How to Make a small Gas Furnace

How to Make a small Gas Furnace
Why is it that all the things i make involving heat are small?
There's the coal forge, that was fairly diminutive, but i digress.
by-tor the snow dog asked me if the coal forge got hot enough to do glasswork. ( http://www.instructables.com/id/EG8B14NNJJEYMW0DC9/#CEXLBVSRGSWEZ7BDCQJ ) Basically, it does, but i wouldn't recommend it, because the hot coals will stick to the glass ans it'd be manky, so i decided to make a clean, hot-burning furnace using what i had lying around.
 
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The first step is, as always, get the things you'll need.
I used the Refractory glop i sued for the coal forge -i'll keep using this until i find something better, IF i find something better- and a can. The can should hold about half a kilo and, even with the refractory taking up some of the space my torch was still struglling to heat all of it up, so if you want a bigger hotspot, you'll need a bigger can,obviously, and more torches for the heat, but that presents some new problems because you don't want the torches to overheat one another. This can held 540 grams of grapefruit. Because the can has to be emptied first, choose something you'd like to eat. If it's beans, work outside.
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Apr 21, 2007. 9:36 AMJohn Smith says:
Can you use Mapp gas in this?
Apr 21, 2007. 12:05 PMJohn Smith says:
Actually,now that I checked, Mapp gas is WAY more expensive. Propane sells for $4 at my local hardware store, but Mapp gas sells for almost $13.
Dec 24, 2007. 2:03 PMafcbasser says:
wow, propane's expensive where you live!
Jun 6, 2008. 1:58 PMthoraxe says:
dude, to refill one of those big sit down propane tanks they use on stoves and such costs 18 dollars to refill
Jun 7, 2008. 9:19 AMJohn Smith says:
Depends on where you live, and how big the tank is. I think its around $21USD here(south florida), for a 20lb tank. You're talking about the disposable ones, right? Wow. I'd reccommend looking up torches using the barbeque tanks. I can point you guys in the right direction, just let me know. And, for an update, i got a mapp torch. Its awesome, it brazes great. And that price for MAPP was only at our local store. A Home Depot was just built a month or so ago here, and now that i checked, they run about a dollar more than an equivalently sized container of propane.
Dec 26, 2007. 3:41 PMJohn Smith says:
Holy crap! I just got some Kaowool and ITC-100 for Christmas, and it works GREAT! I would recommend switching to it.
Dec 26, 2007. 3:43 PMJohn Smith says:
Oh, and when I made my castable refractory forge, I used a PVC pipe for the inner form. Works wonders and looks great!
Apr 21, 2007. 8:26 PMJohn Smith says:
I'm not sure how much the cans hold, but they are the same size.
Mar 21, 2007. 3:41 PMlemonie says:
This looks good, a mains gas supply and you're there. Could you give us some specifics on sand and clay? Are you digging this out of the ground, or is this e.g. potter's clay? Sharp / concreting / acid-washed / KD sand, or does it not matter?
Jun 22, 2007. 8:12 PMJohn Smith says:
I just made some refractory myself, but in this formula, it's easier to find the materials.
It was based on this, but a little simpler. You'll need Perlite (availible in the gardening section, DON"T get vermiculite), silica sand (plain, clean sand, often sold as playbox sand), portland cement (sold in big bags at some hardware stores, outside. You will probably need help because an average bag weighs 90-something pounds), and bentonite (cheap kitty litter, oil absorbing clay, etc., it doesn't need to be powdered, although that would be better.).

Combine one part perlite, one part silica sand, and one part bentonite.
mix well and add a small amount of water, just enough to make it moist. let this sit for 30 minutes, mix again, add a little more water, and let it sit for 45 minutes. Now add one part portland cement, and mix more water in. You are looking for a moist/wet crumbly-ish texture. Grab some in your hand, and squeeze. If it holds well, then you're done. If it is too crumbly, add more water and test again. Remember, it is not supposed to be as wet as normal concrete, so don't add that much water.
This is like all concretes with portland cements, it hardens by a chemical reaction (hydration), so adding more water will not keep it soft forever, so mold extra into bricks or plinth blocks (they hold the crucible up in gas foundrys; look at the bottom of the page).
In order for it to turn out pretty, and work well, you need to ram the refractory. I used a small dowel. First, make your bottom layer, then center a pvc pipe in the can, standing up. This will form the interior space. Ram the material in layer, ramming 2 or 3 layers, and then compacting it hard, repeating until you're done.
I used a 2" pvc pipe, and left about 1/2 to 3/4" on each side( I was using a small coffee can). When I was done, I waited 5 minutes, then pulled out the pipe with pliers.
I forgot to say that you need to ram with the pipe (the one going to the propane) in when you ram the material so it will leave a hole. So do that.

