Hydroponic Drip Garden for Vegetables, Herbs or Flowers

 by dirty_valentine
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The picture below shows the two hydroponic drip systems I built that are covered by this instructable. The prototype system was built about 3 weeks prior to the taking of the picture. All the plants currently residing in the prototype are between 1 and 2 1/2 weeks old. The prototype has been working so well I build a second system for plant staging. This instructable chronicles the construction of the second system, as well as growing progress updates in Step 15.

How the System Works
The hydroponic nutrients are stored in the black plastic box. A water pump inside the box pumps the nutrients up to the drip lines at the top, thus providing nutrient solution to the grow media (clay balls in my case) and plants inside the white plastic pots. The nutrients will drain out the bottom of the plastic pots which is then collected by the recessed yellow lid that the pots sit on. Holes in the lid allow the nutrients to drain back into the black plastic box. I currently have a timer that waters the plants for 15 minutes every hour that the light is on, and then twice more during the night.

Hydroponic Systems; What is best for you?
I have been using two basic hydroponic systems: Raft and Drip. Other hydroponic systems include: Ebb and Flow, Nutrient Film, Aeroponic and Fog.
The raft system works by floating the plants right on top of the nutrient solution. An air pump and air stone are used to aerate the nutrients. The raft system is really good for growing lettuce but most plants thrive better without their roots submerged right in the nutrients.
The drip system works in much the same way that plants normally get watered. Nutrients are provided to the top of the grow media by gravity or a pump which draws much needed oxygen into the media as the nutrients drain out. This method should work well for almost any type of plant. Pump failure and cloged drip lines are the down side of this method.
The Ebb and Flow system is a popular system for home hydroponics. Pots are placed in a tub that is flooded with a couple inches of nutrients using a water pump. This waters the pots from the bottom up. After the tub is flooded, the pump is turned off and the tub drains back into the nutrient reservoir. One downside of this type of system is you need a large reservoir to hold all the nutrients necessary for flooding the tub as well as enough left over so the pump does not run dry. Like the drip system you also have the possibility of pump failure.
The Nutrient Film system works by placing the plant roots on a thin layer of flowing nutrients. From what I have read, these systems are hard to set up and thus not a good place to start for the home hydroponic enthusiast.
The Aeroponic and Fog systems work by atomizing the nutrients which the roots are sprayed with, or suspended in. This can be a very powerful method for growing plants as the atomized solution contains much oxygen, which the roots thrive in. Most of the home bought systems labeled as "Aeroponic" are not really aeroponic system though. These home systems use small fountain pumps and spray nozzles to spray the bottom of net cups and roots. The tiny fountain pumps cannot produce the kind of pressure necessary to atomize the nutrient solution so the gain over a drip or ebb and flow system are questionable. I have avoided these systems as the tiny spray nozzles seem more likely to clog than the larger drip emitters. Fog systems are fairly new and I do not know about the reliability or availability of these systems for the home hydroponic enthusiast.
 
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Step 1: Materials Needed

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Here are the items you will need:
1 - 27 gallon heavy duty plastic storage box with recessed plastic lid
10' of 1/2" PVC pipe
5 - 90 deg PVC elbows
3 - PVC T connectors
1 - 3/4" to 1/2" PVC reducer
1 - 3/4" PCV pipe to 3/4" Male Thread connector
4 - 1/2" PVC J-Hook Hangers
1 - Male Quick Disconnect to male 3/4" hose thread
1 - Female Quick Disconnect to female 3/4" hose thread
1 - 1/2" hose barb to female 3/4" hose thread
1 - rubber washer with filter screen
3' of 1/2" flexible rubber hose
1 - Active Aqua PU160 water pump
12' 1/4' O.D. drip line hose
12 - Drip stakes or drip nozzles with tie down stakes
12 - Square Plastic pots sized to fit 3 across top of tote lid
1 - 24 Hr timer with 15 minute on/off timing intervals

The first 11 items on the list were all purchased from Home Depot and can be picked up at most hardware stores. The remaining item were purchased from a local hydroponics store in Billerica MA [www.greenlifegardensupply.com]. I highly recommend them if you are local; If not most items can be picked up via the WEB or at a local garden supply shop. I purchased everything new for a total cost of about $70.

