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This project is my dad's $10 solution to a $500 solution to a $25,000 problem. As I have previously mentioned around the site, my Dad owns an electric 1979 Ford Courier pickup, and is cool enough to let me drive it around. We absolutely love it, and wouldn't trade it for a Tesla Roadster, but one of the few problems with electric cars is heating and cooling. In a gas car, heat is provided by the 80% of the gas that is wasted as heat, and air conditioning is provided by a crankshaft-driven compressor system. Many EVs use hair dryer elements and fans for heat, and some, ours included, feature a powerful gasoline-burning heater.

(Update from 4-22-08: I'd forgotten that I mentioned the gas heater on here. Last fall the gas tank and heater were removed, and a ceramic heater was built in. It works great, although not quite as fast, and doesn't use gas.)

However, air conditioning is trickier because the shaft of an electric motor doesn't always spin. Some have used a compressor driven by the motor shaft anyway, while others have turned a compressor using a separate motor. Finally, my dad came up with part of the concept for this system. It pumps ice water through an evaporator core, which has fans that blow air through it. It is very simple, but we found what we were looking for at Sporty's Pilot Shop. They sell air conditioners built into ice chests for prices ranging from $475 for a basic model to $625 for a 24V, dual fan model.There is also an ArcticAir unit for $4750 with a full compressor unit. However, we like our $10 version better. I saw the ArcticAir display at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh this summer, and our unit is more compact and puts out cooler air. All you need is materials, basic construction/assembly and wiring skills, and a bag of ice. Let's go!

Update, 5-12-08: 100,003 views! Yay! I'm no Kipkay, but I'm still proud.
 
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Step 1: Background and How it Works

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This project is very similar to the ArcticAir Package Unit. In fact, I attached two pictures of it I took at AirVenture this past summer. It looks almost identical to ours, and we built this without ever seeing a picture of the inside! The basic concept is to use a boating bilge pump to circulate iced water through a heater core, then use 12V fans to blow air through that core, which cools the air and pulls out water through condensation.

Advantages: Very compact and portable, lightweight without the ice, no environmentally not-so-friendly chlorofluorocarbons, hydrogenated chlorofluorocarbons, or hydrofluorocarbons, very quiet, and operates off 12VDC, AKA a cigarette lighter. The only disadvantage is that it the ice will melt after 30-60 minutes of operation, depending on the size of your cooler. However, it was built for an EV, so we are only ever out for an hour or two maximum, and the ice lasts longer when it's not running. The third image on this step shows the operation. Have I convinced you to build one yet?

Step 2: Materials

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You can't very well build this without materials to build it with, can you? I have included the prices we paid for them in italics, as well as prices you might pay and places to get them.

Materials:
Ice Chest-free, had it on hand If at all possible, get one with a hinged lid. Free from a storage shed or a dumpster. Or, the Igloo Ice Cube 14 looks like it would work,well, as do the Cool 16 and the MaxCold 24. We used an old 12 quart cooler, and it fit a 7 pound bag of ice.
Heater Core-free, salvaged from a '77 VW Rabbit we're parting out You can find these on eBay for 99 cents to $20, or from an auto store for around 20 bucks, or at an auto salvage yard. Also, I haven't tried it, but Ufixitautoparts sells heater cores for under 5 bucks apiece.
Box Fans and Blade Guards-free, from stock in basement They're sold out of $5 120mm 12VDC fans at All Electronics, but Jameco carries these for $12.95 each. Newegg has a nice assortment, too. Under $10 on eBay.
Bilge Pump-$10.44 for a 500GPH unit at Wal-Mart The Attwood V500 was at our Wal-Mart for $10.44-you can get a similar pump for under $10 on eBay.
Hose-free, had it in stock Ours came from an auto-parts store, but it can be found at hardware and auto-parts stores for a dollar or so for a few feet.
12V plug-free, chopped off a car accessory Cut one off an old phone charger or other device, or $5 at Radio Shack, or $3.75 at All Electronics.
Caulking-free, from the stock in the shop Can be found near the bilge pump, or from a hardware store. A couple bucks.
Piano hinge (depending on cooler)-free, in stock Only necessary if your cooler isn't hinged. A couple bucks at the hardware store.
Inner tube piece (optional)-free, blown tube You may or may not need this-see step 7. If you do, use a blown one, or another piece of rubber, or come up with a substitute. You did save the last blown tube for future projects, didn't you? A couple bucks, tops.
Assorted wire, wire nuts, and screws-free, in stock Depends on what you have in stock and where you get it. It's all at the hardware store, too.
Ice-free, freezer's ice maker If you need me to tell you where to get ice, you shouldn't be doing this project.

