How to block/kill RFID chips by m1k3y
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In this Instructable I will describe different ways to block or kill RFID tags. RFID stands for Radio Frequency Identification. If you do not know about this technology yet, you should definitely start familiarizing yourself with it, because the number of different devices that utilize these types of tags is growing exponentially.

RFID chips are very similar to barcodes in the sense that a certain amount of data is contained within them, and then transmitted to a reading device which then processes and utilizes the information. The major difference is that barcodes have to be physically visible to the reading device, which is usually only able to scan them at a distance of a 12 inches or less. RFID tags, on the other hand, do not have to be visible to the reading device. They can be scanned through clothes, wallets, and even cars. The distance from which they can be read is also much greater than that of a barcode. At DEFCON an RFID tag was scanned at a distance of 69 feet, and that was back in 2005, the possible reading distance now is probably much greater than that.

There are a few different categories of RFID tags, but the most common ones, and the ones we will be dealing with in this instructable, are the "passive" type. Passive RFID chips contain no internal power supply. They contain an antenna which is able to have a current induced in it when within range of the RFID reader. The tag then uses that electricity to power the internal chip, which bounces its data back out through the antenna, where it will be picked up by the reader.

For more information on RFID tags check out the wikipedia entry.
 
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Step 1: Reasons for blocking / destroying RFID chips

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The main reason someone would want to block or destroy RFID chips would be to maintain privacy. In the last step I explained that RFID tags can be read from very long distances. The potential for abuse of this technology grows as more and more products and devices are being created with these tags built in.

Companies are getting consumers to blindly accept many RFID tagged products with the promise of convenience; however, most of the devices that contain RFID tags don't really need them. The tags may save a few seconds, but sacrifice an enormous amount of privacy and security. It is now possible for someone, with relatively simple equipment, to walk down a busy sidewalk and pickup the personal information of people carrying RFID tagged devices, without them even knowing.

Being able to block or destroy these chips allows people to decide what type of information they are willing to sacrifice for convenience.
Aplonis says: Nov 23, 2011. 8:19 PM
Anything electronic can be easily disabled with an old-fashioned device used by vinyl record aficionados, the Zerostat 3 Anti-Static Pistol by Milty. Records got dust in the grooves. When you pulled the trigger of this little pistol like device it compressed a piezoelectric crystal to emit a whopping powerful electric spark. Aimed at any non-groove part of the record, the whole vinyl was negatively charged so that any dust in the grooves would pop out instantly. No dust in the grooves meant the needle did not damage the record from abrasive buildup.



Aimed at a fingertip it hurt like anything. An electronic component so treated curls up it's pins and just dies as if hit by lightning...which, effectively, it has been.
james.m.k says: Mar 14, 2013. 12:44 AM
Sweet.
romulopericles says: Nov 27, 2012. 7:29 PM
I had a friend who use the RFID to identify terrorists during the Iraq occupation
james.m.k says: Mar 14, 2013. 12:35 AM
How does that work? They ID the guy, and then inject him with an RFID chip? Or did they chip the guy's belongings?

I'm assuming that the terrorists didn't chip themselves in advance.
Lynnwa says: Feb 12, 2013. 5:36 PM
I DO NOT recommend putting your passport in the microwave to destroy the chip. I caught my husband's passport on fire. Try explaining *that* to embassy officials. I do however have a hammer, haven't tried that yet. I also have a tazer ...
james.m.k says: Mar 14, 2013. 12:28 AM
Never explain something like that, not unless you're already in trouble because then lieing is likely to make things worse.

Your best move? Just hand it to whoever and smile. Don't mention it at all. Preemptive explanations are suspicious.

If asked, just say it just got burned, don't volenteer more. If pressed, you've got pleanty of options to choose:
A ciggarete.
A hot lighter.
Kid held it up to a candel.
Fell into the campfire.
A radiater.
A heater.
The stove.
I don't know. It wasn't burned when we left the states!

But if you're in trouble just say, "I'm a little paranoid, so I put it in the microwave to destroy the RFID chip. I didn't want someone to clone my ID with a portable scanner.", then shrug and give a weak smile
caroletter90 says: Jun 5, 2012. 1:27 PM
Hi everybody, have read many of the comments concerning RFID. Please all I am asking, is that the whole lot of you read Revelations 13: 15-18. This is really scary stuff. I am old now and my concern is for the younger generation out there, and believe me "Big Brother Will Be Watching You" !!!!!!
maxiaxie says: Dec 14, 2012. 8:04 PM
Revelations 13:16-18: [paraphrasing for length reasons] "And all people shall be forced into receiving the mark of the beast on their right hands or foreheads, and none shall be able to buy, sell or trade without the mark of the beast or the number of the beast on their hand or forehead. That number is 666".

Yeah... let's assume for a second that this is totally 100% true. Even then, I don't see many people getting "666" tattooed on their foreheads or hands unless they are hardcore satanists. Seriously, all you'd have to do is get this "mark of the beast" on your left hand and you'd be all good. It's not a very well thought out plan frankly.
Coccyx says: Jun 7, 2012. 8:55 AM
I thought this was a science site based on, ya know, science?
EET1982 says: Apr 17, 2013. 4:40 PM
Very true. The bible has no relevance. It's all made up anyway lol.
waterlubber says: Feb 8, 2012. 3:44 PM
How about this super easy method:
You will needs:
-Electromagnet
DO NOT TRY W/ PACEMAKER. BAD IDEA.
Lets see...
The electromagnet generates a magnetic field that become induced (like a transformer) into the RFID chip, frying it. Yum! Fried RFID...
jridley says: Nov 24, 2012. 9:09 AM
This will not kill the RFID, only the mag strip.
ecabrales says: Aug 13, 2012. 7:33 PM
that would also kill the magnetic strip on the credit card.
waterlubber says: Aug 14, 2012. 2:45 PM
Wrap the strip in tinfoil.
james.m.k says: Mar 14, 2013. 12:37 AM
Tinfoil does not block magnetic lines of force.
waterlubber says: Mar 15, 2013. 4:42 AM
Correction...not a electromagnet, an EMF genorator. And tinfoil does block that stuff. (radiowave)
code blue says: Mar 31, 2012. 6:51 AM
Does the magnetic field have to be on in it or can it be inchs away from the frid. Thanks OZ
waterlubber says: Apr 9, 2012. 8:39 AM
depends on the depth of chip and strength of magnet.
ecabrales says: Aug 13, 2012. 7:39 PM
Best way to kill the chip is to use a very small drill bit to make a hole that doesn't go completely through, but enough to sever the antenna so it will not transmit.
or use a soldering iron to melt through the card, or very gradually until you reach about half way through the card.

zolar1 says: May 27, 2012. 8:29 AM
Anyone remember the tape head degausser that Radio Shack used to sell? I wonder if something like that would work??

Seems easy enough to make.

Also, FYI, stores like walmart will have RFID sewn into clothes. Ya know those 'alarm' scanners that you walk by to get in/out of the store?

Those could be easily used to determine who comes into the store, who leaves, their criminal and financial records, RACE, etc. And problems could easily ensue.

Let's say you were a stupid kid that got caught shoplifting at age 18 and a day. Walmart could determine by any RFID chip on your ID or clothing you bought with a check, credit card, or debit card, that you were once convicted of theft.

They could instantly sound alarms and flashing lights announcing over the loudspeaker - 'Convicted Shoplifter!' and BAR you from the premises!

Let's say that you went shopping in a rather ahem bad neighborhood (or any really). Let's say that the shop keeper needed a tax write off. You get close to his scanner, and his recorder gets your info. He then steals your information, uses you as a tax write off, and the IRS comes beating at your door. While this happens, the shopkeeper is on his way to his home country...

Anyway, does anyone know what coil those RFID chips use? I am sure is is a fairly standard RFI choke of sorts.
Knowing the size, shape, number of turns, there is a way to determine the amount of power it can generate.

Please note: The government will require you to have one. It will make it a major crime to tamper with it or disable it - similar to those breath machines drunks have to put into their cars or the ankle bracelets home incarceration people have to wear. If your RFID chip fails to 'phone home' for more than a specified time, they will prevent your car from starting, your accounts will be frozen, and a capias will be issued for your arrest.. Soon, credit cards won't work without it.

While it is fanciful to dream about having privacy, it just isn't going to be as easy as everyone thinks.

You can play now with the ability to disable them, but in real life, all governments will see this as a gold mine to control everyone.

How many of you can really live in total isolation? Nothing electrical. No ability to buy anything. On the run all the time.

This is coming. Best way isn't to destroy the chips but to reprogram them with the information YOU want them to have.

Anyone got a box of spare RFID chips that are blank? And a program machine? And a guide on how to program or reprogram one?

That will be your best defense. Until they get you for having a fake identity...
glorybe says: May 27, 2012. 4:11 PM
I'm not so certain that privacy is a valid issue. The guys conviction for shop lifting should be public record and should have life long consequences. When people try to fly the privacy flag it is often or almost always because they want to be able to get away with something. Yes the guy that cheats on his wife just hates the idea that his car might log every stop it makes and that that information was easy to access. The guy that cheats on his wife is also far more likely to cheat the company he works for. When facts are shielded then aren't the employer's rights compromised? If a salesman comes to my home with a product should I not be able to tell if he has had honesty issues or is in debt so deep that he will do most anything to get by? Freedom and the free flow of information go together.
Treknology says: May 28, 2012. 12:14 AM
I think privacy is a really big issue. I don't care that my neighbors know my income, my sexual behavior, or my upbringing history.

I do care when the government has this information. Time and time again, democratic or dictatorial, governments have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted with any of this information. On the other hand, I'm perfectly happy for my medical history to be an open book because it shows the negligence and ignorance of those who are living off our tax money in the name of "public health".

There are many people out there who can't keep their ***** in their pants, but that doesn't mean they're equally prone to turning over the till.

As demonstrated in "Brazil" the government is quite capable of getting Buttle and Tuttle confused with each other and then failing to accept the consequences of the actions that have been taken.
LaserDave says: May 27, 2012. 9:40 AM
The information contained in these "chips" is a factory-programmed string of characters only. Those characters are referenced to a lookup table to indicate what the code translates to. These types of passive electronic tags are far more basic than most people think - they are produced by the billions.

There is NO WAY these can hold your personal information - once they leave the factory they are finished - they spit up their codes only, they cannot take information in. One-way communication.

Answers to your proposals -

The tags require medium frequency waves to operate the chip inside it, the tape demagnetisers Radio Yack used to sell ran at the North American line frequency of 60Hz.

RFID patches are not sewn in, they are stuck on since the piercing of the metallic antenna would either reduce its effectiveness or kill it entirely.

Stores would NEVER be able to gain information like your criminal history, personal finance info and CERTAINLY NOT your race!!! I'm very curious about your reasoning for the race issue. I'm hoping you are joking about the loudspeaker part. This is all impossible because of privacy laws**.

The shopkeep story is pure fantasy, even if personal information *was* on these devices (which it isn't), there would be no way someone could directly access your financial wealth - nor would it be reasonable to assume that such information would secure enough money from a single source, off a single person, to promise a shopkeep a better life back "in his home country". There's the race thing again(!)

Now - there has been a lot of talk and "leaked" information (that I personally believe) that we will be soon on our way to a cashless society, where everything we do will be tied to the information contained in a non-removable implant that DOES contain all of our personal information, including debit card functionality. Yes, I believe that the government (and other unnamed entities) have the perverted and sick capability of using this technology as a means to enslave - absolutely. But those days are not here yet, and it won't be for quite a while - especially now that such plans are out into the sunlight where everyone can see them. The "undesirable and evil entities" we are all aware of NEVER counted on the internet to be the information exchange it has become.

Knowledge is POWER - and we MUST guarantee that NOTHING stands in the way of free information exchange, and we MUST ensure that we ABSOLUTELY preserve this freedom, NO GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION OR CENSORSHIP of any kind should be permitted. Several bills have been
recently introduced under the ridiculously-thin guise of "copyright protection" and to "fight piracy", while trying to sell it with the over-used "for the safety of your children" buzz-phrase that people are finally waking up to. Paid-off media lays the groundwork of making piracy and copyright protection such a hot topic by grossly exaggerating its impact on Hollywood - but in reality the percentage is in the single-digits - it is NOT a problem, it's a lame excuse to limit online content. Naturally, it may begin with only a very, very small portion that everyone could agree to - but once that ball starts rolling, it will pick up speed VERY quickly.

The only way we can prevent our private information from being available to just anyone is by SAFEGUARDING THE INTERNET. It's our LAST line of defense against being enslaved. (I'm not exaggerating) Information spreads from one end of the country to the other in mere minutes, we all need to watch out for one another and have his/her backs. There is going to be a massive SHOWDOWN coming, and I know everyone's instinct can feel it coming. Think about that.

Peace!!

P.S. I apologise for the "rant", but it seemed a reasonable forum to educate slightly as it dealt with privacy theft, the direction it is headed, and what we can do to limit the damage. Also, I don't want to debate this publicly (you may send me a message if you like), so if you don't agree, just ignore it - there is TONS of information out there that DOES agree.
yamahonda says: Nov 30, 2012. 4:03 AM
Actually, Dave there are articles of clothing with sewn-in RFID tags. I was setting off theft detection alarms going into and coming out of several stores last winter; from autozone to walmart to home depot to sears, you name it... It was driving me nuts. After a month of it, I asked the cashier at autozone to zap everything I could remove with the store's RFID killer. My backpack, jacket, EVERYTHING!! It finally stopped.
Turns out, it was the Joe Rocket armored motorcycle jacket I bought from a riding buddy. I wore it any time I was on my bike. Not stolen, just never deactivated. It was sewn into an area around the zipper between several layers of ballistic nylon, and cowhide.
LaserDave says: May 27, 2012. 10:32 AM
As final comment to make a clarification -

The sticker-type such as pictured above contains no chip, it is just an induction coil that alerts the reader that it's still alive - going through a cashier's lane with a deactivation pad overloads the antenna and blows a fuse so the security system sees it as being "dead"

My comments above were about the types of these similar stickers, and other types of plastic devices that are used, that transmit their codes by activation via cashier's reader and security systems.

More advanced RFIDs such as those in credit cards, can contain a simple code to verify that the information on the magstripe is valid, or they can spit up larger volumes of encrypted information. Passports have a larger amount of personal information that is also highly-encrypted. They are capable of both read and write operations, but do not contain financial details.

At the moment, most RFIDs are basic and provide a simple code (like access control) to be referenced to a lookup table, unless they are used in important documentation instruments.
Treknology says: May 28, 2012. 7:18 AM
There are already people casually walking past someone whilst 'innocently' carry a netbook, and then coming back to their 'victim' and showing all the personal information that was read from RFID enabled credit cards or passports.

After seeing these on YouTube I contacted my bank, supplied them with a variety of URLs, and stated that under no circumstances would I allow my account to be accessed by an RFID enabled device.
sealover89 says: Apr 25, 2012. 2:12 PM
I have read on a site that if you keep your biometric passport next to a mobile phone in a purse for example it can erase the information on the RFID chip or even damage/disable it. I have stored my e-passport a couple of times near my mobile phone. I am planning to visit the US in the near future and now I am really concerned. Will my passport chip work properly?
Thx in advance for your answers.
puremagix says: Mar 19, 2012. 12:09 PM
Some of you have been very close to the solution. What you must remember is that this ID chip utilizes a radio signal to power the ID chip. The antenna is nothing more than a coil of wire, which in this case is used to generate an electrical current to power the chip. Like any antenna utilizing and incoming signal to power hardware, it has limitations on how much current it can carry.

Strong electrical fields are capable of overloading the circuits within the chip, causing burnouts. That's why these things are limited on the distance they can be picked up. No matter how they build them later, there are always limitation on power handling capabilities. By using a signal generator and a transmitter, you can determine the frequency of the chip, and by increasing the output of the signal, you can burn out the chip.

Once you think you have defeated the chip. simply reduce the power and monitor the chip to see if it repowers up after reducing the output current. If it doesn't you're home free.
ariangaronoa says: Jan 5, 2012. 3:02 AM
What if I had a eye2chip2computer2satelite. How do I disable it without hurting my eye.
ewawni says: Dec 29, 2011. 7:57 AM
shhhhhh intelligencia at work!!!
ewawni says: Dec 29, 2011. 6:46 AM
If you take the chip into your skin (aka mark of the beast)then cut it right back out, are you innocent of the crime??

dahualing says: Nov 20, 2011. 10:23 PM
I can't wait
2dMaxf says: Apr 27, 2008. 5:56 PM
How would you kill a rfid chip that is injected under the skin? They put these in crazies and people with Alzheimers desease. Got any idea? Magnets maybe?
kgee says: Sep 11, 2011. 11:56 PM
can't you use a small controlled emp?

or can't you use a RFID writer? i seen somethig on this site a while agot about that.
Capfl2k5 says: Sep 1, 2011. 4:36 AM
Maybe its a good idea to able to track pop pop when he wanders off. And the crazies when they are on the loose.
fryrocket says: Jul 1, 2011. 10:43 PM
I think I would hit them with the hammer method. The micro wave would be to cruel. Its a good question and would like to know myself.
-max- says: Aug 4, 2011. 2:04 PM
yea. just wac a hobo with a hammer!!!
lanceearlhaines says: May 22, 2011. 9:03 PM
Any device to overload the chip is a bad idea. You could get burned. Use a sterilized very sharp knife, preferably wielded by a doctor. Intramuscular would definitely require a procedure from a doctor or Vet. Aliens put one in me and I cut it out! J.K. Then microwave that sucker and watch the sparks fly!
Nicola Tesla says: May 31, 2011. 6:34 PM
They (not aliens) are going to put them in everybody so they know where you are.
conradchase says: Jun 12, 2011. 1:37 PM
Who are "they" that you speak of?
jUST a cOUNTRY bOY says: Jan 16, 2012. 1:51 PM
wHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM?
Nicola Tesla says: Jun 27, 2011. 6:28 PM
the new world leeder.
wsimmons2 says: Jul 3, 2011. 7:34 PM
"new world leeder?" I'm sorry, were you trying to say leader or order...bless your heart
Nicola Tesla says: Jul 4, 2011. 8:43 AM
ohh thank you
lanceearlhaines says: Dec 8, 2011. 3:34 PM
Take me to your "Leeder"....LOL
imarcianoloco says: Jun 27, 2011. 11:49 AM
T.P.T.B. and it's really creepy...
Treknology says: Sep 8, 2010. 6:02 AM
My suggestion is using a Xenon flash gun from a camera. Get the glass tube as close to the "grain of rice" without electrocuting the patient and fire it several times. The random electrons emitted with the light flash should distress the silicon components of the RFID.

Remember that an EM Pulse is erroneously named. It is actually a Charged Particle Pulse. Those confused electrons and protons can overload the PN junctions in semiconductors and render them inoperative.
captnkrunch says: May 27, 2012. 12:45 PM
where did you learn that EMP are particles?
Treknology says: May 28, 2012. 6:52 AM
Deduction.

Alpha Radiation is made up of 'naked' Hydrogen and Helium Neuclei.
Beta Radiation is made up free-flowing electrons in search of a Nucleus.

BOTH of which are Charged Particles.