Tools Needed
Miter box and miter saw or hack saw for cutting PVC
Sand paper, small round file, or deburring tool to debur cut PVC
PVC purple primer and cement adhesive
Electric Drill with assorted bits
1" speedbor bit or 1" hole saw
Awl or Nail to place drill starting mark in PVC
Utility knife

Hydroponic Supplies Needed
Your choice of hydroponic nutrients (I'm using Botanicare Pure Blend Pro)
Your choice of grow media (I used about 15 liters of clay balls)
diy_bloke says: Dec 15, 2012. 7:40 AM
Interesting. I always find it hard though to get the plants from tiny seedling to thrive in clay balls. tried raising them first in vermiculite (with nutrients) but that gives bad results. Any tips on what to do with the sprouts until big enough to put in the clay balls?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to diy_blokeDec 15, 2012. 12:53 PM
Start the seedlings off in peat pots of rock wool starters. Once the roots start appearing outside the pot/starter, plant the whole thing in the clay balls. The pot/starter provides the support for the seedling until the roots can establish in the clay balls. 've had good luck using this method.

I have not had great luck buying seedlings in dirt. You have to wash away the dirt before planting in the clay balls. I think this is pretty traumatic to the plant.
diy_bloke in reply to dirty_valentineDec 15, 2012. 1:30 PM
Thanks. I have bad results with rock wool. that is why I tried vermiculite. Oh well. I'll just keep trying.
I heard about washing away the dirt, indeed that seems pretty traumatic but maybe some plants can take it, but then you have to sort of spread out the roots amongst the clayballs
Dandeman321 says: Oct 1, 2012. 11:36 AM
Great instructable! Not sure if you're still monitoring this and responding to comments but I was wondering what the purpose of the PVC was? Why not use barbed tees like these: http://www.amazon.com/Rain-Drip-307025B-Barbed-4-Inch/dp/B000BQW9KC/ref=pd_luc_bxgy_01_01_t_lh

I think it would save a chunk of change. Is it because the pressure of the water coming out of the pump is too high? and the larger PVC pipes allow it to slow down?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to Dandeman321Oct 1, 2012. 12:32 PM
I was worried about the pots falling over as the plants grow larger so I used the PVC to provide support around the pots. Too much pressure is not a issue. In fact the pump used barely provides enough pressure to run all the drip tubes. If you run the pump without the drip ends on the tubes, nutrients will not flow out all of the tubes. With the drip ends on, it works fine though.

You totally could use the barbs and skip the PVC. Others have suggested that, and If I had to do everything over again, I might do just that. I would still want some kind of support around the pots for tall plants. Small plants are probably ok without the support as the clay balls weigh quite a bit.
Dandeman321 in reply to dirty_valentineOct 1, 2012. 1:17 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Also, I like the quick disconnect idea. You can easily disassemble the whole system to clean/service a single part or when you want to drain. You still using this system? Working good still? I'm thinking about building one this weekend and starting some plants for winter. I was going to do tomatoes, peppers, lettuce, and give strawberries a try just for fun. Are these good beginner plants??
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to Dandeman321Oct 1, 2012. 6:31 PM
This system would be good for strawberries, but they are a perennial plant, so you would have to keep the system going year round. Personally I would use dirt for strawberries. You will find that it is a bit of work keeping a drip system going. I enjoy doing it through a growing cycle, but I prefer dirt for plants with a long life. Dirt is lower maintainence and tends to be more forgiving than hydro. The longer the system is run the more careful you need to be about the PH and PPM of the nutrient solution.

For tomatoes and peppers you will need bigger pots like the bato buckets I have in the back of my set up. You can just use bigger pots with this set up, but you will only get a couple per storage box. This system is good for starting large plants, or harvesting small plants (like pees, beans and herbs).

This system works well for letuce, but I recommend that you build a raft system for lettuce. Lettuce works very well with a raft system, and it is a lot less maintainance since it uses an air pump instead of a nutrient pump. Here is a link on how to build one:
http://www.hydroponics-simplified.com/support-files/mini-lettuce-raft-pdf.pdf
I've found that you can start the lettuce in Jiffy peat pellets and when the roots start growing out of the peat pellet, you just drop it into the raft (skip the clay balls all together). They look pretty bad after being dropped in the solution but they recover in a day or two. use 1/2 or 1/4 strength nutrient to start.

