Introduction: Portable Hot Tub

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Hot tubs are expensive, bulky, and usually out of the question if you rent. I made this flat-packed portable hot tub using plywood, ratchet straps, a waterproof vinyl liner, and some lightweight heating and pumping equipment.

The tub consists of 6 panels in a hexagon configuration that slot together, friction-fit brackets on the top of each panel, ledges that friction fit to the brackets and panel tops, and of course a ladder.

The pump and heating setup uses a portable on-demand liquid propane water heater, an electric water pump, a 12V battery, an in-line hot pool filling filter, and garden hoses.

The pump equipment is fixed to a cart on pneumatic wheels that holds all the hot-tub parts and moves around like a dolly. The whole thing weighs about 200 LB.

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Step 1: Design

Flat pack design has seen rapid development since the advent of the CNC machine as a more accessible fabrication tool. The ZETA Flatpack Lamp by ZPStudio is a great example of a complex 3D object made from a series of flat parts.

If you're not used to working in 3D, designing a complex object this way can seem like a daunting task. But as you'll see in the Youtube tutorial, it's actually pretty simple. The key is to design the overall form of the object first using flat panels with the correct thickness and allowable sizes (anything that will fit on a 4X8 sheet of plywood), then create the slot joints that create the structure. As long as you pay careful attention to how the thing will be assembled, you'll end up with reliable results after a few failures.

As my art teacher wife always says, materials don't lie. The best way to learn to make this kind of thing is to try and fail several times. When you've spent time and money on something that doesn't work, that lesson will stick in your brain for life.

As with any design, it's important to sketch out the crucial details as early as possible. The example from my sketchbook shows my early thoughts on how the panels would fit together (slot joints with ratchet straps). The act of sketching can be called "thinking out loud" to quote Frank Ghery. When you sketch, you start to understand problems in a way that are practically impossible to work out in your head. A quick sketch is exponentially faster than working out most problems in the computer, so it's good practice to have a sketchbook as a constant companion while you're working in the computer.

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Step 2: Scale Model

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Any time you're going to build something big and complex, it is absolutely essential to build a scale model first. I found some 1/8" plywood and threw it on the laser cutter in order to test my idea.

To scale a model, you take the thickness of the material you designed the project for (.72" in this case) and scale the line drawing output down by the appropriate factor. With a ratio of .72" to .125", I ended up with about a 6.25% size scale model. The crucial thing here is to make sure the size to thickness relationship is accurate.

This is an important step in this case for 2 main reasons:

  1. The slot joints needs to be tested for easy fitting. If the scale is correct, you will quickly see whether your model has the correct dimensions and tolerances.
  2. I needed to get a sense of whether the structure would withstand the force of the water. It's been a while since I took physics in college, but I had the impression that most of the pressure would be in the down vector due to gravity on the massive amount of water (500+ gallons, meaning over 4,000LB). To be sure, I wanted to test out whether there was any noticeable pressure on the panels.

The test was a success: the slot joints fit perfectly and the water didn't seem to put any noticeable strain on the panels.

I know this can't possibly be an accurate test for actual structural stability at full scale. For one, scale of the wood fibers in the 1/8" and 3/4" plywood remains the same, presumably making the scale model much less rigid than the large one. I also have no idea whether water pressure is directly proportional by volume, what the relationship between a garbage bag and the nylon waterproof membrane I used at the large scale was, what the tensile strength relationship between twine and ratchet straps were, etc.

In any case, I got an intuitive feel for how it would work with water and felt satisfied to scale it up and give it a try.

Step 3: Components: Water & Heat

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There are a lot of things to consider when making a hot tub. You have to get the water into the tub, you have to heat the water initially and keep it hot, and you have to keep the water clean. When the tub's going to be portable, the pump, water heater, and filtration system have to be lightweight and compact.

