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Well, the time has come. I have been holding on to this plan for a while hoping to make some serious dough, but alas, I must let it go in hopes that it gets done. The world is more important that paying off my student loans.

ps If anyone want to make this happen, throw me a bone, or at least give me credit.
 
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Step 1: Fuel of the future now

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Well, so I might not be able to solve every problem all at once, so I'll get specific. I'm and talking about energy and transportation.

If you want the real energy/transportation solution it would require everyone living a life style that they don't like, so we'll have to do the next best thing.

I'm not talking about electric, hydrogen, hybrids, veggie oil, or biodiesel. I don't expect everyone to walk to work either. I am talking about ethanol. Oooooh, I know its a bad things, but hear me out. And I am going to call it Fuel Alcohol from this point on.

The fuel of the future is domestically produced fuel alcohol(AKA ethanol)
matthew127 says: Jul 17, 2010. 1:08 PM
Check out hydrogen on demand
briackman says: Jun 30, 2009. 1:00 PM
I don't think ethanol is a good fuel, partially because it needs water, then we are depleting another resource, and we aren't even ready for desaltinzation, or whatever we do to turn ocean water into fresh water, plus I don't believe in hydrogen, which means two other alternatives, but biofuel also water so I'll go with electric (P.S. electric cars are maintenance free, while internal combustion engines are relativley expensive to maintain)
Pakmiran in reply to briackmanAug 18, 2009. 7:40 PM
Unfortunately, electric cars have their considerable downsides as well. First of all, the electricity required to charge them is created by power plants, and the power plants that pump out the most (and the most reliable) power are fueled by oil, coal, or natural gas. Renewable energy has yet to be developed widely enough to provide the amount of energy required to fuel an entire economy based on electric cars. The other nasty is about the batteries. Admittedly, internal combustion vehicles have batteries as well, but an electric car must choose between larger battery banks or decreased range. Those batteries are ecological disasters, often containing lead, always containing caustic acids, and (with the newer ones) housing highly reactive elements. The final problem is one I've already mentioned, and that's range. Most electric cars have a range of anywhere from sixty to a hundred miles--barely enough for a two-hour round trip. While that may be enough for some, it has serious limitations. So electric needs a lot of work, too.
TehBeastDooD says: Aug 23, 2009. 7:57 AM
Well... this is a great idea, but I know people who are already developing HYDROGEN fuel from water. 100 percent safe, and the output... is water... completely reusable and you can use either salt water or freshwater. also, it also uses oxygen in the water. when the water is evaporated, the gases come back. much better miles per gallon too.
sharlston says: May 15, 2009. 8:14 AM
you can use a fuel magnet befre my dads car ran 21mpg now its 32mpg
LancePenney says: Sep 14, 2008. 10:37 AM
Ok economicly this is a great idea but ethanol is not really a clean burning fuel. For every molecule of ethanol that is produced by fermentation, two molecules of CO2 are produced...and we havent even burned it yet. We're still going to have a big problem with global warmng due to the greenhouse gases. Also, we will still produce some smog because of burned oil from the IC engines. I believe that we're all going to have to get all of our energy from the wind and sun. Every household will need to generate their own electricity to power either electric cars, or to make hydrogen for hydrogen cars.
YeldarbNoj in reply to LancePenneyApr 13, 2009. 10:22 AM
Have you considered the CO2 output from the production of batteries for an electric car? The CO2 produced by fermentation is canceled out by the CO2 stored by the growth of the plant in the first place. Next years crop will reabsorb the CO2 produced by this years fermentation. And I might add that the air coming out of an alcohol burning engine is much cleaner than the average air going in...so... it is actually cleaning the smog from the air. Hydrogen is good; but we're not there yet, there is still the electricity needed to break the HH-O bond. Nuclear would be the most "green." My question is how much energy are we using to produce the alcohol? It seems to defeat the CO2 emissions gain, but I would prefer to use a wood fueled "continuous still" because I'm not a global warming sycophant. Wood is easy to come by in Montana.
hfg666 says: Feb 2, 2009. 12:03 PM
Obviously.. ethanol fueled cars is NOT the future. A BIG NONO!

