Introduction: Pool Solar Heater or Optical Illusion for Entertainment

Commercial solar pool heaters are expensive, especially if you need multples.  Here's how you can cobble together a solar collector/heater for your pool and create interesting 3-D optical illusions to entertain (or frighten) your neighbours and friends.

It's not as hard as it looks.  If I can do it, anyone can do it.

Step 1: Why Another?

There are a lot of pool heater instructions on the internets; this one culls together the best parts of each (sort of) and provides more specific advice for the pumping situation.

Step 2: Components

The solar heater consists of three main components:
  1. Pool water
  2. A pump
  3. Solar heater
The action is:
  1. Water is pumped from the pool to the collector
  2. The collector transfers its heat to the water going through it
  3. The heated (sort of) water is returned to the pool

Step 3: Components, Cont.

For this 'able, we'll be using two collectors and two input/output streams.

Why?
I started out with just one collector and wanted to try more for more heat exchange.

Step 4: Tools and Materials

The hardest (uhm, next-to-the-hardest) part of the solar collector system is getting the right materials and getting them to all fit together without becoming a Rube Goldberg project.

As we go along the steps, I'll show you more details about what specific parts were used.

Step 5: Tools and Materials, Cont.

Materials
(1) Pool (this Instructable used a 16 foot Intex vinyl above-grounder) [$330]
(2) 100 feet roll of 1/2 inch poly tubing per collector (total 200 ft per collector) [$10 ea]
(1) 8 foot 2x3 stud per collector (or 2x4) [$2 ea]
(1) 4x4 foot (approx) plywood panel per collector [$9 ea]
(1) Straight internal 1/2 inch coupler per collector (for coupling together into one 200 ft tube) [$1 ea]

(30) 8 inch or longer tie wraps per collector [$3]
(1) 1/2 inch T-splitter [$1 ea]
(1) 850 gallon per hour, 12 ft head, submersible pump [$70 ea]
(1) Slightly larger than 1/2 inch portion of rubber or malleable tubing, about 2 inches long (bib) [$1 ea]
(1) small hose clamp [$2 ea]
(n) Bottles wine [$3 ea Europe, $9 ea North America]

Tools
Drill
5/8 inch or larger drill bit (for holes through which to pass cable ties)
Scissors (for lobbing off 5-inch splice to connect T coupler to pump output)
Duct tape (for patching holes in hose)
Slot screw driver (for hose clamps)
Wine glass

Step 6: COLLECTOR: Base

We'll start out with building the collector since that will give you an idea as to whether you want to continue with the rest of this nonsense.

Get a 4x4 sheet of plywood for each collector.
You can buy 4x8 sheets at the hardware store and have them cut them down to size for you.  This is advised because it is easier to transport back to your house.

I got one large sheet of plywood at the local Habitat for Humanity ReStore, and the other already pre-cut as as an under layment board.

Paint the bases black and set a side.

UPDATE: using reflective material rather than black paint may be better for heat transfer.

Step 7: COLLECTOR: Frame

Cut a 2x3 board in two four-foot pieces, then attach them in a cross-piece.  You can spray paint it black if you want, but it'll mostly be covered with black hose anyway, but eh whatever.

FYI:
  • 2x3 is a little lighter weight than a 2x4, but use whatever you want
  • Two four-foot pieces for the frame is the right size for 200 feet of hose, or one collector
  • This smaller, four-foot size frame  is easier to carry and manage and thus put away at the end of the season (and move around)
  • You can attach the two sections in several ways, none of which is any better than another (I tried several methods, the easiest was just to pound 'em into each other)


Step 8: COLLECTOR: Collector Piping/hose

The collector's guts consist of a lonnnnnnnnng black pipe through which the water will run and (hopefully) heat will transfer to the water.

This is the type of hose that I bought.  It's cheap. It's black. Those are the only good qualities about it.  Two hundred feet of 1/2 inch diameter piping will fit on the frame.  This was found near the plumbing department in the irrigation and sprinkler aisle and was only sold in 100 and 500 foot rolls.

This stuff is about $11 for 100 foot, so buy two rolls for one collector, buy 4 rolls if you want to build two collectors.

FYI: why this stuff and not copper?  I don't have any skill and putting copper pipes together sounded like a pretty big hassle. Plus I wanted to mimic the commercially available solar collectors as much as possible which for the most part are based on some type of black hosing.

