How to Make a Spot Welder - for Cheap!!

 by The King of Random
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Step 1: You Might Be Surprised How Cheap It Can Be

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Have you seen the video above?  If not, take a look now because it will help you as you go along in this instructable. 

A typical resistance Spot-Welder can range in price from about $200-$800, but with a little resourcefulness, and a bit of free time, you can make one like this for about $10 or less.

Spot welders are used to fuse thin sheets of metal together.  They are most likely used in the auto industry, as well as HVAC for welding metal ducting.  

There are a couple of videos you should see before starting on this project, because you may want some background on how the device works.

Here is how to: Make The Metal Melter

Here is what it can do:  The Metal Melter
GraphixS6 says: Jun 1, 2013. 10:13 PM
Do you know any place that you can reliably get dead microwaves. It seems my neighbors don't have a habit of just throwing them out.
f.masoni says: Apr 9, 2013. 7:06 AM
I love this project, i want to make one of my own but have a couple of questions.

Where i live the voltage of a power outlet is 220v does this change anything?

Also is it possible to make one that welds two separate spots at once with the same transformer.

Best Regards
calebwang says: Mar 9, 2013. 5:54 PM
I love your project. Your video editing is top notch as well.
The King of Random (author) in reply to calebwangMar 10, 2013. 5:20 PM
Thank you! Thank you!
micahamk says: Mar 9, 2013. 12:03 PM
Hi there. Thanks for this amazing project! I was amazed how easy it was to make. Luckily when I discovered this project, I knew were an old microwave was. I live in a small village in Guyana and most people here don't have microwaves. It was from a small restaurant. I successfully got the transformer out which was a little scary even for a 16 year old. I built a deluxe version of your design with the microwave light and fan incorporated in, along with four switches. My problem was that I didn't have any solid copper rod to use for the contacts. I had a few bronze welding rods so I used a small piece of that, instead. My welder is putting out about 1v. It melts nails and about anything else. I have not gotten it to actually weld. The metal to weld gets red hot but doesn't weld together. Any idea's whats wrong? I would appreciate any help. It's fun to melt metal, but it doesn't weld. Thanks.
The King of Random (author) in reply to micahamkMar 9, 2013. 2:35 PM
Thanks for your comment! I'd love to see a little video of your welder as a video response to my video on YouTube, if you get a chance to do that?

It may help to press the contacts together harder when welding. You may also need more power. (Eg. Bigger transformer)
swolff1234 says: Feb 25, 2013. 3:31 PM
Yes, I am actually a ham. I got my license in Jan. No radio yet, but I have Echolink. I am getting my radio in March. Are you a ham? Thanks for all your help! BTW, the reply feature isn't working for me, I can only post new comments.
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Sam Wolff KK4NVJ
The King of Random (author) in reply to swolff1234Feb 27, 2013. 6:27 PM
Awesome! I did get licensed but haven't ever done anything with it. I'm hoping that one day I can explore that world a little more :)
swolff1234 says: Feb 24, 2013. 5:15 PM
Found it! It was hiding from me..... Lol. Thanks again! Oh, how long does the trasformer last until the insulation on the 4 awg melts?
Best of luck,
Sam

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Sam Wolff
KK4NVJ
The King of Random (author) in reply to swolff1234Feb 24, 2013. 7:48 PM
Hey, are you a Ham by chance?