Because combustion = carbon, and carbon = bad, thats not how you save the world.

The future is Electric cars, fueled with electricity, that comes from the SUN! YES!
(or wind, or any REAL renewable energy source!)
Pixel_Master in reply to hfg666Apr 6, 2009. 1:04 PM
Well, for now, the ethanol powered cars are a better solution because it works better than solar powered cars (at least now, since they only work in full sunlight). Maybe later in the future, when solar cells/panels are much more effective, maybe then we could use Solar cars more often. But as of now, this method with ethanol is ALOT better.
popman in reply to hfg666Mar 6, 2009. 10:31 AM
the carbon in the air is drawn into the plants when they grow and burning them would produce no more carbon hen taken away from the atmosphere.

let me put it this way is this extra carbon going to come from?
beberly37 (author) in reply to hfg666Feb 2, 2009. 1:43 PM
If you think that all CO2 is bad, then you better stop breathing.....you are exhaling a greenhouse gas.

The difference between your breath and the CO2 from burning gas/oil/other fossil fuel is that your CO2 came from your food. Which came from its food. which, depending on you diet, at some point came from the CO2 in the atmosphere. How you say?...plants breath in CO2. They turn it into O2 and hydro-carbons, like starch, sugar and cellulose. You eat it and turn it back to CO2, they breath and make HC's, you eat..CO2, HC;s......get the picture. Its a closed cycle. The same amount of CO2 is always there.

However oil, which once was plants and animals millions of years ago when there was more CO2 in the atmosphere and there were no polar ice caps and the earth was much hotter, has been stored...prevented from returning to the air, hence a cooler planet, polar ice caps and the current amount of CO2. Burning this puts "new" CO2 in the air. CO2 that is not part of our cycle. Thus increasing the amount in the atmosphere.

I do like the idea of electric cars. There are some problems...
1) most of the electricity in the US comes from burning coal
2) if all of cars were electric, we would more than likely quadruple the amount of electricity that we use
3) batteries are a dirty business, very polluting to make/dispose of
4) 240,000,000 cars on the road in the us(depending on which google search you believe). None of them can be easily or cheaply made to be electric. Thats a lot of cars to throw away and replace. Every car on the road can be quickly/cheaply/reliably made to run on ethanol or biodiesel
5) $$$ some big business man has proposed making all of our electricty from wind. at the ticket of 1trillion or so. Making ethanol plants will cost $60billion. Thats a big difference.
http://www.pickensplan.com/act/
Thanks for the comment.
Pixel_Master in reply to beberly37Apr 6, 2009. 1:06 PM
And don't forget that you also have to breath in a certain amount of CO2, since breathing too much pure oxygen would give you constant headaches, and just wouldn't be good for you.
EnigmaMax says: Mar 10, 2009. 5:41 PM
I saved the world!!!
Guy.Fawkes says: Nov 18, 2008. 10:49 AM
@cjpmann: killerjackalope explains that alcohol is made from food crops, and that's why (he thinks) it's not the solution. Instead of backing up your opinion, you provide a link to a commercial Web site that makes money from promoting alcohol as a fuel. Do you have any actual facts to support your position, and can you refute the obvious fact that using food crops to produce fuel will reduce the amount of available food?
beberly37 (author) in reply to Guy.FawkesNov 18, 2008. 4:29 PM
According to the USDA and the US grain council websites, a large majority of the corn grown in the US in not food. Repeat... NOT FOOD. Corn is animal feed. You can make alcohol from corn or many other and better crops and the waste product is animal food, so making alcohol does not displace food. Alcohol might increase the price of corn, but it will decrease the price of Dried Distillers Grains which is better animal feed. Cheaper DDG's off sets the more expensive Field Corn, which is a different crop and a different market for sweet corn which is the food that people eat. As far as the alcohol can be a gas site, I know David Blume personally and while we do not see eye to eye on many things, I do know that he does not make money promoting alcohol. He has been an advocate since the 80's and is a professional Permaculturalist and permaculture teacher. The major idea......CORN IS NOT FOOD.
integrator says: Nov 14, 2008. 9:44 PM
I don't know if your numbers add up either, but generally speaking, in makes sense. You can tell some people that commented didn't actually read it, and some people read the opposite somewhere, and that'must be the gospel truth. Open mind people. Check facts, not news stories. Then check the facts again.
Ifer says: Nov 14, 2008. 6:50 PM
Wonderful! Now all we need to do is get governmental people to read this, and we can get started!
mattsanford says: Oct 23, 2008. 5:16 PM
Many kinds of hydrogen production release carbondioxide as well though. There are worse greenhouse gases then CO2 though, I think methane is one of them. Of course we need some greenhouse gases to keep our planet from freezing, just finding the balance is what is our problem. It seems that using wind, solar & hydro power in order to generate other sources of higher energy fuels may be the best bet, and I gotta say that is very impressive to remove the starch from corn before feeding the animals (and reduce the methane), and is the right road to start on for our oil addicted society.
mattsanford says: Oct 23, 2008. 5:03 PM
The other thing that drives up the price of the food is speculators - "corn will be used for fuel so let's charge more!" is the line of thought...
bobbycox says: Sep 8, 2008. 7:11 PM
Very interesting information. I live in the corn belt. I also live in an area with several ethanol plants. Anyone who still claims we are trading "food for fuel" in this process has never talked to a corn producer or a cattle producer. They have also never walked through a cow pasture. I have done all three. Often whole corn passes through a cow just like it passes through a human, virtually untouched. Farmers for the first time in decades are making a profit from corn rather than from government handouts and cattle operations are thrilled to feed DDGs to the cows. As rimar2000 said "I don't know if your numbers are correct, but I think the general idea is correct."
cjpmann says: Aug 24, 2008. 5:32 PM
killerjackalope, you are wrong. Alcohol IS the answer.
http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.net/