Tools:
Screwdrivers
Drill
Cutting devices

Obligatory safety spiel: Cutting devices cut. Don't cut yourself on them. Drills drill. Don't drill a hole in yourself, my dad says it hurt when he did it once. Screwdrivers don't really do anything, but don't throw them into running jet turbine engines. 12V doesn't do much, but watch out. Oh, and wear safety glasses while you're at it.

Step 3: Mark and Cut Holes

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An ice chest/cooler has a double lid with a cavity. This is convenient because we can cut separate holes for the fan and heater core.

On the underside of the lid, mark the outline of the heater core, then go in about a quarter inch and cut out a rectangular hole through ONLY the first layer. This will allow airflow through the core, but still make it easy to attach.

Next, you will need to mark the inside of the fans and cut out two circular holes. We originally planned to use a hole saw to cut the holes, but found that we didn't have a bit that big, so we chucked a saw blade into the Dremel Rotary tool and zipped it out, of course wearing safety glasses (hint hint).

Tada! You now have a rectangle on the inside and two circles on the outside. Now that you cut out these lovely holes, lets fill them in.

Step 4: Attach Heater Core and Fans

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The next step is to attach the fans. This is fairly straightforward--simply drill a small pilot hole at each corner of each fan, and put a small screw through the bottom hole into the plastic lid. Don't block the top hole if you want to add a fan guard later.

To attach the heater core, we used silicone caulk. A bead all the way around seals the lid and provides plenty of bonding force to hold the heater core in place. Make sure to get the core centered, straight, and with the nozzles pointing in. If your lid is hinged, you will want to do a test fit before attaching the core to ensure that the nozzles clear the edges. If your lid is not hinged, it may be easier to attach it first. We ended up cutting the output off to make it fit better.

Step 5: Attach the Bilge Pump

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The ArcticAir unit just leaves their bilge pump just dangling from the hose, but we wanted it to be more secure. The pump has a twist-off base, so we twisted it off and Gorilla Glued it to the bottom of the cooler. Make sure that it is angled so that you can easily run a hose from the pump output to the heater core input. We attached the base directly to the bottom of the cooler, which works fine, but we probably should have put some spacers in to increase water flow underneath. Also, the picture just shows where it goes. We haven't attached that hose yet, so ignore it.

Step 6: Attach the Lid (Optional)

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If you used a cooler with a hinged lid, skip this step. Otherwise, read on.

By hinging the lid, it makes it easier to open for loading ice and letting air flow in during operation. It also prevents the lid from sliding off and dribbling water out of the heater core while driving. You can use whatever you want for a hinge-a rubber strip glued on, a couple of cabinet hinges, whatever. We used a piano-type hinge that we found in our stockpile of random stuff. It goes all the way across the back, and allows the lid to flip all the way back, but still close completely.

Step 7: Plumbing and Fan Guards

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This is fairly straightforward. Connect a hose from the output of the bilge pump to the input of the heater core. In most cases, it doesn't matter which nozzle is used as the input. We just let the output dribble back in, but if the noise bothers you, you could attach a hose to the output. This would also be used as a drain hose.