If you use the transformer in short bursts of 10 seconds or less, you should be able to use it indefinitely. Allow time to cool in-between. You'll be able to tell the wires are starting to melt because they will be smoking. So stop when you see smoke (or before) and it should last forever.
swolff1234 says: Feb 18, 2013. 2:25 PM
Thank you for the quick response. I have asked questions on other instructables on my old account about 3 years ago and still have not received an answer.
Do you remember what hardware store? I went to Home Depot and could not find it.
The King of Random (author) in reply to swolff1234Feb 18, 2013. 5:08 PM
It was Home Depot in the wire cutting area. All the best!
swolff1234 says: Feb 18, 2013. 2:44 PM
I also have a suggestion. When i built mine, I could not find a nail long enough for the pivot point. So I took a coat-hanger sized steel rod, and drilled a hole straight through the box and arm. I then bent the sides of the rod after I had fed the rod through the holes. I then found the nails. I compared the two pivot systems. I was amazed at how well mine worked.
The King of Random (author) in reply to swolff1234Feb 18, 2013. 5:07 PM
Excellent suggestion. Thank you!
swolff1234 says: Feb 17, 2013. 5:24 PM
First off, THANK YOU FOR THIS! I have been looking for something like this forever! Also, I don't have the solid copper wire, but I do have the same sized aluminum wire and I have stranded copper. Can I use the stranded and just twist it? And can i use the aluminum? Lastly, how much is the solid copper wire you are using and where can I get it?
The King of Random (author) in reply to swolff1234Feb 18, 2013. 8:28 AM
Thanks for asking. I got mine at the hardware store. They sell on rolls and you can buy it by the foot. Try to get 4 AWG solid copper wire. It's about $1.00 for 1 foot. The other wires you have can work, but it's going to be less effective.
jockywheel says: Jan 28, 2013. 2:42 AM
great design just check the 2x2 measurment. I have almost finnished mine cant wait to wire it up thanks for the easy to understand plans keep up the good work
The King of Random (author) in reply to jockywheelJan 28, 2013. 8:15 AM
You're welcome! I'm glad to hear you're having fun with your own project, and best of luck with it!
airbox1011 says: Jan 26, 2013. 8:52 PM
in my country it is hard to find solid copper to be used as electrodes, is it possible to use brass instead of copper
The King of Random (author) in reply to airbox1011Jan 27, 2013. 7:55 AM
I imagine those will work, but just not as well. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc, and zinc has a much lower melting point (419.5 C). Copper is 1085 C so you'll probably have problems with your electrodes melting quickly. You can probably use it in small bursts, or find a way to keep the electrodes cool. That should help preserve them longer. Good luck!
airbox1011 says: Jan 26, 2013. 8:46 PM
i've made the spot weld similar to what was shown in the video using an 800 watts mot. my problem is when i tested it by joining two common nails or two galvanized iron wires it didn't joined together, the point of contact just turned into a red glowing and when it cools a white powder is produce.do galvanized iron wires can be spot welded? thanks for your help
Zephyr655 says: Jan 17, 2013. 5:49 PM
I did mean an induction heater. I have heard about the stick welder video you are making (which i know can be used to make a basic arc furnace) and was curious if something similar could be made with this.
jdtrd05 says: Jan 14, 2013. 12:54 PM
hi i made a spot welder the same way you explain is it normal the transformer make a loud noise and it dont melt it only making spark thank you
The King of Random (author) in reply to jdtrd05Jan 14, 2013. 2:14 PM
It is normal to hear a loud buzzing noise. Sparks should not be in the transformer, only on the ends of the cables.

I hope that helps!
jdtrd05 in reply to The King of RandomJan 17, 2013. 2:16 PM
thank you :)
Zephyr655 says: Jan 15, 2013. 3:00 PM
Is it at all possible to make this into some sort of furnace? Thank you.
The King of Random (author) in reply to Zephyr655Jan 16, 2013. 7:57 PM
Are you implying an induction heater? Or a furnace for heat in the winter?
kenk12 says: Jan 13, 2013. 8:26 PM
Great video! Thanks for taking time to record and share.
The King of Random (author) in reply to kenk12Jan 14, 2013. 9:17 AM
You're welcome. Thank you for taking time to appreciate and comment! :)
freazzer1 says: Jan 13, 2013. 10:28 AM
this is awesome!! i voted for you on both entries!!
I'm seriously thinking on making one of this.
The King of Random (author) in reply to freazzer1Jan 13, 2013. 3:29 PM
Thank you very much for your comment, and for your votes!!
Hubiewan says: Jan 11, 2013. 6:33 PM
Didn't see the wire guage of the heavy wire used for the transformer secondary, in the instructable. I'm seriously considering making one of these, with slight modification.
Hubiewan in reply to HubiewanJan 12, 2013. 11:56 AM
Thanks for your reply..............
The King of Random (author) in reply to HubiewanJan 12, 2013. 12:43 PM
You're welcome :)
The King of Random (author) in reply to HubiewanJan 12, 2013. 9:06 AM
It's 2AWG. Thanks for asking!
Energymadandy says: Jan 6, 2013. 4:47 PM
sir you are a genius!!!
thanks for the project,
I watched your videos a few times and got straight to work.
a few things to mention as help to others....
1) use the round holes in the corners of the laminate core to keep the laminates together when dismanling the core. a 6mm threaded rod and 2 bolts does the trick .
2) if you weld up the core when its wound and back together, shield the primary from the welding sparks.
3) one of your followers asked about the secondary coils size, non imp size is 16mm.
excellent project, i made mine in no time flat, i will be using it for every bit of tinkering I do in the future, (always soldered everything)
Thank you thank you thank you
The King of Random (author) in reply to EnergymadandyJan 7, 2013. 9:36 AM
I'm really glad you liked it, and thanks for your feedback. Did you weld your transformer back together? I'd like some info on how you did that?
Energymadandy in reply to The King of RandomJan 7, 2013. 12:21 PM
Jip ,the laminates are welded to begin with.
when i deconstructed the core, the laminates came unstuck so i used the threaded rod through the alignment holes in the corners to keep the whole lot together. so when it came to construction i had everything square. Clamped the whole lot in the bench vice and used my ac arc welder. Its an old brute and i cant get the amps low enough so using a 2mm rod burnt the core a bit. rather went for a 3mm which lowered the amps. i merely welded along the grinding wheel lines.
the spot welder, (or metal melter as it is now coz i got too inquisitive before finishing the welder) works great.

