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Make a Glow Stick Reaction Using Real Chemicals

video Make a Glow Stick Reaction Using Real Chemicals
Here I show you how to make a glow stick reaction with real chemicals.

Yes this is a repost, i made a huge mistake on the last one

The glowstick reaction is made using a diphenyl oxalate derivative known as bis(2,4,6-trichlorophenyl)oxalate or TCPO. Additional ingredients include ethyl acetate as a solvent, sodium acetate as a base, 9,10-bis(phenylethynyl)anthracene to give it the green color, and hydrogen peroxide to react with the TCPO and create light.

The exact proportions are:

15mL of ethyl acetate
3mg of 9,10-bis(phenyethynyl) anthracene
1g of sodium acetate
800mg of TCPO
3mL of hydrogen peroxide added last to initiate the reaction.

The exact same process is used in glow sticks. This is NOT mountain dew. Mountain dew cannot glow like this, it does not have the crucial TCPO chemical or any chemical like that.

The reaction will glow in the dark for several minutes if you use ethyl acetate as the solvent. It will glow for several hours if you use diethyl phthalate as the solvent.

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WARNING: Trolls , idiots or morons might post comments claiming you can make glow sticks by other compositions. Ignore them all. NONE of them (not even luminol) last as long as the peroxylate category of chemiluminescent reactions. And some 'alternative' (read FAKE) compositions are dangerous, toxic or explosive, do no attempt *ANY* of them. (except luminol)

Sorry i have to spam like that. But some people are so desperate to make their own glow stick that they'll try anything and trolls prey upon this. A couple of years ago a kid I knew heard that you could make a glow stick from alcohol and pool chlorine.... He's permanently blind now. Sure he's stupid but no one told him that mixing those two was dangerous and that he was lied to.
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alexpopo1 year ago
Can CPPO be plugged straight into this formula instead of TCPO and have the same proportions? If not, how would the proportions change? By the way, I'm conducting an experiment varying the organic solvent (ethyl acetate, methyl acetate, butyl acetate, isopropyl acetate), and I am using the same proportion as shown in your video, "Make Glow Sticks - The Science". Help as soon as possible is appreciated.
lsanchez191 year ago
f i add more hydrogen peroxide to the rest of the chemicals needed to make the glowsticks glow what would happen
Hi! Tell me please, can I use anthracene to get the luminescence?
Colonel884 years ago
Is this toxic? Is it safe to say, splatter your clothes for an hourly night glow? Safe to touch? Thanks.
mossimo34 years ago
What is the point of using a voice changer for this?

Anyway, really nice reaction!
chewit4 years ago
omg this is amazing but its not what i`m looking for is there anyway the solution can be thickened to make it into a paint like liquid for clubbing or gigs
NurdRage (author)  chewit4 years ago
We're working on an instructable to do that.

It takes a different approach, we make a glow-in-the-dark powder and then mix it with a gel to make it paintable.

Its taking awhile to get done, eventually we will be ready to post it.
May 31, 2009. 7:48 PMterminator_chemsays: and dude i found another reaction to make a glow liquid can you verify if this procedure is safe....im copy pastin the requirements and procedure...i think if u can tell u will help a lot of ppl;-If you don't have luminol than you are in a big problem if you want to make glowsticks. I made a glowing liquid half year ago it was glowing with a red color, the recipe is here: 1. Mix a solution of: a. 40mL distilled water b. 0.8g hydroxide c. 25g K2CO3 d. 1g pyrogallol e. 10 mL standard 37% methanal ("formaldehyde") all in a beaker too large for overflow 2. Darken the room 3. Add 30 mL standard 30% hydrogen peroxide Notes : The red glow is due to the oxidation of pyrogallol and methanal in alkaline peroxide. Either on its own should work but it works better if you use both. Pyrogallol is highly toxic. And if you add the H2O2 too fast it will boil and a lot of formaldehyde will get in to the air what is not so good. This thing is glowing until you add H2O2 to the mix. If you add it fast than it will have a strong light, if you add slow, than it will have a weak light. //I know that tis is not an easy recipe, but is is cheaper and easier than the other ones. You won't make glowstick easier. sum1 posted this recepie....can u tell every1 on instructables if it is safe or not....cause he isnt even using luminol....!!!!!
"hydroxide" is not a chemical in and of itself. what is it's counter ion? sodium? potassium?