At this point I mostly grow bananna peppers, tomatoes and lettuce. So I use the bato buckets and lettuce rafts and don't tend to use this system any more. It works great for small plants, but that is not really what I am into growing now.
Dandeman321 in reply to dirty_valentineOct 1, 2012. 8:18 PM
Wow, thanks for all of the info and taking the time to respond! I was thinking about doing a few small pots for lettuce, maybe 1-2 tomatoes, a pepper plant or two, and then a couple strawberries. I mostly want to use the for 1 grow cycle, something to allow me to grow some stuff in the winter months. After one grow cycle I could always keep it going as long as I had the patience for. If the strawberries start to die out because the pH or PPM gets way out of wack, oh well.

I don't have a lot of room since I'm in an apartment, so a small experimental setup is a good start I think. I saw those lettuce raft designs and thought it was cool, I have a few air pumps leftover from my last hydroponics adventure so maybe I'll make a small one of those.

What system do you use now to grow your peppers and tomatoes? Something new?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to Dandeman321Oct 3, 2012. 7:48 AM
If you are just starting out and have limited space start with lettuce and herbs. Skip the peppers and tomatoes as you will be disappointed in the results unless you have big enough space and pots for them to grow. Skip the strawberries too because they take a year or more before they really start bearing fruit.

For my peppers and tomatoes I use a bato bucket system:
http://www.simplyhydro.com/bato_bucket_plans.htm
You can see the bato buckets in the background of my grow area photo
Dandeman321 in reply to dirty_valentineOct 3, 2012. 8:14 AM
Yeah I was thinking about space too. I mean, I'm not too cramped. My girlfriend and I share a 2 bedroom apartment. I should be able to find enough room in there, otherwise I could fit it along the sliding glass door window in our living room and get a bunch of natural light . Came up with a plan though. I'll have your system as the main grow area for the smaller plants. When the tomatoes and peppers, or any other plant I try like cucumbers, get too large for those I'm going to transfer them into those netted pot lids that fit on top of 5 gallon buckets. I have the air pumps already and I figure I'll have buckets around for de-chlorinating the water with air stones for the main system, why not use them for grow buckets. Buckets are cheap at lowes, 3 for $6 I think, and the lids are $5 each at the hydroponics store. Just need some air stones from walmart.

You can use clear tubing from airpump to airstone, right? No moisture no algae? Also, what size pots do you use for your larger plants? They sell 6 in and 10 in lid pots. Is 6 in large enough? or should I go with the 10?

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions!
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to Dandeman321Oct 3, 2012. 11:33 AM
I highly recommend that you pick up a good book on hydroponics and read it before you start so you understand what you are doing. Since you are just starting out there is a lot you will need to know that will go far beyond what I am willing to answer in this forum. Two good books that I can think of are "How To Hydroponics" and "Hydroponics for Everyone". The first book gives very good description of different hydro systems you can build at home. The second book gives a good understanding of the hydroponic process, what to grow, and how to grow it. These books will provide all the information you need to get going and will save me a lot of typing. Good Luck.
Dandeman321 in reply to dirty_valentineOct 3, 2012. 12:13 PM
Thanks for the suggestions! I've spent the last few days reading up on the whole process. A lot of good information. I've watched quite a few youtube videos on different parts of the process as well. I'd estimate I spent about 10-13 hours of reading/planning so far so I feel like I've got a pretty good grasp on the basics. I went through a 60 page hydroponics book as well. I feel pretty confident on my first go around. If something fails it'll just give me something else to fill up my free time with!
PhishyAl says: May 7, 2012. 10:50 AM
I cannot locate 1/2" PVC j-hooks anywhere. The smallest diameter of PVC pipe that I can seem to find is 1 1/2" j-hooks. Help.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to PhishyAlMay 8, 2012. 12:14 PM
I have not looked for them in a while, but I did find mine at Home Depot. Do you have a Home Depot near you? If so did you ask someone in the plumbing department where they might be? I could not find them online at HomeDepot.com, but I did find a listing on the Lowes web site:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_300616-34146-AV300616_0__?productId=3223403
gneal says: Jul 5, 2011. 12:23 PM
Thanks for the post. I haven't actually done hydroponics since I took a section of my Manufacturing class in 9th grade. I want to start back into, but I don't know where to get the best hydroponic supplies. Have any suggestions?
brsullivan in reply to gnealMar 20, 2012. 7:33 AM
Find a hydro supply store with good shipping rates. The biggest killer is always the shipping on these type of supplies. Local stores may be able to compete on price if you're lucky or if you can find what you want. Unfortunately there isn't a Walmart style hydro store.