Step 9: COLLECTOR: Piping Coupler

Since I used two rolls of piping, I needed to couple them together.  These little gray plastic things that have ridges on the end worked perfectly for this.  They were found in the same aisle as the hoses.  Again, if you are planning to make two collectors, grab at least two for this part.


TIPS:
  • There are different sizes and widths of these little gray plastic things so be sure to try it out on your hose while at the store to make sure it will fit.
  • The guy at the hardware store told me to use a hair dryer to ensure a tight fit, but my hair wasn't even wet so I don't know what the hey he was talking about.
  • He also said I needed a hose clamp but I didn't, so call the cops

Step 10: COLLECTOR: Piping Unwind

The hose is pretty kinky (but not in a good way).

So first unravel the hose as much as possible.

Step 11: COLLECTOR: Piping Winding

The idea here is that you will be winding the pipe on top of the frame around and around, similar to piping frosting onto the top of a cake.

But you'll want to leave about ten feet of hose dangling before piping.  (So this is akin to piping frosting on your table first and then continue up and onto the top of the cake.)  

WHY? You'll need the dangling 10 feet of frosting er I mean pipe to run the water to/from the pump and pool.  You'll need to remember to do this for each end of the hose.


Step 12: COLLECTOR: Piping Winding, Cont.

You can start the piping at the outer edge of the frame and wind around, or at the center.  I did both and neither was easier than the other.

In this photo I had started from the center and wound outward.  Either way the hose will kink every 10 seconds.

Step 13: COLLECTOR: Piping Winding, Cont.

As you frost, you'll want to use plastic wrap ties to keep the hose in place.  I used 8-inch ties (a total of 30 for one collector with 200 feet of pipe). 

UPDATE:
There are several conflicting comments about the use of tie wraps; if possible you might want to get wraps that are specifically designed to handle sunlight.

Step 14: COLLECTOR: Piping Winding, Cont.

The tie wraps  I used were kind of short (8-inch long) and allowed me to hitch up only two wraps of pipe at a time.  You might want to get longer ties.

To wrap,
  1. Drill an initial 5/8 inch hole through the frame and right along the inside of the first loop of frosting,
  2. Then drill another hole on the outside of the second loop of frosting.
  3. Run your fingernail along the tie wrap to double-check where the teeth are, then feed it through the two holes. WHY? Tie wraps have only a one-way attachment and 99% of the time you'll get them backwards.  By running your fingernail along the wrap you can reduce the percentage of frustration.  Some times.

Since my tie wraps were pretty short, I actually had to use pliers to tighten the wraps.

Here is an mp4 showing (in olde thyme speed) tie wrapping a piece of the hose.

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http://youtu.be/7LhXrt7zAq8

Step 15: TIP: Drilling Tie-wrap Hole

TIP 1
Don't get too close to the outer pipe when drilling the hole.  Yep been there done that.

TIP 2
Try not to touch the drill bit too much.  Yep been there burned that too.

Step 16: Alternate to Tie Wraps: Screw Heads

I saw a few collectors on the Internet where people used screw heads to act as clamps to hold the piping down.  This didn't work too well for me because the screw heads just weren't large enough.

For me, the tie wraps just worked better.  And they hold better when moving the thing around.

UPDATE:
Another idea for holding down the collector tubes would be to use long copper strands and/or string in a weaving-manner; i.e. poke the string/wire in and out through the holes.  This would be nice because it would allow you to easily remove the string/wire at the end of the season and breaking everything down.



Step 17: COLLECTOR: Piping, Cont.

When you get to the end of the first reel of hose, use the gray coupler thing to couple to the next roll and repeat with the second hose.

Then I guess you're supposed to wash your hair and dry it with a hair dryer.

You can skip this step, of course, if you already had a 200 foot roll.

Step 18: COLLECTOR: Piping, Cont.

No matter what you do, you will end up eventually with an optical illusion.  

You can stop here and put it on display or continue to unkink, unwravel, unwind.

TIP:
Unwind with a glass or two of wine at this point.  This will actually make the hose look straight.

Step 19: COLLECTOR: Piping, Cont.

As you near the end of the roll of piping, be sure to leave about 10 feet or so unwrapped for water access to/from the pump/pool.

And watch out for kinks.

Being able to do yoga poses is also useful to hold down the hose between tie wraps.

Step 20: COLLECTOR: Repeat for Secondary Collector

Eventually, after enough bottles of wine, you'll have two collectors.

