How to date a girl who is way out of your league.

I consider myself to be pretty well on the geeky side, I am an electrical engineering student, avid member of the computer community, and a dabbler of all things technical. I have never been extremely social or outgoing, I'm not the life of the party. Normally I am the kinda guy that you would look over, especially if you are a hot girl. However I have had more than my fair share of girlfriends way out of my league. For instance, the last 2 girls who I dated seriously have both been well out of my league/social circle, who I met in completely different ways/places.

This is what works for me, I have told this to many people, and it has worked for those who followed through. Its not a magical spell to make anyone fall in love with you, but it definitely helps tip the scales in your favor.

my disclaimer is that this works for me, It might not work for you. I do not treat women badly in any way, and I have the utmost respect for women, same as men. I understand that this, or any set of guidelines is not completely definitive or sure-fire, but it is my way, if you don't agree, theres no need to wage any sort of comment war. I guarantee you some men will think I am wrong, and alot of women will. These guidelines have worked for dozens of people.
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Step 1: Be Yourself

I know this isn't the most original way to open up, but it really is the most important step. If a girl doesn't like who you are once she gets to know you, she isn't worth your time. Furthermore if you have to change who you are to attract, or keep a girl, you are cheating both yourself and her. In my opinion that is the biggest lie... to be anything other than yourself

Some people just won't like you, and just won't click... it just won't work.
Get over it.

Lying is the worst. If have to lie to get something, its not for you, and its not worth having to lie to keep it. Girls are no exception to the human race, they appreciate honesty above all. This is a good thing to realize about all people, if you plan on dealing with them for the rest of your life. By honesty I don't mean "Yes, that dress makes you look fat," I mean honesty of character.

You have to be pretty confident, and realize that ultimately you are selling yourself--Not everyone is buying, but being confident and straightforward is the best sales pitch.

-don't deceive
-Be Honest
-Let her be herself

Step 2: "The Hook"

This is half the battle right here. You're not the most suave guy, and you want someone to notice you. Guess what, I am not going to give you cheap tricks, or cheesy lines.... infact I am of the personal belief that if its a line at all, its cheap. The best contact comes spur of the moment, not necessarily some heartfelt speech, but most likely a comment, or a joke or a witty interaction based on the situation.

-Approach a girl who doesn't seem to want to be approached
-Approach a girl in a bar, or club--these girls are looking to be wooed by a fast car, cheap haircut, and lame lines. They have their guard up, and don't want to be bothered.
-Try to hard. This is the biggest game killer ever. I can write pages on this, but I'll put it at this "if you're frustrated--you probably trying to hard, if she's frustrated--your definitely trying too hard"

-Place yourself in a situation you are comfortable with
-Give yourself any social edges possible
-Not rule out friends as possible romantic interests
-Not rule out the idea of meeting someone in the strangest places
-Act confident and natural

Conversation is after all the heart of getting to know someone. "First contact" is the most important. If you can keep someones interest and make them laugh, and feel good about themselves, you've got someones interest, and can take it to the next level... phone number, going on a date, etc. There are some things to avoid during conversation, for instance you want to avoid any serious subject... war, politics, religion, abortion, etc. If one of these does happen to come up, keep it light, and change the subject matter. Also you want to avoid complimenting her too much, this comes across as desperate/needy.

Be interested in her personality, be genuine, try to get to know her. talk about your common ground, get her talking about what excites her, what her interests are. Do talk about yourself, do be polite. Don't ramble on about yourself, this can happen if there is a gap in the conversation it only proves to makes this awkward. As a general rule of thumb a girl will ask you if she is interested to know something about you. Pay attention, don't just hear, listen. Make a mental note of things she says, remember them, there will be a quiz later.

You want to keep your body language in mind too... there are far better resources on body language than this article, and I strongly suggest you look into them. Mainly you want to keep a firm grasp on what you are saying with you body. Keep a good posture, relaxed but not slouching. Don't let your eyes wander too much, be confident and look her in the eye when speaking to her. Mind your hands, don't let them fidget and play with something (tablecloth, hair, keys, etc). Don't move too much, nervous feet shuffling, shifting your weight. Act casual, and try to keep your actions on your mind so that you don't let them get the best of you.

Generally treat a girl the way you would like to be treated, be polite, considerate, and genuine. It seems like common sense, and it really is, but alot of people forget that, or overlook it. Try to keep that in mind.

Step 3: How you treat her

This isn't dating for dummies, so I'll skip the rules about going on dates, when to hold hands when to compliment someone, when to call etc.

