wood that was pretty impressive.
Unfortunately for me, the pallets I acquired were put together with "twisted" nails.
I'd tried every which way I could think of to get them apart without destroying them. I even tried a hydraulic (jack?) that fit in the 4" space. I found nothing to work.
Sadly, they ended up making some pretty nice firewood... :-(
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 1:34 PM
All pallets I run into are put together with twisted nails. Depends what style they are how I rip them apart. Block riser types I jack apart. But stringer style I use my fork device after I saw off the ends with a circular saw and a cheap carbide blade I don't care if I hit a nail with.

Usually the heads pop off the nails. I use vise grips on the nail shanks and a pry bar to salvage the stringer wood.
drewgrey says: Oct 15, 2011. 10:10 PM
Its amazing how good pallet wood can be. I planed down a bunch today that is almost like rosewood.
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 15, 2011. 11:22 PM
It'd be more incredible if people were so foolish as to use inferior materials to ship valuable merchandise on. What is amazing is how few put the fact together.

Most hardwood pallets I see are poplar and oak, though sometimes I run into other unidentifiable woods as well. I think this is flame maple. It really blew me away after I stained and finished it.

Before finishing it didn't look like anything special to me.
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drewgrey says: Dec 28, 2011. 9:37 PM
A friend of mine scored a pallet for heavy machinery that had a few oak beams about 16 feet long. Best freeby ever
pfred2 (author) says: Dec 29, 2011. 3:02 PM
Your friend must have a big truck.
mikeasaurus says: Oct 12, 2011. 10:10 PM
Really, pallet wood?!  That box is now new measures of awesomeness, I think it was the worn pallet grain that totally drew my eye.

I've been brainstorming projects for pallets for some time now, I definitely think you need to post your pallet-deconstruction tool and tutorial; it's got to be better than my hammer/crowbar method.
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 12, 2011. 11:58 PM
While I was making toothpicks out of many pallets using a crowbar I kept thinking if I could just get a hammer shot up under the board. So I made that tool out of 3 inch C channel and some scrap pieces of angle iron. I smack the top of it with a heavy hammer, it goes down, and the board pops up!

Here is another picture of it:
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Robert T. says: Oct 16, 2011. 9:08 PM
I used to know a guy in Atlanta who went around collecting and repairing pallets or 'skids' as they're called back here in Michigan! At any rate, he would be able to make a nice pile of greenbacks selling these pallets when repaired. "Primitive, yes, but he was effective for his wife and kids' appetites! He fed his family. I like what you've shown me here, today, and will remember what is means to me, in the future. I am a pretty good carpenter, too. What I like to do is collect old dock wood from the beaches of Lake Michigan and build tables of them. You would be amazed at the kind and amount of great, usable wood, that washes up on the beach after a long winter. pfred2, you have shown genius in your work, and a knack for using solid and strong wood for good purposes! It's manner or source, only adds to the brilliant way you have used what otherwise would be scrapped! That is where the 'genius' comes in! The perfect joints you make for the boxes are incredible and clean! I'm not surprised you found "rosewood" on some of the skids; I'm shocked just short of miraculous wonder! Keep up the magic work, pfred2. You are my hero, man! Thank you! Kind Regards, Robert T.
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 10:44 PM
Thank you for your kind comments.
kenbob says: Oct 13, 2011. 4:16 PM
Like!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 13, 2011. 6:25 PM
Primitive but effective is my motto.
triumphman says: May 31, 2012. 4:35 PM
I made some honey bee hives that way. I have a video of some guys who show that very same setup. I had to write it down from each step, pause the video, write, then watch the next step. I finally got to make the jig and try it on my old craftsman table saw. They don't make them like that anymore. New stuff is junk! I can't believe how cheap the new saw are! The quality has gone to a new low of "made in china" ! Even Craftsaman saws are cheesy quality! I also go yard sailing and flea marketing! I have found some great old tools out there that just needed a new power cord or switch. Old is better ! I always say. New is junk! For sure. Our landfills are getting full of stuff made in china. I heard a guy say "when in doubt throw it out", what a looser he was! He lost big time because he kept throwing out stuff and buying more junk to replace it! I got away from him fast. He made me angry, he and many others today have the same attitude. The Wally movie hit it right on the head! Keep up the good work. Love your ideas! Triumphman
jefeickert says: Oct 18, 2011. 3:31 AM
I am trying to find some way to cut an circle out of 3/4 plywood. 12" dia
SWV1787 says: May 3, 2012. 6:50 AM
check out this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxbzrf4z_cg
pfred2 (author) says: May 3, 2012. 9:22 AM
That is one variation of the trammel point method that is used with a router, band saw, or jig saw.
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 7:36 AM
A band saw, jigsaw, or router would do it. I've even seen people do it on a table saw come to think about it. It is even possible to make a disc that big on some wood working lathes. So I guess it depends what tools you have and how you'd like to go about it.
shazni says: Dec 14, 2011. 12:40 AM
Is there anyway i can make a box joint without dado blades? i have a table saw...and a jig saw with a jigsaw table(it's like a band saw). Dado blades are very expensive here and since it's just a hobby i'm starting on i don't want to spend more as i just bought a circular saw ( which i have converted to a table saw i have mentioned!)
your help would be wonderful. thanks
pfred2 (author) says: Dec 14, 2011. 4:01 AM
When I first started out I did not have a dado blade myself so I stacked regular blades together and it worked. Just try to use a group of the exact same blades. You also need to stagger the teeth a bit from each other for it to work best.