We also attached a piece of bicycle inner tube rubber to catch water that drips from the output and that condensates on the core. It was cut to fit around the back edge and a couple inches up he sides, and secured with a mega-rubber band we found. This may be unnecessary if you attach a hose to the output, or if your heater core is configured differently.

This would also be a good time to attach wire fan guards to the fans. Just put some screws through the guards into the top holes.

Step 8: Wiring

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It would be difficult to make the make the wiring for a project easier than this. There should be a red and a black wire coming from each fan, the bilge pump, and the 12V plug. Use wire nuts to attach them all together, and make sure the pump and fans are going the right directions. The fans should be blowing out, and the pump should be pumping through the hose. After everything is moving correctly, you can solder the wires together, or put a switch in the power cord. We also used small zip ties to hold the wires together and to the fan.

Step 9: Operation

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Pretty easy, really. Dump in enough ice to fill the cooler about 3/4 of the way, pour in about a half-gallon of water (thats two liters for the smart people) so that the bilge pump can work, and plug it in! And flip the switch if you installed one. Make sure that you open the lid slightly for return airflow. We found that flipping the handle over to prop up the lid provides plenty of airflow without letting the ice get too warm.

If everything is hooked up right, the pump should be humming away, and the fans should be blowing. The water is chilled enough to cool the air within a few seconds. You can put this in your car with the dead A/C (note: this will cool pickups and small cars. Don't bother on your Ford Excursion), you can hook it up to a wall outlet through a 12V battery charger, or you can clip it onto a small 12V gel cell.

Step 10: Test Results

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We took the unit out to the truck for a test run when it was well over 90 degrees Fahrenheit (mid to high 30s for Celsius people). My dad set it in the truck and plugged it in, then went back to the house to get a camera. By the time he returned to the truck, the air inside had already dropped below 80, and the air was much drier, making it also feel much cooler.

I attached a PDF of JPEG of a scan of a notecard that my dad took notes on. What it basically says is the following: When the unit was started, the air in the cab was 95 degrees, parked in the shade after a morning of sun,and the outside heat index was 108 degrees. Within five minutes the cab had cooled to 75 degrees, and the air output was 65 degrees. With two quarts of water that had been refrigerated and 8 pounds of ice cubes, the ice had melted after 40 minutes, leaving 50 degree water, with an output of 65 degree air.

In other words, it works! And it works great! On Sunday, August 12 we brought it to Kansas City for a monthly meeting of our electric auto group. WE met in a small meeting room of a library, and ran the air conditioner off a small 12V battery on a table. Many of the members were impressed that they could feel the room getting cooler, and many tried to buy it from us on the spot. We are also in correspondence with an EV owner from Alabama who is eagerly awaiting the publication of this Instructable (I hope). If you're reading this, you know who you are, and I hope you like it.
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Step 11: Possible Modification and Other Notes

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We have some ideas for further modification that we may or may not implement. For starters, we will probably connect a hose to the heater core output. This will eliminate the burbling, trickling sound that is hard on one's bladder, as well as make it easier to drain. The ArcticAir units have a valve inside that you turn to redirect the output to an external hose so that you can drain the cooler out the window onto the flight line without wrestling it through the door. Another option would be a drain plug on the bottom, which is already on many models of coolers. We also are considering a vent system, so that the lid could remain closed while still allowing air to circulate. The ArcticAir units have a louver vent on one side for this purpose. A third modification would be some way to redirect the airflow. ArcticAir units have adjustable flaps over the fans, which could work, or some have a duct hose assembly to redirect the airflow where it is needed. A fourth, and painfully obvious, step would be to enclose all the wiring inside the lid or in a project box to make it look neater. However, for the time being, the zip ties are plenty for us. Also, we may try using Blue Ice-type ice packs, so that it would be reusable and not waste water.