First of all the more attractive a girl is, the worse she is ultimately treated by everyone. Alot of guys treat girls like jerks--this works. If you try it, it will likely work for you, however it has the unfortunate side effect of making you a jerk... jerks are never happy in the long run. Its some deep seeded psychological appeal that attracts girls to these sorts of guys. I won't get into it, because I don't understand it well enough to make a case as to who/what/where/when/why/how.

Attractive girls also have to deal with the "nice guy effect." I've been there, and I'm sure you probably have too. Its where you idolize a really attractive girl, you let yourself be completely there for her for whatever she needs, you become her friend. This is terrible because you are nervous around her, you aren't necessarily yourself, you look up to her, and you cherish everything she does for you or says to you. Despite what they may say, girls won't respect you in the way you want them to. You loose your confidence and your control of the situation. Theres a theory that does a pretty good job of explaining this
Again I'm not a psychologist, so I won't even try to delve into the deeper meaning of these interactions.

You do want to fall somewhere in between the jerk and the nice guy. This relates back alot to step 1 where you make sure you are yourself. You need to think and know, that no matter how attractive a girl is, that she has (mostly) the same stuff inside of her as you. She has fears and insecurities just like anyone else. Don't let her walk on you, but don't take advantage of the situation and walk on her. You have to be confident and strong of character. You're going to want to treat her like you would treat a friend, someone you respect, but don't take crap from. This is probably the hardest step.

What you have to realize is the more attractive a girl is, the more phonies she is going to get, and many girls are so sick of phonies and people trying to force themselves into some sort of mold that society has defined that someone who is genuinely confident and a solid character is an instant attraction. This is how beauty and the beast got together in the first place.

Furthermore, many guys see a really attractive girl, and are only interested in one thing, and that is their body/looks/sex. The more attractive a girl is, the less a guy tries to get to know who she really is. Make sure you are interested in who this girl really is, (her hopes, dreams, fears, ambitions, quirks, oddities, favorite things, etc.) if you're not interested in that, your not after her for the right reasons. This really handicaps attractive girls, it can make them suspicious of just about any guy, because they know that so many are out there for the wrong reasons. Eventually everyone wants to be noticed and recognized for who they are as a person, not how they look.

Keep all of this in mind, and know that once you get someone to let their guard down, and let you inside, they are generally fragile creatures.

Step 4: Communication

Picture of Communication
Once you get past talking, you get into communication. Talking is essentially ice breaking, communication is the portrayal of ideas, emotions, concepts and stuff like that. You need to know how to communicate whether your on a first date, having some pillow talk, or discussing what you want to name your children.
Lots of guys try to skip over communication or fake it. Guess what, it catches up with you eventually and always.

Communication is essentially just expressing thoughts feelings and ideas in their entirety. Its more than just talking, although its just talking. Confused? good.

Finding a happy medium. Everyone has different levels on which they communicate, some people feel the need to blabber on unintelligibly with ever single thought that pops into their heads, some people hardly ever talk. You need to make sure to find a happy medium with a girl, weather its a first date, or a serious relationship. Some girls want to talk nightly on the phone, some don't like to talk while eating, while you may be blabbing away about how good the pizza is. Its up to you to judge each other and find a happy medium, if you can't find one without severely putting someone out, then it probably wasn't meant to be.

Also keep in mind that there is more to communication that what you say and hear. Body language is also a huge key factor. How you carry yourself, how your face looks, what you do with your hands, tone of your voice, etc. This is why its hard to tell a lie, or something you don't believe in. Even if you try to act convincing your body will still tell her that you are lying, or that you aren't serious about what you are saying, and women have some sort of "intuition" (I call it built in lie detector). Be honest.

Listening to her, like I said earlier, she has more to say than just words, she is conveying Ideas, thoughts and emotions. Look for those and make sure you get them. Sometimes these can not be conveyed over the phone, or during a commercial break, come to a compromise, but don't ignore her, the subject matter will be on the test later. When you ignore someone who is really trying to communicate, tell you something you are insulting them on a personal level. There may be issues over the time/situational appropriateness you need to work out a compromise ultimately.

Telling her your feelings. True story: communication isn't just for girls. They appreciate knowing what you think and feel. It shows them respect and in turn helps you get closer. Don't be afraid to say what you think, because it'll come out eventually.