Place each on its plywood base.

This photo almost looks like I knew what I was doing.

Sort of.

Step 21: PUMP

I started with a low-cost ($30) submersible garden fountain pump. That worked well for one collector but not for two.  So I got a larger ($80) pump.

This one is rated at 800 gallons per minute.  Seems to work and it seems like I could add another collector and it might still chug along.

This pump was chosen because it had specs that were right on the package:
  • Pumping height: 12 ft (means it can get the water up and out of the pool okay)
  • Fits 1/2 inch tubing (means it should fit my hoses; more on that in a bit)
  • For ponds up to 12 ft (my pool is a little larger than that, but eh not by much)
  • Had a bunch of parts that looked like they could be useful (more on that in a bit, too)
FYI: REASON FOR USING A STAND-ALONE PUMP OTHER THAN THE POOL'S INTEX PUMP
  1. I wanted to experiment and the Intex pool pump was too much of a hassle to disconnect and reconnect
  2. The hoses coming to and from the Intex pool pump were huge and I knew that it would be another hassle to try to fit those hoses to the collector's tubing
  3. I wanted to experiment with a timer to turn the collector pumping action on and off every 30 minutes or so and I knew that the Intex pump would probably throw its circuit breaker and ruin my experiment
  4. I was not planning on introducing a thermo-syphoning technique
  5. If this whole collector thing did not work then I planned on using the pump for a fountain feature

Step 22: PUMP: Tip

Just in case you are unfamiliar with pumps, this one is submersible so you actually place it in the water.  Some pumps are not submersible (i.e. outmersible).

The input of the pump usually looks like the intake of a B-52, with nasty looking propeller things.  The output hole (hee hee) is usually just the other end.

Step 23: PUMP: Attach Collector Hose Ends to Output End of Pump

First attach a T splitter on the pump output (depicted in the pumptoon) that will BOTH:
  1. Fit on the pump's output hole (hee hee)
  2. Fit the 1/2 input piping on the collectors

H A   !
GOOD LUCK!

Step 24: PUMP, Cont.

There a few types of T splitters that are made for 1/2 inch tubing.  Both, according to the guy at Home Depot, require you to wash your hair and then dry it, but I didn't.  I opted for the little grey splitter since it was the easiest to use.

Step 25: PUMP, Cont.

While the little gray T splitter's output fit into the two inputs of the collectors' pipes okay, the input of the T would not attach to the pump's output hole (hee hee).

This is because the pump's output hole (hee hee) is hard plastic and the little gray T splitter could not get a grip.

Step 26: PUMP, Cont.

Therefore, the next contortion is to cobble together a piece of the 1/2 pipe, connect the 1/2 inch pipe to the little gray thing's T input, then cobble the 1/2 inch piece of pipe to the pump's output hole (hee hee).

HOWEVER!
Even though the pump's specs said that it "fits" 1/2 tubing, it doesn't say that it will fit as-is.

UPDATE:
So depending on whether the object in question is a hose, a tube, or a pipe, the "specs" will apply to either the inside diameter or the outside diameter.  No word, however, on what the specification is for an output hole (hee hee).

UPDATE 2:
If you wash your hair at this stage and use a hair dryer you might be able to make the tubing pliable enough to squish on to the output hole (hee hee).

Step 27: PUMP, Cont.

So the next contortion is to cobble the 1/2 inch pipe through a bib and then to the output hole (hee hee) of the pump.  A bib is an external coupler and I just made up that term.

The bib consists of a piece of tubing just slightly larger than the 1/2 pipes.  Go to Ace hardware with your 1/2 inch tube and they'll be able to get you an inch or so length of bib.

Step 28: PUMP, Cont.

And add a hose clamp around the 1/2 inch pipe.  You might not need the clamp, but you probably will so I recommend it.  You don't need to dry your hair.

Step 29: PUMP, Cont.

After about a half an hour, this is what I wound up with:
  1. Coming out of the pump is a 1/2 inch piece of piping coupled to the pump's output hole (hee hee) with a bib and clamp
  2. The 1/2 inch piece of pipe is connected to the input of the T splitter
  3. The T splitter outputs will go to the inputs of each of the collectors' pipes

Step 30: COLLECTOR-TO-PUMP CONNECTION

From each collector, grab one end of its hose and attach to one end of the T output.