PS, on the subject of the old oil bath ac welder.
i want to start a bit of TIG welding and wondered if this would work....can i use a diode bridge rectifier to convert my ac arc welder into a dc welder and create a tig set up?????
here's where i saw it, http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/homemade-tig-welder.html can you shed any light on it for me?
thanks once again.
The King of Random (author) in reply to EnergymadandyJan 7, 2013. 2:25 PM
Thanks for the link.

I'm curious to know what you mean by the oil bath ac welder? I've actually been thinking about putting a transformer in an oil bath to help with the duty cycle on my stick welder.

Are there actually ac welders that do that?

Thanks for the updates on doing your weld on the transformer core. I'll have to give that a try.

As for rectifying the current, of course you can rectify the current, as long as you find diodes rated for that amount of current and heat sinks to help dissipate all the heat generated.

Thanks again for your feedback, comments, and best of luck!
Energymadandy in reply to The King of RandomJan 7, 2013. 8:26 PM
Hi again,
Jip the old oil bath welders use transformer oil to cool the windings.
I say old but they are still available (and produced in the thousands)
They are rather heavy so are mainly used at small factories or home. I just find that the welding current can't be set low enough for thin material.
DC inverters have taken over, being light and portable.

I notice on the video (welding tips and tricks) that the heat sinks are large aluminium channels that the diode bridge is built on. this should dissipate the heat accordingly, I would just use a lot more vanes when i build one.
another thing to think about (hint hint hint) is a way to reduce the welding amperage, so when using the TIG set up, i can weld very thin material.
I'm about to start building a chopper that has no transmission, or chain, belt or shaft drive...... so will be fabricating gas tanks, oil accumulators, etc. and need low amps for that. watch this space....
Just want to thank you again, magic talking to like-minded inventors.

The King of Random (author) in reply to EnergymadandyJan 8, 2013. 6:40 PM
I'm working on ideas to adjust amperage as well. Aside from buying an expensive variac.

I enjoy your comments. I don't have much experience welding personally, so I pick up ideas from your suggestions :)
Energymadandy in reply to The King of RandomJan 8, 2013. 8:31 PM
Hi again,
I spoke to a few people about the bridge rectifier, heat sink and reducing the amperage. seems like the solution is a potentiometer, (or POT as its referred to) this will allow us to reduce or increase the amps on demand for each job.
I'll check it out and tell you.
keep inventing....... its a human thing!
The King of Random (author) in reply to EnergymadandyJan 8, 2013. 9:15 PM
A Pot will work for DC current. I don't believe it works for AC. For that you need an inductive ballast or choke. I'm interested to hear what you learn. Thanks for the updates!
Energymadandy in reply to The King of RandomJan 9, 2013. 8:23 PM
Jip, you're right, the POT will only be installed to bring the amps down AFTER the diode bridge, so i will be using it on the dc current.
Keep on keeping on.....
Energymadandy says: Jan 6, 2013. 5:31 PM
one other thing...
the whole thing gets a bit hot, will air cooling with a fan help?
The King of Random (author) in reply to EnergymadandyJan 7, 2013. 9:30 AM
Is it the cables that get hot, or the transformer as well? Cooling fans will help, but I don't think they are necessary.
Energymadandy in reply to The King of RandomJan 7, 2013. 11:57 AM
its the cables. I see that industrial ones have a water cooling system
Energymadandy says: Jan 6, 2013. 4:50 PM
er that was a 6mm rod and 2 NUTS, does the trick
cketterer says: Jan 2, 2013. 7:40 PM
hi,
i've just two questions :
which kind of cable section do you use for the new secondary ?
Is this the same kind of cable section for the secondary with a primary of a french transformer in 230V ac ?

