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I consider myself to be pretty well on the geeky side, I am an electrical engineering student, avid member of the computer community, and a dabbler of all things technical. I have never been extremely social or outgoing, I'm not the life of the party. Normally I am the kinda guy that you would look over, especially if you are a hot girl. However I have had more than my fair share of girlfriends way out of my league. For instance, the last 2 girls who I dated seriously have both been well out of my league/social circle, who I met in completely different ways/places.

This is what works for me, I have told this to many people, and it has worked for those who followed through. Its not a magical spell to make anyone fall in love with you, but it definitely helps tip the scales in your favor.

my disclaimer is that this works for me, It might not work for you. I do not treat women badly in any way, and I have the utmost respect for women, same as men. I understand that this, or any set of guidelines is not completely definitive or sure-fire, but it is my way, if you don't agree, theres no need to wage any sort of comment war. I guarantee you some men will think I am wrong, and alot of women will. These guidelines have worked for dozens of people.

Step 1: Be Yourself

I know this isn't the most original way to open up, but it really is the most important step. If a girl doesn't like who you are once she gets to know you, she isn't worth your time. Furthermore if you have to change who you are to attract, or keep a girl, you are cheating both yourself and her. In my opinion that is the biggest lie... to be anything other than yourself

Some people just won't like you, and just won't click... it just won't work.
Get over it.


Lying is the worst. If have to lie to get something, its not for you, and its not worth having to lie to keep it. Girls are no exception to the human race, they appreciate honesty above all. This is a good thing to realize about all people, if you plan on dealing with them for the rest of your life. By honesty I don't mean "Yes, that dress makes you look fat," I mean honesty of character.

You have to be pretty confident, and realize that ultimately you are selling yourself--Not everyone is buying, but being confident and straightforward is the best sales pitch.