Read up on the reaction that occurs in the PN junctions of semi-conductors. If it were truly an EM pulse, then you would not be able to place a transistor anywhere near an inductor.
captnkrunch says: May 28, 2012. 6:58 AM
Ahhh. so from your understanding of the operation of PN junctions, you deduced that EMP is formed from charged particles. So if I can produce an EMP from an inductor and a capacitor you would deduce that they are radioactive?
Treknology says: May 28, 2012. 10:05 AM
That is a self-defeating rhetorical question. If that were the case, then my last sentence would have long been proven wrong through experience.

The fact that transistors can co-exist with inductors at ridiculously high frequencies in items such as switch mode power supplies demonstrates that the EM Pulse that can be generated by a collapsing inductor field is NOT ionizing radiation, although some of those frequencies, if too close to the resonance of an organic circuit, can lead to flesh damage, just as microwaves can do.

The classic "EM Pulse" that occurs in relation to fission detonation is the mass distribution of uncontrollable charged particles. The Wikipedia article on EMP is very informative even if the authors do not agree on particles vs magnetic fields. But pay close attention to the goings on inside the semi-conductor when exposed to this radiation.
captnkrunch says: May 28, 2012. 7:19 PM
Gee, I don't feel defeated at all. In fact, I think we're making good progress ... now that we agree that there is at least one kind of EMP which is completely unrelated to charged particles. Beside the fact that this discussion, when it began, had nothing to do with ionizing radiation, and still doesn't but you don't know that yet.

Now let's turn our attention to the charged particle theory of EMP. Let's suppose that a fission weapon comprising 22Kg of plutonium is detonated 100 miles away ... in the atmosphere say. What is the particle flux density through one square centimeter perpendicular to the blast assuming a spherical blast, all of the fissile material participates and produces 10 (charged) fragments for each atom of fuel? How does this flux differ from normal cosmic ray flux at sea level? How does this flux differ from that normally experienced in SpaceLab?
Treknology says: May 29, 2012. 6:38 AM
A mock-up of your proposed experiment was performed which yielded zero results, as the measuring equipment was completely vaporized. The observer is expected to survive for maybe another 24 hours. Also, if the premise is wrong (which is what we are arguing), the maths will prove nothing. If you have seen the graphic sequence from Hitch Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy involving the Babelfish and the equations that prove Black = White, the maths is correct, but the premise used was wrong. RGB is additive. CMY is subtractive. As an aside, this also means that if eInk ever goes color it will use the CMYK method.

As stated previously if it were purely magnetic fields that caused the damage then no transistor would survive in the vicinity of high-power inductors inside a switch mode power supply, unless that poor transistor is suddenly spiked by back voltage. I shan't introduce ElectroMotive Force, lest we end up with confusion over which acronym means what.

Are you reading this on a "classic" TFT LCD monitor lit with CCFL? As the thin-film-transistors on the LCD panel are so extremely delicate, have you or anyone else ever observed discoloration because the inverter coils (EMF) are affecting the TFTs?

RFID is several magnitudes more sensitive because it is powered by that field, overloading the antenna with EMF or the circuitry with CPP should be very easy. The firing of s Xenon tube scatters a great deal more than just visible light.

As you are only wishing to split hairs, I see no point in maintaining this argument which is verging on off-topic.
jUST a cOUNTRY bOY says: Jan 16, 2012. 1:52 PM
tHANKS tREK.
sOUNDS WORTH A TRY WHEN THE TIME COMES.
lanceearlhaines says: Dec 8, 2011. 3:59 PM
you are wrong about EM pulse.
Photons (electromagnetic radiation) a.k.a. light is what is emitted, not charged particles. They excite the electrons in electronics to the point where they escape the metal and the metal becomes so hot from the rapidly moving electrons that it melts and burns whatever is touching it.

Nuclear decay , fusion, or fission produce nuclear radiation in the form of charged particles. Some is ionizing radiation. Our earths magnetic field deflects these coming from our sun making life possible. Some charged particles "fall into" the poles giving us aurora borealis and aurora australis. When the charged particles strike the gases in the atmosphere they excite them and they glow much as a neon light does.

The point to a EMP is to strategically knock out electronic devices minimizing casualties. otherwise just use an A Bomb you get both EMP and nuclear charged particle radiation.
Treknology says: Feb 2, 2012. 1:48 AM
If a Xenon tube fired with 100% efficiency, there would be no escaping electrons. Just like a CRT, there are plenty of wild electrons escaping into the environment.

My suggestion is relying on the "super-sensitivity" of RFID chips. They rely on an induced current to commence operation, so a good whack about the electronic antenna should be pretty painful.

The alternative of modifying a microwave oven to attack that part of the body infested with a chip is extreme, haphazard and could do long term damage.

If these chips are to be embedded in the back of the hand, I see chain-mesh gloves suddenly becoming fashionable.
lanceearlhaines says: Feb 5, 2012. 12:27 AM
Sure wild electrons are escaping atoms all the time but without an accelerator and a sufficiently focused beam of high intensity, the ionizing effect of randomly escaped electrons from devices is quite minimal.

Furthermore, Without a significant fluctuation in the surrounding MAGNETIC field an overload current will not be induced in the sensitive RFID chip. Simply hoping escaped electrons from a device designed to create visible light, I would bet my life, is not adequate to fry an RFID. Just think of the thousands of cells and layer of fat not to mention the capsule around the chip that can absorb or deflect the incoming electrons. We are talking billions of atoms in the way.
Treknology says: May 28, 2012. 12:31 AM
RFID tags are meant to be activated by low-power fields. The rapid pulse of a high power nearby SHOULD stress the extra-sensitive components, and if the low power can get through for normal operation, those billions of body cells aren't going to be too worried about trying to deflect a Xenon flash. People can stick their hands in the middle of a carbon arc if they really want to zap things up.

Please name the race that tagged you.
Please also provide Registration and Vehicle type, along with photos of the formerly implanted device.
rrrmanion says: Sep 2, 2010. 2:41 PM
go have an injection/ blood drawn from there, in the hope the needle pierces the tag at a mental hospital? get sedated there...
almightyally says: Jan 17, 2010. 5:01 PM
 using a tazer close to where the chip is implanted should fry it, itd hurt like hell though.
msw100 says: May 8, 2009. 11:10 AM
Put them in a large micro
pro2xy says: Sep 6, 2010. 8:20 AM
Yeah! Nice idea!!
daltonjcw says: Sep 2, 2010. 5:41 PM
CAT Scan?
burton6054 says: Jul 11, 2009. 10:51 PM
you my friend just made my day hahahaha
and7barton says: May 7, 2009. 3:03 PM
If we ever sleepwalk into a compulsory injected microchip society, the answer to this would be to cut the skin and pop the capsule back out as soon as you get home from the "Citizen's Implant Centre". Then you can tape it onto the outside of your arm, and remove it when you choose to.
Machine says: May 16, 2012. 7:44 AM
How about don't accept it in the first place?
jUST a cOUNTRY bOY says: Jan 16, 2012. 1:53 PM
iDEAS ARE GREAT IN THEORY.
tHESE THINGS ARE MUCH MORE COMPICATED IN FACT.
Jawatech says: May 27, 2009. 10:22 AM
I can't wait!
wupme says: May 5, 2009. 4:58 AM
You might want to take a look into the RFID Zipper of the CCC (Chaos Computer Club Germany)
https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/r/f/i/RFID-Zapper(EN)_77f3.html

Its the only way (besides the hammer method) that leaves no trace that you destroyed the chip.
The Microwave is bad idea, it can happen that the place where the chip looks slightly burned.
waterlubber says: Feb 8, 2012. 3:48 PM
Chrome is yappin about how this is an untrusted site...you sure 'bout this?
mijdtr says: Sep 18, 2010. 8:25 PM
firefox says the link posted is an "untrusted connection" jus sayin,,,
pro2xy says: Sep 6, 2010. 8:23 AM
Lol... Gotcha boss! We were planning to put the guy in the micro... May we experiment on ya??? :P
NobodyInParticular says: Mar 31, 2009. 1:13 PM
Waving a magnet around would not induce much current at all, much less enough to destroy it. Some RFID tags (especially ones used as anti-theft devices in stores) have a magnetically-activated reset switch. I don't think one used for tagging pets would have a reset switch, though.
Nyxius says: Apr 15, 2010. 10:49 PM
They don't use RFID tags in most stores. 
1) the technology is too expensive to deploy on such a massive scale
2) the technology used is much older than RFID
3) there are several designs, but most use a tuned coil (with no chip), or an electromagnetic "flutter" design (think relay style component).

The basic idea is that current tech looks for variations in a static field to detect the tag.  That is why sometime the sensors go off without an actual tag tripping it.   Things like cellphone antennas, metal loops on a purse, etc.

The register deactivators are basic EMP emitters that fry the crap out of the coil and blow a simple fuse inside of it.  That is why you don't want to put you credit card on one of those pads.

Those pads emit a field several times larger than the RFID zapper.
G MAN says: May 2, 2008. 8:10 PM
I too would like that info. I don't think magnets will? I have a dog with one. I really don't want to cut it out. there must be some way.
cunningfellow says: Aug 14, 2011. 6:36 PM
I had my dog injected with a chip when she was at the vet for pneumonia. I should have waited to get the chip done and saved $80. She died two days later at the Vet. I asked him if he could remove the chip - he said that the body moves them around, and finding something smaller than a grain of rice would be very expensive.
The problem would be just as bad in humans - and I certainly don't want to go cutting around in my arm if I ever get forcibly injected (or wherever else they decide to put it). But I certainly would like to be able to block or 'zap' it.

Please can we get back to blocking or disabling them - I am pretty sure removal without the aid of a fully equipped hospital isn't viable.
ewawni says: Dec 29, 2011. 7:46 AM
I would be happy to make a small incision with antiseptic equipment given the proper parameters. No big deal.
sokamiwohali says: Oct 14, 2011. 5:33 AM
Apparently that vet was lying to you...the chip doesnt move around like that. usially it is implanted in the back of the animal and stays there...why do you think that police n animal control swipe the microchip reader down their back? the damn vet was just being lazy. all he would have to do is use a chip reader to locate it, then cut it out after preperation of the animal.
Treknology says: Dec 9, 2011. 1:18 AM
On the contrary, as the animal grows, the chip can be found to have moved significantly. My next-door neighbor's dog went missing, and it was by luck that it was identified because it "wasn't chipped". The neighbor insisted that the dog was chipped, and the chip was eventually found down near the tail, not under the collar where it had been placed when a puppy. So the swipe "down the back" would be the movement vs growth factor.
sokamiwohali says: Dec 9, 2011. 7:05 AM
hmm funny. well he still could have done a full sweep on the poor dog. its not impossible to find. same basic principal as a metal detector.
servechilled says: Aug 25, 2011. 9:33 AM
Hmm, my parents have had their dog "chipped," and I've noticed he has a lump the size of a thumbnail on each side of him. I wonder if it's because of the tag? The veterinarian told them it's just lumps of fat and it's nothing to worry about, but I don't know about that. The lumps feel hard, and if it was fat I'd think they would be soft.
sokamiwohali says: Oct 14, 2011. 5:34 AM
its not fat...its likely a tumor...or a cyst.
anubreed says: Dec 18, 2008. 6:05 AM
if i were yo i would get the chip removed. it has been proven in lab studys that canceruos tumor a very common sideefect of these chips
Treknology says: Sep 8, 2010. 6:13 AM
@Nyxius: The chip identifying your dog is probably only going to be activated three or four times in its lifespan which amounts to sod-all of an issue.

@anubreed: Chips implanted in people for commerce are likely to be 30 and forty times a day--transport fares, office door security, that cup of cofee on the way to work, the newspaper -- this is when health risks start to become serous.
jUST a cOUNTRY bOY says: Jan 16, 2012. 1:56 PM
eAXCTLY. aND MUCH MORE
merseyless says: Jun 13, 2009. 9:06 PM
oh god, cancerous tumors a very common sideefect! there's evil spirits on that chip... another conspiracy if you knew ANYTHING about the chips, then you would know you just had a major comment fail. just curious but did you make that stuff up, if you diddnt then i would LOVE to get the scientific paper you are reffering to... btw g man, having a chipped dog is a good thing, as das_wookie said, its like a I.D tag that never gets lost or worn.
ksnicholas says: Oct 17, 2011. 11:17 PM
Cancerous tumors at chip injection sites are not common, but they do happen. You wanted to see the studies? Here are some:

Subcutaneous microchip-associated tumours in B6C3F1 mice: a retrospective study to attempt to determine their histogenesis.
Le Calvez S, Perron-Lepage MF, Burnett R.
Ecole Nationale Veterinaire, Unite d'Anatomie Pathologique, 44307 Nantes, France.
Exp Toxicol Pathol. 2006 Mar;57(4):255-65.

Tumors in long-term rat studies associated with microchip animal identification devices.
Elcock LE, Stuart BP, Wahle BS, Hoss HE, Crabb K, Millard DM, Mueller RE, Hastings TF, Lake SG.
Bayer Corporation, Toxicology Department, Stilwell, Kansas 66085, USA.
Exp Toxicol Pathol. 2001 Feb;52(6):483-91.

Transponder-induced sarcoma in the heterozygous p53+/- mouse.
Blanchard KT, Barthel C, French JE, Holden HE, Moretz R, Pack FD, Tennant RW, Stoll RE.
Department of Toxicology and Safety Assessment, Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Ridgefield, Connecticut 06877, USA.
Toxicol Pathol. 1999 Sep-Oct;27(5):519-27.

Subcutaneous soft tissue tumours at the site of implanted microchips in mice.
Tillmann T, Kamino K, Dasenbrock C, Ernst H, Kohler M, Morawietz G, Campo E, Cardesa A, Tomatis L, Mohr U.
Institute of Experimental Pathology, Hannover Medical School, Germany.
Exp Toxicol Pathol. 1997 Aug;49(3-4):197-200.

Fibrosarcomas Associated with Passive Integrated Transponder Implants.
T.E. Palmer, J. Nold, M. Palazzolo and T. Ryan.
Covance Laboratories, Inc., Madison, Wisconsin, 53704.

Foreign-body tumorigenesis: Sarcomas induced in mice by subcutaneously implanted transponders.
Keith A. Johnson.
The Toxicology Research Laboratory, The Dow Chemical Company, Midland MI, 48674.
Vet Pathol 33:5 (1996).
manchild66 says: Sep 9, 2010. 3:17 PM
The ony reason i can think of for wanting to kill the chip in a pet is if its stolen!
There are some breeds worth a lot of money and theft is rife!
If its a matter of changing address then it can be done at the place off implant by phone or letter!
Das_Wookie says: May 16, 2009. 5:13 PM
If your dog ever was picked up by animal control, that chip is likely the ONLY way you would have of ever getting it back. Collars and tags come off all the time. That chip only contains an ID number. That number can then be looked up by registered owners of scanners, but it doesn't contain any information than what you freely shared to start with. The ability for your dog to be able to be returned to you, solely because of that chip, saves millions of animal lives a year!
mijdtr says: Sep 18, 2010. 8:33 PM
i see the gov being brilliant in the fabian way of tricking the people once again. play on the hearts of pet owners, and get free test data on how rfid effects living tissue. peeps caring more for their pets than another human being. verrrrrrrry interesting angle.
beehard44 says: Feb 6, 2010. 5:36 AM
Yes it is returned to you, in a cancerous state.....
Das_Wookie says: Feb 6, 2010. 6:19 AM
That is just outright wrong!  RFID chips are no more dangerous than digital watches, and to even attempt to claim that microchips are dangerous to dogs is TOTALLY inappropriate, and completely wrong.  Comments and ill informed beliefs like that are blatantly ignorant of the facts, and harmful to the millions of animals which are saved every year by RFID microchips in pets.

Please, try and produce just ONE peer reviewed scientific and/or medical paper which proves your point.
ewawni says: Dec 29, 2011. 7:51 AM
The person in doubt needs to prove the point for themselves! thank you.
amicus curiae says: Sep 8, 2010. 7:04 AM
go to
www.antichips.com
they have the lab reports and info that proves tumours.
I know 2 people whos dogs developed tumours on the rfid site.
my dogs are chhipped as I fell for the same lies re safety.
many dogs with chips are destroted at pounds, not all readers read all chips.
ear tattoos are much safer.
removal will cost hundreds as the sharp plastic batbs embed into muscle, removal is not simple.
imaging a sharp irritating itch all your life?
and they do migrate. i had 13 pups done ALL moved from the neck area, to shoulders under neck lower ribs etc.
Nasty, and the only good is to verizons pockets.
Nyxius says: Apr 15, 2010. 11:10 PM
I am not endorsing either side of this argument, but perhaps there may be other things inside of the chip that may raise the risk of cancer?  Things other than radio energy.  Like antimony, gallium, lithium, and a host of other "toxic" chemicals that are commonly used in electronics.  Even things like copper can lead to metal poisoning.

The point I'm trying to make is that just because there isn't a study that shows significant risk, doesn't mean that there isn't.  Also, studies in the past have been shown to be wrong at times.  So, if there is a study that shows risk, then it could be inaccurate.
LaserDave says: May 27, 2012. 10:17 AM
LOL The don't inject a printed circuit board - it's just a tiny rice-like grain made of glass that is sterile, inert and non-toxic, so the micro-electronics inside the glass are not an issue. The risks lie mostly with the required pulse of radio-transmission energy (a second or two only) that injures the surrounding cells. This will improve in the future as the transponder is made more sensitive and require less energy to operate.
megandf says: Feb 28, 2010. 2:53 AM
thanks again for your comment. this is not of special interest to me, I just thought I was helping in directing you to something I had seen, however .. here is a collection of case studies that I think you will find of interest. I have copied one here for you, also a link to the site .. m

 

 

 

 

Toxicol Pathol. 1999 Sep-Oct;27(5):519-27.

Transponder-induced sarcoma in the heterozygous p53+/- mouse.

 

Department of Toxicology and Safety Assessment, Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Ridgefield, Connecticut 06877, USA. kblancha@rdg.boehringer-ingelheim.com

Heterozygous p53+/- transgenic mice are being studied for utility as a short-term alternative model to the 2-yr rodent carcinogenicity bioassay. During a 26-wk study to assess the potential carcinogenicity of oxymetholone using p-cresidine as a positive control, glass/polypropylene microchips (radio transponder identification devices) were subcutaneously implanted into male and female p53+/- mice. During week 15, the first palpable mass was clinically observed at an implant site. This rapidly growing mass virtually quadrupled in size by week 25. Microscopic examination of all implant sites revealed that 18 of 177 animals had a subcutaneous histologically malignant sarcoma. The neoplasms were characterized as undifferentiated sarcomas unrelated to drug treatment, as indicated by the relatively even distribution among dose groups, including controls. An unusual preneoplastic mesenchymal change characterized by the term "mesenchymal dysplasia" was present in most groups and was considered to be a prodromal change to sarcoma development. The tumors were observed to arise from dysplastic mesenchymal tissue that developed within the tissue capsule surrounding the transponder. The preneoplastic changes, including mesenchymal dysplasia, appeared to arise at the transponder's plastic anchoring barb and then progressed as a neoplasm to eventually surround the entire microchip. Capsule membrane endothelialization, inflammation, mesenchymal basophilia and dysplasia, and sarcoma were considered unequivocal preneoplastic/neoplastic responses to the transponder and were not related to treatment with either oxymetholone or p-cresidine.