Case in point... Farmtek sells some really nice NFT channels that I was going to buy for a small lettuce system (Can't find these locally). Pricewise they really aren't all that bad, so for ~$50 I could have had a decent sized system in the basement (Probably 30 heads of lettuce). However, they basically told me UPS won't ship anything over 7 ft. So of course if UPS ain't shipping it, it has to go freight. They have a flat charge of $120 for a freight shipment. So my $50 order basically jumped three fold in price just due to the shipping. You'd have to be starting a greenhouse to make it worth your while.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to gnealJul 5, 2011. 1:24 PM
I bought my grow light off ebay, but I don't remember the seller. I have also purchased stuff from Discount Hydroponics (http://discount-hydro.com/). They seem to have pretty good prices. Most of my hydroponic material was purchased locally at Greenlife (http://www.greenlifegardensupply.com/). Greenlife has stores in Billerica, MA and York, ME. If you can not find anything local there are plenty of online sited. Just google "hydroponic supplies" and have at it.
brsullivan says: Feb 10, 2012. 6:27 PM
Brilliant job! I just picked up one of those containers at Home Depot, can't believe how perfect they are and how cheap!

Couple of quick questions for you... are you aerating the solution at all with an air pump? What temp is your solution or I should say what is the general year round air temp?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to brsullivanFeb 10, 2012. 8:03 PM
I don't aerate the solution for any of my drip systems, only the lettuce raft. As for temperature of the solution it is just room temp. Unfortunately my grow room is in the basement which can get a little on the cool side (60-65F) during the winter months. This is my one complaint about the setup as I think my tomatoes would do better if it was warmer. It seems to take forever for the fruit to set and ripen. The lettuce on the other hand seems to love the cool. I could heat the room but it is not well insulated and I don't want to spend the money. Considering that the 400W lamp can not heat it adequately I would probably need a 1kW heater which would tipple the cost of the setup.
brsullivan in reply to dirty_valentineFeb 10, 2012. 11:49 PM
Thanks for the heads up. Mine are in my basement too which is the same temp, but my growth retardation on my green pepper plants is extreme which is why I asked. I've pretty much got a similar setup just using bato buckets w/ a 400W HPS.

I'm going to try aeration next, see if that helps and if that does nothing I might get a fish tank heater to raise the reservoir temp by 10 degrees. This is what's frustrating about hydro, when it's right it's really right and when it's wrong it could be one of a thousand things causing it.

Gotta say I also love your system for the portability potential. Just wash out the reservoir and you could use it as storage if you ever had to move!
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to brsullivanFeb 11, 2012. 5:32 AM
My green peppers did not do great either. Like the tomatoes they were slow to fruit and ripen. They also tended to be small, but they taste great. I'm betting it is the either the temperature or limited light. This year I tried growing the peppers in pots with soil. Outside the peppers did very well over the summer, but inside they are slow to produce as usual. I used the same soil and nutrients. I did have very good luck growing banana peppers so you might try that.
brsullivan in reply to dirty_valentineFeb 26, 2012. 4:46 PM
I can pretty much confirm that temp is playing a roll here. I transplanted two tomato plants and 8 lettuce plants into my bato bucket system. I left a bunch of plants in my sprouting dome. After about 2 weeks the hydro system transplants are performing as follows: Lettuce is thriving and the tomatoes are slow growing. After the same time in the sprouting dome: Tomatoes are thriving, lettuce is slow growing. The dome gets much hotter than the hydro system since it is enclosed.

Also installed a bubbler which is only set to go on when the pump goes on, which is about ~3-4 minutes every 30 minutes (I have dripper tubes without the drip restrictor). So far it seems to be helping, but you are probably better setup to get reliable data on such an addition. At the very least, I no longer have to worry about giving them too much water.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to brsullivanFeb 27, 2012. 6:44 AM
Since my last post I sealed the room up and put a humidity sensor in there to vent the room when the humidity gets to 50%. The temperature is now hovering around 70-72F and the tomatoes seem to be improving. I had the humidity trip point at 65% originally, but I was starting to see mold, so I cut that it down to 50%. From past experience I know you need to be careful about letting the humidity get too high during the growth phase. I had a bunch of trouble with the tomato stems damping off just above the ceramic substrate when I started this project.
brsullivan in reply to dirty_valentineMar 20, 2012. 6:57 AM
Just thought of a great idea...

