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PLAY AND RECHARGE IPOD USING OLD BOOMBOX - Hints and tips

PLAY AND RECHARGE IPOD USING OLD BOOMBOX - Hints and tips
Consider this an addendum to other iPod boombox mods. I admit I borrowed from other Instructables. Not to take away from those Instructables, here is a "shout out" to those that inspired me to dive into my own mod. Thank you.

Instructables on modding an old school cassette player boombox to play your iPod.
Aiwa boombox
JVC boombox
Phillips boombox
Sony boombox

Instructables on building a charger for your iPod.
Super Simple
Famous MintyBoost
YAN9VUSBC
iCylinder

These are all great Instructables. Unfortunately, I ran into some snags and wanted to add a few more features. So, my Instructable covers how I solved some of those problems. I hope this will help others who've run into similar snags or want similar features. Lastly, I had many "do-overs" with this mod and wanted to motivate other modders not to give up on their projects. If you have the courage to tear apart something you just modded, you'll end up with something you can be proud of.

Background:
I started with a Sony CDF-8, an old school combo cassette tape, CD, AM/FM radio boombox. What I wanted in the end is an integrated iPod docking cradle that would both recharge the iPod and play through the docking connector Audio Line Out. I wanted to add a compartment where the old tape mechanism resided. Lastly, I also have a Motorola SLVR L7 iTunes phone so I wanted to add an aux Line In jack.

I've broken this Instructable into segments based on the features I added and the things I learned. I've skipped over most of the basic stuff since the above Instructables do a great job of explaining all of that.

Sorry, I didn't write this Instructable for newbies. The details aren't included. I glossed over things assuming the reader had some previous modding experience. You'll note most of the photos I've included are after the fact. I didn't take any before photos since I wasn't planning to make an Instructable. Without the photos I couldn't include details needed for a neophyte to tackle this mod. Therefore this is more about Hints and Tips rather than a true step by step.
 
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Step 1HINT - HOW TO FIND A "CLEAN LINE IN"

HINT - HOW TO FIND A \"CLEAN LINE IN\"
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In the other Instructables and various other places on the internet you'll read about problems with using what I call the "cassette-tape-head-method." You know, use the black, red and white wires on the tape head and feed the headphone output from your iPod to it. This doesn't always work and it didn't work with my mod either. One solution is to search the boombox main board for a left and right channel. If you're lucky, you'll find an "L" and "R" somewhere on the main board.

Here's a hint to make your hunt easier. Most of these boomboxes have a mechanical selector switch that switches the source from the CD player, radio or cassette tape to the main amplifier. Find this selector switch.

After you find the switch, flip the main board over and locate the correct pins for the cassette tape player. I was lucky, mine were labeled.

The switch is dual pole, one side for the left channel, the other for the right. Follow these traces to a spot where you can solder on some leads. Mine happened to end up on two jumper wires on the parts side of the main board which makes soldering real easy. On my mod, I wanted to run this "clean line" to both the iPod and an Aux. Line In. Therefore, I wired a pair of leads to this spot. Where do these leads terminate? One L&R pair can be soldered and heat shrunk to the 1/8 stereo line in jack, the other L&R pair to be wired to the iPod, See STEP 3.

Why is this line "clean?" Because it bypasses the cassette tape player's preamp and associated circuitry, which was designed for a tape head not the headphone output of an iPod. If you connect your iPod to these lines and adjust the iPod volume, chances are you'll get a much cleaner sound than using the "cassette-tape-head-method." Booya!
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May 3, 2012. 3:49 PMmastermakoko says:
Hey, ive been trying to make my tape player radio "ipod compatible" and tried the tape head techniuqe.Your right,it didnt work too for me,all i hear is static.Guess ill have to try step 1.
Apr 24, 2012. 8:26 PMgoethes says:
nice work! i also got an old JVC stero with CD/FM/Tape. currently i just use a iphone dock and connect its line out to JVC's AUX in. but your work inspired me. :D
Aug 28, 2011. 8:26 PMscarrazzoni says:
Tried it out and it worked. It was complicated, and I was pretty lucky. I found the right connectors messing around , nothing was labelled. The only issue is that when I select the CD mode and play a CD, sound only comes out from the right speaker. I don't really care as I simply use the AUX input that I created and, sometimes, the radio, which works fine. I powered the boombox with a 12V 2.3 AH battery that beautifully fits in the battery compartment (takes 8 D size batteries = 12V) and then i mounted everything on my bicycle :D. It sounds so well!
Aug 20, 2011. 7:34 PMcowscankill says:
My left and right audios aren't blatantly labeled, though I can clearly see a left and right, I cannot tell which leads connect to cassette 1, cassette 2, or the radio. There are 7 pairs of leads from the input selector and I have no idea what connects to what.
Aug 24, 2011. 12:24 PMcowscankill says:
I fixed it up! I found two ICs and googled what they were, both were amp chips. I found which one affected the Tape I on the ghetto blaster and hooked my MP3 directly to the IC's input. I had to put 3.3k ohm resistors on both channels, but it now works fine. I can get audible sound with low distortion up to 500ft away!
May 29, 2011. 7:06 PMdrkfox46 says:
Thank you so much! This really improved my sound quality as opposed to the connecting my ipod to the cassete head.
Jul 15, 2010. 8:46 PMrhonyg says:
Hi, how can I do if my selector switch is digital?
Jun 19, 2010. 8:03 PMthreewheela says:
thanks soo much! your instructions on how to find a clean line helped me to complete a similar mod on an old sanyo radio that looks much like the one in your ible
Mar 17, 2010. 9:47 AMboris111 says:
I'm trying your method by connecting directly to the line in on a Panosonic boombox. I'm not getting any sound out, but my phone does detect headphones.   I'm thinking the boombox needs to detect that the play button is pressed before it will turn on the amp.   Unfortunately I already canabalized the ribbon cable going from the casette to the board on the boombox.   Do you think putting a resistor from the 5 V cassette motor power to ground will mock the play button being pressed?
Mar 18, 2010. 8:36 AMboris111 says:
I figured it out.   I needed to run a short from the 12 Volt power to a label called "Tape H"   First tried 5 volts, but that didn't do anything. 