This being a Go Green contest, I should put in a spiel about why you would bother with this. The main purpose is to make it more comfortable to drive a zero-emissions electric truck in Kansas in August. This runs off any 12V power source that can shove out 3 amps, so it can be used in other areas that need cooled, such as a hot workshop. Also, the ice lasts for hours when it's not running, and you can leave it on while you run into the store. The only disadvantage is that you could say it wastes water in the form of ice, but you can empty it out on your garden or lawn. It uses only ice water for cooling, which is about as non-toxic and environmentally friendly as you can get, and it kept a hose, a cooler, and a heater core out of a landfill. In other words, it uses environmentally friendly power to run environmentally friendly coolant through recycled parts in a zero-emissions vehicle. Can you get greener than that? I mean, this is #008000 at its best! Just make sure to recycle batteries.

Thank you for reading!

Step 12: Tales from the Comments

9 April 2010: I'm adding this step to address some of the comment subjects of the comments...with 384 comments and counting, it's not nearly as easy to just read through them.

Dry ice instead of water ice

First, a clarification: water ice isn't 32°F, it's whatever the temperature of the freezer is, anything below 32degF...just like how the steel on your car can be 10°F on a cold day, or 100°F on a hot day. Dry ice can be any temperature below -109°F. Since it is much colder, id would theoretically put out colder air. The two main problems with this idea are:
1) Dry ice has a lower specific heat capacity than water ice, so while it is colder, it won't last as long.
2) Dry ice sublimates to CO2, which, in a confined space, will at best impair judgment, and at worst cause loss of consciousness. Driving a car requires being alert. I highly discourage using dry ice.


Peltier Junctions

Seems like a good idea, I know--add 12V and that little plate gets frosty cold. But you have to consider the net movement of heat. All that a peltier does is create a heat differential...a difference in temperature between the two sides. It does this by moving the heat from one side to the other. If you put a peltier inside the car, it won't cool anything down, because the same amount of heat that is removed to make one side cool is released on the other side right back into the car. The only way this could possibly work is if it was mounted so that the heat was released outside the car.

Isn't this just a swamp cooler?

Uhhhhhhhhhh....NO. A swamp cooler works by blowing air over wet stuff (straw, wool, air, you name it), which evaporates the water. Since evaporation is an endothermic process (splash alcohol on your hand and feel how much it cools as it evaporates), the air is cooled down---BUT is also wet and full of all the water that just evaporated, making it only suitable for places that are hot and dry. This air conditioner is simple heat transfer--heat is transferred out of the air into the ice water. Since the ice water is cold, vapor in the air condenses on the coils, so it actually pulls water out...making it much more suitable for humid Kansas summers.


Ye salty sea dog!

Using salt water or alcohol to lower the freezing point, so it will be colder...not really. The temperature is determined by how cold your freezer is. Oh, and salt water is corrosive and will OM NOM NOM your heater core.

Liquid Nitrogen

Er...for the same cost, you could buy a new car...which has air conditioning...and doesn't involve frostbite...

Let's take this Outinside

Remember the energy flow. If you freeze the ice in your own freezer, all the heat that is pulled out of the ice, and then some, is released into your house from the coils in the back of the freezer. You could use this to cool that hot bedroom, but the house as a whole will be warmed.

OH NOEZ T3H POLAR BEARS

Yeah, yeah, it takes energy to freeze water, yada yada yada. If you can't handle your freezer running a bit extra, then quit whining and roll down the window.

Using the existing core

Yes, you can hook it up to run cold water through the original heater core so it blows through the original ducts. The whole point of this was to be portable, though. If you want a more permanent installation, have at it.