benzene-1,2,3-triol= pyrogallol
When the glow eventually fades is it gone for good or can the solution be charged by exposing it to light?
NurdRage (author)  WhoIsJohnGalt5 years ago
its just like a regular glow stick. so when its dead its gone
dude can u pls help me my question is on the other video si..........and i really need ur help......muchos gracias though!
and i called up a chemical supplier and asked for TCPO ...they said it will cost me around 150 dollars...is it better and safe 2 make it?
senor i no u very busy man....but pls help me! i need d help...PLEASE!
that is awesome
It seems all the stuff is reasonable. But I guess I didn't believe how expensive TCPO is... 800mg looks like 100 bucks? is it the same thing? Bis(2,4,6-trichlorophenyl) Oxalate Oxalic Acid bis(2,4,6-Trichlorophenyl) Ester C14H4Cl6O4 F.W. 448.90 CAS: 1165-91-9 Have you made a video on how to make it yet? or know of a cheaper place?
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
Yes that's the stuff. Youre supplier charges that much because it's probably analytical/medical grade, the stuff used for biomedical testing and research. It can be made for around $10/g. We have not yet made the video on synthesis because of the expense.
For my purposes please Email me what ever way/ways may be best to make this stuff in small bulk (such as liters). That is as cheap and easy as possible. At least... Please. And if you can please also these: How to easily get blue or white if possible. And how to make two different speed/brightnesses if possible. With the TCPO it seems it may be cheaper to buy glow sticks and open them long enough to pour into new containers.
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
Once i get enough money to buy more chemicals i'll make an instructable on how to make TCPO.
thanks
how do glow stick companies afford to sell them for dollars? They are good at mass producing TCPO enough to make it that cheap? I was thinking of a few hundred $ to make as much bulk of glow liquid as I can. But if most of that money is spent on TCPO I would only have enough to add to the other chemicals to not make much glow liquid, plus have a lot of left overs that are doing nothing. this is my main setback. so I'd appreciate any form of help. So thanx for planing to show how to make it. If there were a kinda cheap to buy version that may help too.
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
If you buy bulk chemicals then you can make TCPO for less than $1/g. The companies can do it because they order tonnes of chemicals at a time. And can make it for pennies.
oops you did just say larger bulk will be $1/g instead of $10/g and I saw it. and my question looked like I didn't but what I was focusing on is how much bulk before $1/g and how much would it cost?
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
about 500g.