-don't deceive
-Be Honest
-Let her be herself
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Those are some solid steps. Also here is some steps that work for me. <br><br>1. Let her know how you see her. You are seeking a GF and your interested in courting her. This will keep you from going into the friend zone and if anything you guys wont talk much if it you dont click.<br><br>2. On the first convo keep it short dont go in 2-3 hour convos the first time. Something like 30 mins so you leave something for later or leave a hook in there. <br><br>3. Bring the rose on the first date. This is a missing touch here. On the first date bring a single rose. Not a dozen or a vase of roses but a single rose. You can get this at Publix for like $3. This will let her know your courting her and is serious about it (keep you out the friend zone). Also to be honest you will be surprise on the amount of girls who never had roses. <br><br>4. NEVER take her to a place that is super expensive unless this what your accustom to. Its a first date and to be honest some females see this as a free meal. Also she will be expecting an upscale dinner or event on every date. Save that expensive dinner for her once she become your gf or special occasions. Cheesecake factory, Apple Bees, or any mid range restaurants are fine. The key here is to find a spot that is professional, clean and has great customer service. If they think they deserve better on a first date she isnt the one.<br><br>5. Bring in some type of experience. Dates are cool but what usually pushes people together is life experiences together. After some phone time and a couples of dates see if she will be ok with a mini vacation or driving out of town for an event. <br><br>
<p>Hello well what can I say <br>about me? This is not the first time I have give this ago? I will give it <br>another go. I don&rsquo;t want to tell you too <br>much as there will be nothing for you to ask? like to make the lady&rsquo;s laugh am <br>easy going relaxed man don&rsquo;t take life to serious and if I add you to my <br>favourites its because I find you very attractive I'm looking for someone nice <br>to spend time with and have a happy life with! Anything you want to now just <br>ask hope to chat to you soon if I don&rsquo;t reply happy fishing.</p>
why is everyone on this page a liar? stop giving stupid hopeful advice to people when you know for a fact it won't work. the only way to get a girl out of your league is to be her friend. the only type of relationship that will come from all your hard work and devotion is friendship and nothing more. unfortunately, most good looking women are pawns and won't even give a person whose character is that of a saint a chance to sweep them away from their feet. besides, in the unlikely chance that one actually does get a hot girlfriend then the most likely outcome is that she would betray you becausem truthfully, a woman that lucked out in the gene pool is in a position that preys on the weak. so one has two options available: (1) face the rejection from the get-go and face the ridiculous friendship option or (2) face the betrayal <br><br>in my opinion it is better to die alone. this solitude will make you strong.<br><br>now watch some punk complain and moan about my pessimistic view. its not pessimistic. it is the truth. i've been there. and i mean that with both outcomes as mentioned above.<br><br>
Might I, to a level, be that punk you were mentioning. ? I agree that, yes, you're never going to get anywhere if you're not willing to be a friend first.<br>I do strongly object however, you're declaration that beautiful women prey on the weak. Yes, some certainly do, but not all--or even most--by any means. And when one does come across a girl who does, thats not the kinda of person you want to be with anyway.<br>I the course of dating, yes you're bound to get hurt--and if you don't, consider yourself lucky. I've been in both of those positions as well, so don't claim thats it's ignorant optimism--is realism.<br>Really though, the best way is honestly to be yourself--with an extra measure of kindness and courage.<br>Sure, some relationships can be enslaving and painful, but others are healing, liberating, and beautiful.
And start drinking alcohol, once you get a girl drunk it's easy ..
you right but you can pull it off .. confidence, dress and groom yourself (designer clothes), go out clubbing and dance with beautiful girls ( lucky ima good looking south african with rhythm ), get ur confidence up .. if you rich, its easy picking .. <br><br>and being alone and facing rejection levels you up, afterwards you'll be playing them. No need to fall in love, it's about getting a piece!<br><br>yeah boy!<br>
hey uk2kio <br>your name sounds like a second chancer and when u tried again obviously got very hurt. <br>Read johnpoole's story about his 'miss virginia' wife who as he says although he is such an ugly mug got them so many great grandkidz. <br>This wipes away your own self impressions which very few, besides the woefull - oh poor me type, will take note of. <br>I have friends across the globe who bond on a universal belief. Inner character brings this. No one including you is without value. Looks fade with age like most else. So clear out the mist friend and look outward not inward for friends. <br>Our creator taught this basic principle which has never proved false if done unconditionally.
i see your point of veiw. I just am more optimistic.
tl;dr
You make it sound so easy<br/>
Maybe it is... ?
too bad ima total loser........(wamp wamp wamp plays in background)
Guys cmon, where's that swag! start drinking, having fun, going for random girls .. thats what I do! Confidence, I get beautiful girls ( sumtimes lol ) .. baby steps young players .. rome wasnt built in a day<br>
I built Rome in a day...
Yeah, so am I... Wait; this is me I'm talking about? I take it back. I am the Champion Over-Lord! :D
aw cheer up. you know some fine lady is waiting for you in some strange place with other strange people. find her!
Pics or it didn't happen.
lol :P
lol<br />
ya same here :(
an me :(
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<p>hey you all should listen to this man he knows his shit. its funny cause i've been juggling between the &quot;Jerk&quot; and the &quot;Nice Guy&quot; for so long and this just made it so much clearer. Goodman.</p>
<p>Why &quot;this&quot; pic? They're too average for words. Theyre the kind of average with a hint of conventional, average beauty, making them even more average. On the other hand, there's a lot of stunning beauty which is completely unconventional (but not &quot;in the beholder&quot;, but something of an individual class).</p>
<p>Agreed, they are quite average. I think this girl would be a better example...</p>
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<p>great advice about not being a jerk or a nice guy. Being in the middle also makes you intriguing. i'll have to say though that the idea of women being out of your league is where the problem begins. once you start thinking this way, you're automatically putting her on a pedestal and lowering your value. not a great way to start.</p>
<p>Great insight about straddling the line between being a nice guy and a jerk. If you do this well enough and in addition, show a little bit of your mean and vulnerable side every now and then, you will become very intriguing to her because you don't fit in either the nice guy or the jerk categories. </p>
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Agreed. i feel like if you go into the situation with the mentality of &quot;she's gonna like me and this will be an enjoyable conversation&quot; you'll succeed, and the facial expression will come naturally.
These are all true principals! I'm starting to date a girl who was runner-up Miss-Utah, and is awesome in every way. I am also a computer guy, a CS major. I felt intimidated by her accomplishments and I know that she could get any guy she wanted. But after reading this, it makes me feel like I'm on the right track. I really liked the line &quot;if you're stessing out, your trying too hard, if she's stressed out, your trying way too hard.&quot; I think that really set the vibe for making things work now. :) I'm just gonna go with the flow. And if it doesn't work out, I'll be that much more prepared and confident to date the real Miss-Utah. <br> <br>Just be yourself truly is the best policy. And be sincerely interested in her, and not just her looks.
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that is so funny.. but a lot of truth.. i am an ugly as a mud fence.. my wife was miss west virgina the year we met. it may not last, but we have a dozen great grand kids that would be surprised if it doesn't.. <br><br>you want a date with a stone cold fox.. ask her out.. she is no different then you or the other end of the looks pool. be yourself, make her laugh. polite doesn't hurt.. do not pretend to be something your not..

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