Step 31: IMMERSE PUMP

Almost done!  Toss the pump into the pool and plug it in.

Step 32: COLLECTOR OUTPUT-TO-POOL

Grab the other end of the hose from each collector and place over the edge of the pool.  This is where the heated (sort of) water will be pumped to after circulating through the collectors.

Step 33: (OPTIONAL) Add Thermometer

Add a thermometer to one of the collectors.

Step 34: COVER COLLECTOR WITH WINDOW OR PLEXIGLASS

I snagged a few huge windows at our local Habitat for Humanity ReStore for $10 each.  I just laid them on top of each collector and shored up the sides with a few loose boards to keep the wind out.  

I didn't build a complete window frame because I wanted to be able to disassemble, remove it, and store it over the winter easily. Plus I'm too lazy.

UPDATE:
The collector boxes really DO need to be insulated, so if you are planning on this type of collector, building up a frame would be worth it.  You don't have to do it immediately if you are lazy like me, but try to get around to it before the season is over.

Step 35: (OPTIONAL) CHECK TEMP AFTER HOUR

On a pretty warm day (80ish) the collector (under glass) displayed about 120 degrees.

Step 36: ADD TIMER TO PUMP POWER (OPTIONAL)

As an experiment, I wanted the pump to circulate every 1/2 hour so purchased a timed socket.  This allows the water to sit in the collectors for a while to warm up before getting pumped back into the pool.  Or that was my theory, anyway after discussing the approaches with the experts at work. (snort!)

I went through two of the Brinks timers because the timers stopped working after 1 day.

I settled on the GE timer which actually allows you to set the time in 15-minute increments.  Jury is still out on this one.

UPDATE:
THIS STEP SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY.  BUT THE TIMER IS USEFUL ANYWAY TO TURN THE PUMP ON DURING THE DAY AND OFF AT NIGHT.

Step 37: FINIS

So how's it working?
Well, as soon as it was up the clouds came rolling in.
And it's been almost raining every day since.

Step 38: FINAL NOTES

Some final tips for pool heating ideas:
  1. The commercial solar pool heaters are expensive but convenient.  They also require you to put them in line with the pool's filter and pump (they usually do not have their own pump).
  2. There are many on-line calculators out there (see this one for example) that will help you determine the number of collectors you should use. The number of collectors that you need will always be more than you are willing to build or buy, but it will usually come to about 5 collectors.  With the commercial heater that I started out with initially (see photo) I have a total of 3.
  3. A good example of solar collector system: Filpumps
  4. Get and use a solar blanket as a cover.  (See this instructable for easily putting on and taking off the cover.)
  5. Get a way to mix up the water (there is a gadget especially designed for this but I can't seem to find the link). Mixing up the warmer water on top of the pool with the cooler water at the bottom of the pool results in a better overall temperature.
  6. By the way, I am using this for my chlorine production: Intex Salt Water Pump
  7. A possible chlorine replacement (thanks to member ebb_au): Biguanide

Comments

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andrefierens made it! (author)2017-06-28

Genius ! Nice Pictures !

I build a Solar Water Heater, first with a garden hose and a Solar fountain-pump.

I still use a Solar fountain-pump ( SolarMax 600 - Ubbink ), but with a Intex Solar Mat. Which makes the module, system Foldable and Portable. Info click :

https://www.instructables.com/id/New-Low-Cost-Geni...

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Elio23 made it! (author)2015-06-30

I want to say thank you to you and other great insctructable who make me
very happy. See my photo. Thank you so much, Elio from Italy

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dougmorency made it! (author)2014-07-02

I have done this myself for the past couple of years.

get one of the utility pumps used for flooded basements, that have a garden hose attachments. buy the thinist, cheapest garden hoses you can find, 2 or 3 of them.

buy an outdoor timer with setting of 15 min or less off on cycles and plug the pump into it. water will almost boil coming out of the end of it.

http://www.rona.ca/images/2003351_L.jpg

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dbuckley6 made it! (author)2014-06-20

I intend building one of these. kinks seem to be a big hassle when winding. However if the coil is filled with water and sealed ( tied kink at each end) I think kinking will be greatly reduced. You can actually bend copper this way without in kinking - I have done it - as water is non compressable - unlike air. Great detailed job BTW ; good pic etc prob helped by wine!