Do you have experience in synthetic organic chemistry and access to a working fumehood? One of the key components to making TCPO is Oxalyl Chloride which if mishandled will kill you.
hm... I guess this video is best for people working in labs. Lol I can't say I have half a million dollars or am gonna risk death. I only have experience with some hazards in general but am a beginner at synthetic organic chemistry. I'd definatly be careful with Oxalyl chloride and not mishandle it, if I did use it. But since I'm a beginner with out good equipment and death can be involved maybe I should give up and try various LED lights for the things I needed. Or buy glow sticks in bulk. thanx.
my brain must be fried you meant 500grams i thought grand is in $
I guess it may as well be 500 grand. I can only spend hundreds.
oh earlier you did tell me "It can be made for around $10/g" but the formula about is 800mg, isn't that all most a gram? isn't that mean the amount of glow liquid you made (1or 2 glow sticks worth) cost me at least 10 bucks (ratio wise)? How big must bulk be with chemicals before I save money over buying glow sticks? Thanx for your patience and answers...
Can you tell me where to look to get chemicals for it about for 100$ and how much it'd make? even if you can't tell me well how to make it yet?
Please answer as much as you can... I found a sight for chemicals to make this. Can you further explain a mixture difference between few min and hour long mixtures. You mentioned solvents making the difference right? but when it last minutes is it that much brighter? I plan to make this stuff to put in an air tight Polycarbonate tube... (escrima stick) for either demos (minutes but showier) or night practice (hours but only visibility). I would only want to make both kinds if the minutes one was a lot brighter. other wise I'd only make the hours one for both. I know temperature can change intensity with longevity but I don't wanna freeze and boil my stick every time I feel like slowing/dimming or speeding/brightning. Does ethyl acetate as the solvent make it really bright? And shorten as a trade off? or is it and diethyl phthalate the same brightness but ethyl acetate last longer (and thus better but probably more expensive)? And How else may I manipulate your formula to burn out the brightness stronger but shorter. Or make it last but be weaker? How does disolving with water effect making bulk filler but less brightness? How does dyes effect time? I think I saw some were that some dyes make just as huge a difference. like # 1-chloro-9,10-bis(phenylethynyl)anthracene supposidly burns in 30 min were # 2-chloro-9,10-bis(phenylethynyl)anthracene does it in 12 hours. I can't find the dye you listed "9,10-bis(phenyethynyl) anthracene" I only found "9,10-Bis(phenylethynyl)anthracene" at the store. How would this effect it differently? How do I make white? I seen somewere I think that you must use a dye or it won't work. What do I use instead of 9,10-bis(phenyethynyl) anthracene that may make white but may be at that store i found. And what time will it last. I guess these questions lead to this goal if that makes it easier. I would like to have a bright/quick formula and a dim/long formular. Of either white or blue on either one. Doesn't matter which color goes with which motabolism (or what ever would describe it best). And it doesn't matter if both are different colors or both are the same. As long as they are white or blue. (prefer white), and as long as they have different "motabolisms" Thanx.
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
Diethyl phthalate lasts longer and is brighter, it's also more expensive. Ethyl acetate was used in the video because we didn't want to use diethyl phthalate for a video that was only going to be 2 minutes. Time is controlled chemical type, solvent type, and chemical form. Large crystal TCPO is dimmer but glows longer than powder TCPO. diethylhexyl phthalate solvent combined with CPPO or "bis(2,4,5-trichloro-6-carbopentoxyphenyl) oxalate" will glow even brighter. These chemicals are destroyed by water, there should be no water in your reaction. We have no tried those high-speed dyes, primarily due to budget constraints. "9,10-bis(phenyethynyl) anthracene" and "9,10-Bis(phenylethynyl)anthracene" are the same. mix red green and blue dyes to achieve white. same time as the original
can you tell me better then the luck I had so far info wise (else where): what dyes are the fast ones and which are not as much so? And what colors each make? I know computer graphics a lot more then chemistry so I should of known that when it comes to light RG&B combo makes white, oops. But since all colors have different potency chemically can you tell me which proportions are good for white (or would 1 mg of each do)? Or a white that looks slightly more blue like the diff between lightbulb white and LED white.
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
Wikipedia has many references to dyes. Find a particular dye you want and search for its fluorescence emission spectrum on the internet, many spectrum can be found this way. The intensity of each dye depends on the solvent. You can search the scientific literature for appropriate quantum yields for all the reactions. Remember that diminishing returns applies and some dyes will not yield more light even if you increase their concentration. Using the quantum yields you can calculate the appropriate concentrations to achieve the spectral distribution you want. Alternatively, you can buy all the dyes (i reccomend 1 gram quantities) and find the coefficients for the particular mixtures you have, then work them out yourself. This way is a lot more fun.
I saw the wiki references before I first asked about dyes. But it doesn't mention Blue ones speed/bright difference. Only green and red alternate speed/bright ones. I'll try experimenting with the single blue then. thanx
sounds good. thanx
is Luminol the component that could stand in for this one (TCPO)? I heard it doesn't work as well. But it seems much cheaper... If so what proportion should I use and how much weaker would the same proportion make?
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
Luminol is an entirely different chemical and requires a completely different solvent and dye system. It cannot be substituted straight accross for TCPO.
I know you mentioned some were that this is by far a better formula even than that of luminol based combo. how much better? would it be easier and cheaper to go ahead with the other one I found?
# 2 liters of distilled water
# 50 milliliters of hydrogen peroxide
# .2 grams of luminol
# 4 grams of sodium carbonate
# .5 gram of ammonium carbonate
# .4 gram of copper sulfate pentahydrate
http://www.ehow.com/how_2087434_make-a-glowstick.html
And if this would work what color would it be?
NurdRage (author)  tummygoo#hotmail.com5 years ago
luminol glows for about 2 minutes. TCPO in diethyl phthalate glows for 2-10 hours
brighter too?
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