Step 5: The wrapup

It can all be summarized as being yourself, and remembering to be respectful. Don't be fake, no one likes fake people. If you think that some cheap decals, some neon lights, and a spoiler make your car "pimpin" then this article probably didn't help you. Pretty much keep everything I said here in mind, it maintains its relevance weather you are trying to get a date, or have been with someone for a long time. Be genuine and be yourself, and remember, that if someone isn't buying what your selling, there are plenty of other worthy buyers.
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mnbvmc6 months ago

Why "this" pic? They're too average for words. Theyre the kind of average with a hint of conventional, average beauty, making them even more average. On the other hand, there's a lot of stunning beauty which is completely unconventional (but not "in the beholder", but something of an individual class).

BrianM3 mnbvmc4 months ago

Agreed, they are quite average. I think this girl would be a better example...

dbariulis7 months ago

You can try find girls on dating site

strategiccat11 months ago

great advice about not being a jerk or a nice guy. Being in the middle also makes you intriguing. i'll have to say though that the idea of women being out of your league is where the problem begins. once you start thinking this way, you're automatically putting her on a pedestal and lowering your value. not a great way to start.

strategiccat11 months ago

Great insight about straddling the line between being a nice guy and a jerk. If you do this well enough and in addition, show a little bit of your mean and vulnerable side every now and then, you will become very intriguing to her because you don't fit in either the nice guy or the jerk categories.

Kage6 years ago
too bad ima total loser........(wamp wamp wamp plays in background)
aw cheer up. you know some fine lady is waiting for you in some strange place with other strange people. find her!
Pics or it didn't happen.
lol :P
CapnTac dabusff4 years ago
lylek1 Kage3 years ago
Guys cmon, where's that swag! start drinking, having fun, going for random girls .. thats what I do! Confidence, I get beautiful girls ( sumtimes lol ) .. baby steps young players .. rome wasnt built in a day
mutt256 Kage6 years ago
ya same here :(
an me :(
tgurda2 years ago
"How to Pick Up Girls" works and it works on girls that you might have previously thought to be "out of your league". Buck up buddy cause I'm here to tell you - they are very much attainable. Let's jump in and read a bit about "The Face" First Free tip: right now read this & it's just the beginning for how to pick up girls... ATTRACT WOMEN TIP: Your facial expression will get you started on How to Pick Up Girls or shut you down instantly. If your expression is one of sadness or blank, negative or anything besides what I’m about to share then you’ve lost before you even entered the room. Getting started NOW:
How to pick up girls requires some homework. Practice what I’m about to share as much as possible until you get your best at this. Your facial expression needs to be self confident and a little happy. You don’t even have to be smiling but i do recommend a slight smile or a slightly happy face. Depending on your mood and type of day you are having – this may not be apparent unless you are consciously making it happen.

Best to you,

Tom Gurda
dben41 tgurda1 year ago
Agreed. i feel like if you go into the situation with the mentality of "she's gonna like me and this will be an enjoyable conversation" you'll succeed, and the facial expression will come naturally.
dben411 year ago
These are all true principals! I'm starting to date a girl who was runner-up Miss-Utah, and is awesome in every way. I am also a computer guy, a CS major. I felt intimidated by her accomplishments and I know that she could get any guy she wanted. But after reading this, it makes me feel like I'm on the right track. I really liked the line "if you're stessing out, your trying too hard, if she's stressed out, your trying way too hard." I think that really set the vibe for making things work now. :) I'm just gonna go with the flow. And if it doesn't work out, I'll be that much more prepared and confident to date the real Miss-Utah.

Just be yourself truly is the best policy. And be sincerely interested in her, and not just her looks.
patar771 year ago
You make it sound so easy
johnpoole3 years ago
that is so funny.. but a lot of truth.. i am an ugly as a mud fence.. my wife was miss west virgina the year we met. it may not last, but we have a dozen great grand kids that would be surprised if it doesn't..

