Introduction: Magnetic Motor Based on Power Difference

Hey all, now this is my first instructable, it's not really the same as others but it explains an idea of an instructable that can be made by anyone. I know it will be annoying but the steps aren't steps of work but they are parts of explanation of an idea that came to my mind.
The old classic idea of free energy have been around since long time ago, lots of inventors have been dedicated to this obsessive quest to construct the ultimate energy machine that will give us FREE ENERGY. Unfortunately all the designs and machines that have been made never worked, they're just there on the shelf as evidences for human obsession with control over matter and energy, some wanted to harness gravity power to give useful energy, others thought about those mysterious stones that can attract metallic objects MAGNETS, but all that isn't wrong at all, it just needed to be placed in the right place, in the right structure.

Step 1: General

Every where you look at an energy device, you see two things, conversion and GPD ( general potential difference ). Take the battery for example, it CONVERTS chemical energy into electrical energy, that produces a POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE of 1.5 volts.
Take another example, the dam that produces electricity from river water, the water level DIFFERENCE makes water flow from side to the other through the dam which turns the dynamos to CONVERT mechanical into electricity, And lots of other examples...

Step 2: Getting Specific

So it's all based on conversion and potential difference, so how can we find these two things in a magnetic motor, almost all current designs of magnetic motors don't contain either or both of the two main elements, so how do we expect it to run??

Step 3: Wrong Principle of Classic Magnetic Motors

According to the photo above, you can see that the magnets may give us 100J of power while they're being attracted to each other, but on the other way, we need 100J to separate them and put them in the original state, and maybe more energy is needed to reset them when considering friction, so it's a loss of energy..

Step 4: And There Comes the Golden Idea..

This idea came to me when I was surfing the Internet. I read something about magnetic shield that can shield magnetic field and prevent magnets for example from sticking to each other when placed in between. MAGNETIC SHIELDING, let's say it's a sheet of a material that prevents magnetic field from passing through it ( by the way the sheet itself does not interact with the magnet ). So if we placed that sheet between the two magnets right before they stick to each other, they will no longer attracted to each other and thus we can remove them easily, and there lies the power difference..
As you can see energy gained from the attraction of the two magnets into each other is 100 jewels while that energy needed to remove them from each other after adding the magnetic field is about four joules which means that energy gained is much higher than energy needed to reset the system into its original state which means there's excess energy gained from the power difference.

Step 5: Making a Complete Machine Based on the Principle

After we made this test on a simple system of two magnets and one magnetic shield I went more complex on designing a new machine that continues this principle which will serve as a magnetic motor, that is illustrated in the photo.
It might seem complicated but to simplify this thing I'm going to just say how it works:
It has two cylinders on each side, each side has two big thick disk magnets facing opposite pole, it starts by taking lets say the right side, the magnetic shield is not ( on ), so the magnets will attract each other turning the fly wheel, then, when it reaches the nearest to the other magnet, the half disk magnetic shield strikes in and the attraction stops, at the same time the magnetic shield that was ( off ) on the other side turns ( on ) - I hope you understand what I mean by on and off - and the magnets on the other side starts attracting each other and the fly wheel completes it's cycle, and so on this cycle kelps looping again and again, and that's how my magnetic motor works. PS: THE DRAWING IS NOT BASED ON ANY SCALE OR RATIOS.

Step 6: Going Ahead

Now that's just the simple design of the machine, I made it to make things simple. The more complicated one has up to five sets, with full mechanical automation of turning on and off the magnetic shielding.
If you have any questions on the idea/ design/ principle ask me in the comments I'll try my best to clear things for you.
The only thing that stops me from building this machine is:
1- I don't have resources like big neodymium magnets..
2- which is the hardest: finding a material that shields magnetic field completely or at least 90% of it.

Comments

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knife141 made it! (author)2014-07-30

I think the problem here lies with the fact that your design requires a "magnetic shield" that prevents the magnetic field from passing through it AND doesn't interact with the magnet itself. I don't think any known thing exists that meets both of those two requirements.

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MCrous made it! (author)MCrous2014-07-30

Firstly, you can try stainless steel as a shield. Magnets do not stick to some grades of stainless steel. I do not know if it would stop the magnets from being attracted to one another.
Secondly, I do not think a gearbox would be the right way to go. It would be very inefficient and for this to work you would have to have as little drag as possible on the flywheel because the flywheel would have to "push" the motor into the second stroke (for lack of a better explanation).
Interesting idea, would like to see if you could make it work.