PMID: 10528631 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Blanchard KT, Barthel C, French JE, Holden HE, Moretz R, Pack FD, Tennant RW, Stoll RE.
http://www.noble-leon.com/resourcesAdvanced/microchips.html
megandf says: Feb 19, 2010. 3:36 AM
Das_Wookie says: Feb 19, 2010. 8:53 AM
Yourr understanding of "Peer Reviewed" is interesting, none the less, yes, that is a published paper...  I'm not seeing anything in the way of peer review, and that "study" looks more like a PR piece than actual scientific study.  I would recommend spending a few minutes educating yourself about what a REAL peer review study is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review
But here is the summary boiled down to the brass tacks:
"Peer review requires a community of experts in a given (and often narrowly defined) field, who are qualified and able to perform impartial review."
The referenced "paper" is nothing more than an interpretation of other reports, has NOT been reviewed by an impartial panel, a has targeted and pre-determined conclusion.  That's not SCIENCE, and that is NOT a peer reviewed paper.

Never the less...  Congratulations are due however.  You indeed have managed to produced a link which did allow me to do further research on the matter.  After pouring through 6 of the papers, and checking THEIR references and credentials of reviewers, the summary of them basically states that very rarely the introduction of a foreign body (be it an RFID chip, a surgical pin, a lego block for that matter, a surgical sponge, or the surgeons wrist watch) can induce a fibrosarcoma (yes, a tumor) in connective tissue due of a surgical incision and/or injection of a foreign body.  Let's say that again:  Introduction of a foreign body, ANY foreign body, can in very rare instances induce a fibrosarcoma.  It doesn't seem to matter what the particular foreign body is.  This has been a known fact for a VERY long time.  What this does NOT prove is that RFID Chips cause tumors.  Don't believe me, do the same research I just did.  ACTUALLY read them, and check the reviewers references.  Are the reviewers impartial?  What are their credentials?  How respected are they in their field?

All the papers attempt to prove is that introduction of a foreign body (ANY foreign body!) can have an adverse reaction in the form of infection or fibrosarcoma.
This is NOT news, and it is NOT unique to RFID chips.

What do you know, sticking something foreign in a living being can have possible unintended side effects.

Your referenced article (oh, sorry, "Peer reviewed paper", NOT!) do NOT prove is that _RFID_Chips_ cause cancer.  The RFID CHIP does NOT!  The IMPLANTATION of a foreign body may, in very rare instances, and has the EXACT same risks as ANY injection or surgery.
mijdtr says: Sep 18, 2010. 8:42 PM
so u say the injection of a rfid has risks well perhaps rare means nonexistent to some people.

"and has the EXACT same risks as ANY injection or surgery."
brenryan says: Sep 9, 2010. 8:32 AM
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Questor says: Sep 9, 2010. 9:54 AM
there were 6 pins and 5 screws surgically embedded in my horse's pelvis and right rear leg. He died. 2 years ago, at 32, of natural causes. The pins and 'bailing wire' were there for about 20 of those years. I have had wire holding my chest together due to By Pass surgery for the last 12 years. I also have 9 stents in my arteries. I am sure that many thousands of people and pets have many miles of wire and pins and pace makers and all sorts of things 'installed' in their bodies. I wonder what the cancer/tumor rate is in all those 'animals' . I would bet my life the numbers are very low. OOPS . . . I DID bet my life on it.
mijdtr says: Sep 18, 2010. 8:44 PM
do all them wires emit or receive rf??
Questor says: Oct 21, 2010. 11:41 AM
most all metallic objects "receive" RF
Das_Wookie says: Sep 9, 2010. 9:20 AM
Lego Blocks don't save your pets life when their collar/tags slip off and they end up in a shelter with 3 days to live before being euthanized, if THAT long.

If I have to choose between the small but POSSIBLE chance of a fibrosarcoma and my pet living and my being able to retrieve them, I'll choose their life saved by a chip... EVERY time.

The simple fact of the matter is, folks wearing their tinfoil hats are going to go on and on and on about possible risks and whatnot.... but here in the REAL world where I live and work daily in animal rescue, chips save lives EVERY day.!

...but, it's a personal decision, and everyone should make it for themselves. I SHOULD have known better than to have been lured into this discussion to start with, and have done my best to refrain and be drawn back into arguing about it from the standpoint of RFID CHIPS ARE EVIL AND THEY SHOULD ALL BE DESTROYED instead of a calm an rational point of that nothing is pure evil or pure good. Everything has benefits and side effects. A chip in your pet MAY cause a fibrosarcoma and yes the chip may wander. There is even a smaller chance that it may cause a health problem due to it interfering with something internal, just as a seed head to spear grass or some other natural item encountered may. These things happen.

There is also the chance that if and when your pet bolts out the front door, or wanders out when a worker leaves a gate open, or neighbor kid accidentally drops a leash, or whatever and they get away and the pet gets picked up by animal control before you can find it... and they scan it... an ID number comes back, they look up that number in the database, find your info you provided, you get a call, and presto... Fido is home and safe again hours later! I see this happen EVERY DAY! Lives saved! If you asked ANY one of those people if they would trade that chip in for a reduced chance of a fibrosarcoma they would think you're insane.
tkjtkj says: Sep 5, 2010. 11:11 AM
your comment: " What this does NOT prove is that RFID Chips cause tumors. " is not true. What would be true is that 'foreign bodies' can cause tumors. The RFID is a foreign implanted body. Therefore, it can cause tumors. Your agreeing that the device is a 'foreign body' within your own context *is* the proof that you require. The only debatable point seems to be the frequency with which such tumors arise. And therefore, licensed practitioners (who are the only people allowed by law to implant devices in the human body) must so advise the recipient of this potential risk. J. anderson, md oh yeah: that's 'Doctorate of Medicine', not the state of Maryland
Dr. dB says: Sep 13, 2010. 6:22 PM
Doc,

I really get irritated at that sort of pedantic, semantic nit-picking! You know very well that what he meant was he wrote: that ANY IMPLANTED OBJECT ITSELF carries a small, but demonstrable, risk of such occurances, but that the "RF" portion of the RFID technology has NEVER ONCE been CONVINCINGLY shown, through ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC METHODS, to be "carcinogenic".
megandf says: Feb 28, 2010. 2:57 AM

 

sorry for some reason the link didn't appear with the text, .. try again ..m

http://www.noble-leon.com/resourcesAdvanced/microchips.html
Das_Wookie says: Feb 28, 2010. 7:42 AM
Single incident reports do not make a case study.

Listen, if RFID chips caused cancer, you would see a pronounced uptake in the number of deaths in animals as well as vets seeing it time and time and time again and start to dissuade people against them.

ANY implantation, be it an RFID chip, surgical pin, sliver of metal, what have you can induce a reaction by the body in an attempt to isolate it.  This is the normal immune system response.  In VERY rare instances, particularly with smooth bodies (for some reason jagged surfaces don't cause this as often), a fibrosarcoma can result because the immune system response goes haywire.  Take a foreign body which has a smooth surface which is made of any substance which would not dissolve, like most plastics and metals, and inject it into a living subject.  There is a VERY small chance that the bodies immune system won't react to it appropriately.  This doesn't have anything to do with the foreign body being an RFID chip with an antenna capable of sending a signal back with a number.

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Lets try breaking this down into an even more simple experiment:

1)  Injection into the subcutaneous fat layer an RFID chip into a statistically large group, say 10,000 dogs.

2)  Take the same sized control group, but this time make the test injection made of the same material and coating of an RFID chip, but this time it is solid material

3)  Take a third similar sized control group, with the RFID pellet having a non-uniform / jagged surface.

4)  Take a third similar sized control group, with the pellet with a non-uniform / jagged surface but again like in group 2 make the pellet a solid material.

Now, monitor these three groups for set intervals of time:  1 week, 1 month, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, and 10 years.

Collect the evidence of this experiment and your conclusions, and then publish the results for an impartial group of your peers to review.  Can a fibrosarcoma occur in those results, sure!  Has there been incidents of fibrosarcoma in groups 1, 2, 3, and 4?  Were these numbers of fibrosarcoma between group 1 and 2 statistically different from those in 3 and 4?  Are these numbers between groups 1 and 3 statistically different from groups 2 and 4?  Was the incident rate reduced in groups 3 and 4?  Can the results be independently reproduced?  Were the two groups large enough to exclude statistical noise?  Was the experiment well designed to produce meaningful data?  THAT is science!  THAT is peer review!  and THAT is the only type of science which can meaningfully support your claim.

What you WILL find is that the incident rates do NOT differ statistically between groups 1 and 2, nor between groups 3 and 4.  Meaning that a non-uniform surface produces less incidents of fibrosarcoma.

You WILL find that the rate is statistically insignificant between groups 1 and 3, and 2 and 4.  Meaning, that RFID chips, regardless of surface composition, is NOT different than a solid slug of material.  You WILL find that the test pellet being an RFID chip does not factor into the incidents of fibrosarcoma.

So, why are RFID chips manufactured with a smooth surface intead of a non-uniform / jagged surface...  cost.  It's very difficult to industrially manufacture non-uniform items in a mechanized fashion.  This adds cost, and while there would be a reduction of fibrosarcoma from the injection of said devices, the incident rate is so incredibly insignificant it wouldn't justify the expense.  Plus, with a non-uniform surface, you stand the risk of the part "migrating" in the body, potentially out of the subcutaneous fat layer into an organ or out of the skin entirely...  how many times have you had a sliver "work itself out" eventually?  This is because it had a non-uniform texture and the motion of cells rubbing against it gradually forced the object to the surface.  Your immune system doesn't "push" it out, it works out on it's own because the barbs and jagged edges cause it to climb out of the body just as a barbed fishhook can only be easily moved in one direction.  A non-uniform surface would induce more problems than it would solve, so, we have smooth surface microchips which stay where they were put (generally, some may have a nick / jagged non-uniform edge and "wander") and can in extremely rare instances can possibly induce a fibrosarcoma...  no different than if said pellet was a useless solid lump of the same material, size, and shape.

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Every one of our animals for my personal pets, and the THOUSANDS of animals (~200 animals a year * 15 years == ~3000 animals) I've helped rescue in the three animal rescue groups I work with (two of which I served on the board of directors for), have ALL had microchips injected into them.  Every Single One of them.  Not ONE animal has had a problem with their chip, and probably 10% of them at one time or another had their lives saved by the microchip when the animals got out.  Many times, new owners don't change the registration of the microchip to them, or they move and don't update it so our rescue gets contacted about the animal trying to locate the owner.  We either notify the owners if we still have valid contact data for them, or we pull them from the shelter and put them on our website, thus far we have always managed to eventually reconnect the dog with the owners.  That's lives saved, BECAUSE of that supposedly evil RFID chip.  Not a single one has developed a fibrosarcoma in the location of the microchip and not a single one has died (I've been doing dog rescue for almost 15 years, which is longer than the lifespan of the breeds I work with which is generally 8 to 12 years) because of a fibrosarcoma induced by said chip, not one.  Next time I'm at the vet tho, I'll ask what his observed incident rate is as he deals with hundreds of animals a month, and would have far more observable evidence to draw conclusions from and a more informed opinion...  but he's injected our last three personal dogs and the hundred or so dogs we've brought him via rescue without nary a pause, and he's VERY cautious and the best vet we've ever had!
Questor says: Sep 9, 2010. 9:59 AM
wouldn't you need a 5th control group with no injection at all ??
tkjtkj says: Sep 5, 2010. 11:23 AM
Your observations are valuable contributions here, but for the record, let us comment upon your views on 'scientific investigation'. To quote you, "You WILL find that the rate is statistically insignificant between groups 1 and 3, and 2 and 4. Meaning, that RFID chips, regardless of surface composition, is NOT different than a solid slug of material." I must compliment you on having such insight into the bio-physical world as not to need experiments. With your profound (and all-too-commonly expressed) ability to know what the results of some experiment "will" be, you will without doubt be able to save investigators much money and time: they need but to ask you for your conclusions, and then be done. No need here to actually do the experiments at all. I dare say your value to society will be rewarded enormously by the gazillions of pharmacy companies who, until now, must spend billions of dollars on unnecessary safety studies.
Dr. dB says: Sep 13, 2010. 6:23 PM
Hmmm... so much for the "be nice" policy....
megandf says: Feb 28, 2010. 10:06 AM

Hi there .. I really don’t need to get into this discussion, but you are obviously wanting to make a point here so let’s see if we can put the issue to bed. As far as I myself am concerned, I don’t have a problem accepted the argument you put forward, in essence it is that ... any foriegn body injected under the skin has the potention to result in a sarcoma .. I accept that .. so your point is, this does not mean that because the alien body is a chip ( RFID, passive, active, or inoperative) it is more likely to produce cancer. .. I accept that, even though some people suspect or feel that the evidence they have might substantiate such a suspicion. .. That leave us with just one point to tidy up .. can injecting a chip under the surface of the skin result in a cancer? .. and I think we have already agreed that it can, so .. it would follow that it would be better not to inject/ place foriegn bodies into living organisms, animals/people. I think we would both agree on that. The point you wish to make about weighing up the balance, whether having the animal safeguarded by use of the chip, should be a personal decision, but I accept (health issues to one side) that it is a good thing to be able to re-establish a lost pet to it’s owner. However the injection or placement of a chip beneath the skin isn’t the only way to accomplish this.

There is just one more thing I want to mention. From what I understand when my dogs were chipped, they had smooth chips (ordinary bioglass) which migrated, shortly afterwards verichip began using a bio-coating to stop this problem. My vet told me that the bio-coating was exactly that, a seperate coating on the chip causing the body tissue to grow onto it to prevent the migration. If this is indeed so, in the tests and data under discussion has this been taken into account, the possibility that chips with different characteristics may be involved?.

Now it’s been fun, but I hope someone else will take over where I have left off because I need to get back to my work .. meg

willyminnix says: Feb 27, 2010. 6:51 PM
If you go to the FDA's website and look up info on RFID's it explicitly states that RFID's are know to possibly cause cancer in animals and humans. That's the FDA who approved the use of them in humans. I think you can't  get a more peer reviewed group out there.
Das_Wookie says: Feb 27, 2010. 7:46 PM
Oh well, since you say so, it MUST be true </sarcasm>

Once again, please furnish a peer reviewed reference one can examine for themselves and reach an informed conclusion by, if you want to be taken seriously.

The burden of proof is not mine to debunk the (false) statement that "RFID chips cause cancer."  They do not.  Also, the burden of proof is on the person claiming that the chips do by providing evidence which support that theory.  I would refer you to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method for examples of how this process is supposed to work:  "Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses."

Anybody can claim any ol' thing they want to.  Doing so doesn't make it true, and pointing to a marketing puff piece dressed up to look like science isn't science simply because they reference a lot of studies.  Studies that do NO support their claims I might add.  The burden of proof is on those who refute the theory to prove it wrong.  Only ONE piece of evidence to the contrary disproves the whole theory.  Period.  That's how it works, and is what makes science so great!  Only the best theories survive the test of peer reviewed SCIENCE!  Thus far, no one has been able to provide a single piece of scientific EVIDENCE as to support this hypothisis that the chips cause cancer.  They do not, and no-one has been able to prove they do...  not even once.  {shrug}

And yes...  I _did_ try searching the FDA site for evidence to support your claim.  I didn't find anything.  If you would care to furnish said paper tho, I would appreciate it.  I'm betting no such article exists however.

willyminnix says: Feb 28, 2010. 12:40 PM
Here it is: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072191.pdf

It lists adverse tissue reaction as a possible side effect. I did a cursory search for Adverse Tissue Reaction, and found a lot of sites that explain it, but this was from a UK medical journal that summed it up pretty well:

What is a serious adverse reaction (SAR)?

A serious adverse reaction is defined as "an unintended response, including a communicable disease, in a donor of tissue or cells intended for human application or a recipient of tissue or cells, which may be associated with the procurement or human application of tissue or cells and which is fatal, life-threatening, disabling, incapacitating or which results in, or prolongs, hospitalization or morbidity."

http://www.hta.gov.uk/licensingandinspections/faqsonseriousadverseeventsandadversereactions.cfm

Of course  the word "cancer" isn't stated, but as most doctors will tell you "cancer" is a generic term for a variety of illnesses, each with different and varied factors which lead to the cancer. The fact that the FDA states that there could be an ATR, which, as we can see from the UK site, could potentially lead to death, should cause some concern.


Das_Wookie says: Sep 14, 2010. 6:44 PM
:) Did you READ the study you cited? Yes, it lists Adverse Tissue Reaction as a POSSIBLE side effect (Page 6, Section 3, Risks To Health, Identified Risk, Adverse Tissue Reaction) of which it lists three mitigation measures:
Biocompatibility - See Mitigations Section A
Sterility - See Mitigations Section J
Labeling - See Mitigations Section L

All three of these mitigations are standard for medical devices and would be the same for anything implanted, be it a surgical screw, pace maker, or yes, an RFID chip.