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mwatson16 made it! (author)2014-03-05

bib is a TLA for " bit in between"

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bignail1954 made it! (author)2013-09-29

I built one very similar to yours except I used 1/2" garden hose inside an insulated box with glass over it. In my area(NE Ohio) ,we don't have enough sunny days to heat the water very much. A pump that circulated 1 gallon a min brought the water temp up the best maybe 20 degrees.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-10-17

Holy cow! How long was the hose?

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iconrl made it! (author)2013-09-23

Do you think it would be possible to use a small DC pump powered directly by a solar panel? It would only run when the sun is out and pump faster the more sun it received.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-23

That'd be a great idea-- it would depend on the horsepower/GPH of the motor. The A/C motor I'm using is 800GPH, for example.

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joshem made it! (author)2013-09-16

Thanks a lot, very useful!!!

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zawy made it! (author)2013-09-08

Here's a less expensive way: drape black plastic just beneath the surface of the pool (assuming you don't want to paint the bottom of the pool black. Now your heater collect is as big as your pool and more efficient than any other design (96% because the only loss is the reflection from the water surface). Split large black plastic garbage bags can be used, but I don't know how to easily connect them to make a large sheet. To make it up to twice as powerful, place 4x8 aluminum-sided insulation boards on each side of the pool where light can be reflected into the pool. $12 for each 3 m^2, 20 times cheaper per watt than this method.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Yah, I saw something like this in this 'able:
https://www.instructables.com/id/Pool-Heating-XL-Lily-Pads/

But actually when doing research, I didn't find that to be a popular option. Have you actually tried this and found it to be effective? It would be a great alternative if so.

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zawy made it! (author)zawy2013-09-10

We have a 4x8 foot inflatable pool where I have split black trash bags and added the reflectors. But the physics are simple enough that calculations are more accurate than DIY comparisons. The lily pads you link to are better per square foot than any plastic pipe method because the heat transfer through the thin plastic is better and there is no loss in transfer to and from the pool. The lily pad method would be better if they were below the surface of the water by at least 6 inches. It is losing heat from its surface being hotter than it would be if it were sunk. The ideal method for winter would be to have painter's plastic sheets (clear polyethylene, very inexpensive) or the clearest greenhouse plastic you can find to lay on top of the water's surface., then have a sunken black plastic layer, or, less optimal because more heat into the soil, the bottom and sides black. Then add reflectors to the north side for midday and to the west side in morning and east side in afternoon. Amount of temperature increase is 6 kWh per m^2 per day for the yearly average of most U.S. locations, times the m^2 of the pool if it is summer which is still correct in winter if you use reflectors, times 96% for 4% loss from the top plastic (8% if it does not lay on the surface of the water), divided by heat capacity of pool which is 1 degree Celcius per calorie of heat per cm^3 water times m^3 volume of pool water times 1E6 cm^3/m^3 times 4.184 Joules/calorie times 1/3,600,000 kWh/Joule. If 18x30' pool averages 4.5 feet deep (meters: 6x10x1.5= 90 m^3) this gives:
6 kWh/m^2/day * 6x10 * .96 / ( 90*1E6*4.184*1/3.6E6)
or to simplify canceling the large numbers and the pool surface area:
6*0.96*3.6/1.5 depth/4.184 = 3.3 C increase during one day which is 6 F. Plus or minus any gains or losses from the hotter or cooler ground and air. If pool is kept same temperature into fall, then there will not be much ground heat loss compared to the surface. If aluminum-sided 4x8 insulation boards were used as the reflectors, then you flip them down to cover the pool when Sun is not shining (aluminum side UP, important). Heat loss in watts is ft^2 surface * F temp difference divided by R-factor divided by 3.4. For 6-hour sunshine day R-factor=0.5. When insulation R=4. These are underestimates if the water is still which is maybe R=2 from the water itself insulating. So watt-hour loss per day for 50 F day for 12 hours and 35 F night and 85 F pool is (30x18)/3.4*{6 hour*(85-50)/0.5+6 hour*(85-50)/4 + 12 hour*(85-35)/4} = 100 kWh per day. If the reflectors kept an effective pool-area exposed to the Sun, then the pool's 6x10 m surface gained 5 kWh per m^2 (winter) or 300 kWh per day for the pool, 3 times more than the heat loss. Even with 30% cloudy days and 30% shade from trees, 85 F pool throughout winter for 80% of U.S. should be "easy" by this method....with enough reflectors (20 4x8 insulation boards in this case, $11 each) aimed moderately well throughout the day which is a reason I did a heliostat instructable. Even without reflectors, a pool painted black and covered at night (to prevent evaporation which kills the heat gain) will get hotter than a shallow pond in a few days, over 100 F in the summer.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-11

Well it's been about thirty years since my theromodynamics class but the main idea of the submersible pads would be much less deep than other rabbit holes I've been down. Might give this a try next year.

