Make Glass Mirrors With Silver Nitrate, Sugar, Ammonia and Sodium Hydroxide

 by NurdRage
video Make Glass Mirrors With Silver Nitrate, Sugar, Ammonia and Sodium Hydroxide
How to make a mirror silvering solution from silver nitrate, ammonia and sugar.

Glass surfaces can be given coatings of silver that make them into mirrors.

WARNING: Perform the whole experiment in less than two hours. This is because the solution generates highly poisonous silver nitride on standing. Also, the solution will give off ammonia when heated so you'll need to do this outside, in a fume hood or in a well-ventilated area. And wash away all chemicals with lots of water.

Get one gram of silver nitrate and one gram of sodium hydroxide. Then add enough water to both to completely dissolve them. Mix them together and youll get a black precipitate of silver oxide. Then add enough ammonia to completely dissolve the silver oxide. Add four grams of sugar and mix well.

The solution will deposit silver coatings when its heated. If you heat it in a glass container it will deposit silver on the inside of the container. To deposit it onto a glass pane you can put the glass into a tray with solution and heat the tray from below. But do not let the solution boil. Boiling tears the silver off the surface.

Thin layers of silver can be wiped off with a cloth if the silver goes where you don't want it. Thicker layers can be removed by applying hydrochloric acid.

This process produces a back reflective mirror, which is what most household mirrors are.

If you need to silver larger pieces of glass, or need thicker layers, just scale up the solution.
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jnasrallah says: Apr 26, 2013. 1:06 AM
Could you lay a larger pane of glass flat on a table and pour on the solution? If so how thick of a layer of solution would you need? Also, how do you dispose of any excess solution?
kvalmoth says: Apr 16, 2013. 8:26 PM
Can you touch it when it's dried? Will it harm the skin?
0837717 says: Mar 6, 2013. 12:20 AM
Is there a way to do this if i'm using silver sulphate instead of silver nitrate?
oliverkellow says: Apr 12, 2012. 3:55 PM
Hi, i just had a go at this process, with no success :(

I am trying to discern what part of my process was the least scientific!

1. I mixed the AgNO3 with Drain Cleaner (Sodium Hydroxide, with some unspecified filler, and aluminium granules which i took out).
It immediately went all grey and curdled, but not quite so dark as the solution in the video. I used tap water.

2. it dissolved back to a very slightly brown/clear liquid with the application of Ammonia (25% solution.. the best i could get)
I take this as evidence that the chemistry is going alight so-far..

so i put it on the hotplate (a glass container placed in Boiling water to cap the temperature) and it proceeds to go dirty brown and stay that way... twice in a row.

Do you think

A: the AgNo3 is off, its straight from a factory sealed test tube, what is its shelf life?

B: my shoddy sodium is not so strong OR it came with too much Aluminium and spoiled the reaction? maybe substituted it or, bound to the silver making the black murky result
C: Do i have to heat it harder faster longer- maybe the water diluting the ammonia took it a long way off from being a saturated solution, is that part of the plan or is it irrelevant??

Please Help! I am an amateur at chemistry :)
abell21 in reply to oliverkellowOct 7, 2012. 7:57 PM
A: not likely, as a dry salt the silver nitrate is pretty stable, especially if dry.

B: Possibly, it would be better to buy a $2 container of pure caustic soda drain cleaner (keep the lid on when not in use, it sucks in water from air)

C: Gentle heat is all that is needed,

Most likely problem: chloride in the tap water or caustic soda, causing the silver to precipitate as white (or pale yellow) silver chloride. Use distilled or deionised water (from automotive store, for batteries or radiator topups) or very clean rainwater. I go through gallons of the stuff in the lab, for every solution. I also triple rinse any glassware being used for silver solutions.

Adding just enough ammonia to just dissolve the brown silver oxide is the way to do it.
NurdRage (author) in reply to oliverkellowApr 12, 2012. 5:50 PM
You forgot to add in sugar.
oliverkellow in reply to NurdRageApr 12, 2012. 9:40 PM
Oups, i forgot to WRITE that i added sugar... 4g as requested, well mixed.
Sorry.

I boiled a away for forty minutes, and got a oilslick like layer that came off on my finger.
Its hard to tell from the video timelapse, did you take an hour, or is it a 2 min reaction I should be expecting.
Does the fluid stay dark when the silver is all dropped out?

I was wondering if its worth doing all my remaining AgNo3 at once ´to get a thick shiny coat, or is there a saturation point relative to the Sodium Nitrate?