One of the drawbacks of your system is multiple reservoirs. With a 400 watt light you can definitely squeeze two of your systems comfortably in, maybe 3-4 if it's a tight squeeze (Lower light and high ceilings). Anyway to prevent having to manage multiple reservoirs you could just create some sort of fixed siphon tube between the two reservoirs. Have the pump in one reservoir sending nutrients to both tanks' plants. Both tanks will always balance out if you have the siphon tube connecting them, presumably evacuated of all air and the outlets on both almost at the bottom of both tanks.

The only negative in this setup is that ph changes will take a long time to take effect across both tanks and may only occur once the system starts pumping again. Also if the siphon gets evacuated, i.e., air gets into it, then you are in trouble. If the tube is clear though you could do a visual check everytime you come check on your plants with hardly any effort.

There is an undercurrent system that actually attaches reservoirs near the base of the tanks using pvc tube which could also work, but I wouldn't really trust that not to leak. The siphon at least prevents a leaky junction, but with potential leaks coming from a failed siphon vacuum when the pump overflows one side of the system.
nmarta131 says: Apr 7, 2009. 4:53 PM
Wow that is WAY COOL!!! What a great way to go ORGANIC and to help solve a lot of environmental problem from using pesticides and herbicides. What an amazing system! I can't wait to make one myself!!!!
brsullivan in reply to nmarta131Feb 27, 2012. 1:23 PM
While properly designed systems can save water, hydroponics is not generally organic although it may be pesticide free. They do sell organic nutrients but it is extremely hard to have a healthy system with these. I tried it myself and after about 2 weeks the reservoir would become absolutely filthy and disgusting forcing you to completely change out the water instead of just topping it off. After trying this two or three times I gave up. By sheer chance I was talking with one local store owner about using organic for hydro and he basically stated my exact experience. Bottom line seemed to be, get ready for lots of water changes if you want 100% organic.

Now I primarily use a commerical solution and add small amounts of organic solution to supplement it. As long as you don't overdo it with the organic solution, I think this is a happy medium. If you want 100% organic, stick with soil.
daagom says: May 29, 2009. 3:10 PM
Wow that worked phenomenally well! I hope you add an image of your first big harvest. Good work and thanks for the instructable.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to daagomMay 29, 2009. 7:10 PM
I have started harvesting (as of a couple weeks ago. I get a hand full of peas each day; they taste great on a salad or in stirfry. I have many tomatoes but they are ripening very slowly (only about 5 picked so far). I have a bell pepper about ready and a bunch more on the way. picked about half dozen banana peppers with more on the way. All in all I'm pretty happy with the results considering the small space utilized, and only a 400W HPS light used. I have a feeling I will be slowly harvesting things, rather than have one big harvest. I will try to get a few pics up of the fruits of my labor. Thanks for the comment!
ralphkaz in reply to dirty_valentineFeb 24, 2011. 2:29 PM
are you only using a single 400W HPS for all those different systems? if so, that's pretty good! do you have plans for either the float or bato bucket systems you are using as well?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to ralphkazFeb 24, 2011. 7:50 PM
I never did an instructable on either of those systems. I designed those system based on "How to Hydroponics" by Keith Roberto. The book does a good job of documenting both those systems.

I was only using a single 400W HPS for all those plants, but I found that the plants at the croners were getting a little light deprived. I added a light mover and it helped out a lot.
wolfy47 in reply to dirty_valentineMay 3, 2011. 5:50 AM
Maybe try using Mylar reflective material to reflect light back to the corners.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to wolfy47May 3, 2011. 6:44 AM
I actually tried putting up panda film to reflect more light to the corners with only limited success. You can only do so much with reflectors because the light intensity falls off rapidly with distance from artificial light. In my case I found that moving the light to where it was needed provided better results than trying to reflect it there. Thanks fro the post!
lazer155 says: Nov 11, 2010. 9:43 AM
I transplanted some sprouts I was growing in dirt to my hydroponic system i built based off your instructions, however 2 days after transplanting them, they are starting to wilt. I thought it might be because I have my system outside and it gets down to about 45 degrees Fahrenheit at night. Could this be causing them to wilt? Or maybe they need more sunlight? I have them in a spot where they receive about 10 hours of sunlight a day.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to lazer155Nov 12, 2010. 6:24 AM
Wilting is usually a sign of lack of water. It is not uncommon for transplanted plants to experience wilting. By removing the dirt before planting in the clay balls (which you should do) you significantly disrupt the root structure. It will take time for the roots to regrow in this new medium such that they will begin taking up the nutrient solution. I would recommend you run the pump continuously until the plants come back to life (assuming they make it).