I've found it to be an easy formula, although you need to start the torch on low and run it for about 15 minutes to drive off any moisture left from before, before you crank it up to operationg temps. This only needs to be done once.

Today I was able to melt some aluminum, using it vertically.My crucible was a small steel match holder that I- I mean my friend, actually broke. My only power source was a regular propane tank.I I might post pics if I get around to it. I poured it into a small ingot, using small channel iron (actually steel).

I'm thinking of making an instructable on the refractory, small forge, and a helium tank foundry. The foundry is the only one not completed.

Also, I found that when measuring out the materials, using a plastic cup is a good way of measuring. I each part is +3/4 of a plastic cup, then you'll have just enough to complete the forge (in my case). Don't cut it short!

I hope you appreciate this because it took me a long time to write this comment (I type slow).
Dec 29, 2011. 12:48 PMredhawk44 says:
Perlite is Glass and melts at the same temperature as glass.

Vermiculite is a superior product for making firebrick refreactory.
Jun 23, 2008. 10:42 AM1010tbone says:
John Smith...is the portland cement 1 part to the 3 parts combined of the perlite,sand and bentonite?
Jun 23, 2008. 4:28 PMJohn Smith says:
http://backyardmetalcasting.com/refractories.html

The refractory mix is composed of Portland cement (1.5 parts), silica sand (2 parts), perlite (1.5 parts) and fireclay (2 parts). The first three components are mixed together thoroughly.

Thats the formula.

However, its not as great as i thought it was at the time, now that i have tried different refractoires(that post was about a year ago).

Also, portland cement is a flux at high temperatures. Most people say to skip the portland.

I use Kaowool now. Its cheap, and truly great for a small gas forge like this. You might want to look into it.

If not, see [www.backyardmetalcasting.com/forums] for more info, or comment back.
Jun 22, 2007. 9:29 PMJohn Smith says:
Here's the pics:
Foundry & Forge 028.jpgFoundry & Forge 016.jpgFoundry & Forge 031.jpgFoundry & Forge 029.jpgFoundry & Forge 040.jpgFoundry & Forge 008.jpgFoundry & Forge 043.jpgFoundry & Forge 045.jpgFoundry & Forge 053.jpgFoundry & Forge 058.jpgFoundry & Forge 062.jpg
Jun 23, 2007. 3:49 AMlemonie says:
Thanks, I for one appreciate this. L
Mar 26, 2007. 3:59 AMironsmiter says:
If you can't find "fire cement" try looking for castable refractory, at just about any big-box home improvement store. Country hardware stores will often carry it also. If you're brave/foolish/smart enough to make your own refractory from dug clay, what you'll want is a high Kaolin content clay... though just about any clay will work to a degree. The type of clay used mainly effects how long, and how hot before you get spalling. Clean playground sand works pretty well, for aggregate in your clay mix. but it's not so hot for insulation. When Making firebricks, the trick is to inclode about 25% fine sawdust into the clay mixture. When you first fire your clay,apply the heat low, and slow. If you control the heat well enough, the sawdust vaporizes without breaking the finished clay body. The tiny pockets of air provide the best insulation to be had. The finished product should resemble the soft/porous firebrick Wargoth mentioned. Do NOT use cinderblocks... please, oh please NO! Cement retains far too much water and can/WILL explode most violently when subjected to the extreme heats generated in a forge like this. If you upgrade from a soup can, to a coffee can or larger, take the time to also hinge a door onto it, or get some firebrick to partially block the front, as it will drastically improve your ability to achieve, and retain heat.
Dec 24, 2007. 1:58 PMafcbasser says:
"25% sawdust"... is this by weight? seems like a lot.
Dec 25, 2007. 1:33 AMironsmiter says:
It's been a while, and I've lost my exact recipe... but I seem to remember it being about 25% by VOLUME. And mixed into the moist ingredients(mixing into the dry ingredients would require a LOT more water, and take days longer to dry enough to even begin curing) measured mostly by eye and luck. My personal experience doing this was, in a university ceramics department. I suppose, I might call it cheating, as we had 100+ gallon containers of various clay powders, and 1000's of pounds of bags stacked. The large volume is a lot... and leaves a very soft, fragile brick... but it's also what gives it it's insulation ability. It's a bit of a trade off. Looking upward, John Smith's suggestion of using perlite might be a better solution. Heck, it may even act as a better insulation(dunno, haven't tried refractory cement yet.) and having material in place of voids, may create a stronger brick. I'd still start at 25% lmao! sorry, just wiki'd perlite. "When it reaches temperatures of 850-900 °C, perlite softens (since it is a glass). Water trapped in the structure of the material vaporises and escapes and this causes the expansion of the material to 7-16 times its original volume. The expanded material is a brilliant white, due to the reflectivity of the trapped bubbles." So basically, the perlite is already a bunch of little air bubbles! Instead of adding the sawdust, and letting the material burn out leaving voids, the perlite is pre-encapsulated voids. and the worst that will happen if you over heat(900+C) it is, the obsidian will fuse to the inside of the void like a glaze. Live and learn! I'd still begin with a 25% mix, and test larger percentages as I went along(in small batches). But if my intuition is correct, i could see going as high as 40%, in a cast-in-place material. Higher heat insulation... and very soft, but with the metal acting as a structural element, it should still work. give it a go, and reply with the results? :-)
Jul 9, 2011. 10:21 PMacoleman3 says:
pretty bomb design for being improvised as it is. my suggestion though would be to take some wiss snips and made a hole in the back 2in long and an inch wide so you can insert longer bar stock or knife blades through it. then in the front, take a soft fire brick and cut a groove in one edge and set it on edge so the groove is on teh bottom. only the bottom 3rd is exposed and youll get higher temps inside due to the heat being concentrated.