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rbfe4ch476 years ago
hey there cameronss, love the idea. in fact had to go out and build one myself. i made a couple of modifications to it. i put a vented drain cap on the top and put the fans so they blow on the heater core. the warm air then is blown over the cold heater core thru the chest and out the vent. i also added a little on/off switch to it. i fly on helicopters and it gets mighty hot sometimes, this was the perfect little idea to cool off with. thanks for the idea.
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I was wondering about doing the same thing you are would it be better to blow into the heater core or is that just a theory cause id like to know i want to build a good one for my shop. also i considered using dry ice on those extra hot days to keep the water even cooler. we have a fridge in the shop so ice could keep coming and keep it cool all day. i might need 3 or 4 of these though its like 800 square feet. let me know what you think.
ksan1 03CR2507 months ago

Dry Ice Dangerous!!! pls dont use for home DIY air condition....

http://dryicenetwork.com/dry-ice-safety/why-is-dry...

have you ever heard of punctuation you know the periods commas and capital letters it makes you look so much more legit litter you know able to read and write

xvitox 03CR2506 years ago
ummm dry ice= bad idea for anything like this...it wont work and if you seal up the area, as in to keep it cool inside, you fill the room with CO_2_ which brings about a very drowsy feeling. I know cuz that happened when I purchased Dry Ice one day and got stuck in traffic...and me and my girlfriend had the windows up. And it felt really good but we started getting sleepy.
CameronSS (author)  03CR2506 years ago
You cannot cool your shop using ice that is frozen inside the shop. Ice is water that has had enough heat energy removed for it to solidify. If it is frozen in a freezer, all of the heat energy that is removed (and then some) is dispersed from the coils on the back of the freezer. Since all of the heat is being dispersed back into the shop air, you won't cool anything. Since your shop is stationary, you might as well just get a cheap window unit. It will blow cold air, but all the removed heat will be blown outside, and you won't have to replace ice and water.
it is actually better to blow into the heater core. the fans are more efficient for blowing. i made another one for a guy that worked better when i used a flexible pipe for a dryer. i added another fan to that so that two fans would blow on the heater fan and the added fan would suck that air thru the dryer vent. the dryer vent allows the person to be able to direct the air to whereever you would like. if interested, i could send you some pics of this one. the are a blast to make and if you have a dremel, that will make life easy. thanks for the comment.
CameronSS (author)  rbfe4ch476 years ago
Don't let the FAA see it, they'd probably yell at you for it not being TSO'ed. ;-)

I'm glad to see that another person built one, and even more so because it's in the application that KoolerAire was trying to gyp $500 for.

My air conditioner is in a helicopter! Yay!
in chinook helicopters we have a system that cools water, then pumps it through little tubes in a vest that we wear to cool you down. it works well in an aviation application where you will be sitting not moving for a very long time with lots of ambient air blowing all around.
awawawaw7 years ago
Woohoo! I just bought my ice chest to start mine and have the fan mounted so far. My first one will be cooling my 86 Accord for the 95+ days in Sac, CA. The second will be a gift for my father-in-law for his almost completely restored 1969 Nova. Target has a really nice cooler that has a "compartment" in the top for cell phones, keys, etc. This compartment works perfect for a 4.5" muffin fan. When mine is complete, it will still look like an off the shelf cooler. Go to target.com and search for "Igloo Ice Cube 14-qt. Cooler ". Hopefully mine will be completed in a week or so. (wish I had it today.... 101 forecast!!!)
Just went to check something on my ice chest and it looks like Target.com doesn't have it anymore. The one that comes up as the Igloo Ice Cube is 17" cubed. Mine is only about 12" cubed. It looks the same though........ I put all my parts together and ran a test. With 4 cups of ice and about a gallon of water, the air coming out was 58 degrees. As soon as I finish modifying the heater core (soldering on elbows) I'll post pictures and maybe an instructable.
CameronSS (author)  awawawaw7 years ago
Picture! Picture!
Still prototyping, but here is an idea. Ford Escort Heater Core: new at Kragens for $40, shown with the ends cut short and elbows soldered on Attwood T-500 Bilge Pump: $17 at Walmart ComAir Muffin Fan, 12V, 102CFM, Free from the garage Igloo Ice Cube 14qt ice chest: $15 at Target Heater hose: free (going to change to vinyl tubing for flexibility) Rocker switches: free from garage, one for pump, one for fan AC Adapter for Testing, 12V, 4.5Amp: from the workbench So I am into this for $72 so far, but I am buying most items new . Hoping to finish by the weekend.............
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DavidM1127 days ago