Also, the cited risk, and your cited explanation are not for the same two medical problems. "Adverse Tissue Reaction" != "Serious Adverse Reaction". The devils in the details.
megandf says: Feb 19, 2010. 1:44 PM
hi there .. thanks for your comments, I was interested in this because my dog had a cancer close to the transponder, no proof that it was the cause but of course I shall always wonder.
Here is a link that you will find much more interesting, I didn't read all of the paper, (full paper) .. http://www.scribd.com/doc/944125/Albrecht-Microchip-Cancer-Full-Paper  peer review
Dr. dB says: Sep 13, 2010. 7:22 PM
...and STILL we have no mention (at least, in the synopsis linked above) of ANYBODY putting inert-placebo modules directly up against "active" RFID capsules in any blind or double-blind fashion to PROVE, SCIENTIFICALLY, one way or the other, whether it's the actual RF pingers causing the problem or merely the PRESENCE of ANY "foreign object" injected under the skin! Perhaps the “Full Report” contains more of what we seek, but all we have in this “synopsis” is a summary of a meta-study of 11 other studies, rife with incomplete or misleading "data" (OK, so, in 2004 and 2006, Vascellari found 1 dog got cancer - OUT OF HOW MANY? Oh, that's right, THAT vital bit of info is conveniently ABSENT from the chart - "N/A" - What? That's "science"?!?) and “conclusions” which are, at best, highly debatable because, when FACTS are not available, OPINIONS can and will be freely substituted… There are plenty of VALID reasons NOT to let governments or corporations implant humans, willy-nilly. MAYBE the POTENTIAL carcinogenic effects of such implants is one more of them… then again, maybe not…. I’m just completely UN-convinced that the kind of “RF terror” demonstrated in this thread is justified by the FACTS gathered so far! Right alongside DAS_WOOKIE, I am completely CONVINCED that the matter bears more, FACTUAL investigation, not by paranoid, delusional schizophrenics, not by further meta-analyses of anecdotal nonsense, not by Public Relations stooges, nor even by implantable-transponder salesmen, but by QUALIFIED, UNBIASED SCIENTISTS!
tkjtkj says: Sep 14, 2010. 7:06 AM
Your comments here, in your demands to see what you call 'valid scientific results' reveal considerable ignorance of the limits of clinical medicine. By your requirements you have set up conditions that are either impossible or unethical to meet. Clinical medicine does not, cannot, include rigorous science methodology for reasons that must be obvious: you simply cannot run amok injecting people with devices to prove this or that without being approved by Committees on Medical Ethics.
Dr. dB says: Sep 14, 2010. 5:56 PM
...and, once again, stepping well outside what was actually said, to put YOUR words into MY keyboard so you can successfully knock-down the “straw man” YOU created. To the contrary, even though I’m not an “MD”, but merely a lowly engineer, I still know quite a lot about "...the limits of clinical medicine...", the exigencies of medical ethics AND the stringency of the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. (I also know quite a lot about RF technologies, since many of the forms of engineering I practice involve transmitters, with outputs ranging from a few nanowatts, like RFIDs, up to half-megawatt UHF monstrosities.) Neither DAS_WOOKIE nor I have EVER advocated that anyone "...run amok injecting people with devices to prove this or that ...". (In fact, as I said in another reply in this thread, there are PLENTY of VALID reasons to NEVER allow governments and corporations to implant-tag people at will, or “for commerce”…) What we’re trying to get across is, given that THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PETS (and lab-rats) have ALREADY been injected with ACTIVE devices, a vast body of raw data already exists from which one might begin to draw logical conclusions, IF that information were to be coupled with a little blind or double-blind testing of placebo devices injected under the same circumstances, and it disappoints us that, to date, NO ONE seems to have bothered even COLLECTING those data, let alone putting together a CLINICALLY TRUSTWORTHY synthesis of same. Now, in no way can I claim to have read ALL the literature available on this subject – the list of “studies” I haven’t seen would probably fill a file cabinet (…just the LIST, not even the “reports” themselves!) – perhaps the promoters of such devices are, indeed, the “Spawn of Satan”, trying to enslave the world, and lied through their teeth to the FDA to get their poison “approved”, or perhaps these products are utterly harmless, and everybody’s up-in-arms over nothing. It may well be that conclusive, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE proving the truth of the matter once and for all is out there, somewhere, and we’ve (I’ve – forgive me if I type out-of-turn on your behalf, WOOKIE…) simply not found it (yet). If so, I’m pretty sure both WOOKIE and I will gladly accept the result, when and if we run across it, WHATEVER it may be, relieved to have finally gotten an ANSWER, instead of the current welter of OPINIONS, ANECDOTES and HYSTERIA! Certainly, the “evidence” SEEMS to indicate there’s SOMETHING going on, but WHAT it is can’t be determined from the paucity of information available (…to me, at least…) at the moment. Certainly, there SEEM to be enough suspicious outcomes to STOP doing this to humans until we figure it out! However, every so-called “report” or “study” I’ve seen so far (…so far – bear that in mind!) has NOT been rigorous “science”, but emotion-goading “pseudo-science”, choked with implied this and insinuated that and intimated the other, pushing a pre-determined agenda without presenting one single, solitary bit of provable, repeatable, SCIENTIFICALLY-GATHERED FACT to support their contentious position! Having seen, over the course of just my own limited lifetime, hundreds of so-called “studies” on various subjects turn out, “…upon further review…”, to be unmitigated “snake oil”, I hope you’ll forgive me if I’m just a TRIFLE skeptical about the results of “studies” conducted (or, at least, wholly-funded) by “interested parties”, from EITHER side – in this case, by grieving pet owners on the one hand, and by implantable-transponder-industry “marketeers” on the other. I rarely believe ANY of ‘em, until they have been PEER-REVIEWED by people who, at least, give a great ILLUSION of being impartial (…and even THEN, sometimes I still just HAFTA go and “stick my finger in the socket”, anyways, just to make REALLY sure they’re not scammin’ me…).
tkjtkj says: Sep 14, 2010. 8:06 PM
Yes, i concede, that you know much .. more than enough to be dangerous...
Dr. dB says: Sep 17, 2010. 11:29 AM
“Dangerous”? To whom? Purveyors of “snake oil”, perhaps…? I’m simply advocating a “…test-tubes and Bunsen burners…” treatment of this issue, while you (so far, anyway), seem to be taking more of a “…torches and pitchforks…” approach – who’s “dangerous”? Maybe I’m unusual in this, but I’d usually rather be dazzled with brilliance (“Here’s that definitive report – sorry it took so long, but it conclusively proves that RFID implants do / don’t cause cancer under these / those conditions.”) than baffled with BS (“Well, my sister’s cousin’s brother twice removed once knew a guy whose osteopath adjusted a lady whose neighbor had dinner with a nice couple from out of town whose dog died of cancer after getting one of those implant thingies!”). If you find my preference for repeatable, verifiable facts over unsubstantiated anecdotes and opinions to be “dangerous”, then I take it as a compliment. Thank you very much!
scarred_chipless says: Feb 16, 2010. 6:16 PM
Hey Das
Go to "talking it over@moody.edu.  An interview w/ Kathreen Albreck.  She has researched this and will prove the point!
Das_Wookie says: Feb 17, 2010. 1:36 PM
An RFD is the "Mark of the Beast"?!?!  Give me a break.  That was a TOTAL waste of 1 hour of my life I'll never get back.

Serves me right to even have considered giving y'all the benefit of the doubt and trying to understand your reasoning and arguments to the contrary.

When you have some SCIENTIFIC evidence from PEER REVIEWED research, let me know... 'till then, keep your tinfoil hat thoughts to yourself... and stop trying to get pets KILLED by telling people microchips are unsafe for pets!
ewawni says: Dec 29, 2011. 7:55 AM
a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still!!
Dr. dB says: Sep 13, 2010. 7:34 PM
@DAS_WOOKIE – You’re not alone, pal. I’d also like to see some FACTUAL DATA down the middle on this subject, not just RFID industry puff pieces at one end of the spectrum and “signs of the apocalypse” doom-saying at the other. And I’m sure there’s a whole lot more like us out there. However, amicus curiae (below) is quite correct – the corrupt, psychotic Reagan and Bush regimes slashed the FDA’s budget to the point where they could hardly “test” anything themselves, and had to rely on the industries they’re supposed to be regulating to “play nice” and NOT lie through their teeth for fun and profit at every opportunity… that is, when the political hacks those so-called “presidents” appointed weren’t just blatantly taking massive bribes to pass-off any old poison as “conditionally approved”….
amicus curiae says: Sep 8, 2010. 7:13 AM
there IS no peer reviewed info as the companies got them passed with their own shoddy trials, if you read the time spans?
only one or two dogs had them in place for more than a short time.
not the 10 to 15 years a normal animal lives.
vets are NOT required to report either.
and unless its a known site, many owneres wouldnt think to ask for a complete biopsy of the tumour IF they can afford the bill for removal anyway.
boocat says: Sep 5, 2010. 2:33 PM
Here's "The Mark of the Beast": Saint John of Patmos misinterpreted his vision because he was from such a primitive culture. All he saw were fingerprints and retinal scans, which he couldn't possibly have understood.
dombeef says: Apr 9, 2009. 8:07 PM
Really?
andysuth says: Oct 27, 2008. 3:33 AM
Is it your dog? Do you know the location of the chip? I could tell you how to find it, but would fear for the dog! Why not take the dog to your local vets and ask the ID chip be removed? Personally, I'd keep it in there, just in case the dog runs off (quite common around 5th november), it's easier to find, people like RSPCA will scan the dog to see if they know it's owner/vet and return via that information. -AS
BMWalsh says: May 5, 2009. 10:02 PM
November the 5th... lol
andysuth says: Feb 22, 2011. 12:27 AM
"Remember remember November the fifth...."

Doesn't quite work.

(posted 56:26:08:22/02/2011)
merseyless says: Nov 11, 2008. 11:33 PM
dont you get it! whack the dog with a hammer! (apparently the most covert way to do it) or if that doesn't suit you then just stab, slice or microwave it. joking! I'd just keep it there unless pedophiles are following your dog
beehard44 says: Feb 6, 2010. 5:41 AM
not a hammer, not a jackhammer, it would be more effective with a WRECKING BALL a.k.a. Giant Iron Ball of DOOM!
(imagines ball hitting poor pooch at lightning speeds, pooch flies away from california all the way to iraq and gets shot by some stupid doushebag holding an RPG)
Saturn V says: Aug 29, 2010. 11:07 AM
Poor dog.
itsm3again says: May 7, 2009. 3:15 PM
XD ahahahaha that is the funniest thing i have read all week
frikkie says: Apr 20, 2009. 2:11 AM
hahahahahah yeah!
PKTraceur says: Jan 27, 2009. 5:55 PM
That made my day. LoL, (PS, I have a dog, that just made me lol... really...) ~~RoAr
milo0is0hot0 says: Nov 14, 2008. 11:51 AM
LOL
andysuth says: Nov 12, 2008. 1:02 PM
thanks. I'm not sure that whacking the whole dog with the hammer would help with this guy's attempt to remove the chip from the dog. Show some sympathy, if you read on, you can see aliens are remote controlling his dog and spying on him for the CIA. I do wonder how one got in his dog, or how he obtained his dog as he clearly doens't agree with the RFID technology, so he wouldn't have planted it himself. -AS
merseyless says: Dec 4, 2008. 2:32 AM
it's a conspiracy get this (insert hippy voice here) its a conspiracy man, the government is planting dogs to spy on the people of the world... man. I've already fixed some dogs with tinfoil man... ya wanna donate?
beehard44 says: Feb 6, 2010. 5:42 AM
man that sent me ROFLing
evilmadcow says: Jul 22, 2011. 12:21 PM
heck, think geek has more than wallets
vvgsh says: Jul 5, 2011. 3:44 AM
I'll try to break my passport with a hammer!
Photo become unreadable...((
techno guy says: Jun 16, 2011. 5:21 PM
Wouldn't hitting it with a hammer possibly smash the item containing the chip therefore leaving evidence?
op_timus says: Jun 15, 2011. 2:33 AM
F&%£ THE CHIP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Dr6poEl_0
Goldenserenity says: Jun 10, 2011. 6:03 PM
I dunno...my one dog has had her chip now for about 6 years, and she has yet to develop any problems with it. I just recently chipped my 4 year old pit bull / lab, and she didn't even squirm or yelp when it was put in. I mentioned the cancer from having a chip to the vet and he said that is the most ridiculous thing he has ever heard. I trust that it will do nothing to her except find her should she get loose.

On the other hand, I will never agree to have one implanted into me. I refuse to be tracked 24/7.

emerson.john says: May 23, 2011. 5:35 AM
1. Wrap your items containing transponder chips in foil.
2. Patent an adhesive-backed foil skin patch to place over the sub-dermal transponder as a Faraday shield, get rich.
3. Instructable readers will claim the foil patch causes cancer.
4. Eek.
FB2 says: May 4, 2011. 8:53 PM
Nice name! <3 that book although it always pissed me off when they called RFID's
"arphids". just made me insane.
jakebaldwin says: May 18, 2011. 8:53 PM
The fact that you noticed that is soooo awesome... LOVE that book.
aloirã says: Apr 23, 2011. 11:20 PM
**** PLEASE HELP ****


My dog has a microchip (standard pet chip which is ISO RFID chip operating at 125khz inserted just under the skin between the shoulder blades) and I have fears we are being watched / recorded / studied due to this - and alot of the research Ive done on the subject has lead me to find lots of stories of tracking / tracing / research and other breaches of privacy due to these pet chips. I no longer agree with the idea of my dog having this "chip" active inside him.

I have enquired at my vet about removal, which is not possible and even if I found someone who would do it, due to his extremely small size, the anaesthetic needed to operate under is more likely to kill him, and he has a high risk of infection on the area - I will not put his life at risk - surgery is not an option. Is there anyway I can deactivate / destroy / disable the RFID chip, without injuring my dog?

PLEASE HELP

Thankyou so much for taking the time to read this!
DrDontDoDis says: May 17, 2011. 6:00 AM
My dog has a chip as well, and I feel prety secue about it. It's passive and only transmitts radio waves if it is scanned. Basically it's like a radio with a remote pushbutton 'on' switch.

However, if you do wish to destroy the chip for any reason and you can't remove it surgically, a powerful EM burst should do it. This could be done by connecting enough capacitors in parallel with a coil and switch. Charge the capacitors, place the coil as close to the tag as possible, and flip the switch. If the pulse is powerful enough (ie. enough turns in the coil and enough capacitance in the capacitors), the RFID chip's antenna will pick up too much power and the device will short. Use an RFID reader (borrowed or built) to check your work.
margaretschutz says: Apr 25, 2011. 6:26 PM
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wiretapped says: Apr 29, 2011. 4:38 PM
RFID Chips can be read with 900MHz, 2.4MHz and more. They are programmable and function because they reside in a living body. Our bodies have enough conductivity to keep them active, even if they are so called "Passive".

Cancer - Tumors - yeah. Think about your tissue being heated up around these little chips. The heating alone is abnormal and can cause tumors and why not cancer. After all if you don't remove a tumor it can turn cancerous - No?

For REAL LIFE information you can see for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY75w7nlbJk&feature=channel_video_title
teddlesruss says: Mar 24, 2011. 7:30 AM
I recall seeing some device made with a camera flash? That might pose less danger than microwaving?
wiren says: Oct 1, 2010. 2:28 PM
The right (objective) view on RFID and cancer:

Classic RFID cards do not pose any risk , it's such a small power and it's at least in your hand when in use. And hands doesn't have cells, that can mutate, except for skin ones, that are pretty resistant.

Implanted ones can pose a risk , because their location does not change, so when often in use, they can 'possibly ' mutate stem cells around the chip, when used often.


US Government intentions:
- Use a medical records and system as a cause and as a testing stage for a state-wide implementation
- While implanting chips, develop and test tracking mechanisms
- Then use it for security purposes
- Then use it to track all movement, things, transactions, whole lifes
- Aka 'Mark of The Beast'


RFID will open a 'new' era , as computers did, when developed enough. (This 'sentence' is my personal thought, beside the rest, based on facts)

If you seek more info, Youtube and internet will tell you about New World Order (NVO) plans. Some of them are not true, some of them are little or more 'hyped', but most are true facts.

And about Obama: For him it's better not to resist the NVO plans. Noone want 'serious' problems.

Power corrupts. And absolut power corrupts absolutely.
Hope it (whole text) sums it all.
rfid.jpg
GonzoLives says: Mar 3, 2011. 9:08 PM
I agree with everything except (maybe) that Obama shouldn't resist the New World Order. Unless you mean what I THINK you mean, which is probably true. When I think of that snarky slob, Cheney up there with his oligarchy....! Yes, folks, DO check this out on YouTube and Democrats.com, among other furtive places.

And yeah, they are already tracking our medical records and far more, and when the whole thing merges, like Robert Patrick's silvery globules in Terminator II, we'll WISH the computers had taken over instead.

To the person who quoted something from a government site (well, they always tell The Truth, right?)...I'm sure a person with a fried RFID passport will be allowed back into the country, but only after an invasive gonad-imaging or prison-style cavity search.
metrogdor22 says: Oct 30, 2010. 9:53 AM
About your "Mark of the Beast" thing. In the Bible, the mark of the beast goes on the right arm, or forehead, right? I could put an RFID chip in my foot, and it would work just the same as anywhere else. Thank you for thinking out your opinion, unlike the other people one here who know only the poison the media feeds. Regardless of if it's implanted or not, RFID will definitely become a part of our society one day. It's already replacing the magnetic strip on some credit/debit cards. I probably wont be implanted with one(if I did, I would want it in my right hand, just because I'm right-handed. But then I would get a bunch of flak from people thinking its the mark of the beast. And I wont be inconvenienced to put it in my left hand, or anywhere else). But thank you again, for your opinion :)
rugerio says: May 9, 2011. 7:06 AM
Its my guess that the MARK of The Beast is actually a World Currency which can be either a credit card, Money itself or simply a Bank Account accessible by an RFID chip or whatever.


Everyone Uses Money? Right?

You can't BUY OR SELL without it ? Right?

It can either be in your hand. MONEY/CASH. Right?

OR IN YOUR HEAD.? Right?

Well Are n't credit cards already in your head?
You remember your Pin Number? Right. Where's that memory but inside your head?
They don't need to be an implnat which is physically inside 'em do they?

They just have to be Universally accepted as Currency. That's all you need.

How else could those in the Third World and indeed anyone who uses Money not then be affected by it?
Was n't the MARK the Currency of Germany?

wiren says: Dec 10, 2010. 10:15 AM
Nope, the real chance to mutate a number of cells, which will evolve in a cancer is 'extremely' low, because white blood cells would eliminate them right afterward.

But even if that occurs, there are of course some malfunctions or rare health problems, that weakens white blood cells, hence the posible, but rare cancer problem.
matzo333 says: Nov 21, 2010. 8:35 AM
Wouldn't it be better to get it in your left hand, so if it gives you cancer/it gets infected/the government goes crazy and tracks everyone's actions/etc. and you lose/cut off your hand so the cancer/infection doesn't spread/the government can't track you, you still have your writing hand?
wiren says: Dec 10, 2010. 10:09 AM
Nope, the real chance to mutate a number of cells, which will evolve in a cancer is 'extremely' low, because white blood cells would eliminate them right afterward.

But even if that occurs, there are of course some malfunctions or rare health problems, that weakens white blood cells, hence the posible, but rare cancer problem.
Kwitmeh3 says: Nov 29, 2010. 9:32 PM
But I'm left handed...
macman808 says: Dec 9, 2010. 7:54 PM
so am I=)
matzo333 says: Dec 4, 2010. 1:19 PM
now it makes sense... But you originally said you were right-handed.
Kwitmeh3 says: Dec 5, 2010. 5:34 PM
Excuse me, I'm gonna go get my nice foil hat.......
wiren says: Dec 10, 2010. 10:43 AM
Limit the use of wireless apliances like wi-fi and cordless phone. 2400Mhz and around affects micellanious water containg cells. It's confirmed to cause fatal damage to trees in time of months. Think about it...

Um.. and put your phone to at least 2.5 metres distance from your head when you sleep, or if you must have phone in bed, put it at least in your knees. Mobile phones does disturb sleep cycles. (confirmed)

Try it yourself, I must admit it is true. Why not.. Tesla had plans for some 'kind of electromagnetic' long range weapon. He burnt the plans, thank God.
king kolton9 says: Apr 15, 2011. 1:00 PM
Nikola Tesla also had death ray plans, that i don't think he burned... 0_o
Kwitmeh3 says: Dec 10, 2010. 2:24 PM
So how much does it affect sleep cycles?
wiren says: Dec 10, 2010. 5:23 PM
It depends on person, some people may not recognize it, but still the sleep will be worse. If I forgot phone next to my head I wake up in hour or so, move it to the knees and sleep till morning, getting up late :D

I'm sorry, but I don't remember more facts, other than that mobile phone next to head caused brain frequency scan really differ at the side, where the phone was.

Transmit power for mobile phone was up to 3Watts a decade back,
but law worldwide controls and enforces limits due to issue beforesaid.


Power:

Wi-fi: tens of milliwats
Mobile phone: circa 1.0 to 1.8 Watts ... Think about it :D
Kwitmeh3 says: Dec 10, 2010. 7:50 PM
Well, ima keep livin' till i die!...
NozeDive says: Jan 31, 2011. 10:28 AM
I'm not sure if I commented in this thread yet, but if I haven't, i'd like to add that it is possible to construct a small EMP device that can fry these little buggers.