JettyMae says: Aug 17, 2008. 1:52 PM
well I do not believe that ethonal will be a good fuel; its dirty and takes so much energy to process it almost not worth it in the end. I also think that it will make mass production even more promenit which won't help the situation to save the earth! I believe in small family farms, not big industrial ones. Overall I believe that using renewable resources are good; but ones that don't take humans to subside; like wind or water, solar power is good too. and also just spreading awareness about our impact can never hurt in the least.
beberly37 (author) in reply to JettyMaeAug 17, 2008. 9:43 PM
I appreciate your comment, however I have to ask why you say ethanol is "dirty". Also how much energy does it take to make ethanol? Ethanol is not the answer. Only ethanol done the why I suggest is the answer. Covering the country in GMO corn solely grown for ethanol is not at all sustainable. But using the crops that are already grown more efficiently drastically reduces the footprint of ethanol. Wind, water and solar are great, but you can not drive the current fleet of 600 million cars in the US on solar power. Sure we could switch to electric cars (which are great) but then we have to throw away all of our car and make new ones. There is no question that our country's dependence on ethanol will increase. We can do it the big industry dirty way or my way.
macgyvermoose says: Aug 17, 2008. 12:09 AM
I believe in this plan its just that the disbelievers of our society won't let it happen. Some of the comments made here are very good examples of the brain washing that has taken place through the guise of news networks and other forms of media. Those who are unwilling to see the truth of it can't even accept that their tastes in clothes are determined by what the consumer driven economy has decided is right to wear. Beyond that though is evidence of a deep rooted paranoia that if the economy were to improve it wouldn't be long before it got worse than before. While this seems to be the historical trend it is only because of those who have lost faith in their country. Indeed if Americans could only learn to believe and take pride in what used to be a great country then perhaps it could be true once more.
enzoluis says: Aug 8, 2008. 7:31 AM
Where do you get that data? I read in a Saab site that their etanol engines are almost as efficients as they diesel engines, not so far more efficients.
beberly37 (author) in reply to enzoluisAug 8, 2008. 1:24 PM
beberly37 (author) says: Jul 30, 2008. 4:41 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love the discourse, but please when you respond with contradictory statements, give some data. Did you read the whole thing???? We are not talking about food crops. Corn is not a food crop, about 2-5% of the corn grown in the US is eaten by people(depending on who's numbers you use). 2-5% is corn, corn meal, corn chips, popcorn, tortillas, etc. Almost 90% of the corn grown in the US goes to feed animals. Making alcohol does not divert the corn. It only diverts the corn starch. About 20% of the corn now is made into alcohol (for fuel). The price of dried distillers grain, the left overs that we feed to animals has bottomed out, which means cheaper food, ie cheaper beef. The reason that food prices are rising is because of the falling value of the dollar and the rising oil prices. Running tractors is more expensive, shipping food is more expensive, buy fertilizers (made from oil) is more expensive. Nothing to do with ethanol. Also, we do not import ethanol, we don't buy it from other countries, the deforestation it to plant palm oil and soybeans for bio-diesel. Also, our corn not considered food in other countries. They won't eat it because it is GMO. I have been studying this for years, I have heard every argument, I have done the calculations myself. It is an economically sound and scientifically solid plan.
Kiteman in reply to beberly37Jul 31, 2008. 3:24 AM
"I have been studying this for years..." - well maybe you ought to check your sources:

"converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia and the United States creates a 'biofuel carbon debt' by releasing 17 to 420 times more carbon dioxide than the fossil fuels they replace."
(Reference)

It's all very well saying that the US can supply it's own needs this way, but fuel and GW are global concerns.



You are also wrong to say that the US does not import ethanol - they import it from Brazil because corn-based ethanol costs 50% more than cane-based ethanol.



Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential World Bank report obtained by the Guardian.

The figure emphatically contradicts the US government's claims that plant-derived fuels contribute less than 3% to food-price rises.

First, it has diverted grain away from food for fuel, with over a third of US corn now used to produce ethanol

(Reference)



...I have done the calculations myself...

  • 2-5% of the corn...is eaten by people.
  • Almost 90% ...goes to animals
  • 20% ...is made into alcohol (for fuel)
So, that is how you make it work - you use 115% of the corn grown in the US.



It took me about two minutes to find the data to blow you plans out of the water. I have also provided you with three more references for data than you provided to support your original claims.
beberly37 (author) in reply to KitemanJul 31, 2008. 3:00 PM
According to the Renewable Fuels Association we imported 188 million gallons of ethanol from Brazil in 2007, we made 6 billion gallons in 2007 in the US, that’s 3% that we imported from Brazil. I'll revise my previous statement…We barely import any ethanol into the US.
Kiteman in reply to beberly37Jul 31, 2008. 3:27 PM
What else do you need to revise?
beberly37 (author) in reply to KitemanJul 31, 2008. 2:54 PM
Okay, I still want to know if you read the whole Instructable. When you make corn into alcohol, you do not loose any of the animal feed. Of the corn we grow in the US 90% ends up as animal feed. 20% is made into alcohol and then the left overs(Dried distillers grains) are feed to animal. About 60% is fed to cows as actual corn, the other 30%(of the 90% that ends up as animal feed) is industrial leftovers from alcohol, high fructose corn syrup and modified corn starch. All three processes remove the starch from the corn and only the starch, leaving behind all of the valuable nutrients that cows eat. Cows can not actually process starch, it turns into methane in their stomachs. Methane being a green house gas.

My suggestion is that we do not need to plant more crops. We do not need to cut down rain forest. All we have to do is use the crops that we have in a more efficient way.

When you use an animal feed crop to make alcohol you get to use the crop twice.
This is an important part, so read it
If you feed corn to cows and do not make alcohol from it first, you are wasting the fuel, it is like dumping it down the drain. Between 2000 and 2007 the US has feed over 70 billion gallons of fuel alcohol to cows, because we did not make the alcohol first.

Also, you clearly have not read the whole Instructable, because I do not think we should use corn, it is a terrible crop. We need to grow Jerusalem Artichokes. Using JA's instead of corn to feed our livestock and making alcohol out of it first, we can supply all of our animal feed requirements and exceed our fuel requirements with the same acreage we already are farming.