Then for a long time I used a wobble dado blade. The one I have is not very expensive at all. If I had to characterize it I'd have to say it is a cheap piece of garbage. But it got the job done.

Just recently I finally managed to run across a nice chipper dado blade set at a yard sale priced very reasonably. I made a throat plate out of phenolic sheet for my new to me tablesaw for it. I still have not done anything more than a test cut with it, but the results of that were promising. So I'm looking forward to enjoying using it in future projects.

I should also add that some people use routers mounted in router tables to make box finger joints. I tried it, I did not care for it myself. Perhaps if my router table was a bit different I'd have liked it more? I still like how circular saw blades cut better over router bits though.

When I get the time my next box project will be to make a storage box for my chipper dado set. The cardboard box I got it in is a bit beat up. Guy even threw in some other circular saw blades with it too. He was a cabinet maker who moved into just sales.

I've a picture of all the junk I bought running around that day that I will attach to this post. I used it in my magnetic motor starter article because it was the same day I bought my contactor. I got all those saw blades for $10 USD I think. Might have been $20 I can't remember.
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shazni says: Dec 17, 2011. 6:10 PM
Thanks for your reply....I'm from sri lanka....where the cheapest blade is $10+ !
garage sales are practically non existing for these items.. :-(
Woodworking here is like only for professional males! not the average male as the cost for a circular saw is very expensive!
pfred2 (author) says: Dec 17, 2011. 8:01 PM
I find the price of items to be flexible and dependent on what I am willing to pay for them. If one object is too much I keep on looking until I come across another more to my liking. It is a big world so someplace everything can be had if I just look hard enough.

It does help to look at the right times in the right places though. I work hard to make it happen for me. A lot harder than the average male.
DisplacedMic says: Oct 24, 2011. 10:23 AM
Another question, Fred - when you do your overhang - do you do it for both sides and how much do you do? I experimented with overhanging 1 side only and then using a router to smooth it out - but i didn't account very well for blade kerf. I was thinking I would make one overhang longer than the other so that i could route one and sand the other. any tips there?
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 24, 2011. 12:53 PM
Well the less overhang you can get the better. But there should always be some. Far easier to sand them to fit than it is to fit them perfectly.

When you see the finished box the fingers are flush to the sides and it has the appearance of careful skilled workmanship. That is the image I wish to convey the most easily I can. Sanding things to one and another is a technique I employ often to achieve a "perfect" fit without putting myself out too much getting it .

Really end grain needs to be sanded some before finishing anyways. Just looks better that way. Rough sand then route if you're going to perform another machining operation on the work. Running over the protruding fingers is not desirable.

The only scenario where you'd want some fingers to stick out more than others is if you are using box sides of unequal thicknesses. In that case set your overhang so fingers stick out of the thickest sides.

If your fingers really stick out a lot you can nip them off a little with a saw, then sand what remains. That can happen if you're doing a box run with different thickness sides and do not adjust the blade height between the boxes. It happens. Just don't try to saw the fingers all the way down and hit the side of the box with the saw blade. By saw I mean on a table saw though I imagine some other saws would work as well.