I have not had the best luck moving plants from soil to hydroponic medium. Removing the dirt is very traumatic to the plant but is necessary to keep the nutrient solution clean. For best chance of success I recommend starting plants in a hydroponic starter medium like rock wool or use Jiffy peat pellets. I have been using the peat pellets very successfully. They are cheep and you can find them at just about any gardening store. Good luck!
thebriguy in reply to dirty_valentineFeb 24, 2011. 8:14 AM
When plants are moved the microscopic 'root hairs' break off and 'hurt' the plants roots - shocking them. They have to grow back to become healthy again.The only suggestions I have is to dig up the plant and wash away the dirt and be very careful and gentle. Nice instructable.
lazer155 in reply to dirty_valentineNov 14, 2010. 6:43 PM
Thanks for the advice. They seem to be doing better now, I added a few more sprouts and a day later they are also wilting. Hopefully they will come back like the others did. I'll try rock wool next time. About how often should I change my water reservoir if it's 25 gallons?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to lazer155Nov 14, 2010. 8:07 PM
I was changing it monthly when I started, but I was throwing out a lot of nutrients. Then I started waiting until the nutrients got low, then I would add an additional 5 gallons of nutrients. I found I was able to do this for several months (basically the life of the plant) without any bad results. I did need to adjust the ph a couple times, but the PPMs never got too high. I used a dip-stick to see how low the nutrients were and would add more nutrients when the level dropped to the height of the pump.
lazer155 in reply to dirty_valentineNov 18, 2010. 7:00 PM
The leaves of my lettuce, pepper, and tomato plants start drying at the tips of the leaves and the leaves gradually turn a silver, gray color. I can't find any information about what might be happing in the Hydroponics book Im using. My pea plants seem unaffected.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to lazer155Nov 19, 2010. 6:56 AM
I can't say for sure what the problem is. If they are seelings or young plants, make sure you use a weak nutrient solution. Too strong can burn the plants and ultimately stunt growth if it does not kill the plant. I have been making my nutrient mix to 1/2 the manufacturer recommendation. Too little nutrients will slow growth, but too much can seriously damage the plant. Also, the weaker solution allows me to just keep adding nutrients rather than changing them. You might also try running the pump continuously. I don't think there is any down side to that, other than the additional power. Just for the record, I have only been doing this a couple years and do not consider myself an expert. I'm kind of feeling my way through the process and doing what seems to work.

I have found that some plant types/varieties do better than others in a hydroponic setting. I have yet to find a green bean variety that did well for me. The green beans seemed to show a similar problem to what you described above, did not yield well, and I never got to the bottom of it. If you don't have good luck with one variety, try a different one the next time.
lazer155 in reply to dirty_valentineNov 21, 2010. 11:15 AM
They seem to have come back to life after I changed the nutrient reservoir out. Unfourtunately, I did lose one basil plant. I think they might have started dieing because the solution needed to be changed, it had been 3 weeks. I'll try cleaning it every 2 weeks instead. I have it system outside so I think it gets dirty faster than yours. I should probably get a nutrient meter and a ph meter.
lazer155 in reply to dirty_valentineNov 18, 2010. 6:52 PM
I'm having a new problem now with the tips of the plants' leaves drying up and eventually the whole leaf dries and dies. Is that a sign that the concentration of nutrients is too high?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to lazer155Nov 19, 2010. 6:58 AM
See comment on last post.
Fluxcap55 says: Nov 25, 2010. 11:47 AM
Great write up! I built mine adamantly less exact as yours. (No miter box)

