Step 3: Flatten, Cut, and Drill Copper

1. Since the copper is softer, flatten it with pliers.
2. Cut the copper into two electrodes, approximately 2.5" x 1" and 2.5" x 2".
3. Drill a hole into the top of each electrode.
4. Place leftover scraps aside.
I don't understand all the extra steps here, this seems like a lot of work to save a day or two of waiting. All you have to do is put some HCl in a tank with some peroxide, add copper and bubble air through it with an aquarium pump until the copper is consumed and the solution turns a deep green (details on the chemistry can be found elsehwere). If you need etchant quickly, you can mix the HCl and peroxide and etch a board immediately. So what does electrolysis of copper followed by stove-top oxidation of the copper powder really save? Just get a setup with an aquarium bubbler, it's needed to regenerate the etchant anyway.
<p>I agree with your thoughts on the extra steps here. However, the real gem of this instructable appears to be a simple recovery of metallic copper powder. In my case I was wondering about a simple fool proof way to recover copper from spent CuCl2. This seems to me to fit the bill nicely. Spent solution? pull excess copper by this method, set powder aside and smelt. Just my $.02</p>
<p>There's actually a sub-field of mining called &quot;electrowinning&quot; which focuses on extraction of metals from solutions via electrolysis. They typically use CuSO4 instead of HCl. You may also want to look into copper plating with CuCl2, there may be a way to add brighteners (not sure what exactly) that would allow the copper to form as a solid mass on the electrodes rather than as loosely adhered powder. There's actually a great book by Lowenheim from the 1978 called &quot;Electroplating&quot; which is voluminous about the process in general.</p>
<p>For what it's worth, both Firefox and Chrome flag your link to Seychell's paper as a malware site. There appears to be a safe alternative here -- </p><p>http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/CuCl2.htm</p>
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What if... <br>i can get my hands on really cheap and relatively pure (98%) copper oxide? <br>Could i just go the shortcut and mix the CuO (Copper(II) Oxide) with the HCl (muriatic Acid) and add a bit of H2O2 (or use a bubbler to aeriate it)?
That would probably work very well. I think they use a similar technique using sulfuric acid to extract copper ore in some mines.
Thanks! :)<br>Will try that
All, <br>I used some of the info on this intractable as well as some others. and had 99.9% success... HOWEVER... I did have a melt down too. I share this in hope that it may help you or someone who expects more from less. <br>My tank and build. <br>http://thesn1per.blogspot.com
Thanks for the link. It may save some time if you're able to obtain the chemical compatibility table for a particular plastic. Most have them available. For example, try searching &quot;HDPE hydrochloric acid chemical compatibility&quot;. It shows how well it stands up to hydrochloric acid (and others). <br> <br>Also, here's a nice document detailing how to test unknown plastics. <br>http://www.chymist.com/Polymer%20Identification.pdf
Good stuff! thanks for the link. Im looking for all the fittings I need in either <br>Polypropylene or PVDF/Kynar. whatever is cheapest and easy to get. I should be set!
thank you for your process, ill definitely try it :) <br> <br>as a constant current source, I think we could use the el cheapo current limiting LED drivers. a 900mA 10V would be ok I think :)
I just finished making a batch of this tonight. It's a brilliant, clear green. It eats aluminum foil like candy, I've never seen metal eaten so fast. I did a test etch on copper and it took a little longer than I'd hoped, but etch time isn't a huge problem I suppose, as long as I can do it reliably. Any suggestions for minimizing etch times?
I haven't tested the hypothesis out, but supposedly, using an aquarium heater to warm the solution helps to increase its speed. Adam Seychell's link from the intro / purpose section provides some graphs of etch speed vs. temperature.
Is the current limiting in step 4 just to protect the power supply, or is there some other reason to limit the current to a half an amp?<br><br>The NTE resistors in that step remind me of lots of fun trips to the Electronics Barn, which was downstairs from Nu Tone Electronics in Bloomfield. Whatever I used to bring up to the counter the old man used to always tell me, give me five dollars ... I figured he wanted lunch money or something. Good times. I miss that place, I hear it is gone now.