Thanks for the speedy reply!

Oliver
NurdRage (author) in reply to oliverkellowApr 13, 2012. 6:35 AM
oil slick doesn't sound right.

your drain cleaner might have had a detergent that's interfering with your process.

The fluid should go creamy as the silver particles become big enough to reflect light..
j5_taylor says: Jul 16, 2012. 1:43 PM
do you think that this would still work if you were to use silver acetate instead of silver nitrate?
rahaffasheh says: May 15, 2012. 7:31 AM
Hello(:
Me and my friend are planning to do this experiment as a science fair project and need some help with the explanation..
So can you please give a scientific explanation for this experiment explaining the reaction and how the mirror is formed? (and maybe why we chose the materials that have been used..) anything you may now about it...?
We've been searching alot and can't find the right explanation..
please respond as soon as possible..
thank you (:
NurdRage (author) in reply to rahaffashehMay 15, 2012. 7:36 AM
research "Tollen's reagent" the chemistry is the same.
7654321 says: Feb 7, 2011. 8:15 PM
Server not found at nurdrage.com :(
NurdRage (author) in reply to 7654321Feb 7, 2011. 8:34 PM
yeah i canceled that hosting. Thanks for pointing it out! i'll fix the video description.
h0meIandsecurity in reply to NurdRageMar 5, 2011. 8:46 AM
i noticed that too! it is still not fixed in other videos!
PS118 says: Mar 6, 2009. 11:33 AM
Is there a way to disolve the silver off an existing mirror to reuse with this method?
wobbler in reply to PS118Aug 20, 2010. 5:46 AM
You don't need to use anything sophisticated or acidic, just metal polish and a bit of elbow grease. The metal layer is very thin and very easily removed with Brasso or similar, leaving the glass untouched. I used to make mirror photo-frames by masking off the mirror and rubbing away where I wanted it to be seen through to the photo at the back. (it was the 70's after all!- the 1970's that is, I ain't that old.) I've not tried this with acrylic mirrors though it may still work. If the silver is covered with paint or some protection, you'll need to remove this first before the Brasso will work. I used to just scrape it off with a razor blade. I don't think they'd invented paint stripper back then.
NurdRage (author) in reply to PS118Mar 6, 2009. 2:03 PM
Yes! Soak the mirror in hydrochloric acid and the metal will dissolve off. If the back has been painted for protection then you might need to use a paint stripper to take the paint off before you can use the hydrochloric acid. The metal might not be completely removed in one run, just take it out and rub off what you can with a cloth before dipping it back in the acid or stripper.
mcshawnboy says: Jul 4, 2010. 6:54 AM
Can you explain how to make "Front surfaced mirrors" used in kaleidescope building?
belgvr says: Mar 29, 2010. 10:58 AM
Does it also works for chroming stuff? like plastic, etc...
rufisdodd says: Feb 22, 2010. 12:02 PM
Would it be possible to take the solution and pour it onto a large piece of glass?  Was there a time lapse in  your video or does the silvering start right away?  Thanks,
Mr. Apol says: Nov 5, 2009. 3:31 AM
Does this coating conduct electricity? If so, it seems like an excellent way to make large Leyden jars . . .

