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LEDTHROW - 10010

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32 comments
May 3, 2006. 4:27 AMwestfw says:
Go whole hog... This PCB drives 20 leds from a tiny11, and was set up to be IR-remote-controllable (that part's not implemented yet.)
Sep 15, 2008. 11:21 AMamk503 says:
That's neat westfw. How are you driving a 4x5 matrix with so few pins?
Sep 15, 2008. 3:01 PMwestfw says:
It uses a technique called "charlieplexing"; there are several instructables explaining and/or using it, including my own How to Drive a Lot of LEDs from a Few Microcontroller Pins; search works well ("charlieplexing" being an unusual word :-)
Sep 17, 2008. 1:52 PMamk503 says:
Thanks for the info and the inspiration. Have you looked into gugaplexing? It's basically doubles the number of LEDs you can drive with charlieplexing using a few transistors. There is at least one instructable about it. I'm designing and will post a gugaplexed 5x8 display using a tiny11 (if it works). I've managed to prototype the circuit using an arduino, it's very impressive being able to drive 40 LEDs from 5 pins.
Sep 17, 2008. 5:48 PMwestfw says:
No, I hadn't noticed Gugaplexing; thanks for the pointer. My usual excuse for charlieplexing is to save space, and it looks like with gugaplexing you end up using a fair amount of real estate for the transistors, so I'm not sure it'd be useful. Neat idea/technique, though!
Aug 19, 2008. 8:42 PMR4Man18 says:
nice fun project. may take an afternoon but will be lots of fun to do. nice instructable
Sep 15, 2006. 11:17 PMmycroftxxx says:
Uhm, how difficult would it be to integrate the LED-as-sensor concept into this? It would lower your part count, slightly, and if you're using a pair of LED's, you could "prompt" the system with a flash of light, then use some other method of interacting with the unit.
Aug 30, 2006. 1:28 PMjnkarrik says:
In an earlier post you mentioned a motor or something that winds out some string to allow for retrieval. While I like the retreival concept, I was thinking maybe you could use an electro magnet to "unstick" the throwie. I'm NOT suggesting that an electromagnet be used to make the thing stick as that would kill the battery super fast. What I'm thinking is a quick pulse to an electromagnet of opposite polarity as the main magnet that would "cancel" the magnetic force and allow it to fall off.
Jul 9, 2006. 2:17 AMakimbo m says:
Hey hypercube, go easy on him! But yea i agree a printed serial number would be good. If that cannot be done, you can try putting a small dog tag instead on it. By the look of the pcb, it looks like it can do with a solar cell, how do you think? (you may end up needing a supercap unforunatly, as it is hard to charge a cell with one calcuator solar cell.) But either way, i look forward to it!
Apr 27, 2006. 3:14 AMhypercube33 says:
I'm interested in seeing a regenerative version of this - what happens if we add a cheap photocell to this project?
Apr 12, 2006. 10:45 PMradiorental says:
cool, looking forward to seeing this
Apr 11, 2006. 7:20 AMradiorental says:
nope! its a case of post anything you like, receive critism, then not allowed to delete or unpublish. I'm sure its being worked on. So, my only concern so far is the serial number display switch. Its a very nice practical design but may end up being used just like a mechanical switch. Wouldn't it be easier for users to cover the cell with their finger for darkness?
Apr 11, 2006. 10:45 AMradiorental says:
I'm not saying dont use a photocell, albeit they are more fragile than a surface switch, but people know what a switch/button looks like.. and if the photocell interaction is just like a switch then why not use a switch. You reasons for choosing the photocell are engineering driven. As long as thats a concious choice thats fine "having a light detector would make for some interesting modes of operation and two, it enables the devices to be set up in bulk" I would weigh in with questions about durability, cost plus my usual user interface grumblings. I think once you've release them in to the wild you wont need the bluk config option again. A test bed could be the next best thing for ease of programming.
Apr 10, 2006. 9:16 PMradiorental says:
Well, maybe lesson learnt but I dont see harm in what was posted Call it a concept review or whatever, I think the comments here are valuable input and could quite well influence the final design. The fact that instructables does not yet have capabilites for concept reviews is not really this contributors fault. As a ui designer I'll state this again, you cannot hold users at fault for what they input to a system. Currently there's basically two interaction flows (finished projects & comments) trying to account for projects in any state (concept, planning, in progress, finished) and only discussions on one of those flows. So, this site is missing a lot of architecture (inc rating, categorising (e.g. homebrew/commercial) e-shopping list click through, etc etc) My point again, if a user posted pic's of something completely pointless/wrong/unfinished/spam etc you cant point fingers at them because the site has not provided a correct medium for them Isnt that the whole point of makering? using stuff for something other than its original puspose?
Apr 10, 2006. 11:15 AMradiorental says:
"Please use Instructables to:

  • Document and show off how you built your projects. Projects can be in any form -- half-finished, hot off your work bench, or fully debugged and ready to make a million units."
Apr 9, 2006. 8:37 PMRktScientist7 says:
No offense zoom, I think this is a really great idea, but isnt this more of a commercial product advertisement than an instructable? I'm not really sure it belongs here, just my $.02.
Apr 10, 2006. 5:01 AMdan says:
it is ok to use the site to make instructions on using a commercial product, however this instructable has minimal instructional material, especially compared to the amount of non-instructional material.
Apr 8, 2006. 1:18 PMatman says:
I think it's fun to watch them evolve into increasingly durable and functional (hence less disposable) forms. This one is cool enough to be worth someone's while to retrieve when it's done playing...I'm picturing a coil-type electromagnet mounted on a pool-cleaning wand. Expand your vision, yo. So there's Cadmium in the batteries (and in most orange and red acrylic paint); next year's model will have a lithium polymer cell that can be recharged inductively. This place is a moving target.
Apr 8, 2006. 2:51 PMradiorental says:
Atman, I completely disagree that a more durable version will result in less 'disposablility'. You're telling me that a flashing LED on the side of a downtown structure will be there in a week? If it hasnt been cleaned up by security/maintenance and thrown in the bin it will be taken by someone who hasnt got a clue on recharging it and it will get filled under bin.
Apr 8, 2006. 5:30 PMradiorental says:
that is kinda cool, like those $1 notes with a little red stamp asking the reader to log in to the site and report the note's location. This... I condone (o; sorry to havent gotten on a soap box about the environment and after reading through the posts on the orginal throwie project I think the point has been made (to death)

How about a site where users post pictures and location of where they found a 10010, sort of a reverse geocaching meets http://www.humanclock.com/
Apr 8, 2006. 10:32 PMradiorental says:
A simple roll your own non tech option would be to get a simple 'forum' with folders/threads for each serial if you didnt have a huge production run. More than say 50 threads would require a more sophisticated interface I think. To use instructables as an analogy, each serial would be a project and the life of the device would be documented in threads such as this. I cant help implement any of this, you could try finding resource on sourceforge.net I can certainly help spec it but its been a while since I got my hands dirty coding... a long while )o; This has a lot of potential, googlemaps would be neat. This concept certainly has potential. Show the design, sell kits, recharge instruction, document location, track life. Sorry I cant help build it (o;
Apr 8, 2006. 2:48 PMradiorental says:
Dont get me wrong, I fully appreciate there are much worse things. It is simply the concept that it is ok to make and disposed of electronics because it is inexpensive. These projects simply compound the notion that because there are larger environment issues then doing something like this is ok. I work on a lot of projects that produce waste, I'm painfully conscious of that. I recyle waste from my projects where possible and I tend to reuse materials. I think most people do. However, the issue I have with this conecpt is the difference between knowing there's an issue and working to reduce that, and not being concerned because your actions are a minute part of the issue. Its the principle of evironmental concern, not the magnitude. p.eace
Apr 8, 2006. 9:21 AMradiorental says:
Ok, I can no longer bite my tongue with this LED throwie idea. I'm not a huge environmentalist and there are far bigger issue that need to be addressed. But do we really need to throw Cadmium batteries, lead PCBs and whatever else in to our urban environments in the name of Art?

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