this would make an excellent tempering forge for small/med knifes, punches, chisels and the like.
Jul 9, 2011. 10:24 PMacoleman3 says:
actually, master bladesmith wayne godard made a forge like this and has instructions on how to make it in his book "the $50 knife shop"
Sep 30, 2010. 12:23 PMteslafan100 says:
I need to make this. :p
Jun 20, 2008. 2:37 PMbeavercleaver says:
What about Acetylene? Would it work ? I like the forge idea, good work.
May 14, 2010. 6:03 PMpunkhead58 says:
I imagine that a gas-Acetylene torch would work with a rosebud tip and a low flame.
Apr 4, 2009. 8:11 PMimfat123 says:
So I call Home Depot and Lowes and Jerrys(the local home improvement center or centre). They don't have anything thats called "fire cement". Can you give me some tips?!?!
Jan 16, 2010. 11:57 PMpyra_builder_1337 says:
try some place that sells the suff for fire places they should have it
May 15, 2009. 4:38 PMMr_edd2nd says:
Gidday all I must say i learnt heaps from you guys as i am da new guy ere, the perlite mix was a sucess but couldnt get enough heat. I had 2 mapp gas burners just above the base.could only get a red glow on the rocksThought about a smidgeon of thermite even just to kick start the heat process lol So have gone for the oxy acet version but i make a better baker than a welder and thats debateable. mark 2 is a 12 litre drum with furnace wool similar to kao wool (2750deg i think) lining perlite and fireplace cement mixture for base.Will use the mapp just to start the heat up and then switch to oxy.Probably already labeled a temp in here because if the correct advice is not headed I reckon i will only be here for a little while lol.So i can hear you guys saying what the hell is this guy on ? So here is the plan. The wife wanted to melt some iron ore into some moulds. PS if you like your peace and tidy workshop dont marry a girl with an artistic obsession. It will drive you nucken futz all advice greatly appreciated
Feb 25, 2009. 7:13 AMMoonrabbit says:
Awesome idea. I've got countless applications for something like this.
Jan 3, 2009. 3:04 AModdblob says:
This much fire cement won't do much insulation-wise. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that 1 1/2 to 2 inches was a minimum for a slightly efficient forge. then again, my forge is a single firebrick and a 2" diameter torch, which is possibly the least efficient way to heat metal concievable...
Dec 2, 2008. 4:28 PMNinJa_RaiZer says:
how much does fire cement cost???
Apr 23, 2007. 3:28 PMJohn Smith says:
Could I mix Bentonite clay with water and wait until it dries, instead of fire clay? I can't find any fire clay.
Apr 27, 2007. 6:15 PMJohn Smith says:
Okay, I tried it, kind of. I didn't have enough bentonite (not calcium) to fill the entire can, but enough to cover the bottom, and the side that gets hit with the heat the most. I didn't wait to let it dry all the way, so it was moist when it was tested. It did crack, but it can be filled in with more bentonite, and wetted, so the crack can get fixed. Smaller cracks didn't matter as much. Anyway, I slowly heated it up to working temp., and heated a small brass rod, which I curled into a ring. I would say that the bentonite was a decent heat reflector, but the endproduct was definately not as pretty as the fire clay. Did your clay heat reddish when the torch is on it? Mine did. Also, for my can, I used a tomato soup can, smaller than yours. For my pipe, I used 1/2" galvanised conduit. That said, I LOVE your metalsmithing instructables, they'd probably fall under my most favorite hobbies of all time.
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