At a "dollar store", you can buy a disposable flash camera. You can remove the flash bulb, and replace it with a step up voltage converter. I'm actually not sure if you use the entire converter, or just one coil. Google can help you there.

When you "fire" the device, it will generate current in any conductor within its range. Good for frying RFID tags, but can also kill your cell, tv, computer, credit card, etc.

Also, high voltage and current is dangerous, blah blah blah.
weirdalyanksyou1 says: Nov 21, 2010. 12:19 AM
one thing with rfid tags is that they only store a "Serial number" they dont actualy hold data they just tell the computer which file to look up but in any case i do like this
fezrock says: Jan 30, 2011. 6:03 PM
The data they can hold grows by leaps every year. They are far "smarter" now than you give them credit for. However most tags are used for tracking consumer products- chain of custody and logistics streamlining stuff. Identification uses with smarter chips will prove very useful one day, but I do still keep a cautious eye on possible abuses of this convenience.
wiren says: Dec 10, 2010. 10:59 AM
Today cou have internet, so central data storage and manipulation is much much faster, cheaper, complex.

RFID is good, if not abused.. and you know the gov. .. :D
miscontrer says: Feb 20, 2010. 8:53 PM
do cars have this devise
metrogdor22 says: Oct 30, 2010. 10:06 AM
Some cars have active RFID chips. Although they're not really "chips" in active RFID. They're bigger,
dallasgoldbug says: Nov 21, 2010. 2:57 PM
They had talked about them being inside the window stickers (registration etc) and as the vehicle passed a pylon or entered a parking lot with pylons at the entrance, or an cop could drive by a bunch of cars and pick out who was not current or had invalid status. Even so far as to run warrant checks on the registered owner as they passed by cars on the hwy.
nutsandbolts_64 says: Jan 7, 2011. 8:48 PM
According to that guy: RFID = convenience and invasion of privacy. Since the camera is associated with spying which equates to invasion of privacy, hence, the camera was associated with the RFID chip.
ScottSEA says: Nov 29, 2010. 9:50 AM
So just to be clear, the picture of the camera has what exactly to do with RFID?
nutsandbolts_64 says: Jan 7, 2011. 8:43 PM
According to that guy: RFID = convenience and invasion of privacy. Since the camera is associated with spying which equates to invasion of privacy, hence, the camera was associated with the RFID chip.
op_timus says: Nov 26, 2010. 5:21 AM
F@%$ THE CHIP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Dr6poEl_0
jamwaffles says: Nov 28, 2010. 6:26 AM
Brilliant! XD
tinkerist says: Nov 27, 2010. 4:32 PM
could you kill one with a strongish EMP?
jamwaffles says: Nov 28, 2010. 6:24 AM
Yes you could - that's how tags are disabled in clothes shops, for example - the barcode scanner has another circuit that blasts the RFID chip to kingdom come.
dallasgoldbug says: Sep 25, 2010. 7:07 PM
don't forget that they can be tracked by satellite as well (this is fact). I cant believe Obama care is so blatant to make it mandatory that you get chipped with the reason being so your Dr can retrieve your records faster. BULL.
metrogdor22 says: Oct 30, 2010. 10:03 AM
Again, this is active RFID. While I don't agree with Obama on hardly anything, I haven't heard anything about mandatory chipping. Please tell me where you got it from.
dallasgoldbug says: Nov 21, 2010. 2:55 PM
its about page 1004 where it talks about class 2 implantable chips
digitallyinsane says: Aug 19, 2009. 2:21 PM
Passive RFID is triggered at approximately 3 inches, but there are some readers that can read all the way out to around 20 feet in a sterile environment. Throw a couple RFID sources in the same area, and wham, too much interference. My Passport CARD, not my booklet, Credit card, not my ATM, and access badge for work all have RFID, all passive, and at slightly different frequency returns. My work badge for instance doesn't trigger the 'tap here' credit card swipe and my credit card doesn't make my work door light up like an unauthorized badge. My passport card has the telltale square just like the other two, but it won't scan anywhere, so I assume it's a different wavelength. I laminated a piece of tin foil with clear packing tape, cut it into credit card sized slices and put it in the pockets before and after my cards in my wallet. Cheapest, readily avaliable solution. Tried the solution on my work badge to get in the door, in the wallet without the tin foil scanned and worked, with the tin foil didn't scan and didn't let me in. I repeated the test at the gas station with my credit card, so I know it works with different wavelength RFID. I'm convinced.
metrogdor22 says: Oct 30, 2010. 10:08 AM
Thanks for the info. You said a "sterile" environment. Airports, McDonalds, and most other public places don't scream "sterile" to me...
Nyxius says: Apr 15, 2010. 3:13 PM
Tin foil had better work.  Foil is susceptible to the hall effect, which effectively negates any attempt to transmit electromagnetic energy (depending on the thickness of the foil).  Only higher frequencies and field strengths can penetrate foil. Fields of that strength would fry a normal unprotected RFID tag.  Faraday cages use this to shield sensitive equipment.   Each tag had a serial code, and validates the code by including a time stamp.  This is why each card can only be used for one type of reader.  To see how simple if is to spoof see the following link: www.instructables.com/id/Stupid-Simple-Arduino-LF-RFID-Tag-Spoofer/

summary: Foil acts as a simple Faraday cage and as such can be used to shield almost any weak data signal.
Superstormj says: Nov 22, 2010. 1:22 PM
I guess you can say their plan has been foiled.
bwahahaha..
Nyxius says: Apr 15, 2010. 3:14 PM
Also, Doritos bag work nicely.  Yay for Doritos!
Morganbarker says: Apr 4, 2010. 5:02 PM
 Tinfoil can be used for more than just hat making!
matzo333 says: Sep 6, 2010. 12:57 PM
If you have an RFID programmer, you could also zero out the data contained on the chip. that way there's no way to tell whether someone erased it or an incompetent employee forgot to program it when the passport was issued!
metrogdor22 says: Oct 30, 2010. 10:01 AM
Someone could just as easily erase your credit card data with a magnetic strip decoder. No matter how innocent you make something, there are always going to be people who ruin it for those that use it for the right purposes.
CodySteed says: Sep 28, 2010. 8:50 AM
BUT if you "kill" the RFID in your passport, it will be invalid. So next time you enter the US, ummm perhaps you will be "security screened"...

Ya kno?

the RFID chip in the passport is specifically used to validate it.

I just renewed my passport, and they sent me an RFID blocking envelope to carry it in. Same with the New Passport Card.
ajsims says: Nov 18, 2010. 1:43 PM
Wrong.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_2788.html

"If the chip fails, the passport remains a valid travel document until its expiration date. You will continue to be processed by the port-of-entry officer as if you had a passport without a chip."
Teslaling says: Sep 10, 2010. 1:54 PM
The problem is you want to block it, not destroy it. U can try that if u want to destroy the chip.
matzo333 says: Nov 21, 2010. 8:29 AM
It wouldn't destroy the chip itself, just the data within the chip. If you think you might want to use the chip later on, you could always back it up to a few different floppies, a CD, your hard drive, and a few hard copies of the raw HEX data before you wipe it. Having that many backup places is so if any of them fail, you can use the others, and if all the floppies, CDs, and your hard drive fail, you can just type the raw HEX data into a HEX editor. When you get a good backup file, just flash it and it works again! (^__^)
milo0is0hot0 says: Nov 14, 2008. 11:58 AM
In the uk we have Oyster cards that we touch on to a reader to pay for the bus and train. does this have a rfid chip in it??? (my guess is it does) thanks
Dr.Bill says: Oct 29, 2010. 2:06 AM
we got something like that to pay the tolls on the highway on the fly
anubreed says: Dec 18, 2008. 6:03 AM
you should know that in the u.k. these devices along with many other servallince equipment are widely used. more so then any other place on earth. it seems to me that the u.k. is a testing ground for hightech bigbrother activity
milo0is0hot0 says: Dec 18, 2008. 10:43 AM
tell me about it...i pass way more than 300 cctv cameras every day!!! lets not even start on conspirecies and citizen control...you can tell someone all the places they have ever used there oyster....crazy!!!
Dr.Bill says: Oct 29, 2010. 2:08 AM
Taiwan has chipped ID cards that register you when ever you go into a building in the city.
Don't get caught without it !
Fasteners says: Jan 5, 2009. 8:12 AM
CCTV helps to capture rapists and discourage criminal activity. Big Brother Big Smother... who cares.
matzo333 says: Dec 4, 2010. 1:29 PM
big SMOTHER is right! they're jumping to use RFID for EVERYTHING and replacing the previous technology. they don't realize that RFID for this purpose is still in its infancy and that they need a redundant technology to fall back on in case the RFID fails, it's like when you buy a DVD that has an RFID theft device and the incompetent cashier forgets to kill it when he scans it. you go through the door and BEEEEP! it triggers the sensor. they dn't automatically detain you, they check the receipt against the contents of your cart first, and they see that your DVD set it off, but it's on your receipt.
mijdtr says: Sep 18, 2010. 8:53 PM
you, along with every person needs to care my friend. think ahead like our forefathers did.
omnibot says: Jan 7, 2009. 4:56 AM
omnibot says: Jan 7, 2009. 4:49 AM
I just have to state my opinion in this .. Most rapes does not occur outdoors but in peoples homes, often the victims home. As for preventing criminal activity .. why is it that I never hear of crimes solved by cctv except for in bank-robbery's and store-burglary's? Here in Sweden we've gotten cctv survailance for a few years. It doesn't do anything. Lot's of crimes happen in front of the camera but few ever get caught, mostly because the police lack resources or the pictures don't help. I believe it's just a bad excuse for not dealing with the real social issues that cause criminal behaviour in citizens. The one thing that does help is tracking the cellphones around the crimescene.
milo0is0hot0 says: Jan 5, 2009. 2:33 PM
it is not good to accept being watched...i am not saying you should hate cctv and other big brother stuff or be scared of it because it has a need (i use cctv to protect my bussiness) such as catching rapists but my point is that you are left with little privacy and nothing you do goes unmonitored or recorded this is not good would you like every second of your life to be monitored in some way??? because if everybody accepts the extensive use of cctv they will except the use of cctv with audio (the audio can hear a pin drop rom over 500meters away) there is some audio devices that can hear a pin drop from over a mile!!! the proposed devices are the 500m ones they could hear you talking anywhere...in a park in an alley anywhere...then you might start accepting other far more extreme survalence equipmetn such as id cards...con intended just understand that cctv can and does invade peoples privacy it also protects...
xerxesx20 says: Nov 16, 2008. 7:26 PM
viligeidiot says: Sep 9, 2010. 3:22 PM
Hi there... just wanted to put 2 cents in as far as the 'cancer' argument goes. Putting a foreign object into the body that is NOT made of inert surgical steel, may OR may not cause the body to attack it. When the body DOES attack it, the result is usually a 'growth' around the object to either eat it or expel it.
Now onto cancer... cancer is an abnormal cell division with unchecked growth that adversely affects health. I'm not saying these chips will cause cancer, but if you stuff something into your body with the POTENTIAL to cause adverse immune reactions, don't be surprised if some people end up with it.
One reason they are being used on pets is to show a large test group and promote safety of the devices..... one thing NOT mentioned, is that the lifespan of the pets is not very condusive to potentially developing cancer as some cancers take decades to develop..... so if you chip your kids lets say... it might take 40-50 YEARS to develop and by that time I'll bet they say it could be 'anything' other than the chip unless its one giant tumor with the chip in the center.
Last comment... some peoples immune systems are far more sensitive than others and no one can definitively predict when one or an others is going to go haywire over these things without more research.
KJenkinsAF says: Sep 10, 2010. 3:52 AM
Not to mention that RF over time has been shown to cause abnormal cell growth. The VA recently awarded service connection for certain cancers in veterans who fly/flew on airborne radio transmitters (Looking Glass, NAOC, ALCC, AF1)
metrogdor22 says: Oct 3, 2010. 12:00 PM
Thats not the same RF as is in RFID tags.
viligeidiot says: Sep 11, 2010. 6:05 PM
It's pretty well known RF causes cancer... just like microwaves, they artificially excite living tissue and not in a GOOD way. The implanted chips however work PASSIVELY as far as i know. Now if they start transmitting on the other hand, or after being implanted, people are being scanned constantly like for school/work attendance, riding the bus, paying at the checkout counter etc. etc. ... then cancer is definitely going to be an issue no question about it.
Yamnnjr says: Nov 8, 2010. 11:46 PM
The device couldn't be tracked if it were completely passive because if there's no signal being sent out, then no receiver/tracking reader device could read it.

The implanted chip would have to send out some signal, either in response to a signal by the reader or by constantly sending out a signal. Even bar codes require the reflection of the laser light to bounce back into the reader to be read.

So, whatever they do, common sense would suggest that the implanted device must have some form of transmittance, either by actively transmitting or by bouncing signals. I doubt mere bouncing signals would be strong enough to be read from the distance that this guy is talking about, so the energy from the body must be used to amplify the signal somewhat, it would seem to me.
Teslaling says: Nov 21, 2010. 12:47 PM
Passive RFID chips do transmit a signal, but only when a signal from a scanner/reader is first introduced. Passive means that it simply uses the energy it recieves to transmit, it does not require additional energy say from a battery.
metrogdor22 says: Oct 30, 2010. 9:57 AM
Thank you. KJenkinsAF is referring to radio waves, as in the ones used in planes back in the day. These are completely different from RFID. Passive RFID does NOT transmit ANYTHING. Active RFID does. Most RFID chips use passive, rather than active, and are safe in that aspect.
lanceearlhaines says: Sep 14, 2010. 11:47 PM
your name says it all.
viligeidiot says: Sep 15, 2010. 8:47 AM
If you READ the above comment, i said RADIO FREQUENCIES cause cancer...well documented by the military and medical professionals. Just like microwaves, they excite molecules and can cause heating and distortion.
Check yourself before you start throwing insults.
Spunk-Monkey says: Dec 4, 2010. 3:44 PM
No, "viligeidiot"... YOU should learn the actual science about what you're sayingbefore making baseless scare-mongering claims. Besides, if what you said was even possible, this would invalidate the operation of simple radio broadcast towers, satellites, cellphone towers, etc. Simply put, who should anyone believe: the mountain of verifiable evidence understood by anyone who has completed a physics class and evidenced in every radio, television, satellite and cell phone broadcast, OR someone named "viligeidiot" who says it's harmful because he says it's just gotta be (and instead of evidence just adds more off-topic claims)?
lanceearlhaines says: Dec 21, 2009. 7:24 PM
Non-ionizing radio frequency radiation from mobile phones and other similar RF sources has also been proposed as a cause of cancer, but there is currently little established evidence of such a link.[16]
# 16 Feychting M, Ahlbom A, Kheifets L (2005). "EMF and health". Annual review of public health 26: 165–89. doi:10.1146/annurev.publhealth.26.021304.144445. PMID 15760285. from wikipedia

While I agree that microwaves with relatively short wave lengths can be absorbed by the hydrogen in body tissues and cause damage by heat. I cannot agree that radio frequencies with their much longer wavelengths cause any adverse affects to the human body. No studies by reputable military or heath professionals support what you say. The waves pass right through our tissue like much of the EM spectrum does. Seriously if the military and health professionals believed this we would not have been using radio and cell phones to communicate. Do you really believe that the local rock radio station is causing you cancer? or how about the myriad cell phone towers? you had better dig a really deep hole and hide in it to avoid all those cancer causing RF's. By the way you spelled village wrong in your name which further supports my first post. great name! is that an insult or a compliment? i'll let you decide.
airsofter2 says: Oct 1, 2010. 8:48 PM
rofl... the whole point is that he misspelled village.. its a joke

i have no comment on the whole cancer thing, but i really wanted to point that out
davidharvey13th says: Sep 27, 2010. 2:13 AM
Please note the man who invented the cell phone developed brain cancer over his right ear, where he placed his cell phone as he killed his brain cells with cancer, he died of brain cancer. I don't own a cell phone, so I don't plan on being a cell phone dummy. Your choice.
metrogdor22 says: Oct 3, 2010. 12:03 PM
The first cell phone came out, what? 20 or 30 years ago? Again, thats not the same radio frequencies as is in RFID.
lanceearlhaines says: Sep 27, 2010. 2:22 PM
Martin Cooper uses a Droid and is not Dead!
lanceearlhaines says: Sep 27, 2010. 2:25 PM
I think people on this post are confusing heating/burning with the ability to cause spontaneous DNA mutation giving rise to cancer cells. This process happens hundreds of thousands of times to each of us in our lifetimes. Even without the environment as a factor. Its a good thing we have such a thing as an immune system to kill off the cancer cells. The unlucky few have a cancer that evades this response and is malignant or metastasizes to other vital organs. UV radiation can cause spontaneous mutations of this sort, but not RF. RF is not high enough in energy. Wrap yourself in lead bubble and your body will still have cancer spontaneously occur, a natural part of being a biological being. Chances are you and i have cancer cells in us now and chances are our immune system will kill them soon. Cheers! The fact that the cell phone inventor had a brain cancer is just as much proof as "Crapper" having colon cancer from pooping on a toilet. Something stinks... I have a sneaking suspicion that it is just coincidence and anecdotal evidence Vs. scientific knowledge. When cell phones were first marketed they were much more powerful because cell towers were few and far between. Now cell towers are everywhere hence the shrinking cell pone, battery and RF power output. All the heavy lifting is done at the tower now. You are constantly being irradiated by cell phone RF frequencies from towers and phones whether or not you put one up to your ear.
Yamnnjr says: Nov 9, 2010. 12:00 AM
Actually, I think that you're the one forgetting that many of the things that cause DNA mutation giving rise to cancer also causes heating and burning. Radiation, in almost any form physically raises the surrounding temperature, but UV radiation among many other frequencies, we know causes cancer.

I'm not sure what of the different radiation frequencies we send out all over the place on this planet actually have been observed as a potential cause of cancer, but it's very likely all of them lose energy in the form of heat, and can burn if they're strong enough.