I have a 25mm2 cable.

thanks a lot.
The King of Random (author) in reply to ckettererJan 3, 2013. 9:13 AM
Thanks for your question. I'm not sure I fully understand what you're asking, but I used a 5 foot length of 2 AWG (American Wire Gauge) wire for the secondary.
cketterer says: Jan 2, 2013. 7:41 PM
hi,
i've just two questions :
which kind of cable section do you use for the new secondary ?
Is this the same kind of cable section for the secondary with a primary of a french transformer in 230V ac ?

I have a 25mm2 cable.

thanks a lot.
oz93666 says: Dec 24, 2012. 12:58 AM
Very professional !!! The other way to go is a 3000F 2,7v super capacitor charged up by a small battery , light and portable , but only good for quick pulses, not the sustained melting power of a mains transformer....
The King of Random (author) in reply to oz93666Dec 30, 2012. 2:05 PM
Do you know where to get a good deal on one?
oz93666 in reply to The King of RandomDec 31, 2012. 10:01 PM
hard to get a good deal on these ...I buy everything on Ebay , at the moment they're ,expensive, about $50 , I bought a dozen (Maxwell, not new) a year ago $25 each
The King of Random (author) in reply to oz93666Jan 1, 2013. 8:12 AM
Thanks for your quick reply!
dsandds2003 says: Dec 31, 2012. 8:16 PM
I used to use carbon arc rods on the spotlight from school in the 70's.
The King of Random (author) in reply to dsandds2003Jan 1, 2013. 8:12 AM
Nice! I've been thinking about doing a project on carbon arc lighting as well! Any helpful hints you have are appreciated! :)
tmn8tr says: Dec 23, 2012. 11:25 AM
What about Carbon rods from AA/AAA batteries instead of copper rod? The only problem I've had is that they need to be slightly moistened to conduct current.
Gordyh in reply to tmn8trDec 24, 2012. 5:54 AM
I used to do carbon arc cutting with copper clad 1/4 inch round carbon rods. I can tell you that these were fragile, the ones from the batteries would be more fragile since they don't have the cladding on them, and are probably smaller in diameter.
The King of Random (author) in reply to GordyhDec 30, 2012. 1:57 PM
Carbon arc cutting? I'm interested .. what do you cut with it, and do you have more info I can look into?
Gordyh in reply to The King of RandomDec 30, 2012. 5:46 PM
It's been 30 years since I did any of it. Carbon arc cutting is very old school tech, pretty much went by the side when modern small 90 degree angle grinders and cutoff wheels came out ;-) We used it for cutting out welds from pieces we wanted to salvage.

A hand held torch holds 2 carbon rods, about 2" apart at the torch and angled so that the rod tips just about touch. The torch also has a air nozzle in it hooked to an air compressor. The rods are +/- so the arc is between the rods and not between the rods and the work piece. You touch the work piece with both rods just to complete the circuit and get the arc started. Hold the rod tips and arc close to the work piece. When a molten puddle forms pull the trigger to give it a shot of air , this will blow the molten metal out of the way. Once started you can keep cutting, like with a oxy/ acct. torch. As the rods burn away you need to loosen the thumb screws that hold the rods in place and move the rods to close the gap back to the starting point. A good operator could remove the weld with little or no damage to the parts being separated. It's loud and very dirty also as I remember.
The King of Random (author) in reply to GordyhDec 31, 2012. 7:27 AM
Wow, great description. I'd never heard of that but see how it could work! Thanks for the details Gordyh!
Gordyh in reply to The King of RandomDec 31, 2012. 9:32 AM
A memory popped into my head this mourning as I woke up ;-) I was told that lacking other cutting devices you can use a copper clad carbon rod in a stick welder to make a cut. I have not had the carbon rod on hand, but have used regular welding rods to make a cut. Simply make small forward and back motion along the line you want to cut with the rod/arc and the molten metal drops away as you go. As I mentioned before very dirty as the carbon burns away into very fine black soot in the smoke and settles on every thing.
tmn8tr in reply to GordyhDec 24, 2012. 7:44 AM
Good point, I didn't think of that!
tmn8tr in reply to GordyhDec 24, 2012. 7:44 AM
Good point, I didn't think of that!
Gordyh says: Dec 24, 2012. 8:36 AM
I already have a factory built spot welder like you have pictured. But I will build one like yours as it will be more portable, because it won't require a dedicated high Amp circuit to run on.