Sounds great!    Thanks for writing this though.  It inspired me to bring new life to my mid 90's boombox instead of spending $150 on a new  boombox with comparable sound quality.
Feb 18, 2010. 2:59 PMmpikas says:
I see your left and right connections, but where did you connect the ground for the 2 speaker channels?
Feb 18, 2010. 8:32 PMmpikas says:
Actually, I was wondering on the board in the boombox, where you wired the clean line at the selector switch, you showed the left and right signal connections, but not the ground.
Feb 20, 2010. 9:34 AMmpikas says:
Thanks, I can find the ground plane, I just didn't realize that you can use it for the signal... I guess that's why old school GM radios are a pain to make work with "standard" stuff since they run a negative signal to the speakers.
Dec 20, 2009. 8:12 AMendolith says:
What brand and model number is your USB charger?  Are any other pins connected besides the four you listed?

Are you sure the pins are actually numbered and connected like this?  Both 50K resistors are connected to both pins 25 and 27?  Why didn't they just use a 25K resistor?  These pin numbers seem to be reversed from yours: http://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Dock_Connector
Jun 26, 2009. 10:37 PMnitorud says:
Many thank you's on the post preamp connection idea. I was using a Panasonic RZ-3940 without L or R labels. I plugged my iPod to the ground before the tape preamp and started touching the R to spots that looked promising. Bingo. Now I can crank the iPod volume and the sound is pristine. Thanks for the post!
Oct 31, 2008. 9:31 PMGamingRobot says:
Nice im working on a project just like this but im having trouble with static i used the cd linein instead is the tape player linein, does the cd linein have a high inpedence? Also i shocked myself in the project!
May 30, 2009. 7:28 PMtoogers says:
turn down volume on ipod, turn up volume on boombox.
Nov 3, 2008. 6:09 PMGamingRobot says:
i get like a clicking static sound and its only when the ipod is charging when i unplug the charger within the box its fine no static.
Nov 3, 2008. 6:12 PMGamingRobot says:
sorry but to add i think i got it mostly fixed because there was impedance miss matching about the same problem you had but i used a t-pad which is a bunch of resistors you can see it here

http://www.instructables.com/id/Boom_Box_Ipod_Dock_Homemade_iHome/
Mar 23, 2008. 12:37 AMMacyoshary says:
Mum won't let me do this because she thinks I'll electrocute myself since it says on the back not to remove the case. Is there anything I can do to convince her otherwise?
Dec 8, 2008. 10:29 PMabadfart says:
hahaha ya my mom freaks out when i make fireworks, she doesn't like it when i play with explosives.
Mar 23, 2008. 2:15 PMMacyoshary says:
Ok then. My boombox has house power or batteries, would that make a difference?. Also here in Australia house power is 230-240v which is twice yours. Thanks anyway, nice instructable.
Jan 5, 2008. 1:19 PMPyromaniacDaniel says:
Very nice instructable but I have two questions. first is why did you decide to make your own voltage divider circuit rather than rip it from the existing dock or simply incorporate the the entire dock wiring and just hook it to the incoming power line and then run a switch in the ground wire? secondly what is the point of the 5v regulator instead of running straight from the 10v motor line if you are using the 12v input? It would charge faster that way.
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