And if something can cause cancer in large doses, it is very feasible that it can cause cancer, albeit at a slower rate, in very small doses as well. I think that's what people here are concerned with.
lanceearlhaines says: Nov 13, 2010. 12:57 PM
By your reply I can tell you know very little about both electromagnetic radiation and biology. The Majority of agents that give rise to cancer do NOT involve heat. Free radicals and other oxidative agents, or chemical mutagens involve no heat. In addition the majority of cancers are due to natural spontaneous mutations of DNA and mistakes made by our own bodies enzymes. They make mistakes in repairing or copying the genes correctly. Furthermore most "radiation" is harmless, without "radiation" you wouldn't be able to see. Radiation is light and light is radiation, The kind that is detrimental to biological systems (i.e. gama rays) is rare with the exception of ultra violet. But that's what the ozone layer, skin pigment ,and sunblock are for. Some people spend their whole lives in the sun and tanning and never get skin cancer some people get burned once and get it. It is what genes you have and how well your body can protect itself that are the main factors in getting cancer. Its genetics and luck of the genetic draw from your parents that determines your susceptibility to developing cancer. Don't forget that cancer is something everybody gets probably thousands of times in their lives, but the immune system quickly kills the cells. Radiation also doesn't just lose energy, the energy has to be transferred and that energy can change form to many states, it can become a chemical bond, it can cause electrons to change excitation states it can cause ionization it can interact with matter in many and various ways and causing heat or movement of atoms is just one very specific interaction. Remember energy is never lost but merely transformed to another manifestation. If DNA is damaged by radiant heat then the damaged DNA is the last thing to be damaged being at the center of a cell, the surrounding cell, tissues, and proteins would all be denatured and destroyed and dead cells cannot cause cancer because they are dead. remember cancer cells are living cells that have their metabolic systems malfunctioning. Cooked meat is dead meat and non cancer causing. That is why focused radiation is a treatment of cancer. They are trying to kill the cancer cells while minimizing the "cooking" of the surrounding tissue. Your dose argument is just plain wrong. I'll use vodka as an example. What causes more damage drinking 5 shots a day or 1? There is evidence that drinking 1 drink a day can have health benefits while the higher dose is toxic and will lead to disease. This is true with everything even water prescription drugs and food. Too much of anything becomes detrimental or toxic to our bodies. Even rat poison can be given in small enough doses to be good for you, people that have strokes or clots take it in therapeutic doses to thin the blood, but too much will cause spontaneous bleeding and death. Small doses of radiation such as UV is healthy to the body. It stimulated the production of melanin and vitamin D which most people are deficient in. Vitamin D helps our bodies use calcium we eat and this is good for the bones and teeth. So go out and get a tan and you will know that your bones and teeth will be stronger! But if you stay in the sun way too long and burn yourself repeatedly you may be damaging the DNA and perhaps if you do it enough the body won't be able to repair this damage. The dose of radiation is absolutely a factor in safety and will not cause cancer at a slower rate at a lower dose as you say. moderation is the key to protection from a toxic does of anything, so don't binge on anything, including rat poison (Warfarin). But a little bit might be good for you and make you stronger. I have herd of people who slowly build immunity to snake bites and poisons by slowly injecting themselves over a long period of time with an increasing concentration of the poison or venom. They start with an extremely dilute concentration and work up to the full dose. This probably cant be done with ionizing radiation though, like the kind from nuclear fallout. Heat therapy is used in spas and health care with the use of a IR lamp, it stimulates circulation and healing. the trick is to use the right amount of radiation and heat so as not to heat the tissues too hot till it burns. The IR (infrared radiation)can penetrate into the skin and muscles where it causes a rise in temp which increases blood flow and healing. Obviously it is not used to cook a turkey with and if you try to your thanksgiving will make everyone sick. It would be a good keep it warm lamp like the kind you see at dinners.
Yamnnjr says: May 24, 2011. 3:32 PM
I think I need to tell you something. When I was talking about the pollutants, I am not an environmentalism nut. Humans take precedence over nature any day. Sure we need to preserve yada yada, and do all in our power to keep our natural world alive, but humans are more important than whether an animal goes extinct. Japanese have been hunting whales since forever, and so long as they are willing to keep under their agreed-upon quotas and don't hunt more than a species can sustain itself, more power to them and their Whale-murdering ways because their economy probably depends a little on it and people are more important.
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Global warming is just as likely a natural occurrence of sun cycles as it is human-caused. And the major fact that we are so one-sided in our research of global warming and the fact that so much political power and money, or should I say funding, is so involved in global warming research proving that humans are the cause leads me to want to side with the theory that it's probably natural because science is never so certain and funding gets the proof it wants, otherwise the labs would not exist and the scientists would lose their jobs. Anytime research becomes political, it comes under suspicion because if funding is determinate upon results, then results will always favor the funding. But don't think too highly of me because I also believe evolution research has become political that such funding has something to gain from Atheism becoming a dominant faith across the entire free-world despite the danger it has proven to be in every single case it has become the dominant ideology. Read up on the atrocities of the Communists in their crusade to rid religion, primarily Christianity, from their lands.
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I'm just telling you this so that you know I'm not saying it's a combination of things because I'm a liberal environmentalism nut, I'm saying it because it's most likely the case.


Yamnnjr says: May 24, 2011. 3:16 PM
First, the main point you are missing is that government and our science DOES NOT know all that's going on. They DO NOT know all the effects certain things are having. They only approve certain things for use because they have indicated that they are not harmful through normal use. That is all. If there is some longer-term effect we are not seeing, it's being done. Cancer would be one of those effects because it is an extremely latent and not-so-well understood condition.
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I'd believe the first concept of your statement if it didn't completely contradict reality.
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If it's normally natural mutations that actually cause cancer, then why is cancer so much on the rise with human beings and their pets? Cancer is not remaining stagnant, it's increasing percentage-wise, not just as the population grows. That is a huge coincidence, too much of a coincidence, if what you said is true. There is something causing cancer to rise out there that we are doing, and it's not just an increase in smoking, if there even has been any increase in smoking. Logically, it's probably a combination of everything, the number of signals, the power they are amplified too, their proximity to dwellings, the food preservatives we use, the chemicals we use to clean our increasingly disgusting tasting tap water, the chemical pollutants in the air and ground.
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I mean the fact that you talk like you know what cancer is and why it's happening illustrates even more how little you know about it. Why, because science has not even come out of the theory stages of even how or why cancer is started. We know more about what kills cancer than we do about how it begins. Maybe it's because cells turn into a perverted Stem-cell-like state where their structure is less controlled, maybe it's because certain protective barrier genes get knocked off the ends of the DNA strand causing it to change it's behavior, maybe it's a combination of the two or something totally different.
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No two cancers are completely the same, no two cancers behave the same, and they arise under different circumstances from viruses, to mutations, to radiation, and to chemical reasons. Perhaps one cancer arises from one circumstance of the DNA, perhaps another arises from another issue. We don't really know for sure, and people are different, that's why research cannot produce hard evidence without some contradictory evidence as well.
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I know that UV radiation is healthy in low doses. Yes it does help in synthesizing Vit D, and even Iguanas need a certain level of it daily to survive healthy. Even many kinds of fish need it.
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However, many of the radiation signals we are using are not signals at levels that we are always exposed to naturally. Our atmosphere blocks the majority of all the radiation that comes out of the sun, which is presumably most of the spectrum that we are aware of. However, we cannot know the long-term implications of increasing signals our bodies are not used to. AM/FM radio is probably safe because of how long we've been using it, and AM frequency bands are created by certain sounds. However, we cannot be so sure about every single signal out there. Think about it. Every single channel is a slightly modified wave, every single station, every single individual cell phone has a unique frequency signature. We have so many different frequencies and radiations flying around this planet, and we do know that, at least, some of them are responsible for certain cancers. We cannot assume that with all these variations that we know which are or are not harmful over the long term as it concerns cancer and anyone who says that we can is either naive and not looking at the reality of the situation, or is intentionally lieing for some reason.
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As for your comment about Warfarin, it's a powerful anticoagulant that is used as a medication, and most things in small doses can be used for some benefit under some circumstances, but not under all nor even most circumstances. No medication should ever always be taken. However, Aspirin can be good for those with heart conditions to help decrease the clotting in their arteries, or for the acute headache. I still would not recommend to everyone regularly because even with all of our research, we cannot know all that it will do.
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As for your strengthening of the body comment, building up immunities and such, sure yeah, under controlled conditions where the circumstances are monitored by the person to ensure immunity without repercussions.
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Building an immunity to something involves exposing your body to a potentially deadly substance in too high a dose that won't kill you, but will cause your body to react to processing it better. There are some chemicals that our body will use in trace amounts, but they are still deadly, and some of them will accumulate in the body until a lethal dose is reached. Try building an immunity to that when someone else is controlling the dosage.
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The main issue people are having is that they, along with anyone thinking rationally, knows that we cannot possibly know everything, especially where it concerns why cancer is started. So if it's shown that one thing can cause it, that automatically brings all the similarly constructed items into suspicion.
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The fact is, we do not know for sure why UV light can cause cancer, we only know for sure that it can in abnormally high doses. And until we know for sure, we cannot be sure of any radiation, especially, especially when they are so varied and frequency and magnitude as all of the radiation signals we use today indeed are.
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Hey, maybe you'll be proven right in hundred years from now when we thoroughly understand cancer and radiation frequency's effects on our bodies, or maybe you'll be proven wrong. But what we do today, we have to choose to do today. We cannot wait a hundred years from now to see who's right or wrong, we have to decide today to take the risk or not too. And I think that's the concern of most of these people. We can't know for sure if it's truly dangerous, however, there is indication that it may be, and I, for one, will never feel comfortable to exposing myself, my dog, my children to a may or may not be, especially when some of it that is similar has already indicated that it does, indeed, cause cancer.
lanceearlhaines says: Dec 8, 2011. 8:29 PM
We know exactly why UV radiation causes cancer. Bases in the DNA have a circular carbon structure with alternating double bonds. and essentially the electrons are shared/spread over the ring. This area of the molecule absorbs a particular frequency of UV light. Color dyes and pigments work the same way in the visible spectrum, ringed molecules absorbing particular wavelengths of light.
So what happens is UV excites two rings(bases) adjacent in the DNA and the energy is enough to di-merize the bases covalently bond. This causes a kink with bonds where they shouldn't be in the DNA strand. instant point mutation, may or may not cause cancer in fact most of the time just cell death. Or the cell is killed by the immune system.

the ingredients of most sunscreen contain organic ringed molecules or oxide of titanium to absorb/reflect the UV light. That's why every time you get sunburned your chance of acquiring skin cancer increase as the number of mutations increase in the dividing cells of the skin.

Sure there are also lots of chemical DNA mutagens that are far more powerful and destructive in character. Bleach for example. but who is stupid enough to soak in it or drink it?
I used to use a toxicant called the dichromate salt of potassium. It was a nasty DNA mutagen we would use it as a reference test to compare to other samples toxicity.
emerson.john says: May 22, 2011. 10:03 AM
That's a pretty good answer. RFID is safe. It is obvious. Those who wish to debate this cannot understand your answer.

That guy needs to go back to his "villige".
lanceearlhaines says: May 22, 2011. 8:39 PM
Tanks, Tru Dat. Sorry for all the spelling and grammatical errors.
Zombie666 says: Sep 23, 2010. 1:30 PM
If you want to refer to the British Science Institute Christmas Lectures, on one of their LIVE broadcasts ove Christmas, they cooked Meat with RADIO waves (NOT MICROWAVES) and it took a lot less time.

The only reason MICROWAVES are used for cooking is because of the ease of containment and short range of dissipation.

Microwaves are line of sight only and shor distance without very high powers ( in the 100's of WATTS Range) compared to lower frequency Radio waves that can be used to communicate from London UK to Sydney Australia on as little as 5 WATTS.
keithisit says: Feb 14, 2011. 1:37 AM
Let's throw some actual physics at this.

Firstly let's say we're talking bout your head.
The thing that will be heating up is the water in the cells in your head. Assuming approx 70% water content (why not? it'll do for this calculation) and average head weight 2.38 kg (5.25 lbs) that's about 1.67 kg of H2O.

Let's say we want to boil the water in your head, because that would hurt!
So we need to increase T from 38 degcelcius to 100 so dT = 62

The amount of energy needed to do so is Q = dT x weight x heat capacity
Q = 62 x 1.67 x 4178 = 488 kJ

Now 1 watt = 1 J/s so it would take 97,681 seconds to boil your head at 5 watts.
Which is 27 hours.
That's also assuming that all of the power in the radio wave is converted into heat energy in the cells, which it isn't.
In fact one of the main reasons microwaves are used is because water is HIGHLY absorbant around 2.4 GHz.

You may have noticed that your head isn't currently boiling despite the general abundance of 5W (and greater) RF devices thanks to public radio stations and road freight companies.

On the flip side microwaves and radio waves share that part of the spectrum so at that frequency the doco you refer to may have been stretching the terms for TVs sake.
metrogdor22 says: Oct 3, 2010. 12:05 PM
The frequencies are VERY different between those used for cooking food, and reading a tag. In what you are talking about, RF were transmitted. RFID tags(the ones I'm talking about) are passive, and dont transmit.
lanceearlhaines says: Sep 27, 2010. 2:27 PM
Cool! Your Christmas goose is cooked.
lanceearlhaines says: Sep 27, 2010. 2:02 PM
I think people on this post are confusing heating/burning with the ability to cause spontaneous DNA mutation giving rise to cancer cells. A burn from RF does not a cancer make. They probably had to place the meat in a very specific place (node) by their broadcast antenna to achieve the right temps for cooking. Intensity or numbers of photons emitted (and therefore absorbed) by a point source are a function of the inverse square law. In other words just a few feet away the intensity drops off exponentially unless the beam is focused. a few dozen feet away from the tower and cooking is most likely impossible.
metrogdor22 says: Sep 14, 2010. 2:31 PM
Seriously? RFID causes cancer? And I thought the "the government is going to track us with RFID" hypothesis was crazy. Please, understand how RFID tags work before criticising(spelling?) them. Having an RFID tag is the same as me giving you a piece of paper with a 16-digit number on it. It doesnt transmit financial information, or control your mind, or any of that bull. All it does is identify the number on that piece of paper. When you pass it through a reader, the reader identifies that particular piece of paper. Kinda like a credit card: It doesnt do anything itself, except identify that particular card. Only difference is credit card readers then match that specific card ID to an ID in a database to retrieve your financial information. But an RFID chip is about as dangerous(spelling again?) as the piece of tape next to my computer...
mijdtr says: Sep 18, 2010. 8:18 PM
so u r sayin rfid is good?? u r prolly a government employee,and will suffer the results of constant reading/activation of YOUR implanted rfid
metrogdor22 says: Sep 29, 2010. 7:40 PM
Or im a 15 year old kid wondering what you're talking about. I never said it was good, just that it wasnt as bad as misinformed people like you are making it sound. So tell me, where do you get your information?
mijdtr says: Oct 3, 2010. 11:13 AM
misinformed? make two lists. one where it is good, one where it is bad. just on that alone the bad out weighs the good. but then one needs to have information, not propaganda, to make truly accurate lists.
then there is the thought: it only takes one bad to make it bad.
metrogdor22 says: Oct 3, 2010. 12:06 PM
And what are the bads?
joebanana says: Sep 30, 2010. 8:49 PM
They're putting these things in paper money now. If you microwave them it blows a hole in the bill, gotta use a hammer.
raza.qadri says: Sep 12, 2010. 8:38 PM
I never knew traffic cameras had wipers.. huh, i guess i learned something new today
Topunisher says: Sep 11, 2010. 9:11 PM
Can an electricity from a Stun gun could kill an RFID?
Treknology says: Sep 8, 2010. 6:05 AM
I knew tin foil beanies for credit cards would make a guest appearance!
PCfreak says: Sep 7, 2010. 3:47 AM
RFID's can so be found in packages that are in retail stores and are used for Asset Protection, like toys r us for instance i know they use the same type of chip to help stop shoplifters from walkin out with merchandise and the reader they use at the front doors is a checkpoint systems


i recently heard that walmart was going to be using an RFID tag on blue jeans to tell the stocker how many is on the shelf , what size, style and how many they have in the back stock room

an article from computer world

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/82155/Wal_Mart_Backs_RFID_Technology
Treknology says: Sep 8, 2010. 5:56 AM
Most people have no problem with this type of tag, because:

a) it is usually de-activated at the point of sale; and/or

b) It can be detached and discarded when you get the product home.

It becomes a serious issue when this technology is used in the "contactless" credit card--a netbook or smaller can be carried in a briefcase or purse and scan the data from such credit card it encounters within a few feet. A casual walk down the high street at this point in time could yield a dozen skimmed cards. As these cards become more popular, the same short walk could skim 100 such cards.
ceraman says: Sep 3, 2010. 1:58 PM
I think a solenoid connected to an AC power supply that make a huge magnetic field can do it. however the frequency, voltage and current of power supply and also the solenoid factors is significant.
Saturn V says: Aug 29, 2010. 11:02 AM
Ya can't touch this! Da na na na-na na- na na, can't touch this! Sorry, I absolutly couldn't resist.
ampeyro says: Aug 27, 2010. 9:04 AM
another plausible way to destroy it ts using something like a coilgun (a coil connected to a big capacitor and a hv transformer), the micro EMP produced arround it must fry the circuit, but i'm not sure of it
scoochmaroo says: May 4, 2009. 10:44 PM
Where do I hammer the passport! (I mean what part of the passport, not where in my house. . .)
HeyJD says: Aug 27, 2010. 8:21 AM
There should be one thick page somewhere in the passport... hammer that part. For me it's in the center page.
Warlrosity says: May 7, 2010. 2:56 AM
Why in the conservatory of course.





Sorry for commenting for no reason, but I HAD to reply
beehard44 says: Feb 6, 2010. 5:45 AM
feel the front panel and you will find the RFID insecurity chip.
Sylkhr says: May 5, 2009. 4:19 PM
It's best to do it in a closet, away from cameras. Oh, I don't know, the entire thing?
doeraemefasolate says: Apr 16, 2010. 1:14 AM
I had originally thought chipping a good idea for the obvious reasons - after thinking about it - it is kinda control freakish, it may cause problems health-wise too.  I am thinking of having it removed, the collar or something else seems a better idea; I've been thinking about this because the other day after massaging my pet (or petting it) I felt this device near the shoulder and it concerned me then I realized it's probably that chip which I had forgotten about almost - I called the company of the chip and they said it's usually installed between the shoulder blades and sometimes slides over to one side or the other, thats probably better than near the spine.  Anyways it's probably a good idea to be able to make sure a pet could find their way home but I think we have forgotten that they are home already on Earth and we dont need to be control freaks - a lot of pets also do make their way back home (dogs and cats) - I cant believe how dumb I was not to do research on it before I agreed to do it, I usually do lots of research before any new thing for my pet, whether it be food or whatnot, it was more impulse - not to say they might not be safe but at least do the research, it seems kinda wrong and it also could be said we need to be chipped for our own good, maybe there's paw prints lol, I guess there needs to be a balance because the idea could have some benefits but the same time I think the notion of being permanantly indentified goes against the very essence of being a fluid living and free individual, also people that steal animals can manipulate the chip, fraud, but maybe we just want something dependent to us more than anything needs to be , maybe our perceptions are so out of whack we are blinded (not being able to see) by our own rationalizations and not to say animals cannot be true friends but mostly friends dont chip, masters do (even the "good" master).  Could an animal get lost and be benefited by a chip? . . . yes - also is it worth it if it brainwashes us into a whole new perception where we are willing masters thus exposing our own selves to being future slaves? . . . no - if everything is voluntary its ok and since the pet cannot speak to us than we have to use our best judgement and alot of people probably dont always interpret that well for example some people say even the craziest things like God speaks to them but not to say it's not true just some thoughts - and yes this is a (maybe not "the") mark of the beast (a living being not thinking or speaking for themselves, able to be marked, lower than human) - hence these are marks that beasts have and always have had by their masters, "for their own good"
quad64bit says: Apr 27, 2010. 11:28 PM
 I've not heard of any adverse health effects from 'chipping', are you aware of the manner in which these devices work? They do absolutely nothing unless powered up by a transceiver, which doesn't even use a fraction of the power home wifi, cell phones or even public radio uses. Also, such devices are activated for a fraction of a second only a few times in a pets life at the most.