WATER HEATER

The only portable hot tub I could find was an inflatable one that used an electric heater. Having worked in architecture for many years, I know that electric on-demand water heaters draw an extreme amount of power to make the water hot. Wanting this tub to be truly portable, electric was obviously out of the question- no amount of car batteries would do this job efficiently.

The best option seemed to be liquid propane. You can buy the tanks at lots of different places,the fuel is cheap, and the heaters are compact.

Ecotemp L5: $118

Propane Tank: $39 ($20 refund on returned tank)

WATER PUMP

Knowing which water heater I was going to use, the literature told me that 20-80 PSI water pressure was ideal and that the water flow was 1.5 GPM at maximum output. I figured a 12V water pump that outputs 55 PSI at 3 GPM would provide sufficient pressure, and that it would be easy to find a 12V marine grade battery to run the pump.

SHURflo 4008-101-E65 3.0 Revolution Water Pump: $54

FILTRATION

It seems to me there are two kinds of filtering are necessary: particles and germs. To keep particles from getting into the pump / heater system, I used a twist-on pipe strainer. In the sequence of things, this comes before the filter.

For germs, fungus, and whatever other gross stuff you can't see, I went with a variation on Nature's Hot Tub Treatment's solution. It involves using an in-line tub filling filter and natural enzyme chlorine alternative treatment. Not having the robust pump/filter system that most hot tubs have, I decided to keep the in-line filling filter as a constant fixture in the process, then to add the enzymes later if I decided to let the water sit for any long period of time.

I know this isn't the proper way to keep a hot tub clean and that the filling filter will need to be changed out frequently if this tub is intended to have standing water in it for any long period of time. But the tub is portable, so I don't expect water to sit in it for more than a weekend. Wasteful, I know, but it's a prototype- cut me some slack!

Enzyme Water Treatment Solution: $69

Prefresh Water Filter: $29

Shurflo Pipe Strainer: $8

BATTERY

I needed a 12V rechargeable battery to run the pump, and I knew a marine grade battery would be a good choice since there will inevitably be some dripping and spraying any time you're working with water connections.

Odyssey PC680-P Battery: $101

LINER

For the liner, I tried to find the most lightweight material I could find that's also waterproof. Durability is important too, because it rubs against plywood edges and whatever's on the ground all the time.

The size here is also important- you need at least 14' in the longest run of the vinyl. I found a cheap solution that's 16'X20'- more than enough.

Vinyl Tarp 9 oz. Heavy Duty Black / White Waterproof (16' x 20'): $32

INSULATION

Hot tubs are always insulated for obvious reasons- usually it's a massive spray foam job on the inside of the molded plastic shell. High R value insulation is bulky be definition, so I needed the best option that wouldn't take up too much space. Heat travels 3 different ways: conduction, convention, and radiation. Managing conduction and convection requires mass, there's really no (affordable) way around it.

I found some cheap bubble rap / reflective foil insulation that would at least take care of the heat loss by radiation with 96% efficiency. This insulation is used for both the panels (stapled on with a staple gun) and for a taped-together cover that clips onto the ledge at the top of the tub, keeping the heat in while it fills.

Reflectix BP24025 24-Inch by 25-Feet Bubble Pack Insulation: $23

MISCELANEOUS

I also got a bunch of garden hose fittings, 1/2" NPT fittings, adaptors, water lines, and so-on to make sure I could connect everything and get water through the system. And teflon tape- always have teflon tape!

Step 4: Components: Hardware, Plywood, Etc.

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The project is made with 3/4" CDX plywood. The build takes 4 sheets at 4'X8'.

3/4" CDX Plywood: $24 / Sheet

I used 3 ratchet straps to keep the plywood together. I'm honestly not even sure if this is at all necessary to keep the water from blowing out the corner connections, but it does a great job of keeping the whole build rigid, and anyway- better safe than sorry. It's important to get a ratchet strap that's an infinite loop- there are eyelets in the panels that keep the straps in place, so hooks won't work with this design.