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EmcySquare made it! (author)EmcySquare2014-07-31

Never heard of non magnetic stainless steel. Steel il 98% (or more) made of iron so...

I've only seen steel getting non-magnetic above 800° C 'cause the internal structure changes. Dunno if you can "freeze" it that wa without needing heat

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MCrous made it! (author)MCrous2014-08-01

Austenitic stainless steels are non-magnetic.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel#Electricity_and_magnetism

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tentmaker110 made it! (author)tentmaker1102017-02-02

I might not know what I am talking about here but,what about a non magnetic metal like alumunium.Or ceramic,glass rod.

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tentmaker110 made it! (author)tentmaker1102017-02-02

or parhaps,just a thought mind you.Liquid mercy in a sealed tube.Coiled around the tube

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EmcySquare made it! (author)EmcySquare2014-08-01

Right !! Does this also mean that it stops the magnetic field?

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MCrous made it! (author)MCrous2014-08-01

Not sure if it does, but that is what i said in my comment. Will test it and let you know :)

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Nephilim6845 made it! (author)2015-06-16

I have been very curious about magnets and magnetic motors, I really like your design because it uses a mechanical system that is already in use in a Steam Engine and in Automobiles, Instead of using a magnetic shield, how about using electro magnets, that way you can just "time" a switch to move the electricity from one electro magnet to another, and then back again. The whole point is using magnets to cause your flywheel to spin, creating torque that will spin a shaft so you can tap into the mechanical energy of the spinning shaft that can power a generator creating electrical energy. If you made your flywheel heavy enough to create lots of torque, it could run a large generator and you would just need a 12V battery to supply the original source of energy to power the electro magnets, similar to a car engine, and use an alternator to supply the additional electricity to power the electro magnets for sustained use. You could even add a manual crank handle to supply some initial spin. Take a car engine where you have put an electromagnet at the top of each cylinder and an Iron disc on top of each piston and use the electricity that is going to each spark plug and already timed you could essentially create a magnetic motor and adding a "dimmer switch" to the accelerator pedal, you can increase the electrical output of the electro magnet, thus increasing the RPM of the engine to regulate speed.

Now keep in mind this is just what is floating around in my head, No research on my part to see if this will actually work, but maybe others out there could help me know if this could work.

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• The Inventor • made it! (author)2014-12-31

Well yeah I already thought about it and studied it, the result was negative, you see, the disk holding the ( magnetic shield ) is what will cause the ( reset ) of the motion, so by using a magnet to oppose the motion, the rotation of the disk ( which is supposed to be very very smooth and free ) will be harder, since both of the magnets will repeal each other, so the piston will be pushed back, at the same time, the disk will be ( braked ) so energy will be at equilibrium here, and the machine will stop.

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mech ungineer made it! (author)2014-12-31

Have you thought of changing the magnetic shield to a magnet with opposite poles, causing a repulsive force on the piston when the half disk in "on"

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soundgarden made it! (author)2014-12-06

Contact www.magneticshield.com when you have the magnet size and pull you want. They can tell you what product will work.

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soundgarden made it! (author)2014-12-06

This may help you design arounf magnets.

Dimensions: 1" dia. x 1/10" thick
Tolerances: ±0.004" x ±0.004"
Material: NdFeB, Grade N42
Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
Magnetization Direction: Axial (Poles on Flat Ends)
Weight: 0.341 oz. (9.65 g)
Pull Force, Case 1: 10.40 lbs
Pull Force, Case 2: 55.40 lbs
Surface Field: 1294 Gauss
Max Operating Temp: 176ºF (80ºC)
Brmax: 13,200 Gauss
BHmax: 42 MGOe

Here is company that has shielding:

NETIC®
S3-6 Sheet is often applied in fields of high intensity (strong fields)
because of its high magnetic saturation characteristics. NETIC® is
commonly used in combination (in layers) with Co-NETIC® or MuMETAL®. If
used in combination, the NETIC® layer is placed closest to the source of
interference, with Co-NETIC® or MuMETAL® layer closest to the component
being shielded. Used for either fabricated or flat shields, it may be
re-annealed for better performance. NETIC® S3-6 Sheet is available in
stock gauges from 0.014" to 0.095" thickness [0,36mm to 2,41mm].

If you can get gear dimensions or find gears already made I can get made at cheap price.

