Step 3: Now what? Its wound flat... Sort of...

Probably good enough for this simple experiment.

Tape it up with two leads hanging out.

I know the image isnt the sharpest, but we are looking at one lead from the coil. I stripped the end with some sandpaper and then coiled it around a small screwdriver.

Do this or something similar to strip both ends and make a couple of tight loops. This is not critical, it just gives us a point to attch the light bulb without soldering.
ok so do you know the song bangarang and the kid that has the electricity coming from his hand I want to have something like that.
Couldnt you better use a Diode bridge so it will burn when you go eitherways...?
for future reference just use a lighter and burn off a half an inch or so<br /> <br /> it makes sure the whole contact is clear and its much faster, decent instructable though<br />
I actually tried burning but found I needed to use sandpaper to clean the carbonized enamel from the wire anyway.&nbsp; This stuff is so small it really is very little effort to clean with sandpaper.<br />
add a capacitor instead of the bulb to store charge and dont forget the diode to retain charge in this way u can store energy
If you want to purchase some good magnets, then go <a rel="nofollow" href="http://unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm">here</a>. Where can I get info on how alternators work in a way a novice would understand? I can't find much on &quot;how to build an alternator&quot; (or a dynamo, for that matter). Only &quot;this is what alternators do: blah, blah, etc. No information describing how and why they create AC in language an amateur could understand.<br/>
THe best way I've seen AC explained was an upside-down 10-speed with the chain marked in one spot. As the mags move across the coil the field pushes and pulls the electrons back and forth in the wire. If you jog the pedals the same way keeping the marked part of the chain in a range of a few inches the pulses will spin the wheel faster & faster.
Hi, I will just take a second to describe why alternators make AC. Imagine you have two of these coils, wound exactly the same, sitting in the same position. Now imagine you flip one of them over so that the coil is wound in the opposite direction of the other. When the magnetic field traveling past them is the same, the opposite direction of flow will be generated in them because of their orientation, mirrored positions. The reason we like to make AC is because the current generated is stronger the more variance in magnetic flux, so in turn the most effective way to accomplish this mechanically is by the simple orientation of the coils or the magnets. Often, with a permanent magnet alternator, we flip flop the magnets and make all the coils the same. Imagine how inefficient it would be to pedal a bicycle if both pedals were in the same orientation, it would be like hopping and not like pedaling. AC is like offsetting the pedals by 180 degrees to create the most optimal use of the mechanical change. Potentially the same energy is there, but with the 180 offset we are more efficient at collecting it. Now if you are thinking, the magnetic flux is still coming from the same source at the same distance so why would it follow the direction of the wire, you would have a good question. The electrons traveling around a copper atom are always going the same way by nature. This means if we set a few free by inducting a magnetic field, they will pick up their direction by the spin of the electrons on the atom. Since this is naturally occurring we can pretty much count on the result to be predictable. So don't over think it. Let it sink in that this is how it happens and worry about the rest in physics class.
Thanks , it is really wonderful . I will try to make one like that <sup>-</sup><br/>
magnet wire is just copper wire right? cant you just get that from radio shack?
Magnet wire is just copper wire, but the insulation is a thin coating of enamel instead of thick pvc like normal wire. Yes it is available at RS, but when you need this much, you will probably want to order it from somewhere.
ok cool thats what i thought, and i was wondering what kind of magnets i should use, i was looking at the N42 1/4" thick with 27lbs of pull force, but i saw yours was 1/2" thick, would mine be sufficent for making my prototype?
The 1/4" thick ones will probably be ok. I have not tried them. - I think I answered this in an Orangeboard. : )
hahahahaha oops, soory i didnt see that message in my inbox doh!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this produce an AC current? If so, you'd need an AC to DC converter to power your LED.
What is an AC to DC converter? It is at the most basic level just a diode which half wave rectifies the current from AC to DC. More complex devices will contain about 4 diodes and some smoothing capacitors.
True. However I don't use an LED, see the flashlight in the photo... I use its 1.5V bulb.
cant you just put a few rectifiers on it and than that will put it to dc...like in the tic tac light???
You can, but this is pulsing DC, always the same side of the magnet passing the coil. This is really a great experiment from Fariday to illustrate how electricity is made in a permanent magnet generator or alternator. Current is only made as the field from the magnet is in motion passing the coil. This is a good starter experiment if you want to learn how electricity is generated and how it flows. Use an LED and discover that it will work with the magnet held one way but not the other. LEDs are a form of rectifier in that they only light when power flows the right direction.
By using only one side of the magnet, you're only limitating the flux to half the potential between 0 and Fmax, if you're using both sides, you get -Fmax to Fmax, but because the currant generation is based on the derivative of the flux, you'd see surrant going in both dircetion in both case... To us this current shape, maybe put 2 leds in opposing polarity... It would go darker when the magnet is reaching the end of its course though...
Because the magnet I use is charged through the thickness, and Im always passing the same side over the coil, it is pulsing DC. However, this isn't the point of the experiment. Use a flashlight bulb so direction and AC/DC are not factors. Keep it simple, this is to show how electricity is created in the most basic fashion.
Well, i=L df/dt<br/>f being the magnetic flux, When the amount of flux is increasing, you get the currant to flow in a certain way, when it is decreasing, it flows in the other way.... <br/>So you get an alternative current whatever the polarity of your magnet is... <br/>
An LED is a rectifier of sorts. If exposed to ac it will only light when it is "forward biased" and allowing curent to flow. When it is "reverse biased" it blocks the current flow up to it's breakdown point, if that is exceeded on a standard diode or an LED, it smokes. I think that was a "mini mag-lite" style light bulb that was being used though.
and we only see the led light,we do not notice it is flashing
it's not an led, bro