1" X 20' Ratchet Strap: $7

I wanted the custom cart to be as versatile as possible, so I splurged on some pneumatic wheels. These rolled around without any trouble on sand, and took bumps on the way up and down small flights of steps. I used a 5/8" threaded rod for an axle, along with some washers and locknuts.

10" AIR Tires Wheels 5/8": $19 / pair

The only screws needed for the whole project are the ones keeping the cart together. A handful of 1" wood screws will do the trick here.

The grand total (without the propane tank refund) came to $632- a small price to pay for a hot tub that you can take to the lake in your station wagon!

Step 5: Testing the Water System

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Once I had all the parts, I assembled everything to be sure it all worked as planned. The first image on this step is a diagram showing the sequence, and the second image has all of the main parts labeled.

  1. The water input goes through a 2-way splitter, that way you switch off the cold water source (lake, river, hose bib, whatever) and recirculate the warm water from the tub.
  2. The 2-way splitter is connected to the tub filler filter.
  3. The filter is connected to the pump which is on 12V battery power.
  4. The pump is connected to the water heater's input.
  5. The Water heater is connected to the propane tank, and outputs hot water to the tub.
  6. The tub has a recirculation hose that can be switched to the water heater input once the tub is fuel, to keep the temperature up.

With this setup, I tested the pressure, temperature, and speed of the system. It took about 4 minutes to move about 6 gallons of heated water, meaning I could expect about 5 1/2 hours to fill the 500 gallon tub.

The pressure was steady throughout the test, and the water was SCALDING hot with maximum gas an minimum flow of water. This test gave me enough confidence that the tub would work on a large scale.

Step 6: Cutting the Pieces

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IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CNC MACHINE: Go to my Digital Fabrication by Hand instructable and see how easy it is to make the same kinds of projects using paper templates, a hand drill, and a jigsaw. It takes more time and you have to be precise, but it's totally doable even with a project at this scale. Just print out the PDF templates from this step at full scale 48"X96" sheets and follow the lines.

The laser cutter is not the ideal tool for this application. If our Shopbot had been up and running I definitely would have used that. But this did the job for a quick prototype. I try to do most of my projects using tools that anyone can get at a hardware store, but this one was pretty ambitious and I simply didn't have the time to use a jigsaw and hole saws to cut out the complex panels.

With a feed speed of 25 in/min and the power up to 100 on the Metabeam Laser Cutter, it cut through 3/4" CDX plywood almost completely on each pass. There was a small fire here and there (pocket of burning embers I should say), so I had to watch the cuts like a hawk and keep a spray bottle of water handy. Again, not the ideal tool for this material.

Step 7: Moving and Packing

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With all the parts packed on the cart, the whole piece is 42" wide, with a 8 1/2" protrusion encasing the pump and heater. This means it fits in the back of my station wagon whole, missing the wheel wells because of the 8 1/2" protrusion. I strapped the panels to the top for this trip to save space inside the cabin for other stuff.

It rolls around pretty easily as a dolly, and it only takes one ratchet strap to fix the panels to the dolly.

Step 8: Lake Tahoe: Assembling the Parts

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I decided to take the tub up to Lake Tahoe for the first use. The view is amazing at Fallen Leaf Lake, and there's a public beach that allows swimming year round (though oddly enough, no one was swimming in February). I figured there wouldn't be any contamination issues with a new vinyl liner, new equipment, and a few people in the filtered water. It's a swimming lake after all, so I didn't see how it would be any different. Also, there aren't any "NO PORTABLE HOT TUB" signs, so I figured I was in the clear.

I didn't explicitly ask any park rangers about it, because I figured it's better to ask forgiveness than permission for something like this. Why would anyone stick their neck out and sign off on something new that they don't understand?

Here's the assembly process:

PLYWOOD PARTS

After a little sanding and a coat of water based polyurethane, I screwed together the cart and did a couple of dry-fit tests of the brackets. I've done friction fit projects with the same settings before, so there were no unfortunate surprises. Designing the project with .72" material thicknesses and no assembly gaps makes for a nice snug fit on all the parts.

