Step 9: Desired improvements

1. Make the plastic parts in one piece using an injection molder. I know that there are services like Proto-Mold that will do small injection-mold runs, but I don't want to spend a lot of money, and would like to play with the injection molder myself. Anyone here in the San Francisco Bay Area have an injection molder that will accommodate a food-safe plastic?

2. I've added a three-way wye valve that will allow me to switch between two bottles with a twist of a knob while pedalling hard. I'm using this most excellent nalgene stopcock but it's very expensive. Anyone know of a similar food-safe product at a more reasonable price?

3. Make it easier to pour powders and squirt gels into the bottles . . . the small opening compared to ordinary bike water bottles is a disadvantage.

4. Find cheap replacements or less expensive sources for the pricier components.

<p>You'll spend more time and money making it than using it. Stop being cheap and &quot;eco-friendly&quot; and just get a decent, commercial hydration system. Camelbacks are made in China now, so they're affordable to even tree huggers.</p>
<p>Looks More Like A Mobile Meth Lab LMAO</p>
You could of just poked a small micro hole on the top of your water bottle instead of making that useless one way valve, from scratch, haha. But I can't do that, that's really hard to do, so congratulations. But next time, you could find simple solutions for simple problems, it's okay if it drips a few drops on the whole trip, it's just a easier way to do it.
The best solution, as always, depends of the use case. If the tubing length is short and spills aren't a problem, then a hole in the lid is fine, I'm sure. A wet sleeping bag is unacceptable to me in cold weather though, so I like a water-tight seal. Also, if the tubing run is long, a system that will hold a small vacuum allows the tubes to stay filled after the first sip. For strenuous cycling, the convenience of having to move the liquid 1 cm to drink instead of through the whole length of the tubing every time is worth the extra initial assembly trouble.
Hi Chaiken, we like your solution! We were thinking about the same thing. Check out our Convertube. It turns every bottle into a hands-free hydration system: <a href="http://sourceoutdoor.com/hands-on-systems/22-convertube.html" rel="nofollow">http://sourceoutdoor.com/hands-on-systems/22-convertube.html </a>The kit contains adaptors, tube, valve, dirt-shield. Have fun!
Indeed, your system looks virtually identical. Mine is now about 5 years old and I couldn't find any similar commercial products on the market at the time. I now have a better version using stainless steel hypodermic tubing, silicone stopper and metal wide-mouth soda can, but have been too slow to post details. <br> <br>Best wishes, <br>Alison
This is very high quality, and i can see you put a lot of effort into this, but it all seems a bit complex to me just for the sake of getting a drink while on a bike.
Hi ilpug, here's a shortcut - same result: to turn (almost) any bottle into a hands-free hydration system: <a href="http://sourceoutdoor.com/hands-on-systems/22-convertube.html" rel="nofollow">http://sourceoutdoor.com/hands-on-systems/22-convertube.html </a>
I like this 'cause I don't have to have only water. I know I should, but I need sugar, and camelbaks will die with anything but water.
nice 'inble, but 'platypus' hoses have a thread that fits soda bottles already, and if you are dis satisfied with the blader, it would be an easy conversion to use your attatchment method<br>
I am looking for a dual hole (straw plus valve) system like this even on a normal (non-PET) bike bottle because I want to be able to squirt several times into my mouth. <br> <br>With the usual O-ring system one has to remove the bottle from ones mouth and wait for the bottle to reinflate through the same hole as you are drinking from but with this one can let air come into the bottle through the check valve and squirt again pretty much immediately (if the valve hole is fairly big and the bottle has a strong elasticity as PET bottles do). <br> <br>I wish this product were commercially available! <br> <br>Or is it? Does the camelbak bike better bottle with &quot;bite valve&quot; have this type of two hole (drink plus check valve) system? <br> <br>The sipway looks okay but I would rather do without long straws.
timtak, you should be able to make a second hole and put an up-to-air valve on any container. The technique of using a few-mm piece of stainless surgical tubing attached to a similarly short piece of tygon house going to an up-to-air valve should work with any hard plastic container. If you drink water, I recommend putting the valve inside, as there's less chance of knocking it off. If you drink other beverages with sugar, you can still put it inside, but you'll have to clean it (bleach or Efferdent) or replace it frequently.<br><br>Best wishes, <br>Alison<br>who has an entirely different superior design using RockStar cans that she's too lazy to post.
Okay, thank you for your reply and encouragement, I am having a go now. <br> <br>There are valves in the kerosine pumps sold at local &quot;dollar&quot; stores and I have attached one to a water bottle sold at those stores.
Be sure that any components you buy are chemically compatible and food-safe. You don't want to have a metal part dissolve in acid sports drinks for example. A part made for kerosene near beverages sounds a bit scary to me.
The plastic kerosene pump looks to be made of the same sort of plastic as the bottle is made out of. I will take it easy on the drinks. <br> <br>Since I can't purchase yours and I am bad at making things I would probably order a sipaway or sipstream but the postage is prohibitive to Japan. <br> <br>By the way there is, I think, now a commercial version that takes commercially available PET bottles. <br>http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Desert-SmarTube-Hydration-System/dp/B000GM6LWS/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1317193623&amp;sr=1-2 <br>The reviews are not good though so I am sure yours is better.
Oops sorry, I see that this does have long straws and is very similar to the three products (sipway, oasisone-twelve and never reach) above. <br> <br>I think that it would be cool to have a normal bottle cage bottle version just for the convenience of being able to such/squirt continuously without having to wait for air to get back into the bottle.