Secondly, a chip floating in the soft tissue of the skin (even over the spine) isn't going to hurt a pet. The spinal column is encased in bone, and I seriously doubt a trained vet would accidentally stab the cord (ever accidentally stab a toothbrush through the back of your throat? Its just about as likely).

Our family pet once managed to run away when a family member was on vacation (we assume our dog went searching). At any rate, the manner of escape left the collar neatly torn off on a fence. If not for chipping, its very probable we would not have found our dog again.

Your argument about things not being lost because they are still on earth is quite debatable - with this logic why bother look for misplaced keys, children, money or anything; they aren't lost.

The latter half of your post is incoherent, perhaps due to a lack of punctuation and many fragments; I am unsure what you were trying to say.
bladebossF1 says: May 1, 2010. 3:00 PM
For RFID chips under the skin, shave cleanly and closely to remove the
tiny antennae permanently. How do crazies come to be chipped? Whoever
"they" are that are doing the chipping I will bet it is being performed secretly.
Is this the scenario where PEOPLE TRACKING begins?
tmmbach says: Jul 20, 2010. 3:20 PM
If you have a passport to be destroyed, you can use the microwave. If you have to destroy a chip in any animal/human thats different... Build your own RFID-Zapper out of a Disposable Camera. Here is a how to make your own: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0vZigwn09I Dont put your cat into any microwave :-) By the way: You should have a possibility to check if its dead. (not the cat!)
dagyboy says: Apr 14, 2010. 5:23 PM
i just wondered if anyone has made a device 2 block or stop police radar from getting a fix on ones car or vehicle???? i know there are scanners out there, but i mean has anyone made a device [an instructable] that will cause the police radar 2 recieve a wrong speed reading of ones vehicle or no reading at all. can police radar deivces be blocked by a home made device????? regards steve
Rahdzhillaxxx says: Apr 16, 2010. 4:41 AM
Problem with police radar is that it is already read your speed before it can be corrupted. once they trigger it your had.
  One way to fight a radar reading is to file a motion of discovery to find if the device used has exceeded its calibration date. civil SERVANTS are some times lax in their paperwork.  If it is out of date the evidence is invalid.   Also some areas require the officer to be re-qualified at certain intervals. nothing funnier than telling a cop he has to go back to school to pull a trigger :).
 Meanwhile drive it like you stole it!
possum888 says: Mar 29, 2010. 12:13 AM
 AAAARRGH my stupid New Zealand passport. At the card is a full sized plastic card with the chip inside it. Whacking it with a hammer does nothing!!
broken_to_fix says: Mar 13, 2010. 6:08 PM
 i dont even know what that chip thing is....   :\
Stonehamian says: Feb 19, 2010. 9:43 AM
The "intro"picture is NOT an RFID chip.  Its an "anti-shoplifting" tag used with RF anti-shoplifting systems typically sold by Checkpoint.  It consists of a resonant LC tank circuit tuned to a specific frequency (usually 8.2MHz).  They do not have any data stored in them and often feature a "fake" barcode printed on the top.  A device is usually installed at the checkout to "deactivate" the tag before going through the detector pedestals, located at the store's exit.
squishoso says: Aug 19, 2009. 6:58 AM
Maybe you could also use a tazer or a piezo to give some sparks and fry the RFID without leaving a trace...
beehard44 says: Feb 6, 2010. 5:44 AM
better way: (hippie voice) Yo man, wanna fry this crap up man? yo stick a c4 down there, man that is cool, man!
almightyally says: Jan 17, 2010. 4:59 PM
 some RFID chips which are used in shops to tag products can be deactivated with a strong magnet.   Also wondering if freezing the RFID in your passport would wipe the data from the chip as i was talking to a guy who used to put car radios into the freezer to wipe the memory then reset the code back to the factory default, this way would show no signs of tampering if you wrapped the passport in a bag before you freeze it, dont wanna try it out on mine as i need it would like to hear from someone who can try it though.
abadfart says: Dec 10, 2009. 8:13 PM
what about a powerful magnet?? 
punkatsub says: Jul 8, 2009. 8:05 AM
are they the same as the ones that the put in as dvd and stuff, at kmart and stuff, if so, could you just foil up the said dvd
plastiqmanb says: May 5, 2009. 2:34 PM
WAIT! Tampering with your passport or any government issued document by means of breaking the RFID tag will get you into more hell than just leaving it alone and obtaining a rfid blocking wallet / sleve.
RetroTechno says: May 6, 2009. 11:18 AM
If I were you, I wouldn't zap a passport if you don't want to get delayed in customs. The new passports have a mark and they'll be expecting it to be there. The foil-shielding method seems much safer to me for use on your important document. Who walks around with their passport all the time anyway?!? Mine's in the safe deposit box, well shielded by a nice metal safe. :-)
l4sh says: May 5, 2009. 1:24 PM
I wonder, if a product of a store with a rfid tag was covered with tin foil completely, would that prevent the reader at the entrance from reading the tag?
ReCreate says: May 5, 2009. 11:22 AM
Maybe inducting too much electricity to the tag,to fry its chip might work someway.
fguna says: Apr 7, 2009. 11:31 AM
A quick and simple way to destroy an RFID chip is to shock it with a stun gun. These can put out 10,000 volts easily and can way overload and fry any electronics in the chip. No visible alterations either.
scoochmaroo says: May 4, 2009. 10:44 PM
No so "easy" for those of us without stun guns.
benz_z says: Apr 12, 2009. 8:23 PM
some newer shop use RFID tags for security purposes like in cloths or boxes (even the old shop sucurty systems get fooled by a bag lined with tin foil they go off when a certian sized peice of metal goes thru tinfoil fools them) umm stealing is bad so dont do it im sry to say my friend is banned from almost every store in our city it becomes a habit he got addicted to the rush and started to steal pointlessly. its almost like drugs in a way.
Daddio_UK says: Apr 30, 2009. 4:32 PM
If you go through the till/checkout, these stop working. There is a magnet in the barcode reader or embeded in the checkout that 'kills' it when it's passed over it, so when you leave the store, it doesn't set the alarm off. These are meant to be destroyed this way, it wont work on other types.
XxcarbonxX says: Jan 10, 2009. 11:25 PM
Would an electromagnetic pulse(emp) disable a RFID chip?
wqualls says: Mar 31, 2009. 12:04 PM
I wonder if an old hand held cassette tape eraser would end the little beasties life? You remeber the type? Little square box, plugs into the wall with on off switch, just a strong electromagnet. It will kill a computer hard-drive spinning or not through its case.
NobodyInParticular says: Mar 31, 2009. 1:07 PM
I suspect it wouldn't induce enough current.
ourari says: Feb 2, 2009. 12:34 PM
I believe a few German guys developed a DIY RFID-zapper out of a single use film camera. For details: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/r/f/i/RFID-Zapper(EN)_77f3.html
mijdtr says: Sep 18, 2010. 8:49 PM
hmmm another "untrusted site" result of a firefox browser attempt at that link
3ricj says: Mar 3, 2009. 12:13 PM
If you know those guys, I'd love to get in touch with them - - we've tried to reproduce their findings here at hackerbotlabs, and have found that most tags are highly resistant to these sorts of energy levels.
hellstudios says: Mar 31, 2009. 12:33 PM
huh.........I remember one of these things being on the back of my original Sims computer game case..... can they be used for anti theft?
Yendeg says: Dec 4, 2008. 3:33 AM
To think, that in the 70's they were used only to stop shoplifters.
membrane says: Nov 12, 2008. 10:38 PM
I prefer to use the old photo flash and coil of wire method to kill the things as it dos not destroy the item the tag is on or inside of like the other methods. You also can just cut the foil traces to the antenna or burn a hole into the chip with a small diode laser. Though in theory one could make a device that could kill tags over a wide range since they are much more sensitive to HERF pulses then most other electronic items since they are powered by RF.
bleachworthy says: Sep 30, 2008. 9:55 PM
so if I had a RFID chip in my brain I should.... wear tin-foil on my head?
munchman says: Nov 11, 2008. 4:20 AM
ALUMINIUM FOIL DEFLECTOR HELMET!!!
omnibot says: Nov 11, 2008. 2:39 AM
Ofc .. the usual placements are in the arm or neck so a collar and sleves made out of the stuff ...
Here's a few good links :
An Empirical Study On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets
50 Free Internet Tools for Tin-Foil Hat Wearers
Zapato Productions - Serving The Paranoid Since 1997
omnibot says: Oct 25, 2008. 3:21 AM
Yes. Yes you should probably do that anyway.
bikerbob2005 says: Oct 25, 2008. 4:49 AM
faraday bags will protect passports from side scans ,also a fun way to leave cell phone on but untraceable ie GPS .sorry hunny didnt get the mesg my phone must be in a dead spot
omnibot says: Nov 11, 2008. 2:26 AM
I just line my wallet, my pockets and all my bags with tin-foil.
PolarBill says: Apr 25, 2008. 5:54 AM
putting credit cards in a microwave has not destroyed any of the cards i've done myself or with my friends cards (with their consent). depending on the strength of the microwave, they make a ZAP and have a little flash of light within about 2 seconds. at which point you can stop the microwave. one of the cards left a light smoke mark that was able to be cleaned off easily, the other 4 i've done didn't have any signs of damage besides a slight burning smell for a few hours. does anyone know where the RFID chip is in passports? as this instructable said, i'd rather not take the chance of nuking my passport, but i wouldn't mind hammering it assuming i knew its location
andysuth says: Oct 27, 2008. 3:28 AM
UK passports have clearly visible chips in them. I don't see them as a particular hassle. I just wish they'd improve the photos a bit (or is that just mine!!!!)
alwinovich says: Sep 7, 2008. 11:52 AM
try putting a bright torch/led light behind the rfid-infected card/sticker/passport and most likely you will see the antenna and chip it works with dutch passwords and isocards(tested on a TI Tag-It HF-l)
3ricj says: Mar 3, 2009. 12:16 PM
EU passports don't have metal shielding on them, whereas the US ones do, so it's very hard to spot the chip using your torch method. The chip on the US passports is on the back cover, slightly off center.
Chouette2011 says: Aug 4, 2008. 6:03 PM
It is shown in one oh the pictures, only ones issued in the past year or so have them and I wouldn't recommend it, they might stall you or even question you, if you manage to fool them they would probably send you a new one (and charge you for it)
bulet4myvlntne says: May 28, 2008. 5:24 PM
what about the security chips that look like those in products like cds and movies and stuff, is there anyway to safely get rid of those?
alwinovich says: Sep 7, 2008. 11:56 AM
try a rfid zapper this is just a >30uF @>200v capacitor (photo flash capacitor), charging circuit and a 5 turn 4 x 6cm coil this will do the same thing as a microwave, but leaves no visible damage
merseyless says: Nov 11, 2008. 11:36 PM
sounds like an instructable coming on
alwinovich says: Dec 4, 2008. 5:25 AM
if i get more requests, the yes:-)
godhole says: Apr 12, 2009. 7:55 PM
consider this a request, please!
thinker says: Jun 1, 2008. 7:20 PM
if you mean in shops?
if you are wondering how to get rid of ones on products
easiest way is to get it out of the shop, then simply remove it and bin it/have a pocketknife/part of a stanley knife on you, cut it with that, this can be done in a very quick movement top right to bottom left, can be done whilst picking it up and looking at it...
also if you have a satchel, lined with aluminium foil, just drop it in that and it will be totally unreadable until you take it out again, at which point you will be able to disable it being at home or somesuch
=]
PolarBill says: May 28, 2008. 6:36 PM
not that i'm aware of
Whatnot says: May 13, 2008. 10:23 AM
Credit cards use a magnetic strip don't they? not an RFID chip (so far), so no wonder a microwave won't work heh
PolarBill says: May 13, 2008. 12:45 PM
Newer credit cards have both a magnetic strip and an RFID. Visa is showing a good number.
Derin says: May 23, 2008. 11:43 AM
here we havethe same thing for the first time.it is called trink
Whatnot says: May 14, 2008. 5:24 AM
Hmm,well if you'd fry the RFID and the magnetic strip is still ok how would you know you were not successful with the frying, perhaps it's just still working because of the strip.
PolarBill says: May 18, 2008. 9:11 AM
With the RFID cards, you don't slide them through the magnetic scanner. you just hold them up to a device, but the card doesn't need to touch the device that reads it. That is why RFID's can be scary. People have built antennas so a RFID card can be read from 90+ feet away (Blakhat Las Vegas '07).
Whatnot says: May 19, 2008. 9:40 AM
I am aware of what RFID are, but when used with an ATM I assume the scanner of the RFID is inside next to the magnetic card reader that's there for cards without RFID, and in that case you'd not know which was used by the machine as user.
harrisonn22 says: Mar 31, 2009. 11:13 AM
you all need to read your bible RFID STAND FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST. itstells you in revelation chapter 13 go to 16-18 that say if you get the microchip in you right hand you will go to HELL. if you get the nwe id card which it rfid. let me tell you all something the gover whicHknow every move you make when you go into the store they will know what you are buying . if you want to know more info go to youtube.com and put in the box the national rfid card . or you can put in the box .what do a microchip do.or you can put in the box. real id -a real nihtmare. with out the RFID CARD YOU WILL NOT OR CANT BUY FOOD OR SELL ANY THING OR GO IN TO COURT HOUSE OR YOU CANT NOT OPEN A BANK AACOUNT YOU CANT EVEN GO OUT OF TOWN. JUST GO TO YOUTUBE AND PUT THIS IN THE BOX THE RAPTURE. YOU WILL SEE THE OTHER STATES HAVE THE NEW ID CARDS OUT RIGHT NOW IN NEW YORK.
fthrjack says: May 10, 2009. 11:12 AM
yeah suuuuure... thats what it says, cause they knew all about microchips when the bible was written. It says a lot of things in the bible, doesent mean you should follow them or interperate them to suit your own needs. For example it also states that women who are menstruating should be cast out of the town walls and not be allowed back in till they stop bleeding, punishable by stonning to death if you dont do it. ... yup sounds fair to me! Now if you dont mind, i have some "My Name Is Earl" to go watch.... Seriously.. dont look too deep into this stuff, sometimes people can take things a little too far and then run with it.
PolarBill says: May 22, 2008. 10:37 AM
In the cards i have microwaved, the RFID was not next to the magnetic strip. it was usually in the top right corner (at least thats where it sparked). RFID readers are set up so that all you need to do is bring your card around roughly an inch in front of the reader (without having to put the card through the magnetic reader). So if you have your card where the reader is, and the reader cannot read the card, then you know that RFID in the card no longer works.
Whatnot says: May 22, 2008. 2:11 PM
Interesting, since they could just make a swipe for the magnetic cards but all ATM's I know always insist swallowing the card, so I assumed they did that on purpose to be able to confiscate it and scan it for watermarks and such, but I guess since they don't do that with the RFID kind I was assuming wrong. You learn something new every day eh.
Derin says: May 23, 2008. 11:44 AM
but the ticket system which gives you oppurtinity with your card reqs a swipe but i cant swipe well.had to ask the cop over there*hi sir can you swipe my card*
PolarBill says: May 22, 2008. 7:40 PM
well all ATM's i can think of want it to swallow the card too, but what i was thinking are the little added reader at registers in gas stations and grocery stores.
Whatnot says: May 23, 2008. 12:41 PM
Oh I see, thanks for the elucidation.
boygenuis32 says: Jun 18, 2008. 12:53 PM
how do you build a reader for RFIDs?
Labot2001 says: Jun 22, 2008. 10:23 AM
mage says: Oct 11, 2008. 3:02 PM
i think you have to buy them
ArgotMay says: Oct 4, 2008. 12:00 AM
Oh yeah, in Wikipedia it says that an anti static plastic bag is better than the heavy foil.
ArgotMay says: Oct 3, 2008. 11:57 PM
Under RFID in Wikipedia, it states that they can be read up to 350'/100 meters now.
-m1k3y- says: Jul 17, 2008. 12:05 AM
it's m1k3y
theguy0000 says: Apr 24, 2008. 9:03 PM
Trying to be nice here, but this is honestly just ridiculous.

Passive tags can only be read in distances less than 1 foot usually 5 inches or less.

While it's true that self-powering tags can be read from far longer distances, those are very expensive. Far too much money for them to put one in everything buy or anything like that. It would simply cost the company too much.

Also, all that is stored in an RFID tag is a long string of numbers. the RFID tag in a passport does not contain all of the information written, and Certainly not a picture. The tag transmits a string of numbers to identify it, the antenna reads those numbers, and looks them up in a database. RFID just isn't capable of transmitting data like pictures.

Same goes with, well, nearly everything, not just passports. Those tags on books, EZ / Sun passes, even those in credit cards do not contain any information that could put you at risk.
Bridel568 says: Jun 10, 2008. 12:55 PM
hey I don't know bought you guys but check this out its way better and there is a passport too

RIFD blocking wallet

Taranach says: Apr 29, 2008. 1:46 PM
... You *ARE* kidding, right? Apparently you have never been to any shopping centers like Wal-Mart... those things that set of the buzzers? RFID... I've installed them. Just what do you think "Data" is made of? It is a string of 1's and 0's just like everything else.

Your entire second paragraph is already refuted... I refer you to http://travel.state.gov/passport/eppt/eppt_2788.html wherein this is already done as of August 2007. Also a google search reveals that there are dozens of passive tags already that can be read at 20 feet. Sorry to burst your "superiority" bubble but RFID already *IS* capable of most of the things you deny.