you want a date with a stone cold fox.. ask her out.. she is no different then you or the other end of the looks pool. be yourself, make her laugh. polite doesn't hurt.. do not pretend to be something your not..
Perfect advice in your last paragraph - right on accurate.
HollyMann2 years ago
Being funny helps too. Not acting too serious - too over-the-top - that stuff can scare women off. If you're nervous and it shows - that's ok - it is sweet. If you're interested in someone and you think it's worth pursuing - get the nerve to go up to her and chat. Life is too short to walk away on that! ;) BUT, do not call and text her constantly once you get the number ...that = overwhelming or obsessive - take it easy and keep it light.
this is soo true

i used these steps and now im dating blonde blue-eyed TWIN MODELS
uk2k104 years ago
why is everyone on this page a liar? stop giving stupid hopeful advice to people when you know for a fact it won't work. the only way to get a girl out of your league is to be her friend. the only type of relationship that will come from all your hard work and devotion is friendship and nothing more. unfortunately, most good looking women are pawns and won't even give a person whose character is that of a saint a chance to sweep them away from their feet. besides, in the unlikely chance that one actually does get a hot girlfriend then the most likely outcome is that she would betray you becausem truthfully, a woman that lucked out in the gene pool is in a position that preys on the weak. so one has two options available: (1) face the rejection from the get-go and face the ridiculous friendship option or (2) face the betrayal

in my opinion it is better to die alone. this solitude will make you strong.

now watch some punk complain and moan about my pessimistic view. its not pessimistic. it is the truth. i've been there. and i mean that with both outcomes as mentioned above.

lylek1 uk2k103 years ago
And start drinking alcohol, once you get a girl drunk it's easy ..
lylek1 uk2k103 years ago
you right but you can pull it off .. confidence, dress and groom yourself (designer clothes), go out clubbing and dance with beautiful girls ( lucky ima good looking south african with rhythm ), get ur confidence up .. if you rich, its easy picking ..

and being alone and facing rejection levels you up, afterwards you'll be playing them. No need to fall in love, it's about getting a piece!

yeah boy!
Muscpro uk2k103 years ago
hey uk2kio
your name sounds like a second chancer and when u tried again obviously got very hurt.
Read johnpoole's story about his 'miss virginia' wife who as he says although he is such an ugly mug got them so many great grandkidz.
This wipes away your own self impressions which very few, besides the woefull - oh poor me type, will take note of.
I have friends across the globe who bond on a universal belief. Inner character brings this. No one including you is without value. Looks fade with age like most else. So clear out the mist friend and look outward not inward for friends.
Our creator taught this basic principle which has never proved false if done unconditionally.
ilpug uk2k103 years ago
i see your point of veiw. I just am more optimistic.
jdubaya uk2k103 years ago
ugly dudes get ugly gilfriends, just lower your standards
It's kinda funny the "hot" girls in the pic AREN'T EVEN HOT. ROFL
lylek1 SirClem3 years ago
I was thinking the same thing lol ..
you really got issues if you got to resort to the web on how to meet girls
dont say that you are ugly dudes you should be able to believe in your self OK. my name is hamza from ghana
that is soooo rude. Shape up. This is not an insult site.
Vonzen4 years ago
im almost 15 and i like a girl who is like probably the hottest girl in the universe, i CANNOT ask a girl like this out, she's popular but likes punk, she has orange/brown long hair with hot eyes, she is twins with this other girl who is best friends with one of my good friends, i have a friend from another skwl who likes the twin sster of the one i like, it wuldnt be that hard if my friend dated her sister, coz id like invite them and probs the girl i like would come to somewer (werever) but my friend also thinks shes too hot 4 him, i think hes awsum (he got like 8 pack n stuff, long brown sora hair, hes tall, he plays soccer (as do i)etc) it would be gr8 to go with her to yr 10 formal but i think it jus wont happen, oh and this is weird,  tried one of those spell sites and she sort of looked at me a lot in photography class the next day, she also let me borrow her earfones, at the end i smiled and thanked her but thats as far as that went, confidence to talk with THE perfect girl is harder than hell on earth. help pls
Let's cut to the root of the matter: You said "I like a girl." Don't sell yourself short, and quit pretending that she's perfect. You're attracted to her. That's great. Go hang out with her and see if you click - maybe you will, maybe you won't. Maybe she will be perfect and find you perfect. Or maybe you guys find that you're just an normal okay couple. Or maybe you find out she isn't at all suitable as girlfriend material. You're letting your expectations screw up everything, dude. Don't discount your own intrinsic awesomeness. (By the way : "Too hot for him" - thats the dumbest thing I ever heard - did you ever consider maybe she wants to be with him?)
Hey buddy you could do well on those uplifting seminar shows. Really great stuff!
Duuuuuuude! Go for it. You're better than you think. Nobody is really out of your league. Just be yourself, because your natural, unique attitude and REAL personality is more attractive than anything else.
ilpug Vonzen4 years ago
i think that you should just go up to her and tell her she is freaking amazing, and ask her.
The ironman3 years ago
i have one thing to say about that seconed pictures and that no you dont

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