Thank You,
Gordy
The King of Random (author) in reply to GordyhDec 30, 2012. 1:56 PM
Good to know Gordy! I'd be interested to hear how the two compare as I haven't had any experience with the real deal :)
Gordyh in reply to The King of RandomDec 30, 2012. 6:10 PM
From your video yours is 3 to 4 times slower. But that does not matter cause your not aiming for factory production levels ;-) Yours also turns a lager area red with heat. The factory one might have a capacitor in it or just higher output voltage, I don't know which or both.
The King of Random (author) in reply to GordyhDec 31, 2012. 7:25 AM
Thanks for your quick reply!
eyesee says: Dec 20, 2012. 4:20 PM
good
The King of Random (author) in reply to eyeseeDec 30, 2012. 2:17 PM
:)
dozer789 says: Dec 20, 2012. 4:13 PM
Wow! Very nice project, Good luck in the contest, your work might pay off!
The King of Random (author) in reply to dozer789Dec 30, 2012. 2:17 PM
Thanks! :D
doodlecraft says: Dec 20, 2012. 1:31 PM
Wow Awesome! I will have to show Mike this! :) Thanks for sharing your awesomeness! :)
The King of Random (author) in reply to doodlecraftDec 30, 2012. 2:17 PM
Thank you very much Natalie!!
rimar2000 says: Dec 20, 2012. 7:00 PM
All your instructables are genial.
The King of Random (author) in reply to rimar2000Dec 30, 2012. 2:16 PM
Thank you sir!
ray74 says: Dec 20, 2012. 8:20 PM
Very cool
The King of Random (author) in reply to ray74Dec 30, 2012. 2:15 PM
Thanks
fretted says: Dec 20, 2012. 10:36 PM
BTW that was a pretty good goat do you do other animals as well ?