An LED can be powered by AC current ;) But it won't be on half the time :P
The flashlight bulb is not directional like an LED. The AC/DC issue isn't really the point. This is just an exercise to show the less electrically savy how electricity is made.
Does it produce more electricity if you make a larger version.
First improvement for this set up to make more power would be more coils of wire. Thinner wire in longer length to fill the same space will make more Volts. Thicker wire in the same space will make more Amps. It is a bit of a balancing act for what you want. There is room for more of the same size wire in the field than I have shown here. So you could use longer wire and a little more area to get more Volts and Amps. This only works until you exceed the magnetic field and then you are creating resistance and actually cutting down the power. Good Question. : )
next time try to use more than 2 pictures please
I'll try to get one of me holding the two items, but I couldn't hold the camera and coil and magnet at the same time... When I can get an extra hand from someone, I'll add the third photo.
check if your cam has a timed thing mine has one the allowing up to 10 seconds
Check out the last step, I added video a couple days ago.
i see now why you couldnt take a picture of it i found another use take off the LED and replace it with steel wool its an instant fire or those deserted island scenes hope this helps
LOL : ) Hopefully if I have access to wire and a specialized magnet on a deserted island, I would have presence of mind to carry water proof matches. Its a good point though. PS - Its not an LED, its a flashlight bulb.
ive seen on myth busters they make fire with steel wool and a 9 v battery and you could replace that with your contraption and with the contraption you can start it whenever vs. a battery where it automatically starts
and this can also be used i havnt tried it yet but you can use the coil off of those cheap rechargeble flashlights see here<br/><br/><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.instructables.com/id/EOTPZM2YWDETOMLJD6/">salvaging a &quot;fake shake flash light&quot; by hoopajoo</a><br/>you will have to replace the batteries with a real cylinder magnet of course which can be gotten here<br/><br/><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.instructables.com/id/E3BX1YRUUQERXTS58S/">sourcing rare earth magnets by trebuchet03</a><br/><br/>i love connecting instructables !..! *.* !..!<br/>
I saw that episode too. I love that show. Actually my 3year old son loves it too. Which makes me love it even more! You are right about the coil from the flashlight, that set up is made for a lot lower mAh but would work perfectly. That type of flashlight is essentially this experiment bottled up for resale with a capacitor usually, not the button batteries as apparently show up in the $1 version. I guess the cheapo light cheats with batteries because they are cheaper than a neodymium cylinder magnet big enough to do the job. Thanks for the connective input... get it... : )
what i would do is connect like 3 or 4 of these little magnets to make a big one and..... haha i got the 10th chain
Yahoo! See if it works and share some photos. : )
If you need a source for some REALLY strong magnets (plus lots of other neat stuff), try unitednuclear.com.
Also amazingmagnets.com and or otherpower.com
Thanks for the tip on unitednuclear.com. Very cool website!
This is called electromagnetic induction. When a magnet such as the one you're describing passes over the electrons that are in the wire (which is obviously a good conductor), a change in flux is created through the coil. Flux is the amount of magnetic field over an area, or in this case through the cylinder. When flux changes, according to Faraday's Law, an induced EMF (Voltage) is created in the wire (Change in flux over Change in time) Current is created because of voltage (the potential is what makes the electrons want to move), and thus a current will move through the light bulb and light it up for a short amount of time. Once the magnet has been held in place for a while, there is no change in flux (because the flux is constant), so the light bulb will eventually go out. What is more effective is if you have a bar magnet and move it back and forth through the center of the coil. This allows it to act like a solenoid, and will generate more of a current. You can look up the actual physics behind it yourself, I won't explain it here. Hope this was helpful.
Thanks. I had covered it more in detail on my wind power project. this was to keep it simple for those who kept asking me how the alternator works. : )
Just one other note: The bar magnet Im using here is charged North and South through the thickness, not end to end. This is standard for making a home brew alternator. I used this magnet for the experiment because if you are building a wind power machine of your own, this is what you will be working with. Also the thing is incredibly powerful at N43.
It would have been nice to see the stages and completion of your project, rather than the same pictures over and over. how about a film of the project in use? BTW: It would be much more efficient for your wind turbine to turn a dynamo rather than an alternator. The AC produced from wind would constantly be fluctuating depending on the speed the generator is turning. This would have to be put through a rectifier to convert it into a constant and stable DC current to be usable. A DC generator (dynamo) could be used to charge a bank of batteries which could then be inverted and synced with the grid. Your power company (in the US anyway) is required to pay you for power you feed back to the grid in excess of what you're using.
Lots of regulations make this impractical for home brew systems. Hopefully that will change. Actually an alternator and dynamo are essentially the same generating process. AC, however travels better over distance from turbine to power station. At your power station, you use a full bridge rectifier and convert to DC for charging or run the current straight into an off the shelf charge regulator which is already to accept "wild AC". Since the main difference between generating AC and DC is the orientation of the Permanent Magnets, and for compatibility as well as travel over distance greater than about 20 feet, I went with AC. This is also standard if you check out Hugh Piggots Alternator or any other major contributors to the wind energy movement. Its nice to see so much interest in such a simple experiment and that everyone is paying attention to the ball. : )
Transmission losses are proportional to current squared. Main power grids use AC because it is easily stepped-up to high voltages (reducing current for the same amount of energy) and easily stepped-down for end use. At the same voltage there's not much difference (and please let's not start a discussion on RMS...) For an example of AC/DC see Edison vs Westinghouse over electric distribution systems. Also, while they're both using electromagnetism, there are significant differences between AC/DC motor/generator construction. L

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