All you need to assembly the tub is a rubber mallet, and it helps to have a second person (but it's not necessary).

  1. The trick is to start with a panel with the "Up" tabs- holding that one in place, you can add the other "Down" panels to its sides, giving you a stable setup to work with. The last piece is the hardest, because it's an "Up" panel hooking into 2 "Down" panels, but it didn't take more than 30 seconds to get it to fit with Mikeasaurus lending a hand.
  2. Once the panels are in place, it's best to lace in the ratchet straps, and tighten the whole perimeter. The fitting is so precise that the ratchets really only serve to keep the tops of the panels aligned.
  3. With the tops of the panels aligned and locked in place, I hammered in the brackets on each top panel, followed by the ledges. All of the components are friction fit, so there's no need for fasteners here.
  4. When I assembled the ladder, I found it compact enough to keep together- no need to repeatedly put this together and take it apart.

All told, it took about 15 minutes to assemble the whole tub! It's incredibly sturdy; you could walk around the top ledge and not worry about anything popping out or breaking.

LINER

With the wooden structure completed, I stuffed in the vinyl liner. This part wasn't very carefully controlled- I basically pulled the liner so that there was enough slack around the edge to let the tub fill up.

Step 9: Lake Tahoe: FAIL

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With the tub set up and the liner in place, I hooked up the pumping / heating system to start filing the tub from the lake. But when I connected the battery and started the water heater, nothing happened!

After some trouble shooting involving priming the hose (maybe it was too high above the water source?), adjusting the water level valve inside the heater, and hooking up the pump to a nearby hose bib, it dawned on me that the elevation might be the problem.

Lake Tahoe is at 6,500 ft. elevation, and I tested the system in San Francisco at seal level. When I got back within cell phone range, a quick google search made it clear that altitude has a serious adverse effect on water pumps and propane heating elements- lower pressure in the atmosphere = lower pressure in the system, which means it simply didn't work. Information that would have been USEFUL TO ME YESTERDAY! There is no better way to learn than through mistakes- I won't be forgetting this lesson any time soon.

Step 10: San Francisco Back Yard: WIN

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With the Tahoe altitude against me, I decided to go back to sea level and set up the tub in a friend's back yard. It's not as scenic, but at least I could pump hot water!

With the plywood parts, ratchet straps, and liner in place, I started the water system. Here are the steps:

  1. The water heater comes with its own propane hose that includes a back flow preventer valve. This is SUPER IMPORTANT! It goes without saying that propane is extremely explosive, and it’s ill advised to use it without manufactured safety features like this. If you’re going to make one of these yourself, you’ll be fine as long as you don’t monkey with the setup recommended by the manufacturer.
  2. Attach the propane hose to the tank and the gan input on the water heater. It’s important to hand-tighten this hose to prevent stripping the threading- this of course would be a serious hazard.
  3. Connect the water hose to the y splitter at the end of the filter, and put the other end in the water source. In the off-grid scenario, you’re just dropping the end of the hose into the lake or river, but in a back yard situation you’re just hooking it up to a hose bib. There is no need to connect the pump to the battery at this point, because the pressure is coming from the hose bib.
  4. The water heater has two valves: gas and water flow. To start this heater, you set the water flow level to MAX and the gas level to HALF. The water will start flowing through the system, after which time you open the valve on the propane tank all the way. With the ignition switch on (it uses D batteries, not included), the water flow starts the igniter clicking, which in turn ignites the gas burner.
  5. With the gas on and the water flowing, the heater will produce hot water until the propane tank runs out or the pressure drops below 19 PSI.

There is an inverse relationship between the heat of the water and the flow rate of the water. With the gas turned up to max and the water turned up to max, the water was lukewarm because the pressure of the hose bib was very high. It's common sense: if the propane element has to heat more water, the heat will be distributed over more volume, so the water will be cooler than the same amount of heat with a low volume.