Such an easy system to run, and very productive. The individual pots are great for rotating plants in and out of the system.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to Fluxcap55Nov 25, 2010. 2:30 PM
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
lazer155 says: Jul 31, 2010. 8:53 PM
Do you have to monitor the ph levels? How do you know when to add more nutrients? Do you ever have to change the water entirely?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to lazer155Aug 1, 2010. 7:16 PM
I have become pretty lax about monitoring the PH and nutrient PPM. I'll do it about once a month and adjust PH if necessary. I started out changing the nutrients ever month, but that was expensive and time consuming. Now I just top off the nutrient holding tank when it gets low. The nutrient PPM never seems to get to out of wack using this method and I do not see a big difference in how the plants grow or produce. I did change the nutrients completely and flush the pots when I moved from the Grow nutrients to the Bloom nutrients. Most books recommend regular changing of the nutrients. I agree in theory that this is safer and should produce better results, but as I said it is more expensive and time consuming. Also, I think my yield is more limited by the size of my light source than the quantity/quality of the nutrients. If you are growing under sun light or a more powerful lamp, you might be better off changing the nutrients more often, but in my case I did not see a big difference.
lazer155 says: Jul 31, 2010. 8:24 PM
Are you still using a 2 inch pot for the big tomato plants? How do you know what size pot is best?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to lazer155Aug 1, 2010. 6:57 PM
No, I move the tomato plants into Bato Buckets. The Bato buckets are about 10" X 10" X 12". You can see the bato buckets behind the 6" pot setup in some of the photos above. I have been successful with peas, lettuce, and herbs in the 6" pots, but I use the Batos for my peppers and tomatoes. I bought a book called "Hydroponics for everyone" by S.K.Sutherland. It was helpful for learning about all aspects of growing hydroponically (pot size, nutrients, lights, etc.). I highly recommend it.
radioman_cut says: Jan 17, 2010. 9:46 PM
dude is that your underwear on the vise?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to radioman_cutJan 18, 2010. 7:45 AM
I had to go back and look because it very well could have been. Alas it is only an old tank top T-shirt. If I do another instructable I might just have to include underwear for comedic effect. :-)
cuchulain92 says: Dec 22, 2009. 7:35 PM
Can potatoes be grown in this manner?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to cuchulain92Dec 23, 2009. 8:37 PM
I have not tried potatoes, but I have read that you can grow them in pearlite. The clay balls I used in this set-up would not work well. Also you would want to get a much larger container than the little 5" pots I used. You could try placing a big plastic tub filled with pearlite on top. You could set the PVC structure on top of the tub, or just replace the PVC with a couple drip lines off the pump. Good luck and let me know how it goes. 
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to dirty_valentineDec 23, 2009. 8:39 PM
Oh yea, don't forget to put drainage holes in the bottom of the plastic tub or your potatoes will be floating :-)
lasherza says: Oct 20, 2009. 2:51 AM
 Mr Valentine,

This looks like an amazing setup! , a truly incredible instructable. I havent read it through but am very keen to give it a go with my chilli / pepper range soon.  Off the top of my head i would imagine stronger lighting may improve the yields. Anyhow im going to examine this more closely..Nice one and thanks for the great instructable..

:-)
mslorraine101 says: Oct 10, 2009. 12:04 PM
When the plants flower, are you having to self pollinate or are you using some other method?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to mslorraine101Oct 10, 2009. 12:24 PM
To pollinate the Tomato plants, I just shake the stems with the flowers on them gently. I have been pollinating the pepper flowers by hand using a Q-Tip. I use a seperate Q-Tip for each variety of pepper (Bell, Jalapeno, and Banana). I think I could have gotten away with just shaking the pepper plants, but I wanted to make sure the flowers got pollinated. The peas and beans seemed to self pollinate with out any intervention from me.   
mslorraine101 in reply to dirty_valentineOct 10, 2009. 10:48 PM
Thank you for everything.
mslorraine101 says: Oct 10, 2009. 12:15 PM
I love your system and I plan on implementing this IMMEDIATELY!  My only concern is there a way to move the whole system on one water reservoir that uses only one pump rather than running off of multiple pumps.  I like to share assets rather than having a new tub each system.  I'd love this situation but is there a way to recycle the water by using a smaller container to catch the water, connect the containers and the dripping system in a series?  I am looking on doing that using a stronger pump that is solar powered.  I love this system
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to mslorraine101Oct 10, 2009. 2:41 PM

Yes you can use a larger pump to water more plants from a single reservoir. You will need one or more drip trays (lid in my case) with a drain connecting back to the reservoir. You can buy plastic drain plugs from hydroponic shops that you put in the bottom of the drip tray. Then connect to a hose to the drain that goes back to the presidio. These drain plugs do not always seal well and can leak, but since you are outside you don't have to worry about that. My system with the lid over the presidio ensures no leaks, which is good for indoor gardening. You will need to place the drip trays higher than the level of nutrients in the presidio to allow drainage. Don't make it any higher than you have to because that means you need to pump the nutrients higher which requires a more power from the pump. Water is VERY heavy and most small fountain pumps can only pump the nutrients up 2-4 feet.