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throwedoff made it! (author)2013-09-08

I have thought about this method. Right now I have been using a solar blanket for several years. From mid June through mid September my pool temperature runs about five degrees below the outside air temperature when the cover is left on except when the pool is being used. In late July and August we have to uncover the pool in the afternoon or the water temperature will be close to 100 degrees!!! Not to refreshing when you've been mowing the yard!

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Wow; I used a solar blanked too but never saw the temperature rise to more than 79, and that's with the solar collector pumping.

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throwedoff made it! (author)throwedoff2013-09-10

I live in the Texas panhandle. By ten o'clock in the morning from mid June through the end of August it is usually ninety degrees or better outside. I have full sun exposure on my pool during those months from 10:00 a.m. through 7:00 p.m. with the overnight temperature averaging just above eighty degrees. My pump is on a timer and doesn't run at night. I think a solar collector running at night would act as a heat exchanger pulling heat out of the pool if the ambient air temperature is lower than the water temp.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-11

That's what I've heard (i.e. that the collector running at night would work in reverse).

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klubow made it! (author)2013-09-10

How much do you spend on electricity for the pump ? I assume less than for a heater?

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-11

Actually I don't know because by the time I had everything running the rains came in and the season was over. I looked into a heater (both electric and gas) but they were very expensive. The pump is a fountain/pond pump so running it 8 hours a day would not be any more of a hardship than having a water feature.

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IDThoris made it! (author)2013-09-10

Aw man, my dad and I built one of these in the 70's for the community pool! Bringing back some sweet father/daughter memories! Thanks!

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woodpuppy made it! (author)2013-09-10

One of the best instructables I have seen yet. My vote= 1. There is a lot that could be done better... But that is what instructables is all about!! I Hope to see more from you.

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beefsupreme made it! (author)2013-09-08

Sad, cold pool owner here- I always thought I'd want a coil system like this built into my existing pump/filter system. Any reason not to go that route and use a separate pump? I was also thinking a (copper?) coil around the hot part of the pump itself might make good use of some residual heat, as well as cool the pump down, which can overheat on really hot days.

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igusdude made it! (author)igusdude2013-09-10

I used a small submersible pond style pump for my rig. So the heat generated from the pump went directly into the pool... I would take the pump out when the kids were swimming, plus I also double check the GFCI ciruit to make sure its safe about every couple of weeks.

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jack8559 made it! (author)jack85592013-09-09

beefsupreme, if I used copper or aluminum tubing around the hot pump motor or pump(which I think is a great idea), I think that I would plumb it so that you could bypass the 'heater' in the case of really hot summer days when the water is already very warm and you'd really rather to cool it down a few degrees than heat it more. You could use a tee with a smaller diameter going to the heater and let most of your water do like it's been doing and go to the filter and then tie the heated water line back to the filter line by means of another tee. If you put a shutoff valve between the 'heater' and one of your tees, you would essentially turn the 'heater' off but the filter would still work like it did before the heater was installed.
Hope this helps!

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Beef-- I originally started with one of the commercial collectors that DOES inter-connect with the pool's pump. The reasons that I did not attach the new home-made coils to the pools pump included the fact that a) I had no idea how to connect the 1/2" tubing to the big honking Intex pool pump tubes and did not want to have to disconnect the pool pump just to get the tube to take along to the hardware store; b) I incorrectly thought that it would be more effective to use a timer on the collector pump and have it turn on and off every 1/2 hour and did knew that the pool pump would throw a fuse if I did that so therefore I wanted to us a separate pump; c) I was experimenting and wanted to use a stand-alone pump again because the pool pump was too much of a hassle to connect and disconnect.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Sorry, boy I just re-read what I typed and it made no sense. I didn't want to use the pump pool because:
a) I wanted to experiment and attaching and un-attaching the pool's pump is a hassle (been there done that too many times)
b) I didn't want to waste time trying to find an adapter to fit my coil's 1/2 tubing to the pool pump hose (been there too many times too)
c) I incorrectly wanted to use a timer to turn the coil's pump on every 1/2 hour and I knew that the pool pump would crap out doing that
d) I wanted to experiment