The trick here is to be patient. Set up the tub in the morning, let it run on low water flow and high heat for 6 hours, and you'll have a nice hot tub by nightfall.

IMPORTANT: The water heater I bought for this project has a tendency to blow out when it's windy. I had to restart it several times throughout the day because of a gust of wind. This could be mitigated by making a baffle around the heater to keep the wind from blowing through the heating element while still allowing it to vent.

It goes without saying that when the flame goes out, the gas keeps flowing, so be careful!

Step 11: Insulating Cover

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Since the tub takes 6 hours to fill at a high temperature, I made a cover out of the foil/bubble wrap insulation used on the side panels. I figured this would help mitigate at least the radiant heat escaping.

This part is pretty simple, you just roll out the insulation, clamp it down, tape it together in sections, and trim it until you've got a cover in the shape of top of the tub. As you'll see later, this proved to be an essential part of the project- it really kept the heat in!

With the cover on and clipped in place, trimmed the liner around the top edge of the tub, giving enough slack so that I could fold it under and tie it down with some rope with a trucker's hitch knot.

With the cover on and the water pumping, it's the waiting game for about 4 1/2 hours.

Step 12: Seating

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For this hot tub, I used some off-the-shelf Ikea stools for seating. The feet seemed a little small, so I sliced a hole in some tennis balls and fitted them to the ends of the legs as feet. These work well for the tub because they're moveable- it's nice to be able to reposition inside the tub to get comfortable.

Step 13: Recirculate the Water

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In the interest of breaking everything down and taking it home on the same night, I upped the water flow throughout the filling to about Medium.

This allowed the tub to fill in about 4 1/2 hours, but the temperature only got up to about 90ºF (32ºC). This is definitely comfortable for a hot tub, but if you turned down the flow to MIN, you could definitely get the temperature up as high as 110ºF (43ºC). FYI, 104ºF (40ºC) is the recommended temperature for a hot tub according to the pros.

Once the tub is full, it's time to recirculate the water to keep it hot and filtering. Here are the steps for recirculation:

  1. Turn the gas regulator on the water heater to MIN, then turn the gas tank off.
  2. Switch the splitter from the cold water input to the recirculating water input. The second (shorter) garden hose goes in the tub and attaches to the other end of the splitter.
  3. Attach the water pump to the 12V battery.
  4. Once the water is pumping, turn the gas regulator to HALF and turn the water flow regulator to MAX. With the igniter switched on and the propane tank valve open, the igniter will start automatically.
  5. Once it's lit, set the gas regulator to MAX and the water flow regulator to MIN for maximum heat.

I haven't tested it, but I suspect that recirculating the water will get the tub even hotter over a long enough period of time. This could be useful if the water source is particularly cold. If the water from the hose bib was about 60ºF and the tub was at 90ºF, then I would assume you could pump in 40ºF water from a cold lake, get that up to 70ºF while filling, then get up to 100ºF with recirculated water in a covered tub. It would take 10 hours, but if you started early in the morning you'd have a treat at the end of the day.

Step 14: Soak Up the Heat

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Using a stool as a step, it's easy to get in and out using the ladder. The height of the rim was perfect for me to prop my arms up on (I'm 6'-1"), but the whole thing could probably stand to be a bit lower to accommodate people of all sized. Maybe 38"-40" tall.

The movable stools make it easy to get comfortable, the ledge makes a great table for a drink, and the pump and heater are very quiet (much quieter than a typical hot tub).

Step 15: Breaking It Down

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  1. Drain the water: There's no drain in the liner (I don't trust myself to make one that doesn't leak), so you have to siphon it out. This is really easy, you just prime the hose by submerging it underwater and moving it around until all the bubbles are gone, then hold your hand over the open end to keep any air from getting in, then put the end on the ground where you want the water to drain. As we all remember from elementary school, if the drain outlet is at a lower elevation than the drain inlet, gravity will do all the work for you. With two hoses, the tub was drained down to about 12" deep within the hour.
  2. Pull out the liner: With the water sufficiently low, I removed the ratchet straps and the panel that was facing downhill. A little tugging, and the water pushes against the open end and drains out. The slight slope of my friend's backyard made this really easy- no water was left to get in the way of folding up the liner.