LOL
The King of Random (author) in reply to frettedDec 30, 2012. 2:15 PM
Hahaha no
Macflame says: Dec 21, 2012. 4:49 AM
Excellent instructions as usual. Great project.
The King of Random (author) in reply to MacflameDec 30, 2012. 2:15 PM
Thanks!
Bobblehead Einstein says: Dec 21, 2012. 6:52 AM
That reaction when i first saw one of your project's on YouTube , the project's keep getting better and better , can't wait for your next upload :D
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The King of Random (author) in reply to Bobblehead EinsteinDec 30, 2012. 2:15 PM
lol that's awesome :)
friger says: Dec 22, 2012. 3:09 AM
Thank you for this awesome Instructable! I just happen to have an old micro wave and a week off, this is going to happen.
The King of Random (author) in reply to frigerDec 30, 2012. 2:15 PM
Perfect! Thanks for your compliment!
ceanes says: Dec 23, 2012. 7:12 AM
awesome thanks for posting
The King of Random (author) in reply to ceanesDec 30, 2012. 2:15 PM
You're very welcome :)
tjk1939 says: Dec 23, 2012. 7:31 AM
First class ible, I'm on the lookout for a microwave. This is a must do project.
The King of Random (author) in reply to tjk1939Dec 30, 2012. 2:15 PM
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks!
mdeblasi1 says: Dec 23, 2012. 8:48 AM
Now THAT is an instructable!!!
The King of Random (author) in reply to mdeblasi1Dec 30, 2012. 2:14 PM
Thank you :)
he who crashes often says: Dec 23, 2012. 10:18 AM
=D my grandma just broke her microwave =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =) =)
The King of Random (author) in reply to he who crashes oftenDec 30, 2012. 2:14 PM
Hahaha
Hanzo says: Dec 23, 2012. 11:07 AM
Nicely explained - Love it. Thanks.
The King of Random (author) in reply to HanzoDec 30, 2012. 2:14 PM
I appreciate your feedback. Thank you!
paulomurteira says: Dec 23, 2012. 11:51 AM
Very nice video, Thanks for sharing!
The King of Random (author) in reply to paulomurteiraDec 30, 2012. 2:14 PM
You're very welcome!
Nutters says: Dec 23, 2012. 12:16 PM
Nice work and great instructions.
Apart from an alternative choice of materials used (wood), one thing that I would add to your project is a fuse for your mains in.
This will give you and your home some protection against an electrical fault and may prevent an electrical fire.
Definately an ideas man!
The King of Random (author) in reply to NuttersDec 30, 2012. 2:14 PM
It's a good suggestion! Thank you!
ngadhno says: Dec 23, 2012. 1:38 PM
Well done. I'll say this is the best guide for a spot welder with short and clear instructions and whith HD photos and video. Great job.
The King of Random (author) in reply to ngadhnoDec 30, 2012. 2:13 PM
Thanks! I'm glad you appreciate the work that went into it :)
rikkiesix says: Dec 23, 2012. 1:49 PM
Amazingly cool stuff and a really great instructable
Greetings from Belgium
Erik
The King of Random (author) in reply to rikkiesixDec 30, 2012. 2:13 PM
Thank you Erik from Belgium!
aw1929 says: Dec 23, 2012. 3:51 PM
Hi Grant!

Interesting project and really useful. I am wondering if you wound the transformer yourself or if it is an existing unit? I'd like to know what the voltage and current are for each half (that is, I understand the primary is 120V AC house current) but it isn't clear what the secondary is doing. If it's an 800 A. secondary current, that implies that the voltage is quite low and the number of turns on the secondary small and using large gauge wire as well.

As the standard 20A., 120V AC circuit (outlet) is restricted to about 13A (about 1600W) of power for safety reasons, that would imply that in order to have 800A available at the electrodes on the welder side the secondary needs to be about 2 Volts. (The power at each side of the transformer must be the same because you can't get something for nothing, don'tchaknow).

Please understand I am not taking issue with you about any of this...I am a consulting engineer in the radio business, and I just have this penchant for understanding the nature of the beast. I also restore old airplanes and a spot welder would be really useful in that respect!

Anyway, it's a really cool project and I plan to build one!

Thanks a lot!

---Michael
The King of Random (author) in reply to aw1929Dec 30, 2012. 2:08 PM
Your calculations match mine Michael! And the power assumptions match my measurements! It sounds like you've got the beast figured out! :)
paiwayne says: Dec 23, 2012. 6:11 PM
Wa-wu! I like it. I wish that I can make one.
The King of Random (author) in reply to paiwayneDec 30, 2012. 2:06 PM
:D
bekk22 says: Dec 23, 2012. 6:54 PM
Awesome Dude !!!
The King of Random (author) in reply to bekk22Dec 30, 2012. 2:06 PM
Thank you!
robbadooz says: Dec 23, 2012. 7:09 PM
SWEET!
The King of Random (author) in reply to robbadoozDec 30, 2012. 2:06 PM
Thanks!
jalsene says: Dec 23, 2012. 9:15 PM
Way cool! I knew I was saving that old microwave for something.
The King of Random (author) in reply to jalseneDec 30, 2012. 2:06 PM
Awesome :D
danielcha says: Dec 24, 2012. 12:42 AM
Would this spot welder be ok to perform spot welds on rechargeable batteries?

I was trying to get a spot welder to perhaps rebuild my 18v power tool battery packs.

