Step 6: Final Thoughts

As of now, it seems to be functioning alright, but keep a couple of things in mind; velcro, as I have found out, does not hold down case fans too well. The one black fan as shown in the images and video started to fall over, but luckily was caught by the other case fan's cord. Phew! One other thing is that the case feels quite hot! Maybe it is because our summers here are pretty warm and humid. I guess certainly no hotter than it was prior in the cirulating air environment. I will certainly keep you posted in the forums about how long this piece of machinery is lasting. I am hoping that if it survives the summer, than it has passed the hardest test on any computer. And by the by, this is one of the heaviest PC's you will ever carry. Since mineral oil is 64 oz. per gallon, and there are 5 gallons plus the weight of the PSU, etc. it should be around 25 pounds. In terms of noise, it would be COMPLETELY silent, if there was no hard drive. Since the hdd is 9 years old, it was not built for silence+performance. Hope you enjoyed this somewhat of a loose tutorial, enjoy the pics and video, and try this on your own if you have computer parts to spare!

Here are some finished product pics.
<p>Hey, We made our own Mineral Pc here's a video of us filling it up while it's on for any one doubting mineral oil/ baby oils ability to keep the computer running! OH and it's on windows 10!!! </p><p>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThUEwlmSeV4&amp;feature=youtu.be</p>
May I remind you of some basic thermodynamics: You seem to be using the oil as a heat sump. THat's fine if you understand that the heat must go somewhere or it will just keep heating up! So eventually, the heat consumed will equal the heat radiated through the walls of the aquarium. The aquarium is not a very good way of dissipating heat! So it will get very hot, the question now becomes how hot? <br> <br>The next point is that mineral oil is a very good solvent of organics, like wiring, glue that holds labels onto the powersupply, plastic connectors that the wiring plugs into, wiring insulation. <br> <br>In summary, this approach will probably not last long. If you want to cool your computer really well then check out the DangerDen forum and learn how to water cool, its most excellent and your machine is guaranteed to weigh less than 80 pounds!
<p>I know someone who tried this with a 10gal glass aquarium instead of the acrylic one shown. The mineral oil eventually dissolved the silicon sealant that held the tank together and caused a wall to fail. Of course it happened in the office... over the weekend... ruined the carpet.</p>
He's did not weigh eighty pounds more like 25
You could probably run the hot mineral oil through a heater core or radiator with some fans, and that would act like a whole computer water cooling system<br>
I know someone who did something similar but they used a refrigerator to cool down the oil constantly.<br>
<p>im looking forward to build a Semi-modular Gaming PC, oil cooled, and this seems to be a great idea, but does the components last summerged!? like 3 - 5 years, i really take care of my components and my oldest computer is 9 year old, so i realy need to know. THIS IS BEST COOLING EVER @ if it last!</p>
<p>for those looking into this for gaming rigs, this may answer some questions you have. </p><p><a href="http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php</a></p><p>I've been looking into this, buy the DIY is significantly cheaper. </p>
I've got a machine I've been running submerged for a while. A few observations <br>1. The oil never &quot;wicked&quot; up the wires, I suppose in some special case it might, but I never experienced it. <br>2. Depending on the watts you may not need external radiators to cool the oil. As a server under light load it would hold a temperature (a little warm but it was safe) <br>3. Don't try phosphorescent powder, it's too dense to stay suspended :( <br>4. Never had any problem, I use it for ASIC bitcoin mining and CPU litecoin mining <br>5. For the CPU mining I added a small (very small) aquarium pump with a pair of oil radiators striped from a Ford Explorer, they word well to quietly cool the system. <br> <br>The best way to think of oil cooling is a universal heat-exchange adapter. The oil nicely takes heat from your device and transfers it to where you'd rather the heat go. So if you've got a 1000 watt PSU, if you use a large enough (1BTU/hr ~= 0.3Watt) radiator to &quot;balance the equation&quot; <br> <br>
<p>Oil Submerged Crypto Mining<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="281" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/EpNERMxvPTk" width="500"></iframe></p><p>6 GPUs 5 in the video(one is down.)</p>
Very nice setup. I was worried that GPU cards would have sensors on the fans. But it appears at least these do not.<br>I am still shopping for bargain ASICS to add to my bath.
<p>as a fellow bitcoin miner your post is extremely informative!</p>
Glad to see that my project is somehow, still alive and a discussion. Nice post!