Now that the liner was trimmed, it had a nice manageable circular profile, which I think is going to make it much easier to install for the next use.

Step 16: Lessons Learned / Improvements

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Lesson #1: Do your research first! Half an hour reading reviews of the products on google would have told me that this wouldn't work at high elevation.

Lesson #2: Propane lasts! After 7 hours straight of running on full, I only went through about 1/2 of a tank. This is definitely the best way to heat the water.

Lesson #3: Make it lighter. The 3/4" plywood + ratchet strap scheme was more than enough to keep the whole piece together. If I were to make a second pass at the design, I would use 5/8" or even 1/2" plywood to cut down the weight. I'm sure it would work just as well with a bit of tweaking, and I might be able to get the weight down to 150 LB in a best case scenario.

Comments

masterURlaser (author)2015-08-13

Wow! This is so cool!

BartholomewH (author)2015-06-14

Awesome assembly project! Extremely detailed instructions! Bravo!

JON-A-TRON (author)2015-06-04

Wbendick, do a google search for "dog bone joints". The trick is to make a semi circle at the end of each right angled joint- this allows the slots to meet at right angles without any extra work. It's what I'd call a tool-specific aesthetic, so if you're not okay with that, I find the best way to get inside-right-angles is to use a large file with one flat side. This makes short work of those pesky filleted corners.

wbendick (author)2015-05-29

The part pdfs look incomplete. I don't see the ladder. Can you post the rest? I'd like to cut this out.

JON-A-TRON (author)wbendick2015-05-29

Right you are! Just updated step 6. Please post what you make!

wbendick (author)JON-A-TRON2015-05-31

I'm having some trouble generating gcode from the pdfs. Could you post the original file you designed the parts in?

JON-A-TRON (author)wbendick2015-06-01

Just added a DXF, a DWG and the "F3D" Fusion 360 file I used to design it. Hopefully these will have everything you need. Are you using a shopbot?

wbendick (author)JON-A-TRON2015-06-03

Thanks for the files! I'm using the CNC router at Ace Monster Toys. http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/CNCRouter It's not a shopbot but I'm not sure what it's called. Since I'll be be cutting it with a bit thicker than a laser beam the inside angles wont be sharp but have a 1/4" radius to them which will interfere with being able to put it together. My plan was to cut the extra material off with a jig saw. Is there a better solution to this problem? I'm new to cnc wood cutting.

HidiousTak (author)2015-06-01

if you ever do this with a simple 42in deep pool for continuous swimming in place, I will be forever grateful.

JON-A-TRON (author)HidiousTak2015-06-01

An aqua-treadmill? I like it!

SomePolishGuy (author)2015-05-23

That is Fantastic!

brookman69 (author)2015-03-03

This is really cool. FYI Water pressure is solely dependent on the height of the column of water, unaffected by volume.

JON-A-TRON (author)brookman692015-03-03

Right. That's what I'm getting at with the difference between this and the inflatable ones. The inflatable ones I've seen have a very short column of water (you basically just lie down in them), because making it taller would increase the pressure on the walls. Thanks for the science!

john.meiers.3 (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-03

You don't basically lie down in them. Sitting straight upright, the water level is nearly neck height.

JON-A-TRON (author)john.meiers.32015-03-03

How hot does the water get? Have you used a thermometer to find out exactly?

my hot tub gets up to 104 deg in summer,in winter only 2 months or less (hollywood ,fla) 103 deg

my sister works at a hot tub store and says 101 to 102 deg is ideal

adding adding a thermal liner on the bottom will help a lot and sides ,plus a thermal cover when not using it or other insulation

on getting in water faster why not a double pump and hose system

I'm with you on the 101º temp, it seems ideal. The test in the video only went up to about 90º, but that's because we rushed the filling time. More water flow = less heat.

bpark1000 (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-13

You can rush the fill, but then recirculate the water through the heater/pump to continue heating things up. Just put both ends of the hose in the tub (shut off pump, cork intake end of hose, move intake into tub, uncork, turn pump on).