Thanks for such a great instructable.
The King of Random (author) in reply to danielchaDec 30, 2012. 2:05 PM
I haven't tried, but I don't see why it wouldn't?
TheGreatO says: Dec 24, 2012. 4:38 AM
This is an incredible instructable and a great video. I have a couple os questions which are probably very obvious, but how dangerous is the project to construct (provided of course that you dont make any stupid wiring errors) given that it involves high currents, and how come you are able to hold the objects that you are welding without getting shocked? Is it simply that the electrodes are so much lower resistance than your body that all the current flows through them and doesnt ground through you?
Many thanks
Theo
The King of Random (author) in reply to TheGreatODec 30, 2012. 1:59 PM
Thanks for your compliment! If you're familiar and experienced with electricity and DIY projects, it should be fairly simple and safe. The electricity didn't hurt be because the voltage was too low to get to my heart.
skrieger says: Dec 24, 2012. 5:12 AM
Very Nice and very well done. I will have one by the weekend thank you
The King of Random (author) in reply to skriegerDec 30, 2012. 1:58 PM
Awesome! Did you get it done? .. I'd love to see a video response to my YouTube video.
Comanchegyrl says: Dec 23, 2012. 4:26 PM
Cool project! Dumb question: Do you need welding goggles or other equipment to use this safely?
Gordyh in reply to ComanchegyrlDec 24, 2012. 9:33 AM
Good question, These do not produce the high intensity light like a stick or wire feed welder, so no you do not need dark tinted welding goggles. That said DO wear safety glasses!!! Contaminates between the 3 contact points can and will shoot out when heated enough to make the weld.

Gordy
The King of Random (author) in reply to GordyhDec 30, 2012. 1:55 PM
Thanks for your comment!
Nazih says: Dec 25, 2012. 1:20 AM
Hi there, very nice video and clear instructions. I have built a similar unit, more or less with same components however I am not getting enough heat to melt 1mm metal sheets together. I used and old microwave transformer and an one coil of a thick electric welding wire. What would the cause of this low heat be?
The King of Random (author) in reply to NazihDec 30, 2012. 1:55 PM
How many turns of wire did you put on your secondary coil?
mrsayao says: Dec 24, 2012. 9:06 AM
Will this trip a typical breaker circuit? 15-20A?
The King of Random (author) in reply to mrsayaoDec 30, 2012. 1:54 PM
No it shouldn't
UniBot in reply to mrsayaoDec 25, 2012. 8:33 AM
it shouldn't, it has the same consumption of a microwave oven.
The King of Random (author) in reply to UniBotDec 30, 2012. 1:54 PM
Exactly!
Val-S says: Dec 23, 2012. 9:24 AM
Using wood parts in welder is not the best idea. Ask any fireman...
wolfgang64 in reply to Val-SDec 27, 2012. 5:12 PM
Sir I guess I disagree. Wood is much safer for the user especially a good hardwood. I come to the table with 30 + years experience and a degree in welding. This is a good amiture solution I would not want to use it to make my living everyday but for weekend projects it is a great solution.
The King of Random (author) in reply to wolfgang64Dec 30, 2012. 1:54 PM
Thank you for your comment!!
Gordyh in reply to Val-SDec 24, 2012. 9:10 AM
Actually it has been done and work's. I have a very old (antique) Gambles Store stick welder that I use quite often. It has rough sawn 2x6's in it for the main frame.

Gordy
goldenshuttle says: Dec 27, 2012. 9:05 PM
very smart. Not the idea only but the way you simplify the subject also...great job.
The King of Random (author) in reply to goldenshuttleDec 30, 2012. 1:51 PM
Thank you very much!
ironwind says: Dec 29, 2012. 3:25 PM
well done! thanks!
The King of Random (author) in reply to ironwindDec 29, 2012. 5:48 PM
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks!
Fake_Name says: Dec 23, 2012. 6:22 AM
Please stop calling the transformer a metal melter. It's a transformer. Melting metal may be something it does, but it's not what it is.

Calling it anything else makes you sound silly.
The King of Random (author) in reply to Fake_NameDec 28, 2012. 9:13 AM
It is the Metal melter from a previous project
Fake_Name in reply to The King of RandomDec 29, 2012. 12:42 AM
No, it's the transformer that you *used* to make something that melts metal in a previous project.

I'm sorry, but you don't get to rename electronic components just because you thing it sounds cool.
The King of Random (author) in reply to Fake_NameDec 29, 2012. 1:10 PM
I find your username interesting for someone who is so seemingly concerned about using proper terms.