By sand the fingers down I mean use a belt sander with about 36 grit on it, or maybe a disc sander to really bring the fingers down quickly. This sanding is separate to any finish sanding the box may receive. It is a machining process in and of itself. Done right it goes quickly.
DisplacedMic says: Oct 26, 2011. 10:41 AM
Thanks Fred!

have you ever tried rounding the box corners themselves? i wonder how that would look
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 26, 2011. 1:03 PM
I have. It's OK
tim_n says: Oct 17, 2011. 1:08 AM
Looks like I'm going to need to get a table saw...
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 17, 2011. 7:16 AM
They're handy. In American wood shops they are the central machine. Europeans seem to go with band saws more.
bricabracwizard says: Oct 17, 2011. 8:38 PM
Band saw blades tend to bend on large jobs where table saws do a much cleaner job!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 3:43 AM
I don't know, they make some pretty wide and heavy band saw blades. There is even a carbide tipped band saw blade out that everyone raves about. It is expensive as sin though.
bricabracwizard says: Oct 18, 2011. 1:07 PM
True, but then it doesn't have the depth of cut that you can get with a saw table and it's a darn sight more expensive. But it does have it's uses in a well equiped workshop!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 3:24 PM
A lot of shop band saws cut to 14 inches. I've seen circular saw blades that can cut deeper than that, but not outside of sawmills. My table saw can cut to 3 and a half inches. I'm not too wild about doing it all on one pass usually either.
DisplacedMic says: Oct 16, 2011. 9:34 AM
Also - out of curiosity, how do you seal up your boxes when you're done? Do you just use gorilla glue or do you also use fasteners?
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 1:11 PM
I use yellow wood glue. Dry it is stronger than wood itself. I like some Elmers, their Probond is nice or Titebond 2 Gorilla glue is that the foamy glue isn't it? If it is I don't really care for it. It makes a real mess and I don't find it to be as strong as yellow glues. The foamy glue doesn't store very well either. When I had it it was always going bad on me.
bricabracwizard says: Oct 17, 2011. 8:50 PM
I totally agree! It also expands out of the joint and then you have to clean that up!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 3:41 AM
I was never too keen on scraping the foam myself. I think the newer yellow glues are higher performance too. Maybe the foamy glue made them up their game?
bricabracwizard says: Oct 18, 2011. 5:14 AM
We can only hope!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 7:39 AM
I'm pretty sure the newer yellow wood glue is better than the older stuff was. It looks a little darker to me. Maybe they're just not thinning it down so much?
bricabracwizard says: Oct 18, 2011. 1:03 PM
I'm not willing to try it as the last one was soooo messy! That's also assuming the new one is improved or different in some way. Let me know if you use it. it's not cheap either!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 1:32 PM
Yellow carpenter's wood glue? I guess nothing is cheap today.
DisplacedMic says: Oct 18, 2011. 1:18 PM
I don't really mind a little bit of seepage - i sand and stain anyway so it's no big deal
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 3:21 PM
A little bit? I don't think we're using the same product.
DisplacedMic says: Oct 18, 2011. 4:09 PM
Ha - maybe not!
DisplacedMic says: Oct 16, 2011. 8:55 PM
I see - thanks for your replies!
SWV1787 says: Oct 12, 2011. 6:30 AM
Very nice instructable I have been playing around with different table saw jigs and I can't wait to do this one now that I have a dado blade set up
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 12, 2011. 8:56 AM
Thanks. Like I tried to say in my article if you make the jig right, and use it the right way, this is dead simple to do. I think the hardest part is staying awake while you're going back and forth, back and forth, cutting out all the notches.

People think you're a master craftsman if they see you made boxes with box joints. Most mistake these for dovetails. I'm thinking about writing an article about doing dovetails next.

Just so long as I don't tell people to do it like this:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8479/sb006.jpg

I was making a bunch of boxes that day and got that one a little mixed up. I was wondering why I was having such a time with it! I still think it is funny I didn't even realize my mistake until I was done.
bricabracwizard says: Oct 17, 2011. 9:14 PM
At least it looks hand done! I would love to know how you can mechanise dove tails with a saw table - I thought that could only be done with a router.
SWV1787 says: Oct 18, 2011. 5:44 AM
check out this link and it has multiple dovetail table saw jigs but it only eliminates about half of the "Handwork"
http://www.toolcrib.com/blog/2010/04/7-table-saw-dovetail-jigs-plans-methods-and-videos
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 7:52 AM
I like to make my tails first then cut my pins. That table saw jig looks like it cuts the pins. It is said the order you cut tails and pins is personal preference, but I've already made mine.

To me fitting pins into sockets just makes more sense than making pins then trying to make sockets that fit around them.

