Popsicle Stick Longboard Deck

 by nsnip
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I have wanted to make a longboard deck for some time, however I was having trouble finding cheap veneers. I started thinking about using popsicle sticks to construct my own veneers instead. Popsicle sticks are made from baltic birch, which is used to make wooden aircraft so I thought It might work for a longboard as well. Here's what I did.

 
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teach me cool stuff says: Nov 27, 2012. 2:14 PM
could it be possible to make a regular plywood core and then simply put a layer of popsicle sticks on the bottom? i like the look of the popsicle sticks, i just dont have that kind of patience :P
predatory meatball says: Oct 23, 2012. 1:22 PM
hey just wonderin how do you like the sabre trucks btw?
nsnip (author) in reply to predatory meatballNov 1, 2012. 8:32 AM
I really like them. They are super stable and have a real feeling of control!
MackeFeet says: Jun 3, 2012. 4:29 AM
Okay.. So I know alot of people just use regular sheets of Baltic both and the bend the wood I a pres and glue em together.. Well would it work to make say 2-3 sheets of these flat veneers and then glue em together normally ? Like due 2layers for each"veneer". One with the grain and one against? If that would work it would be easier to sculpt out then boiling the sticks.. But would it break easier? Idk.. Please get back to me!!!
nsnip (author) in reply to MackeFeetJun 3, 2012. 8:00 PM
Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking.
MackeFeet in reply to nsnipJun 7, 2012. 3:39 PM
Sorry I'm on iPad and autocorrect gets me sometimes.. I mean could you make flat sheets of Popsicle stick "veneers" and the glue those together in a mold? And for the veneers do one layer horizontal and one layer vertical... If that's more clear please respond.. I want to make flat to skip the whole bending the Popsicle step.. Thanks in advanced..
nsnip (author) in reply to MackeFeetJun 9, 2012. 2:39 PM
You could try it, make a few small veneers and test it.
MackeFeet in reply to nsnipJun 10, 2012. 5:27 PM
Okay thanks sounds good.. I might just try it!
The Dragonborn says: Jun 7, 2012. 7:39 PM
Absoulutely fantastic!
cryophile says: Feb 28, 2012. 6:37 PM
Would it be possible to do this in a herringbone pattern?
nsnip (author) in reply to cryophileMar 30, 2012. 9:29 PM
A herringbone pattern would look great on the outside layers! It would be considerably more work, but most likely worth the effort.
jcrameri says: Mar 11, 2012. 5:03 PM
How many and what size were your foam core sheets
nsnip (author) in reply to jcrameriMar 30, 2012. 9:24 PM
I bought 3 sheets 24" x 36" 1/4" sheets, however I only used 2 of them.
LadyKatianaTheBrave says: Nov 26, 2011. 9:03 PM
About how much did it cost you to make this? I have a friend who would probably try to make one but is alas a poor college student.
nsnip (author) in reply to LadyKatianaTheBraveNov 28, 2011. 8:02 AM
The cost to make the board was around $40 not including skateboard trucks, wheels, bearings, and hardware.
dcarter-davies says: Nov 19, 2011. 12:10 PM
you could put a layer of fibre glass on to add a bit more strength and stiffness but also give a bit more spring.
larslovespeace says: Nov 4, 2011. 7:57 AM
I make custom longboards, and this project seams very out of the box. For at least I wouldve just gone and bought some sheets of BB ply but the bottom design was tight with the popsicles. it was almost like hard wood floor. Ill be making an instructable on how to press with sheets of baltic birch. Very nice. Itll be interesting to see how your board does over time.
happyhour8891 says: Nov 1, 2011. 8:18 PM
So after the first layer was done did you peel it off the vinyl or did you leave the vinyl on the finished product?
nsnip (author) in reply to happyhour8891Nov 2, 2011. 6:58 AM
The vinyl was only adhered to the foam core mold. The vinyl is glossy and keeps the glue from sticking to the mold so that the first layer (bottom) can be easily removed from the mold.
happyhour8891 in reply to nsnipNov 2, 2011. 8:03 AM
So later you replaced that with the wax paper, which then brings to question...how weel did the wax paper work?
nsnip (author) in reply to happyhour8891Nov 2, 2011. 1:09 PM
The wax paper was only used to separate the layers from one another during the glueing of the layers, it was later peeled of and sanded away before the final glue up.
zomfibame says: Oct 31, 2011. 1:04 AM
cool!
thestyrofoampeanut says: Oct 30, 2011. 8:16 PM
you rock! thisdeck is absolutely incredible. when i saw the title that it was made form popsicle sticks i thought it was either a joke or it sucked. boy was i wrong! i may try it if i come across a lot of time but you have pure talent man. it looks great.
mrsalty129 says: Oct 25, 2011. 12:51 PM
That thing has a gnarly big tail. Was it worth all the work? How durable is it?
nsnip (author) in reply to mrsalty129Oct 25, 2011. 1:02 PM
Totally worth the work! It seems to be holding together quite well!
AwesomeRhino says: Oct 24, 2011. 6:45 AM
Looks awesome!