I used half an amp since those are the two resistors that I had on hand. I wanted to limit it to one amp, but I didn't have the right resistors to do so. I think you can safely get away with at least 2A, though I used current source from Step #6 supplying 1A.<br><br>Anyway, here are two reasons to use a limiting resistor:<br><br>1) At high currents, your electrolyte could get hot enough to boil, venting lots of HCl fumes. Also, at high currents, you get more hydrogen bubbles, which is not only a fire hazard, but also carries with it more HCl vapors.<br><br>2) As you pointed out, protecting the supply. When it comes to power, if you use an adapter beyond its rated capacity, there's no guarantee that it'll work the way you expect it to. It could shut off, go out of regulation, or burn up.<br><br>Lastly, if you use a high-current capable supply without limiting resistors, such as a modified computer power supply, or a car battery charter, you could supply the kind of currents capable of boiling the electrolyte.<br><br>For example, when running 1A through it, the solution had between 0.570 and 0.780 V across the terminals, meaning that its resistance is 0.570 - 0.780 ohms. If you attach a 12V supply capable of supplying say... 30A (such as a modified computer power supply), you could get currents as high as 21A. This will certainly boil the electrolyte.
Thank you for the informative reply. So any current under what boils the electrolyte is OK? Of course it is difficult to say exactly what that is as the electrode distance is going to vary from setup to setup. So pretty much whatever I'm comfortable with safety wise?<br> <br> I also wondered why you filled the bottom of your tank with bits of copper too. Just to get more copper suspended I imagine?<br> <br> I want to go with HCl and peroxide because I am sick and tired of FeCl getting copper loaded and stopping etching. I've gotten good etches out of FeCl, then the next time I go to use it the stuff stinks! lately Radio Shacks aren't even carrying the fluid, so I've tried to use the powder and I never got that to work good for me.<br> <br> This is my old etching setup:<br> <a href="http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7184/etch1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7184/etch1.jpg</a><br> <br> I'd prefer a bath solution that just kept on working, or one I could spike back to working strength. Lots of folks say this HCl and peroxide solution is the best way to go. I need to get back to etching, I'm tired of point to point wiring up circuits, I end up with messes like this:<br> <br> <a href="http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6572/stepproto1b.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6572/stepproto1b.jpg</a>
I think that's pretty much how it goes, so long as it doesn't boil or emit TOO much vapor from hydrogen bubbling.<br><br>I added extra bits of copper so it would dissolve in the solution while the electrodes dissolve / accumulate copper powder.
Thank you SO MUCH for this Instructable. I've had so many problems with PCB etching for so long I want to scream. Chemistry at home is so discouraged it's, well, discouraging. I will be making up a batch of this post-haste.
Looks good. What do you think about using just salt as the electrolyte? I realize it will need ventilation due to the release of chlorine gas.This way I can just dump the electrolyte easily since it won't have any acid it. I want the copper hydroxide and not the solution since I already have my tank of cupric chloride.<br> <br> I'm also thinking of using a car battery charger as the voltage source. Mine has a setting for 2 or 10 (!) amps. I imagine it might need forced air cooling at 10 amps for any length of time.&nbsp; I don't know if this might damage the charger.<br> <br> Your muriatic acid is very clear compared to the yellowish contaminated 34% HCL I have. Are you sure that Safer stuff is actually 25% HCL? Reading the Safer material safety sheet shows HCL concentration &lt;25.0%. Interesting that they don't list the exact concentration. It seems more purified than the others though (either that or it's very diluted).
I think you might be able to get a good amount of copper powder accumulating on the negative electrode, provided both are copper. You'll probably be able to wash and oxidize it for use in etching.<br><br>Given that your charger is current limited, I'm sure you can use 2A safely, your electrodes / jar might need to be larger so it won't overheat. The 10A setting might heat up the electrolyte too much.<br><br>I'm not sure what the exact concentration of the HCl is, but maybe at higher concentrations it's yellow?

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