I&nbsp;know it is great fun and all making your own bite valve, but surely it would be easier to use a commercially available bite valve in plac e of a home made one?
It's true that there are now commercially available bite-valve-and-bottle-cage solutions, although I don't believe that there were any when I began the project.&nbsp;&nbsp; However, none of the commercial solutions that I know of are compatible with bottles that are free.<br /> <br /> It's true that my solution doesn't keep the drink cold, although the user can always put ice in the bottles or freeze them.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I usually purchase cold drinks at stores and finish them quickly, so I don't really care.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Not having a sweaty backpack on more than makes up for warm drinks.<br /> <br /> The suction force needed to draw up the liquid is small due to the anti-siphon valves.&nbsp;&nbsp; Once the tube are filled, they stay filled and then the bite valve even tends to drip when it's draped over the bars.<br /> <br /> I actually have a completely new design using aluminum Rockstar cans that I have finished implementing yet.<br /> <br /> Best wishes,<br /> Alison<br />
I have been trying to find a manufacturer of the "bladder" with screw top, but I'm having a VERY hard time. I want a small bladder system, about 8 oz. Do you have any contacts for me? I want to stay USA.
&nbsp;im &nbsp;not sure exactly what you are talking about but you may be looking for&nbsp;something&nbsp;like a&nbsp;platypus&nbsp;bladder.
first the amount of work you did here is amazing. you have made&nbsp;something&nbsp;very advanced, the one problem that i see with this disigne vrs the bladder is the amount of sucking force needed. I used to use a bladder when hiking. (i now just use water bottles.) At least in my hiking backpack when i&nbsp;released&nbsp;the bite valve there was very little to know force needed to draw watter up&nbsp;because&nbsp;of the pressure on the bag.it seems to me like it would take alot of effort to bring water from these bottles to your mouth.
thanks for the plans.&nbsp;Interesting to see what would go into building your own. &nbsp;Looking at Build vs Buy&nbsp;&amp; Time vs $$$... I think would would go with one of these:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.oasisone-twelve.com">www.oasisone-twelve.com</a><br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.sipaway.com">www.sipaway.com</a><br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.neverreach.com">www.neverreach.com</a><br /> <br /> -Thanks
Is it safe to use vinyl tubing in a DIY hydration system? I got some from Ace Hardware but my parents said that it's probably not food-grade.
To be honest, I don't know what kind of tubing is safe. I just always use components that say "beverage grade" or "FDA approved" or some such. You'll notice that the parts listed on my Instructable are all so labeled, except for the stainless steel tubing, which I'm assuming is okay. Of course the fact that some plastic products are labeled "food grade" implies that others are not.
you know... take a 3 liter soda bottle, put 2 holes in the cap, feed the hose in one hole, and another into the other hose, put a fish tank anti-siphon air thing on each end, and you will have the air infeed you need, and the water out that you want without the ear popping... I am currently working on one myself.
thats what i did
Does your system leak when inverted? Mine doesn't. Also, once you fill the hose on mine, it stays filled. And I have enough vacuum (about 1 psi) that I can pull goos like Hammer Gel up through the hose. So yes, you can make a simpler system with the same gross features, but it would be hard to make one that's simple and works as well without an injection molder. I wish that TechShop (http://www.techshop.ws/) would get an injection molder!<br/>
Actually the original that I made was all friction fit, and did not leak when inverted.
No offense but thisis overcomplicated compared to mine (mine is a bite valve from a water bottleconnected to tubing that connects to two-one liter bottles).
wow.... i wasn't expecting it to be so.... damn expensive and complicated.... I saw the old bike and assumed you were doing something cheap and super simple to make... I guess you're thinking of making this into a commercial product?
<em>wow.... i wasn't expecting it to be so.... damn expensive and complicated....</em><br/><br/>Me either. Suggestions are welcome! $12 of the cost is the<br/>anti-siphon valve that means that the bottle can inverted without<br/>leaking and that the hose, once filled, stays filled. Without that,<br/>the cost would be lower, but the system would be much less sweet to<br/>use.<br/><br/>It should be possible to make a simple, cheap, injection-molded<br/>version, but TechShop hasn't gotten an injection molder yet.<br/><br/>I have other Instructables that I'd like to post that are simple and<br/>cheap but I need to finish this one first.<br/><br/> <em>I guess you're thinking of making this into a commercial product?</em><br/><br/>No actually. I am a Linux user and believe in Open Source. I<br/>would like to share my invention and prevent others from patenting it.<br/> Thanks for making Instructables available for this purpose. If<br/>you would suggest a different license, please let me know!<br/><br/>
I hate having to suck the water out of my hydration bladder. Soda bottles are designed to withstand an amazing amount of pressure for what they're made of... Why not add an inline tee with a schrader valve so that you can use your tire pump to pressurize your water? You would only need a few pounds pressure at most. Granted, your bite valve may have to be redesigned to sustain that pressure, but I think it would be a much more pleasant way to drink. Also, semi-trucks have threaded brass (or chrome plated brass) valve stems that are inserted into the rim hole, and then a nut is used to secure the stem in place. One of these could easily be used as a tap in a soda bottle lid. As they are sealed with rubber washers, this would be a bullet-proof way to make a very stout dripless tap. Oh, and make sure you take out the valve core! :o)
dudes.....you can buy a camel back backpack for10 or 20 dollars and it would keep your drink colder...
WOW! Looks like a lot of work! But still, I bet it's worth it, nice job.

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