Paul
Rotten194 says: Jul 31, 2009. 6:07 PM
Cool experiment, but from what i read, silver azide is not toxic but is a very powerful force-activated explosive.
NurdRage (author) in reply to Rotten194Jul 31, 2009. 7:14 PM
All azides are toxic, but silver, lead and a few other azides are also explosive, that property is more famous. The amount produced in the video won't explode if it's kept in solution, but it's still toxic.
Rotten194 in reply to NurdRageAug 1, 2009. 6:16 PM
Oh, thanks :D.
Toxic....muaw hahahahaha
Blackice504 says: Jul 29, 2009. 3:06 PM
Hi nurdrage i really enjoyed alot of your videos i will be watching all but i have a question for this chemi mirror can it be done on Metal Say to make a parabolic mirror? yes i know i would probley have to do something to the surface of the old Sat Dish but i would like to turn it into a nice mirror and i think this would be the best way any thoughts?
ajn142 says: May 18, 2009. 9:55 PM
Wait, i'm curious. is i possible to do this on a plastic, such as plexiglass? or not? you say that its hard to do it without damaging the plastic, but since plexiglass doesn't melt until about 260 F, and water boils at 212 F, you would probably want to be heating the solution at about 200 F or below, right? would the plexiglass be damaged then? if there are any issues with my idea, let me know, i don't like to stay ignorant
NurdRage (author) in reply to ajn142May 18, 2009. 10:02 PM
I suppose you could try. When i tried it with polyethylene the silver didn't stick very well to the plastic and actually sloughed off when i pulled it out of the solution. I never tried it with plexiglass so i don't know how it would react. Give it a shot with a small piece and let me know how it turns out.
berndborn says: Apr 29, 2009. 10:40 AM
does anyone know how to ad spots of color and the different colors to a fresh made mirror?
mycroftxxx says: Mar 6, 2009. 6:56 AM
This is a wonderful video for DIY projector makers. How easy/difficult is it for a hobbyist to acquire the needed chemicals?
NurdRage (author) in reply to mycroftxxxMar 6, 2009. 7:23 AM
Dirt easy! Silver nitrate can be purchased off eBay pretty easily, or you can make it yourself from silver metal and nitric acid (click on the link in the video for my video on making silver nitrate) ammonia is sold at the local supermarket as a cleaner. Sodium hydroxide is found in some types of drain cleaners, check the label very carefully for what it contains. The white powder drain cleaners are sometimes pure 100% sodium hydroxide. Alternatively, you can also buy sodium hydroxide online, it's used to make biodiesel. If you're really pressed, you can omit the sodium hydroxide entirely... but the results tend to go all crappy. Sugar.... if i need to tell you where to get sugar chances are you shouldn't be doing this experiment anyway :P Hope this helps!
rimar2000 says: Mar 5, 2009. 4:37 AM
Please tell me that this can be done on plastic. Any plastics: PVC, polyester, mylar, polycarbonate, etc.. I need it for a solar cooker. I am using glass mirrors, but they are too heavy.
wobblestar in reply to rimar2000Mar 5, 2009. 1:14 PM
Sadly, it won't work on plastic. Cheers Mark
NachoMahma in reply to rimar2000Mar 5, 2009. 6:27 AM
. A mirror silvered on the front should work better for a solar collector (if that is an option available to you).
. aluminized mylar might work, but probably won't be very rugged.
rimar2000 in reply to NachoMahmaMar 5, 2009. 9:21 AM
Front silvered mirrors are perfect for an optical and protected application. A solar cooker is permanently exposed to the elements: rain, sun, dust, dirt, and surface abuse. Aluminized mylar is too thin, I need some self-standing and stiff, as 1 or 2 mm thickness.
NurdRage (author) in reply to rimar2000Mar 6, 2009. 12:45 AM
I've thought about the problem. How about chrome plating? You get your plastic and apply a very thin coating of conductive ink, rub off the excess and shape your plastic, then dip the whole thing in a chrome plating bath and plate on a layer of shiny chrome, or nickel (since nickel is less toxic to work with). It has been done with plastic, works on small scales, and doesn't require exotic equipment or apparatuses, just chemicals and a power supply. And if done right the surface produced will already be a high-quality front-surfaced mrror without the need for additional polishing. It;s not used for large scale production of mirrors because aluminum vapor deposition is still cheaper. But if you're going to small scale then this might work for you.
Kinnishian in reply to NurdRageMar 8, 2009. 7:09 PM
What is this about conductive ink? Can I get that at a reasonable price? I'd be psyche to plate a frisbee with copper.
NurdRage (author) in reply to KinnishianMar 8, 2009. 7:19 PM
Yes, conductive inks are quite affordable... If you consider about $20-$40 per oz as affordable. Conductive sprays also exist for similar cost. There are also ways of making homemade conductive ink as well. If demand is high i might make an instructable on that.
rimar2000 in reply to NurdRageMar 9, 2009. 6:05 AM
If it is possible to make it at low cost, with no much risk neither large devices, it will be very interesting for many of us.
NurdRage (author) in reply to rimar2000Mar 9, 2009. 6:19 AM
i checked around instructables, apparently it's already been done.

http://www.instructables.com/id/SEOH3GFFABRWUOD/
rimar2000 in reply to NurdRageMar 6, 2009. 4:32 AM
My final design of mirrors arrangement for solar cooker contains 85 pieces, totaling 1 square meter. I could try that of the chrome/nickel plated. But, does not require a further thorough polishing? I was like two hours trying to polish an aluminum sheet and all I got was a negligible improvement. I need a mirror finish.
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