<p><a href="http://malkaris.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-merits-of-mineral-oil.html" rel="nofollow">http://malkaris.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-merits-of...</a></p><p>I'm not sure if links are allowed but I've got more details about my project here.</p>
<p>thank you very much!</p>
<p>my only question is how come you didnt remove the fans? i'm assuming you kept them for the same reason they were there to improve flow, but wouldnt the mineral oil be very hard on them?</p>
Laziness I guess.Watching the fans slowly die was fun.
<p>So the fans didnt work? i had figured since they should be magnadrive they would work alebiet slwoly but work to push the oil around for you nonetheless.</p>
<p>Nah, that's not necessary. Stagnant mineral oil is fine.</p>
<p>I'm not argueing that it's necessary I'd just like to go into it with an understanding, was the fan that stopped magna drive, or did it die because it was still a motor based fan?</p>
<p>It was just one of those cheap, system-esque fans with ball-bearings. No idea what type of fan it was. But, it eventually slowed to a hault after too much stress of constantly forcing viscus material around itself. Fans are not made to do that, therefore it died.</p>
<p>Ah ok that makes sense, Definitley a weird feeling watching hardware die in front of you and not minding. Have you noticed any issue with bleeding from the psu? I'm thinking the mineral oil should be non conductive enough to make that a nonissue, and i'm not referring to the toxicity discussion here as especially if you were to vacuum seal the system as i intend to moisture would be a non-issue, my curiosity would be the capacitors themselves bleeding electricity however i would imagine that after an hour of runtime this would be a fault problem, so if you havent noticed that i'm guessing you arent going to, the viscosity of the mineral oil shouldnt change very much. i've got a 1250 watt psu so i'm curious if that would arc more and cause more of an issue. However as you can probably imagine i'm not using anywhere near its capacity. So its curious lol.</p><p>Obviuously i'm still very wary and researching heavily because i dont want to toast my gaming rig, but i will continue to try to find out what psu's people are successfully dunking for a duration, Malkaris is one i would really like to hear from i know he's consuming huge amounts of power with mining. so my answer may lie with him.</p><p>as i told him THANK YOU so much for your post it's invaluable to me!</p>
no power issues. I explained the few issues I had with hardware. one new observation that warm oil (60degC) will quickly stiffen PVC parts like USB insulation. it doesn't fail, just won't bend anymore.
<p>A couple of things I can point out that may or may not help are: it was a lower wattage PSU from when this project was developed in 2007, probably no PSU bleeding, and I didn't have anything moisture sealed. The system was on continuously as a server for more than 5 years and I didn't notice any issues with it whatsoever.</p><p>No problem, I'm glad that you have found this article useful, even after 7 years of its posting!</p>
do you need the fan? because isn't the whole point to eliminate All noise?
<p>maybe if you tried adding a peltiere cold plate to the top of the tank? you could rely on the convection inside the tank to bring warm oil up to the plate then it will sink as it cools?</p>
Does anyone know of an alternative to mineral oil due to the cost eg. automotive, industrial, cosmetic, food related... or a gel powder mix added to water? - please and thanks <br>Mike
<p>You could use motor oil, not sure if it would be cheaper. I considered using synthetic oil, something that stays fluid until -40, then you could &quot;cryogenic&quot; cool the oil. Generally not necessary, but who knows what people might do.</p><p>The trick is something that won't conduct, and doesn't corrode or dissolve the parts. </p>
what happen after 1 year ; does it have probleme with dust ; or do we have change the oil sometimes ?! thanks ;)
Hi Piratus,<br><br>Nothing happened after one year, other than a negligible amount of mineral oil was missing. I could have topped it off, but that would not have made any difference. No need to change the oil, other than after a few years maybe add a bit more.<br><br>Cheers!
Baby oil is mineral oil one is scented, I guess &quot;Awlatmg&quot; is referencing a commercial grade mineral over a residential grade. Got some at Sams Club for next to nothing saved me a trip to a farming supply store / chemical reseller... Wiki me good.
Clear oil, yes lamp oil is cheap at Ikea, but that would light on fire. Baby oil works well and smells good, try that got some from the dollar store. Mineral oil will last longer than baby oil, mineral oil for Mineral $15-20 per quart at 5-6 quart - $100 vs. Baby oil $5-10 per quart at 5-6 quart - $50, the baby oil is 25% less efficient. If it were changed once every two years the baby oil is better value but need to be change on a more regular basis depending on use. The mineral oil is better for overclocking and longevity. If it&rsquo;s a day to day pc, mineral if it&rsquo;s a show piece baby oil. I took an old tv removed the tube built a tank with plexi and silicone, mineral oil rocks pumps d&eacute;cor and light for less than $150. Looks amazing and I use it as a media server for my home and now I don&rsquo;t have to feed my fish.