Could you please provide more info on the flex of the board? Could you also state the thickness of the board after completion?
nsnip (author) in reply to AwesomeRhinoOct 24, 2011. 7:06 PM
The board is 1cm thick. I weigh 190lbs and it supports me with some flex. If you want a stiffer popsicle stick longboard do seven layers instead of five. A seven layer board would be around 1.4 cm thick.
crazy4u200 says: Oct 23, 2011. 10:27 AM
i really am looking forward to doing this project! however i don't know skate stuff very well, can you tell me exactly what hardware you got for this?
nsnip (author) in reply to crazy4u200Oct 23, 2011. 12:20 PM
190 mm Sabre trucks and OJ 60 mm "Hot Juice" wheels. Minilogo bearings and Shorty's 1" bolts.
crazy4u200 in reply to nsnipOct 23, 2011. 2:21 PM
thanks, I'm really excited to try this, I've wanted a longboard for a while now!
just mike says: Oct 22, 2011. 11:08 AM
WOW great job!
ldukehart says: Oct 20, 2011. 11:12 AM
Do you get wheel bite at all?
nsnip (author) in reply to ldukehartOct 22, 2011. 10:31 AM
Nope, no wheel bite.
Kinnishian says: Oct 20, 2011. 7:46 AM
I'm a little confused- it seems you didn't use a core. In the first post I heard you call the popsicle sticks a veneer, but overall I never saw any talk about what sort of core material you had in the board. Since you also mention "make it 7 layers not 5 for a trick board," I'm thinking that you made the *whole thing* out of popsicle sticks. That's tremendous. But...Why? I feel like there has to be some cheap strong material you could throw in the middle to give it a little more strength.

Sweet instructable, though
nsnip (author) in reply to KinnishianOct 20, 2011. 9:50 PM
It is completely popsicle sticks. The more layers the more rigid the deck will become. Instead of buying veneer sheets I decided to make my own. It definitely is possible to use something else as a core material but I wanted to use popsicle sticks exclusively.
Kinnishian in reply to nsnipOct 21, 2011. 4:49 AM
I see. I was confused because veneer is, as far as I'm aware, something usually layered on top of a core material (for instance, the cheap veneer on top of the super cheap core of my desk). But I guess vaneer sheets must just be the terminology in making these layered decks. Thanks for the reply & clarification!
daemonkrog in reply to KinnishianOct 21, 2011. 5:05 PM
A veneer is simply just a thin layer of material (usually wood) that is either glued onto another (cheaper) material specifically for the look of the veneer or multiple layers are glued together to form a plywood. It doesn't actually have to be on top of something else to be a veneer. If there's a core material involved, it's usually to cut down on costs but occasionally is used for strengthening the end product.
clazman says: Oct 21, 2011. 12:32 PM
This is for those that questioned the lack of a core.

Panel construction with a core is very complex. The aerospace industry has utilized this concept for years. Without getting too technical I will try to describe the problem so that the readers here may be able to avoid the pitfalls.

The main purpose of utilizing a core for the center of a panel is to reduce the panel weight. That being said, panel construction with a core presents problems that may or may not be present in a panel without a "core".

As I stated a core's main purpose is to reduce the weight of a panel. But, it does have a structural purpose. That is, it's purpose is to prevent the surface components from coming together as the panel is bent. Consequently, it need only be strong in the direction perpendicular to surface panels. It can even have hollows in it. One very good core is a honeycomb core. It has strength in only one axis. It makes an extremely light panel.

The only problem then is that the surface must be as close to being homogeneous as possible. The surface is what carries the stresses due to panel loading. Thus the name for these panels is "stressed skin panel".

As I said, the surface must be as near to homogeneous as possible.

The panel created here is far from being homogeneous. The core, as I have described, would not be able to "absorb" these stresses. The panel would fail.

Instead of utilizing the weight saving advantage of a core the author has utilized the "concept" of plywood construction, where alternating layers are at 90 degrees to the mating layer. As the author stated, the purpose is to utilize the grain direction strength of wood. The “cross grain” strength of wood is very low in comparison to the strength in the grain direction. The panel, as constructed here, is a lot heavier than it needs to be and is wasteful of material.

That being said, This panel could have had voids designed into it. The sticks could have been cut in half and then been separated during layup, by say 1 inch in the lengthwise direction. Care would be taken to not allow to much adhesive to enter these cavities for it would be wasteful and non-productive and make for a heavier panel "board".

I am sorry for the brevity of this description of panel construction, but it has taken us years to reach the state of the art as it applies to "stressed shin panels". I could not possibly afford a proper description here in just a few words.

I do hope I have shed some light on panel construction. I hope that the author, as well as others, could take advantage of what was presented here.

Cheers!
clazman says: Oct 21, 2011. 11:35 AM
I know nothing about boarding, but being a woodworker am very impressed with your project. Laminating not only takes advantage of grain, but also allows the ability to reinforce the discontinuity created due to lamination process itself.

Had you considered the 5 minute epoxies? Possibly could allow the process to continue on the fly without the need for complete vacuum bagging?

Cheers to you!
iminthebathroom says: Oct 21, 2011. 9:49 AM
Crazy, like it!
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