I am in the process of building this cooler-- so far so good. I am using 2 120mm cooling fans but they have very small caliber wiring that uses a 3-pin connector. How do I connect those to my bare wire bilge pump and my cigarette lighter plug power source. Thanks.

hey guys here is blog on how to build an A.C. stepwise explained. it is low cost and free of danger. http://blogforeverythingyouwant.blogspot.com/

isaacpr75 months ago

I just ordered all of the materials for this project. I have read about both methods of placing the fans. Can anyone tell me as to which method actually works best? Blowing air out of the cooler or sucking air from outside?

I just got all my materials for this, too, and was wondering the same thing. I think I'm going to put a dryer vent on the top that can twist in either direction and have the fans pulling in air from the outside. It seems like there would be less evaporation to ware out the fans this way. Let me know what you ended up doing, please! I'm curious :)

myr19 months ago

This does work but why not simplify it, 2 holes, 1 fan, and just a cooler full of ice works 100% the same.

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kschmidt21 year ago

So I'm going to make one of these for two reasons, one because my room has a lot of computers and electronics in it and it's on the west side of the house so it gets stinking hot in summer (Down here in Australia the sucks) and also because the aircon in my car is broken and I'm too cheap to get it fixed. My question is, wouldn't you be able to put the heater core and the fans outside the esky (Cooler to you guys) with the hoses running in, that way having the unit where the water is completely sealed? I'm clumsy and I don't want water going all though my room, also the road where I live is rough and my ute has really hard suspension so the ride is shocking (No Pun intended) Just a thought, it should work right?

another thought, you could use a blower fan that cars used to push the air, it'll move a lot more air and cool the place down quicker

Ricopico1 year ago

Desert coolers is what they are called in some parts of the world

Joefer1 year ago

Quick Question:

Would it matter if we use a container other than an ice box? I mean we are venting out air at a fairly quick pace. I don't mind portability as I am planning to use it in a room. Pls do reply,

rbfe4ch471 year ago
PLASTICBALDY, DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS ENGLISH 101. I did this as an instructable, something to do on my own, if you don't like the "English" then don't read it.

I think plasticbaldy was referring to some other person's comment. Don't worry mate, I find your English perfect! So is your project

casemill1 year ago

Um, you are using fans and coolant. Wouldn't it be more efficient to just use a refrigeration system? Instead of buying ice, which takes a lot of energy to make, you could use a normal refrigerant based unit. That way, you never have to replace the coolant. You know, a fan, a condenser, a heat exchanger, etc... Seems like you are doing something here that uses the same amount of energy to cool air as other things that cool air way more efficiently.

If you're going to do that, then you may as well buy an aftermarket cooling unit and have it installed in your vehicle. Not exactly portable though - can't take it from one vehicle to another (or use it in your plane or copter or tent for that matter).

kevino421 year ago

I think it's a little unfair to say it's cheap, when you have half the products "on-hand/used" but I will build this and you did give me an idea. I'm sure someone in my large family might have some of the parts to make this an easy build.

Upir1 year ago

Would it be worth while to build this into something like a zeer pot
refrigerator thing? You mentioned that the air was drier in the truck
after running a bit, and since the zeer pot functions on evaporation
concept, I was wondering if that would help the ice to last longer and
the whole thing cool longer?