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igusdude made it! (author)2013-09-08

Great Instructable. I have done this exact thing for my in-ground pool. It took 6 coils, a total of 600 feet of black drip irrigation tubing to produce enough warm water for a 15000 gallon pool. It works great. But two things I made a mistake on... 1. I used brass fittings as my connectors. They do not do well with chlorinated salt water!!! My interconnects were brass garden hose m/f, so I could pack the coil away during the off-season. 2. My second mistake was using the zip-ties. I used black zip ties that said they were UV resistant and OK for outdoor use... After the first year, all my zip ties broke during handling. The sun made them very brittle. I would suggest you use some other method of keeping your coils together.

The rest of your instructable was spot on!!! Great work.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Igus-- did you have your coils in parallel or series? And can I ask what area of the earth you're in? I have a total of 400 feet of the tubing (actually a little more since I have the crappy commercial coil too) and almost a third of your pool size (5000 gallons) yet still had trouble getting the water temperature up (notwithstanding some of the obvious problems like no insulation for the coil frames and not running the pump continuously of course).

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igusdude made it! (author)igusdude2013-09-10

Cobinrox, I live in southern california, so the sun and weather help keep things warm. My coils were in series. I measured about 10 degree increase in temperature between inlet and outlet. The Pond pump was rated at 300gph, but with all the tubing friction, the water poured out at a much lower rate. I think it was the slow flow rate that gives the water time to get warm. My best pool water temp was about 92 degrees, a little too warm for comfort, but I thought that was awesome!!! The coils were not insulated either, they just sat on top of the concrete deck which is a medium grey color. Not sure the deck helped or not, but it did get warm also. The biggest loss of heat is due to evaporation, so covering your pool with a bubble sheet cover will help.

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jack8559 made it! (author)jack85592013-09-09

Maybe take a strand of copper wire and wrap it around each pipe then back to the previous one, like sewing it to the board might work well for you. Aluminum wire might work well too since neither will rust, but remember that copper will oxidize and may leave a green line where rain rinses it off over time and aluminum oxidizes into a white color.
My neighbor preheats water going to his water heater and we used black well pump line (1" ID) and put 500 feet on his roof in a huge coil with 2 x 4s spaced every 8 feet and we fastened the pipe down to the 2 x 4s with plumber's tape and deck screws.
Plumber's tape goes by many names such as carpenter's tape, etc, but it's nothing more than a thin strip of metal either galvanized or zinc coated with holes about 1/2 inch or so apart. It's usually sold in 50 or 100 foot long rolls and doesn't oxidize easily.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

That's an interesting idea, I also would wonder if you could actually even use thin rope to "weave" the piping.

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jack8559 made it! (author)jack85592013-09-10

If I were to do that, I would make certain that the rope could withstand rain and sunlight first, but remember that rope won't conduct heat well but copper and aluminum will which might make a little difference in how much heat is transferred into the pipe but it will be very little. Look at youtube.com under solar heat exchangers, solar heaters and the like and you will get some pretty good ideas. If you have heat sources that are vented to the outside in the summer that may also be a good source for heating your water (exhaust from the air conditioner, clothes dryer etc.).

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Rohit.Agrawal made it! (author)2013-09-09

Hi Cobinrox,

Just an thought, can you not use copper tubing instead of rubber one for your collector ? Copper tubing would heat up faster and once it is heat up even cold water gushing in would become hot.

I know copper tube is bit expensive but if you would use copper tube then you dont need that much long coil to wind in a collector. this way you can reduce the cost but increase the heating effect in less time.

I also know bending copper tube is bit tricky but there are lots of instructables available some by putting salt inside or some put water or some put something else. Google it and you would find tons of it.

Best regards,
Rohit

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-10

Hi Rohit- copper's always an option, but I knew that I'd have a hard enough time just getting the poly tubing to fit together. For copper I'd probably need a lot more equipment than I'd be willing to buy. Thanks for the info though, good to know for anyone else pursuing this quest.

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adamjoe86 made it! (author)2013-09-10

As far as point 5 above, why don't you try taking the outlet from the collectors down toward the bottom of the pool. The outlets could be spread further apart and pointing the same direction around the pool to mix the water as well.