You can use the same method described in my system to connect your pump to a PVC pipe that runs near your plants. You can also use the same method of attaching drip hose to the PVC to provide nutrients to the plants. You will need to size your pump appropriately or you will get uneven watering of your plants. With the right sized pump there is no limit to the size of the system you can make - BUT - a larger system requires a larger  reservoir. This is because when the system is pumping a certain amount of the nutrients will be in the PVC, making it's way through the pots, as well as in the drip tray. If the  reservoir is too small the large pump can run the  reservoir dry before the nutrients return to be recycled. This is not good for the pump.

I have looked into making an outside drip setup. I plan to start by setting up a system that runs on an outlet, then convert to solar if it is not too expensive. Setting up a solar powered system is not trivial or cheap. None of the 12V solar powered fountain pumps on the market are powerful enough to run even my small drip setup. The system I plan to set up would need about a 40W solar panel to service about 8-12 bato buckets. A good 40W solar panel is about $200+ and you still need a battery, charger, pump and disconnect circuit. Using a 12V pump would be easy, but they tend to be inefficient and may require a larger solar panel. The standard fountain pump I plan to use requires a 12V to 110V converter to run. A disconnect circuit should be used to shut down the pump if the battery gets too low. This can happen if the pump uses more power than the solar panel provides (think cloudy days). Also, note that you need to have some kind of clear roof over your system or rain will get funneled back into the reservoir and dilute your nutrients. Just setting up an outdoor hydroponic system is not trivial, and adding solar power makes it less so. I recommend you just try to get the system working on an outlet first, then switch to solar if you know what your are doing.

I personally like having several small systems. This lets me tailor the nutrients for the stage and type of plant growth (seedling to mature / vegetative or flowering). One large system does not allow this. Good luck and let me know how it goes. 

mslorraine101 in reply to dirty_valentineOct 10, 2009. 8:36 PM
How is everything getting pollinated? 
mslorraine101 in reply to mslorraine101Oct 10, 2009. 12:19 PM
Can the new system be achieved by running a separate pump for the drip system in a series and another for the water in a series?
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to mslorraine101Oct 10, 2009. 2:51 PM
Not sure what you mean. This is a hydroponic system. The water is mixed with the nutrients, and the nutrient solution is then circulated from the reservoir, to the plants, then back to the reservoir over and over again. The pots are filled with an inert medium (clay balls in my case) not soil. If you are just looking to use a drip system to water plants in soil then this is probably not the system you need or want. 
gwrober says: Aug 30, 2009. 4:40 PM
I like this system, obviously works well, and looks thought out well. We just moved, but as soon as things are settled I'm making one! Might have to make a smaller version, will post pics...
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to gwroberAug 31, 2009. 7:47 AM
Thanks for the comments. Would love to see the pics of the system you build. My system has been working extremely well and was much cheaper to build than the commercial systems.
gwrober in reply to dirty_valentineAug 31, 2009. 9:08 AM
I think I just got the green light from my boss (wife) so hopefully I can start on it soon!
albylovesscience in reply to gwroberSep 15, 2009. 2:17 PM
lol boss/wife
dankyd1 says: Jul 23, 2009. 7:59 AM
Nice system!!! Your crop looks really healthy. I plan to make a variant of it.
dirty_valentine (author) in reply to dankyd1Jul 23, 2009. 3:48 PM
Thanks for the comment. Considering I'm only using a 400W HPS light I'm really happy with the results. I wish I had a greenhouse though. I think the plants could really use the extra natural light and so could my wallet. :-)
gooseflight says: Jun 12, 2009. 2:09 AM
Excellent! I particularly like the simple nutrient recycling. If I were to copy your system I would substitute LDPE with barbed connectors for the solvent welded PVC. LDPE is much easier to work with.
bwpatton1 says: Apr 8, 2009. 1:23 PM
Very simple but WONDERFULLY innovative
iinvnt says: Apr 6, 2009. 8:28 PM
Very good presentation from construction to operation. Good to see enough detail, such that this could be exactly duplicated. It is also good to see a sensible discussion of alternatives to help work through any problems that may arise. Well Done. -Joe
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