Apparently this is a real concern for you, and I'm sorry you're finding a way to be offended by my article, when none was intended.
wolfgang64 in reply to Fake_NameDec 27, 2012. 6:36 PM
When you are new to a concept you work with the vocabulary you have. I think Grant does a wonderful job. Remember not all of us are purists. I know much of the time I am exploring outside of my field.
Fake_Name in reply to wolfgang64Dec 27, 2012. 7:24 PM
When you're at the point that you're writing a whole how-to article about something, you're not "new" to a concept.

Furthermore, if you do want to explore outside your own field, you don't just *make up* terms for things that already have names, you *ask* what the things are called. That's how you learn.
odiekokee in reply to Fake_NameDec 23, 2012. 1:21 PM
I think he's referring to a previous project that used the MOT.
The King of Random (author) in reply to odiekokeeDec 28, 2012. 9:14 AM
Yes you are right. Thanks for your support!
Fake_Name in reply to odiekokeeDec 27, 2012. 7:25 PM
"Measuring the base of my Metal Melter, I found it was about 4-1/4"."

Sure doesn't sound like he's referring to a whole apparatus, rather then just the transformer.
arsha72128 in reply to Fake_NameDec 29, 2012. 7:36 PM
I have no problem with the term metal melter.
The King of Random (author) in reply to arsha72128Dec 30, 2012. 8:15 AM
Thank you :)
arsha72128 in reply to The King of RandomJan 1, 2013. 8:50 PM
By the way I really enjoy all your videos. I would like to make some rings that you have created such as the candy launcher.
The King of Random (author) in reply to arsha72128Jan 1, 2013. 9:07 PM
Thank you again, and I wish you luck with your projects!
crankyjew says: Dec 20, 2012. 2:09 PM
Really nice instructions. I wonder how tungsten would work for those electrodes? Pricey, but it probably last much longer...
wolfgang64 in reply to crankyjewDec 27, 2012. 7:03 PM
Guys a quick word of caution. Tungsten electrodes are mildly radio active and when you grind them the dust is very fine and get's everywhere. For mild steel it's overkill and nobody need's the extra rads but if your working with stainless steel it's the only way to fly. Remember cleanlyness with this stuff,is the best way to a long life.
Fake_Name in reply to wolfgang64Dec 27, 2012. 7:29 PM
This is only true for thoriated tungsten electrodes.

You can get a whole variety of tungsten types:
Thoriated - Which is indeed mildly radioactive
Lanthanated - Non-radioactive, probably not too healthy.
Ceriated - Same as Lanthanated.
Zirconiated - Ditto
Pure Tungsten - Probably the best option here.

Realistically, you really don't want to use tungsten electrodes, as their resistance will be significantly more then similarly sized copper electrodes. If you look into production spot-welders, they all use copper electrodes, and just cool the tips to prevent damage.

jjlamberth in reply to crankyjewDec 24, 2012. 8:27 AM
What about the core of a "D" size flashlight battery. I witnessed an automotive electronic tech use one to solder on a battery cable end for my Kenworth. Got dead "D" size batteries laying around the house? Cost Zero $0.00 since they already gave their life.
The King of Random (author) in reply to jjlamberthDec 30, 2012. 1:52 PM
Is the core a carbon rod?
jwzumwalt in reply to jjlamberthDec 26, 2012. 6:44 AM
I used the carbon rods of batteries to create a glass cutter circuit about 40years ago. The problem I had was that the carbon is very brittle and kept breaking on me. It just wont hold together for more than a couple tries.
The King of Random (author) in reply to jwzumwaltDec 30, 2012. 1:52 PM
That sounds interesting. How does the glass cutter work?
VadimS in reply to crankyjewDec 20, 2012. 6:25 PM
Pretty cheap actually, just get some tungsten electrodes for a tig welder, about $20.
Nevala says: Dec 21, 2012. 4:19 PM
Very cool! Please be careful when welding galvanized items (the washers looked galvanized in the video to me). Galvanized metal, when welded, produces toxic fumes.
wolfgang64 in reply to NevalaDec 27, 2012. 5:33 PM
Nevala is right Folks please be careful with galvanized material. Breathing Zinc oxide is very bad for you. Next it weakens the joint significantly(two disimalar metals) and you always need good ventalation for this kind of work.
wwaldok says: Dec 23, 2012. 1:59 PM
Right, Fake_name! For sure there!
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