The 17-420 times as much CO2 is planting on virgin land, did you read that article completely?

Also, look at where the statistics are coming from. Why would the world bank, which relies heavily on petroleum for the economy of the world say food prices are going up from oil prices, they need a scape-goat. With my plan in ten years the US would not need any petroleum for its transportation, how would that affect oil company stakeholders?

Alcohol from crops adds value to the crop...it can be sold and used twice. A fuel producer pays a little more for the corn (or JA's) because they know they can recoup when they sell the DDG's to cattle and dairy farmers. But since it is a waste produce they sell it for less than if it were straight grain. Therefore farmers can pay less for better quality animal feed and raise cattle for less money, which means.....lower food prices. Also cheaper fuel means lower food prices too.

There is only one hole in my plan, but you have to be an ethical vegan or vegetarian to see it. However, I do have a solution for that one too if anyone wants to bring it up.

BOTTOM LINE
For this plan you do not need to plant more crops, cut down rainforest, or steal food from anyone's mouth. We are only using crops more efficiently.

ps google "cornell notes" they might prove helpful
Kiteman in reply to beberly37Jul 31, 2008. 3:26 PM
Well done, you've saved the world.

Nice, easy, exactly as you said.

Feel better?

Small thing, you demanded replies give references. Where are yours?

Try and respond without paranoia or attempting sarcasm, please.
beberly37 (author) says: Jul 31, 2008. 3:15 PM
Sorry but you got me going....
Food prices
This article is a study that shows that fuel prices are 3 times more involved in the food prices than ethanol. It also says that the food price increase has to do with the ethanol blender tax credit, not the actual production of ethanol.
Kiteman says: Jul 30, 2008. 4:43 AM
Nice idea, but based on a false premise - large amounts of food-grade crops are already being diverted to make ethanol, which has already been shown to be driving up food prices.

In the third world, large areas that were producing food are now producing fuel. Consequence - the locals have no food, and no money to buy it.

Fresh incidences of deforestation are also occurring because of the desire for greater crop-area devoted to ethanol.

I'm all for biofuels, but they must be sourced from agricultural wastes, not redirected foods. Ferment animal manure to obtain methane. Burn the stems of the corn. Use hydroponics to grow algae for oil, then feed the solid wastes to cattle (it's high in protein).

But corn or maize for alcohol? Bad news.
Tool Using Animal in reply to KitemanJul 30, 2008. 6:49 PM
And the problem with using agricultural waste is that it leads to depletion of the soil and erosion, increasing reliance on synthetic fertilizers.
beberly37 (author) in reply to Tool Using AnimalJul 31, 2008. 3:04 PM
This is a concern of mine too. However, if we look at our whole country as a system. We have excess animal waste in areas that are causing environmental concerns and we are adding synthetic nutrients to the soil. We need to cycle our nutrients, human and animal waste needs to be returned to the soil from where the originated. This eliminates the animal waste environmental problems and the need for petroleum based fertilizers.
PS118 says: Jul 30, 2008. 11:30 AM
Good information. And I'm a huge fan of the idea of getting away from petroleum. (For sheer interest in defunding terrorism, if nothing else!) Unfortunately Ethenol won't save anybody a single red cent due to increased food cost, and the fact that its journey to your gas tank goes through the same oil conglomerates that already know what you're willing to spend. Also, it still involves burning a carbon compound. That means there are still pollutants (though far less of them) produced. Does that mean we shouldn't bother? No. It just means it's not the solution that will "save the world". I guess we just have to wait for an instructable on a better way. ;)
ll.13 says: Jul 30, 2008. 7:26 AM
I'm waiting for the Apocalypse.
rimar2000 says: Jul 30, 2008. 5:32 AM
I don't know if your numbers are correct, but I think the general idea is correct. The true problem is to sow and to grow the idea. Nothing can be made with 100 or 200 persons, it needs millions with the same objective. Pardon my poor English, I speak Spanish.
killerjackalope says: Jul 30, 2008. 4:16 AM
Wrong wrong wrong... Alcohol is not a good future fuel, considering it's failings as also being made from a food crop...
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