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LobosSolos made it! (author)2013-09-09

I'm guessing that this is for during colder winter months? Because otherwise what's the point? As far as I know the purpose of a pool or other swimming area is to cool down. I grew up swimming in a spring fed creek that's the same temperature year round (pretty cold).

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SirRahKnight made it! (author)2013-09-09

I Like your tubing panels but a couple ideas that will not only reduce the cost of construction. Instead of using a seperate pump, use the outlet side of the pool pump filter. I put my pool pump/filter on a timer to run only during daylight hours and hooked the tubing after the filter using a simple PVC T with the half inch hose fitting. One could put in a valve if they did not run system on a timer but they would have to remember to turn off the heater at night. But eliminating the pump saves money and time and the stream can power the flow through several heater assemblies then simply run the other end of the tubing over the edge of the pool and afix in place. I placed my tubing to run around the pool railing using a heavy aluminum wire (8 gauge) to make brakets to afix to railing. I figure about 2 degrees increase in warmth of a 25000 gallon pool per 50 foot length of tubing.

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ravenjams made it! (author)2013-09-09

Well worth doing. Nice idea, My pool generally is at 95 F every day when the sun is shining then it drops drastically with no sun. Sometimes the darn thing is just to hot. My pool pump runs 7 hours a day which I think really bad for my electric bill. So next solar panels for my pump to reduce the cost of operating this beast. But I like your Idea!

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dbradford made it! (author)2013-09-08

Great effort! Very detailed and informative too. I hope you don't get sniped at for your methods (there are lot of different ways ways to make the fitting connections, fasten the coils to the back plate and even run the solar heaters in series). The simple fact is YOU did it and I have not...great job!!! The other aspect is that while others like myself are great Monday morning quarterbacks, YOU LEARNED first hand. This is great and you have given me some ideas for an outdoor solar shower. Thanks for taking the time to document YOUR work!!!

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Hee hee, that's exactly why I had never tried this before: too many conflicting (and missing) details floating around out there. One thing I have not found out how to do is efficiently empty the coils at the end of the season. I about burned my hands off this weekend trying to unravel the coils in an effort to get the remaining water out. It was about 93 degrees outside and the pipes were pretty hot!

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OutlawKtulu made it! (author)OutlawKtulu2013-09-09

An easy way to clear out the coils would be with an air compressor and using a air nozzle attachement to blow compressed air into the line to remove the water. I use this method to blow out the copper pipes on a cabin I have to get it ready for the winter and it works well. I would say a small pancake tank compresser would be all you need for this.

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jack8559 made it! (author)2013-09-09

In my experience Pipe and Hose is measured and sold by the Inside Diameter (ID) and Tubing is measured and sold by the Outside Diameter (OD). I am in North Carolina and that's the way it is here.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Interesting; I'd been using the terms interchangeably. I wonder what the output hole of the pump is considered to be? Probably a tube since that's why it wouldn't fit the tubing which is a confusing phrase. Thanks for the info, I'll have to keep that in mind if I decide to make three more next year.

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tbuskey made it! (author)2013-09-08

What if you put a 1 way valve on one end? As water in the collector heats up, it will discharge the hot & draw cold water in. I've seen this used to add water cooling to a motorcycle engine.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Yah I've heard that theory too. From one article I've read about thermo-syphoning though, your collector has to be set up like a parallel circuit, not series.

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sergioaugusto made it! (author)2013-09-08

Forgiveness, friend, but I have been a grave error of physics in their design. The warm water loses density and therefore rises without pumping. The cold water is denser and out the bottom of the reservoir until the heating coil and returns over as the effect known as 'thermo-siphon'

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Yah, but if I turn the pump off, nothing comes out.

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DakotaWind made it! (author)2013-09-08

Nice detail. A simple hint to increase the system output is this. Do not turn off the heater to allow the water to heat up. Let it run. As long as the water being returned to the pool is warmer than the water going to the heater you have energy going into the pool and the water is heating up. You will not feel hot water coming out of the pump but trust the engineer, it is giving all the heat it can. Use your pool thermometer to test the return stream. Even if it is only one degree hotter it is maximizing your heaters transfer. Mine shows two degrees on a sunny day. My 18' pool is at 82 today in North Dakota.

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cobinrox made it! (author)cobinrox2013-09-09

Yep, you're right. Thanks for the tip. We've had so much rain here that the maximum that I've seen the pool temperature be is about 79.

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