Upir1 year ago

Would it be worth while to build this into something like a zeer pot refrigerator thing? You mentioned that the air was drier in the truck after running a bit, and since the zeer pot functions on evaporation concept, I was wondering if that would help the ice to last longer and the whole thing cool longer?

tom_fl1 year ago
hey i know this is quite late, but how do you even get air for the vent to work? isnt it building up a vacuum inside the box with no holes for air?

tom_fl... please re-read the instructable. It states you need to leave the top open a litle to vent (the author said he flipped back the handle and that worked fine) I made this unit once for fun out of scrap parts and I drilled a 1 inch hole close to the top on the side of the cooler and was able to cover it with some plastic mesh and glue to allow air in and keep critters out and keep the lid closed! Worked great!

johnann871 year ago

Here is a use for this super cool idea that few people will have .... my father (78 years young) has a 1964 Combine he uses every year around July. He is harvesting fescue seeds. Combines are VERY expensive and it doesn't make sense to purchase a new one for the small amount of harvest that he has. There is no AC in this huge machine and there is only one large window. This is the perfect solution! Thank you from a eighth generation farmer!

michelhb1 year ago

This is a pretty cool idea. I have a couple of suggestions. The first is you could use Blue Ice blocks instead of ice cubes. Get ones that will fit inside the cooler and have enough so one set can be freezing while the other is in use. The second is those cheap floor vent deflectors to direct the air more horizontally. You could screw a couple of pieces of flat steel onto the lid at each end of the fans and use the magnets on the deflector to attach it to the steel.

IamTheMomo1 year ago

I live in hurricane country, and freezing salt water in gallon jugs keeps my coolers nice and frosty for a long, long time. I don't have the mess of melting ice from the store, either, and of course, it is completely recyclable! When it thaws, just freeze it again! I'd love to have one of these cooler units like yours (if I could get hubby to build it - I'm disabled and can't do it) to use overnight in one bedroom when we have a hurricane and lose power for a week.

tazz17817 years ago
While its a great project, its not all that green. For example, where does the ice come from? A machine that produces heat to make Ice and uses harmfull gases to do so. So, for the continued cost of the ice, whether buying it daily or having your ice box run more so you can provide your own ice, your really not saving any money or the enviroment.
My "ice box" runs more? How much more would that be?

And agritzmacher has a point - how do you think electric cars are charged?

The raw materials and manufacture of Prius batteries requires 10,000 miles of transport, literally across the world: http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/car-driving/9345/A-Prius-Causes-More-Pollution-than-a-Hummer

Virtually all CFL bulbs - which we will be required to buy soon - are made in Chinese factories, fueled by "dirty" coal power plants. And they contain mercury, which, if the bulb breaks, requires approximately 6 types of tools and materials, and 14 steps (including cutting out a section of your carpet, if that's where it broke) - depending on who you ask.
CameronSS (author)  lloydrmc3 years ago
Point 1: Do your research. Power from a coal power plant is cleaner than power from a gasoline engine.

Point 2: A CFL typically contains 4mg-5mg of mercury. The energy saved compared to an incandescent translates to something like 15mg-20mg less mercury vapor at a coal power plant.

Point 3: I made it to Level 2, I guess.
Do YOUR research!
Point 1: Power plants in China (where virtually all CFLs come from) are NOT in any way shape manner or form: "cleaner than power from a gasoline engine". They have no scrubbers or any other type of pollution control whatsoever! In some Chinese cities, the smoke from power plants and other pollution literally makes it difficult to see for any distance, even at midday. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070709-china-pollution.html

Point 2: Try actually reading my comment. My comment was NOT about the impact of mercury on the environment in general but rather what a nightmare it is to have to clean up after a mishap with a CFL that we are going to soon be FORCED BY LAW to purchase, e.g.: http://www.maine.gov/dep/rwm/homeowner/cflreport/appendixe.pdf

Have you ever actually used a high-lumen CFL (such as a replacement for the soon-to-be-outlawed 100W Edison bulb)? It is recommended that they only be used in applications where they will be on for at least ten minutes, because it takes 5+ minutes for them to reach rated output

During the height of steel production in the greater Pittsburg, PA area, white-collar workers took a spare white shirt to change into as the air was so thick with coal smoke and ash that it soon turned black. China is now in some areas that bad. So yes, you are correct.

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