I have one of those router dovetail jigs but I don't like it. Even when it is all setup I don't like the finished joint.
bricabracwizard says: Oct 18, 2011. 7:25 AM
Thanks for that, I've learnt something new!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 18, 2011. 3:46 AM
Those dovetail joints are hand done. I need to write an article about how I do mine. Maybe a series of articles. It is pretty involved.
Pilgrimm says: Oct 16, 2011. 9:20 PM
Many thanks! Excellent 'Ible'. This is the clearest explanation of how to put together the jig for cutting box joints I've ever come across! Great Job!
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 10:43 PM
Hey thanks! I've seen a few ways described doing this myself. I'm always looking for the easiest way.
TimmyMiller says: Oct 16, 2011. 2:33 PM
like this
wood joint that i want.bmp
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 4:55 PM
When wood is finger jointed like that the fingers are usually longer and tapered too. Moulding is often done like that commercially. Go to a home center and look at their unfinished moulding they sell and you should see the joint done a lot.
TimmyMiller says: Oct 16, 2011. 2:25 PM
i would like to know how to joint 2 peices of wood, but instead of it being at an angle, it would be straight.... basicly i want to join 2 peices of wood length wise.
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 4:52 PM
I've used rabbets to do that. Like half laps. Scarf joints look a little neater. I don't know if they are quite as strong though.
ed.alexander says: Oct 16, 2011. 12:24 PM
Great job! When I saw it, I was instantly reminded of this: If you don't have a table saw and dado blade, try using a table mounted router.

The local PBS channel had these woodworking guys that did everything with a router. I recall how easy this was (or they made it look easy)

http://www.routerworkshop.com/boxjoints.html
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 1:29 PM
I guess. I have some routers but to do this circular saw blades are where it is at. Professional setups use gang saws and cut all the joints in one shot. No back and forth for them!
DisplacedMic says: Oct 16, 2011. 8:55 AM
Outstanding! Thanks for posting this. I would love to see a video some day if you're ever up to it :-)

great job
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 16, 2011. 11:53 AM
Thanks! I don't have a video camera so I use my regular camera and that limits me to about 30 seconds of low resolution video. This process if pretty fast but if I tried to do it that fast I'd cut off a finger!
Bendang59 says: Oct 14, 2011. 9:08 PM
nice! this is make a bunch of boxes that day and got that one a little mixed up
http://www.baidu.com
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 14, 2011. 10:38 PM
Was a different day. I cut dovetails by hand.
kenbob says: Oct 13, 2011. 8:00 AM
I like it! Excellent instructable and beautiful results. Almost makes me want to change my id to kenbob2 in solidarity;)
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 13, 2011. 9:00 AM
Thanks for the support!

Box finger joints just look good on boxes. I've made rabbeted boxes and I think that is harder to do. It doesn't look nearly as good either. I have a new blade now and a new table saw but I still haven't completely set it all up yet.  I need to make a throat plate for the dado blade etc. I am excited to try my old method out with my new tools.

Although if I was desperate for a box I still have my old saw and blade still. I'm hoping my new saw and blade will cut cleaner with less tear out. The back piece of a stack can get a little beat up. Stacking the sides keeps the other pieces from tearing out at all though. Which is nice.

I wish I could get my old account back :( But that was a hectic time and I have no idea what I did with the password. I can't even get it emailed to me because my email address is different today.

My new saw at my new place: (I paid $20 for it at a garage sale)

http://i.imgur.com/01rFH.jpg

I plan on writing an article about how I made the fence for it. Although the saw did come with its original fence when I got it. Before you get too jealous and start hating me this is how I got that saw:

http://i.imgur.com/jjOer.jpg

It was still a great deal I know, but it was a diamond in the rough. That is one of my other great passions, fixing up old messed up tools. You should see the job I just did in an old pair of vise grips I bought at a flea market. Even I think I went a bit beyond on that one. But I digress.
kenbob says: Oct 13, 2011. 4:15 PM
I like it.
on the tear out issue, since the last board seems to tear out, could you add an extra ( scrap) board to the stack as the last board?
pfred2 (author) says: Oct 13, 2011. 6:23 PM
You could but I'm an artist with wood putty or just slob more glue on it and rub some sawdust in. Usually I sand the fingers down with a belt sander when the glue is still wet that does it too. Some woods bad chunks get knocked out and it shows though. Oak is a big offender.

I've thought about pre-scoring the last board with a knife, that'd stop it from happening.

Cutting a 4 stack is already pretty bad, I'd hate to throw a waster piece in there too. Plus wasting a piece of wood for every box would add up. I think a big issue was I was using a cheap wobble blade, I have a nice chipper now that I'm hoping cuts a lot cleaner.
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