Contact me I wanna know if this requires any special kind of mineral oil if not I would like to know ASAP what I can put under the oil and what I can't and how to keep it moving around I'm also wondering how much it would cost to convert my PC to a mineral oil pc
bet it doesnt over heat a lot due to that mineral oil
Qoute, "sockeye101says: this is why they use oil as a coolant in transformers. however, after a while it becomes radioactive/ toxic/ poisonous or something like that. BEWARE!" Actually what happens to the mineral oil in transformers is the oil can absorb moisture and break down due to internal arcs in the core of the transformer. The moisture forms sludge, and the arcs break down the oil into several different compounds, one of which is acetylene. This darkens the oil and can introduce carbon into the oil from being broken down by arcing. Transformers that do this are usually found during routine oil sampling and repaired. Unless you put something radioactive into the oil, it won't become radioactive. Toxic/poisionous is a possibility if anything shorts or arcs in the oil; or if the oil breaks down the wire insulation. As an intersting note HV transformer cores contain wood and paper as insulation, along with the silicon steel core and the copper windings. The mineral oil in transformers usually has a breakdown threshold of say, 3kV or so, found by using a oil tester made by Doble. I work for a company that builds HV circuit breakers and am familar with transformers. Cool setup though!!
I don't think you understand something.... When was the last time you saw a computer 'arc' any electricity? Never. That's because they don't. You're not even comparing &quot;Apples to Oranges&quot; more like &quot;Squid to Invader Zim.&quot; The reaction you're explaining will positively never happen in a computer, it doesn't have the 'capacity' to do so.
Computers are electric devices. Short them out and they'll arc. They've plenty of 'capacity' to do so.
&quot;Computers are electric devices&quot; <br>Yes indeed. <br> <br>&quot;Short them out and they'll arc.&quot; <br>Not much and not very long. Poof! they stop working. <br> <br>&quot;They've plenty of 'capacity' to do so.&quot; <br>Not enough to cause mineral oil to become radioactive/ toxic/ poisonous - which was the whole point of the original comment.
&quot;Squid to Invader Zim.&quot; LOL
I've seen a computer power supply arc. Shortly afterwards, it let all the smoke out of the computer, so it didn't work anymore, though. I'd still be concerned that a shorted power supply MAY be able to produce enough heat to cause a problem, but without having done any experimentation with mineral oil, I don't know what kind of heat we'd be talking about.
Here's the thing though: Even if it did have that affect on food grade mineral oil, a Power Supply that is in the process of 'arcing electricity' will very quickly fail. End of Computer. It likely won't process long enough to make any mineral oil toxic.
Indeed, once the smoke is let out the PC doesn't work anymore. :/
computers may not arc, but anything over a couple of volts has bleed. Same results as arcing, but longer to achieve.
As I've researched the concept of using mineral oil to cool a PC I've yet to encounter anything remotely related to the following: &quot;oil can absorb moisture and break down due to internal arcs in the core of the transformer. The moisture forms sludge, and the arcs break down the oil into several different compounds, one of which is acetylene. This darkens the oil and can introduce carbon into the oil from being broken down by arcing.&quot; This is explaining something that occurs in Industrial HIGH VOLTAGE conditions using non-food-grade mineral oil. It is so far off base when compared to the voltage and output of a PC power supply that it is silly to contemplate happening whether a Power Supply temporarily arcs (and then dies) or over a period of time 'bleeds.' It... will... not... happen. It cannot happen, a power supply doesn't have the 'umph' to do so.
I'm not saying that it is enough to cause a problem for circuitry. And it will definitely not be observable. I too have done a large amount of research into electro-chemical reactions, and I actually used a computer power supply as one of my tools for awhile (until I could afford to buy a supply with more juice). Mineral oil is probable fine to use as an insulator, but I would recommend filtration or replacement at least once per year. I don't know how hygroscopic mineral oil is, but I do know that breakdown can occur in non polar fluids due to induced London Effect charge, and I know that any impurities in the oil will aggravate that by increasing any dielectric. Increased dielectric = increased probability of reaction.
And he might be thinking of cfc oil
PCBs. Toxic, indeed. Outdated but there's so much of the stuff it will take centuries to get rid of every last drop used in the past 50 years.
What you are talking about can kind of happen, but in conditions much more extreme than this. My GUESS would be that most of us would have upgraded way before any that would happen. If you are reading this on a P3, you might be the exception.
You can get the mineral oil at a hardware store in the paint department by the gallon can allot cheaper than all those pints at around $1-2 ea.

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