Please double check your facts before you dismiss something.
harrisonn22 says: Mar 31, 2009. 11:23 AM
YOU ALL DO NOT GET THE RFID CARD OR THE MICROCHIP THAT IS THE SAME CHIP THAT THEY USE IN DOGS AND CATS . THE CHIP GO UNDER YOUR SKIN SO WHEN YOU GO BUY SOMETHING OR GET SICK ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS WAVE THE SCANNER AND THEY WILL NO EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU AND THEY WILL KNOW YOUR EVERYMOVE.GO TO YOUTUBE .COM AND PUT IN THE BOX THE MICROCHIP AND THE FRID .IT WILL TELLS OUY EVERY THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW.ITS THE MARK OF THE BEAST.REVELATION CHAPTER 13. READ IT 15-18
fred531 says: May 12, 2008. 8:54 PM
Yes and no. The passport RFID itself doesn't transmit the picture, but it pulls it up from a database.
stupid0yo says: May 2, 2008. 5:22 PM
i agree with you
farcast says: Apr 30, 2008. 12:00 AM
Be fair here - the poster's statement would have been correct in the very recent past. Crap, I had no idea the passport RFID chip was so sophisticated. But virtually all chips really do just send the radio equivalent of a barcode number, just like the poster said. And although there are passive tags that can be read at 20 feet, the amount of data you can send from a passive tag is based on the power of the incoming signal, which drops off with the square of the distance from the transmitter. So it seems to me that you would need to have the exciting antenna mere inches away from a passport to get enough power to download a photo. Or pump out enough power to boil the people standing in line at Customs.
static says: Oct 25, 2008. 1:37 AM
But wouldn't a passive rfid transmit as long as it's receiving a signal from the reader transceiver. Why would power limit the amount data a passive rfid could send? AFAIK the only limit to data would be the physical limit of RAM or ROM contained within the rfid. Increasing the power output of the reader transceiver has to be an exercise in diminishing returns. As will serve to desensitise it's ownreceiver the the flea power output of the passive rfid.
mettaurlover says: Apr 26, 2008. 2:25 PM
yes, but along with the data pulled up by the numbers may be a picture in the file... or maybe not.
bgugi says: Apr 25, 2008. 5:10 PM
let's just say that alice's credit card company gave bob a credit card. bob's credit card has an implanted rfid chip, and bob can place it over a reader to make purchases faster. bob is walking down the street one day, when charlie walks by him, but charlie is a jerk. charlie used a reader to record the string of data produced by bob's rfid chip, and placed it into another chip, effectively giving charlie the ability to make quick, easy purchases wherever he can scan an alice card. - the moral of the story is that the string of numbers may not necessarily contain human-readable information, but it does carry information, and that information ccan be used in the same way the intended user can. there are three indentifying factors - what you have, what you know, and what you are. each one can be acquired and replicated, and thus security will always be flawed. [/rant] on another note, don't stores use rfid tags to activate the exits? wouldn't a bag lined with foil allow a person to shoplift without worrying about the exit alarm?
The Dark Ninja says: Apr 29, 2008. 12:31 PM
The only method at current times to prevent RFIDentity theft is this... simply find and acquire over 1000 RFID chips and sew/glue/carry them in your pockets and in your clothes. This will be sure to fumble any RFIDentity thief's ability to guess anything useful. /reply-to-rant-joke But you do have a good point.
farcast says: Apr 29, 2008. 11:48 PM
We've seen that in our lab with as few as 3 or 4 tags in a four foot sphere - and it has caused Walmart no end of trouble, even though they have much better readers than we do. Too many tags in one spot and the receiver can't pick up anything. But there are several different RFID frequencies, and you would have to have a handful of tags for each of the frequencies.
lifelong-newbie says: Apr 28, 2008. 9:13 AM
Not just a lucky presumption, this method of using a messenger bag lined with many layers of tin foil IS commonly used by thiefs to steal CD's DVD's and small electronic gadgets etc. But this doesn't stop an eye in the sky spotting you putting the latest albums chart into your satchel and walking out merrily. But yes, sneaky/experienced shoplifters can fabricate such an item for a £5 and steal hundreds of pounds of goods with it, so... yes... it is done.
theguy0000 says: Apr 25, 2008. 7:02 PM
as for your rant, that is a completely realistic possibility. However, I would assume that with the hundreds of people working at alice's credit card company, one of them would have thought of this and found a way around it. Even so, that scenario does not make RFID itself "evil", as this instructable and many of the comments lead one to believe. As for your other note, yes, presumably foil could stop the RFID and allow you to easily shoplift.
thecheatscalc says: Apr 27, 2008. 12:51 PM
I think the way around it is the assumption that criminals will find easier ways to do it. making and programming a RFID chip isn't that easy. People are lazy, and most criminals never bothered with science and stuff. HOWEVER, I think it's a very real probability that something like this will happen, and probably be quite common. RFID tags in books and such don't bother me, but credit cards? That's just stupid. Also, I do think the passive ones can be read from much further then a few inches... you just need proper equipment. The tags in clothing stores are meant so they can inventory a couple of racks of shirts per say at a time. which is much easier then counting. When I get a card like this, I will be doing some preventative measures. period. Might also have to get a metal sleeve for a passport if when I carry it around.
bgugi says: Apr 26, 2008. 2:17 PM
like i said before, any data can be copied to make you appear as the intended user, a password can be stolen, a cd can be copied, and your rfid chips signal can be placed on another chip or actively broadcasted, there is no security.
Weissensteinburg says: Apr 26, 2008. 9:03 AM
So your proof that this isntructable isn't needed is that someone has probably figured out a way to make it secure?

Remember those key chain credit cards that you can hold up to a sensor at a gas station/fast food place? People did walk around with briefcases that contained those sensors and waved them near people's pockets.

While it'd be nice to believe that we're immune from identity theft in the form of RFID chips, it's not a reality. A frightening number of identity thefts occur every day, and RFID chips are no different from any other risk.

There is actually documentation online of people who have been able to read passport chips, and replicate them. Another very real risk of this that has been thrown out there is that of terrorists reading them and identifying areas with large concentrations of people from certain countries.

Once you can show me proof that our RFID chips are safe from theft, maybe i'll be a bit less wary. But until then, I would not risk my personal information on the assumption that our government/credit card companies must have figured out a way to prevent misuse.
lifelong-newbie says: Apr 28, 2008. 9:18 AM
True, the problem is that whilst companies can spend million s or even billions developing these technologies, criminals can search the web for info and reverse engineer the products to find way to beat the system for just a couple hundred quid max. This is why Security is an ever evolving industry because, every time some new security is implemented, a combination of basic science, and trial-and-error can undo all this work; meaning something new is needed... AGAIN!!
porksmash says: Apr 24, 2008. 9:25 PM
Actually, passive chips can be read from much farther away. I used some at work a month ago that could be read from 6 feet no problem, and I'm sure even farther is easy. RFID chips can also hold up to a few kilobytes of information, depends on the chip. All someone needs to do is build a reader and walk by you. It can be done easily. The information is usually not encrypted either, from what I've seen. I was able to read the RFID cards (HID system) that are used to open locks to the building at my work. Credit cards and passport RFID chips DO contain private information that can be dangerous in the wrong person's hands. What would be the point of having chips in them if they contained nothing that could identify you? I do agree that most other products you buy do not contain any dangerous information, they are just there for the convenience of the retailer for inventory or theft prevention. Again there are thousands of different types of chips that can be read from less than an inch to tens of feet, or can hold 1 byte to several kilobytes of information.
munchman says: Apr 25, 2008. 3:10 PM
But then wouldn't you have those things at the shop doors going off all the time?
porksmash says: Apr 27, 2008. 9:34 AM
And those specific chips, or the readers, might not have such a large range. There are thousands of different types of chips and readers, and not all of them have the range I was speaking of.
Weissensteinburg says: Apr 26, 2008. 9:04 AM
They are only set to go off when an RFID chip that they recognize as a store product goes through.
Psyber says: Apr 29, 2008. 7:31 AM
You should warn your readers that tampering with a passport is punishable in the US by up to 25 years in prison. Tampering is usually defined as modifying with intent to defraud. In our current political and legal environment I don't think I would rely on a modified passport to get me in and out of a country. Maybe they couldn't get a tampering charge to stick but they could deny you travel and they could make you get a new passport ($$$)
Whatnot says: May 13, 2008. 10:33 AM
No he should not do the job of the fascist to instil fear into people to make them comply with any nonsense the mighty 'leaders' think up, that's not his thing I don't think, quite the opposite. And that removing the RFID causes some trouble is obvious, and it should, make the people forcing them on people aware that the people do not like them I'd say.
Psyber says: May 13, 2008. 6:06 PM
I'm not asking him to "instill fear", just full disclosure. Everyone should be allowed to make well informed decisions. I don't think anyone is being "forced" into using RFID chips anymore than they are forced into watching TV commercials. If you don't want commercials don't get a TV. If you want your cake and want to eat it too, fine just be prepared for any consequences that may arise. As for destroying RFIDs as a means of protest I wouldn't get my hopes up, I don't think they'll notice or care.
Whatnot says: May 14, 2008. 5:21 AM
Well as I said, 'disclosure' is not needed since anybody can figure that one out. As for your "I don't think anyone is being "forced" into using RFID chips " that's the most silly statement ever, if they put them in a passport and you say you goto prison if you disable them that's not forcing in your book? Then what is? Not to mention the countless other ways they spread them, from hiding them into company ID cards to hiding them into products you purchase and in tickets for the bus etcetera, it's all forced when there's no alternatives and there's prison or exile if you refuse. And threatening with 25 years of prison I still call instilling fear, especially since one would hope ANY judge would realise this isn't forgery and thus nobody would get prison for it but at best a fine, so saying "Oh you'll rot in prison for the rest of your life" is instilling fear in my view. Sorry that I come across a bit strong but emotions run high.
UltraMagnus says: May 10, 2008. 2:53 PM
wouldn't using a simple disposable camera and coil miniature EMP device work as well....
fred531 says: May 12, 2008. 8:52 PM
No. An EMP would do nothing, because of the passive nature of an RFID chip.
UltraMagnus says: May 14, 2008. 2:31 AM
actually, the whole idea of an emp would be to induce a current in the antenna of the RFID chip that would be enough to fry the chip, that is pretty much what an EMP does to anything, however given the extremely low power levels used in RFID a EMP that is so small to fry pretty much anything else would be capable of frying an RFID chip. you may be getting confused with EMP and HERF
Cadaoryn says: May 13, 2008. 9:20 AM
where in the passport is the chip located?
And also, readers are already around.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/907a/
TripMaster Monkey says: May 7, 2008. 11:00 AM
That's one scary looking hammer...especially with the suspicious looking crusty dark stains around the head...what else have you been bashing wit that? _
boarder013 says: May 6, 2008. 4:18 PM
They use these in stores as security devices don't they?
Olyveoil says: May 2, 2008. 12:27 PM
Thank you very much for this information. I did a search on the 'net and found this website to be very informative as well.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004151388_apchippingamericaiii29.html?syndication=rss

According to this report, this sort of thing isn't even regulated in the United States.

Have a great day!
codz30 says: Apr 30, 2008. 2:28 AM
Shoplifters make a bag out of tin foil called a 'magic bag' to steal things like DVD's and the like that have these chips inside them. Unfortunately, modern day scanners [those big plastic tower looking things near the checkout of stores] can some how render these 'magic bags' useless. Possibly because of the frequency that it scans at? If any one has any info, please correct me
DannyboyINXS says: May 2, 2008. 8:12 AM
i remember people being able to use those anti static bags to put books in at our school library lol u know the ones where computer parts/video cards are put in
dUc0N says: May 2, 2008. 3:41 AM
It's probably just a higher-power signal. To my understanding, RFID chips run on power provided by the signal from the reader when they respond with whatever information they're encoded with. A more powerful reader, then, should be able to overcome minor shielding provided by tinfoil.
The Dark Ninja says: Apr 29, 2008. 12:33 PM
Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but since voltage is induced into the antenna, thusly powering the chip.. why not just induce lots of voltage into the chip frying it (without the microwave.) Just a thought.. DIY electro magnets might be able to accomplish the idea.
sheepguy42 says: Apr 24, 2008. 8:29 PM
How brittle does the antennae get when frozen? I wonder if freezing then folding the passport cover where the antennae connects to the chip would snap it. Any thoughts?
ekulmeekul says: Apr 25, 2008. 1:42 AM
use liquid nitrogen to freeze it! A conventional freezer will not do it.
Sandisk1duo says: Apr 25, 2008. 6:54 AM
you'll break the passport in half...
ekulmeekul says: Apr 25, 2008. 8:14 PM
Well at least it will break the chip along with it...
Sandisk1duo says: Apr 27, 2008. 1:16 PM
you still will have two halfs of a passport
gerrit_hoekstra says: Apr 27, 2008. 3:35 PM
The upside: Two small people will then be able to travel with the passport :-)
Sandisk1duo says: Apr 28, 2008. 8:34 AM
lol
MisterHankie says: Apr 28, 2008. 8:07 AM
could someone post a picture of a chip with the antenna labeled?
thematthatter says: Apr 25, 2008. 3:55 AM
what about the ones in animals. should we remove them as well? just to be safe i will wrap my dog in foil
Garth Knight says: Apr 25, 2008. 3:11 PM
The hammer method would be less of a fire hazard with pets than the microwave method...
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AlvinMaker says: Apr 27, 2008. 8:02 PM
i would avoid the hammer & microwave method with this one but that tinfoil hat is badass, i might have to make one for my pug.
thematthatter says: Apr 25, 2008. 11:16 PM
but then you would have to know where the vet placed the chip. you dont want some stranger finding your pet and scanning it knowing who owned the pet and where they live, that would be a serious privacy risk! :P
Digital_Anarchy says: May 11, 2008. 2:48 PM
don't get your pet chipped then, surely?
thematthatter says: May 13, 2008. 3:04 AM
its required where i live
Garth Knight says: Apr 28, 2008. 6:55 PM
Ur dog iz mi hoztage - u mustt pay,
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Derin says: Apr 24, 2008. 10:00 AM
or use an electromagnet wit a capacitor bank such as this
berky93 says: Apr 24, 2008. 7:15 PM
that link isnt in existence it says...
Derin says: Apr 27, 2008. 1:41 AM
sorry for that

real= link:this one=THIS ONE MAY BE CORRRUPT ALSO

berky93 says: Apr 27, 2008. 8:03 AM
no that one works.
xtacticalmonkeyx says: Apr 26, 2008. 12:38 PM
so people can track people down that had the chip thingy in it? WOW this is so confusing.
ScaryTrout says: Apr 25, 2008. 8:38 PM
Would one of those shielding bags that some electronic devices get shipped in work to block the RFID? I believe they work like a Faraday cage. I only have one card with an RFID chip, and I have been keeping it in a bag that I got a network card in. I haven't seen an opportunity to test this idea yet. If anyone knows I'd like to find out.
Weissensteinburg says: Apr 26, 2008. 9:07 AM
I'm pretty sure those are only anti-static bags, and would not function as a faraday cage. An easy way to find out would be to put a cell phone or radio inside one and see if it still works.
w00ty32 says: Apr 24, 2008. 8:30 AM
Nice. i think people might use this info fo more than saftey... if ya catch my drift.... And that hammer looks like it's seen better days....
technodude92 says: Apr 25, 2008. 8:58 PM
days? try decades
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w00ty32 says: Apr 25, 2008. 4:41 PM
oh ya, when they quenched the hammer to make it brittle.. that was an interesting episode.
Killa-X says: Apr 25, 2008. 8:25 PM
The looks of that circuit reminds me of koals. Some of their things such as shoes, have these plastic tags. Once ripped one open and saw almost the same exact picture as what you have up there. Weird..
Xellers says: Apr 25, 2008. 7:03 PM
Another way to do this is to wire a coil to the capacitor in a camera flash, hold it near an RFID tag, and discharge the capacitor (wire a switch).
zumbo333 says: Apr 25, 2008. 5:01 PM
if u want to learn more about RFIDs the read the book *spychips* i should proly start it but im busy lol instructables keeps u busy
SaritaS says: Apr 25, 2008. 7:14 AM
leebryuk says: Apr 24, 2008. 11:57 PM
It is extremely "unwise" to tamper with your passport. Anything that signals an error will get you yanked and at least delayed. At best you'll miss your flight, in the middle you'll find out about INS interrogation, and at the worse you will find yourself in front of a judge. They do not play around with coming/leaving the US anymore. What they are looking for is redundancy in IDs. There are those in other countries with access to their passport making apparatus that sell all sorts of passports. It's hard to spoof the database number for your US passport with another person's ID. As far as the other stuff goes, knock yourself out.
Sandisk1duo says: Apr 24, 2008. 9:37 PM
i don't know about microwaving my passport....
explosivemaker says: Apr 24, 2008. 11:52 PM
that was my first thought .....to fry a chip I would put it in the microwave
hcold says: Apr 24, 2008. 10:45 PM
I find it ironic that the most brute force way of killing a chip, is also the one with the least evidence, personally.
bowchickabowwow says: Apr 24, 2008. 8:55 PM
fight the power!!!!!!!! amendment #1 baby!
ll.13 says: Apr 24, 2008. 9:20 AM
iLike!
GorillazMiko says: Apr 24, 2008. 8:30 PM
...is an awesome website. So is this Instructable. ;-)
darkmuskrat says: Apr 24, 2008. 8:12 PM
thx for the info *ghetto hammer :P
LinuxH4x0r says: Apr 24, 2008. 8:02 PM
RFID is evil! I hate it!
dontno says: Apr 24, 2008. 3:52 PM
LMAO; It all comes down to a hammer. If it still works should I use a bigger hammer? There's an old saying in the mechanics trade; "Fix it so no-one else can fix it."
berky93 says: Apr 24, 2008. 7:14 PM
ha! I knew it! lol on a related note I dont think its the size of the hammer that will matter. as long as you can apply enough force to break the chip, your main concern is making sure you hit the chip where you want to.
omnibot says: Apr 24, 2008. 6:20 PM
Where RFID can be found .. Here in Gothenburg, Sweden, we got them on the public transport-system about two years ago. The extreme monitoring of passengers makes people throw them away after one use. That's even becoming an evironmental issue . A friend of mine gets a reciept every time he gets a new one and zaps the card in a microwave. The company is furious.
jaysbob says: Apr 24, 2008. 2:43 PM
the main thing I hate about the RFID stickers is how hard they are to get off something and even when you do they leave a nasty sticky residue. I wonder if theres not some way to re-program or re-set an RFID to transmit some data of your own choosing. That would be equally useful, if not more so, than simply destroying the things.
ookid says: Apr 24, 2008. 5:50 PM
you can also use acetone as long as it doesn't eat the item :-)
LDW says: Apr 24, 2008. 5:07 PM
Use lamp oil to remove the stickiness - works a treat.
Pumpkin$ says: Apr 24, 2008. 4:49 PM
lols neyodium (hope I spelled that right)
Kiteman says: Apr 24, 2008. 9:46 AM
Since the chips gather power via their antennae, could they be overloaded with a magnet? Granted that's no good for a credit card, but maybe a rapidly-moving rare-earth magnet could induce enough current to do (invisible) damage?
nf119 says: Apr 24, 2008. 2:00 PM
Can't we just ESD these buggers? (A leyden jar and an old fashion vacuum tube TV?)
solo.card says: Apr 24, 2008. 10:33 AM
Aren't those security tags on DVDs deactivated by magnets? Because I thought the same thing, and I working in retails tells me magnets disrupt the tags. I think
Kiteman says: Apr 24, 2008. 11:30 AM
Oh! Books!

Books often have tags inserted in the spine, and the cashier swipes them over a big magnet to stop them triggering the alarm.

Another triumph for science over Big Brother (the 1984 version, not the waste of TV cameras)
omnibot says: Apr 24, 2008. 10:24 AM
I found theese entries on the web.
[https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/r/f/i/RFID-Zapper(EN)_77f3.html RFID-Zapper]
[http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geumD5wRBIWSYBoCYDRaMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdmM3bGlxBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=12an7d1bm/EXP=1209144185/**http%3a//itp.nyu.edu/everybit/blog/media/rfid-zapper.pdf RFID-Zapper PDF]
On wikipedia
Kiteman says: Apr 24, 2008. 11:39 AM
Thanks - very useful to know.
omnibot says: May 1, 2008. 3:24 AM
Derin says: Apr 24, 2008. 9:58 AM
passports stink i waited 4 hrs to get one
Kiteman says: Apr 24, 2008. 11:42 AM
Four hours??

We have to apply weeks or months in advance :-(
solo.card says: Apr 24, 2008. 8:37 AM
I think (for the passport anyway) it would be more advisable to make / buy an RFID blocking wallet, Chances are, if it turns out you have to get it replaced because the chip doesn't work, you'll still have to fork out for a new one.
mrmath says: Apr 24, 2008. 10:04 AM
I would recommend AGAINST destroying the RFID chip in the passport. It's very likely in the time between now and when your passport expires, passports without a funcitoning RFID chip will be rejected at border crossings. RFID blocking is the way to go with this one.
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