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• The Inventor • made it! (author)2014-12-05

Okay look, I've checked the Items that you have posted here, but I'm afraid they are not exactly what I need, FIRST BE SURE that the magnetic shield Shields the magnetic field completely or at least 90%, because if it was less, then the idea will not work, for the magnet, I will need four of them but not this shape, they have to be in disc form, and the magnetic shield should be able to cover its face completely, anyway you will have to give me some time to design more compact form of this idea so that it will have a higher efficiency, so don't buy any of these items currently. I will send you a message after I finish the new design.

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soundgarden made it! (author)2014-12-05

I will post materials that are for sale currently. Will you give opinion if will work before I buy? The magnet has 165 foot pounds of pull. Would this combo work before I buy parts?

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• The Inventor • made it! (author)2014-10-09

Ahh I got your point, the shielding is actually just a half part of a rotating disk made of any other non-shielding material, so the energy required is only to rotate the disk, so it won't take much energy. And in general, I think the energy of two neodymium magnets trying to attract or repel each other would be much more than enough to work this mechanism and give extra energy, but as usual the only problem is finding such material, but, as I lately found, that if the universe is really that stable, no rule can be broken, and no free energy is possible, well then, I think this material is just impossible to exist, because simply its existing violates physics rules..

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• The Inventor • made it! (author)2014-09-05

I'm really happy that you liked my instructable, I didn't understand what you mean by that the structure required to make magnet force usable require too much energy. While about friction, it doesn't matter a lot since there will be an excess of energy ( according to the idea ) and even with friction, there will be energy produced by the mechine, just like a normal fuel engine, there's still friction, but it still work.

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terracer made it! (author)terracer2014-10-09

What I am trying to say is that any type of mechanism that you devise in order to used the magnet's properties of repulsion and attraction will itself use up most of the energy. Let's use your own example. The shielding you mentioned may actually save you 93 joules by absorbing much of the magnetics but how much energy will it require to move that shielding back and forth? If the shielding is static and requires no energy to move it then you have accomplished nothinhg because it will block both the replusive and attractive magnetism - right?

I am certainly no expert and I'm far from the smartest one on this site but I do have a little experience in magnets. The big problem in harnessing the energy they contain is exactly what I tried to explain above. Maybe if we had access to some of the more cutting edge ceramic bearings (99.9% friction free) and other things we could make a magnet motor that actually works...

We need more people like you.. people who not only think about this stuff, but people that attempt to make their ideas work. That's the only way to find out.

thanks

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terracer made it! (author)2014-09-04

As a self-professed "free energy" fanatic, tinkerer, and someone who prides themselves on their ability to think outside of the box, I was quite happy to see this instructable - thanks.

The problem with magnets, and specifically using their inherent attraction/resistence "power" is that the structure required to make this force usable requires too much energy and negates any energy gain. Friction is the enemy.. and like gravity, never takes a day off...

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• The Inventor • made it! (author)2014-08-01

I think austenitic stainless steel does not interact with magnetic field but it has a magnetic permeability of 1 ( near space permeability ), on the other hand, I've found so far the nearest material at room temperature that has near properties of a superconductor that is pyrolytic carbon, it's diamagnetic and it levitate on magnets, so it could be a good -at room temperature- magnetic shield I guess..

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azeryth made it! (author)2014-07-31

if that could be done we would perpetual motion. Great idea and their is some logic that supports it. If you use iron to shield one field from another field, yes it would effectively isolate each magnet for short time, but it creates a field of its own and that attraction has to be broken. please excuse this example as being completely simplistic.
I think your thinking and logic are great. Most people do not question these issues, or once they read it's impossible, or its breaks the law of X, they stop. if a law or a force in science is broken we redefine that law, the world doesn't end. in fact it's how our knowledge and understanding grow. It was once thought that only birds/insects could fly, it was against the laws of nature. once that was proven wrong it went to man could not fly using only his/her own power. That through complex gearing etc was proven wrong. I say keep thinking were there is a will there is a way. Superconductors offer a possible solution, however, they are very difficult for the hobbyist to use.

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msesma made it! (author)2014-07-31

It will not work. This clever design breacks thermodynamic laws. The shields are necessarily metalic, are in movement and will have internal electrical currents that will do a force opposite to ita movement. Total work will be zero.
But don't stop. Keep on studying physics!

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• The Inventor • made it! (author)2014-07-31

Yeah each metal has a point where it turns non magnetic I guess, it's called curie point, but not shielding, for iron I think it's 1027°C and nickel is about 830°C so that won't be useful

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