JON-A-TRON (author)bpark10002015-03-13

It's actually set up with a Y-splitter with ball valves- makes this much easier!

john.meiers.3 (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-04

Up to 104, which in my opinion, is too hot. Yes, when experimenting with ways to heat it up faster I used a thermocouple and digital readout.

bpark1000 (author)2015-03-03

When you tried to pump water from the lake, how many feet were you trying to raise it? If it was more then 30 feet, the pump would have failed even at sea level. You would have needed to put the pump near the lake for filling. I assume you were using a centrifugal pump, which needs priming. Perhaps this was the reason for failure, and not the elevation?

JON-A-TRON (author)bpark10002015-03-03

The delta between the hose and the top of the hot tub was less that 6 feet. I even tried it with the pump and in and out hoses at the water's edge, still nothing.

bpark1000 (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-07

I maintain something else was wrong with the pump, for only a 6' head. Centrifugal pumps have a reputation of collecting air bubbles in the impeller. One way to clear this is to put the output hose temporarily into a small container, such as a 5 gallon bucket, that has been filled from the lake, then start a siphon from the bucket back to the lake. This will drive air out of the pump and lines. Wait until most of the water has siphoned back, then turn the pump on.

If there is air in the pump, you will hear a water "churning" sound. If so, turn pump off, wait 30 seconds, then turn back on again.

How did you prime the pump?

JON-A-TRON (author)bpark10002015-03-10

we submerged the intake hose completely until all the air was gone and the hose basically sank to the lake floor. Each time we primed the pump this way, we would get a quick spurt from the pump output followed by the weak, hollow siphoning sound with no water pumping through.

bpark1000 (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-12

Your pump isn't primed. I'll bet you will get the same failure in your backyard. (You filled from piped water in your yard, right?) You need to get some water in a 5 gallon bucket, set well above the water source. Get a siphon going backward through the pump back into the water source. The air will be pushed back to the source and escape (you will see bubbles from the hose end, then no bubbles, while the pail is still emptying). Before the pail empties, you turn on the pump. The water should instantly reverse and pour into the pail if there is no air trapped. If it pumps, but is slow, repeat (shut off, wait for the reversal and the expulsion of more air, then turn back on). As soon as you got it rolling, move the hose to the tub, by putting the bucket, with the hose in it, in the tub. The end that goes in the lake should have a debris filter, and the end should not be allowed to touch the lake bottom, so you don't suck up sand.

JON-A-TRON (author)bpark10002015-03-13

I hadn't thought of the bucket trick, maybe that would work- I'll definitely give it a try.

There is a debris filter on the other end of the hose as well as another one in line before the pump, so I at least got that part right! Thanks for the advice, it's much appreciated.

Tenire (author)2015-03-10

My wife and I were just talking about this project tonight. We might try to build it between now and November, in time for the TX Renaissance Festival, to maintain at our camp. I have to ask, though... how many will this thing seat comfortably, and how much water does it hold??

JON-A-TRON (author)Tenire2015-03-10

I'd never heard of the Texas Renaissance festival, it must be a big event being so close to Houston.

Comfortably, you can fit 6 people with plenty of leg room. You could push it to 8, but there would be a lot of unintentional footsy going on.

Tenire (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-11

Yeah, TRF is kind of a big deal. Almost TOO big.

So how much water are we talking about??

JON-A-TRON (author)Tenire2015-03-11

It's about 450-500 gallons full.

violingirl (author)2015-03-02

This could be a dalek hot tub. It looks just like one.

JON-A-TRON (author)violingirl2015-03-02

E-X-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E-!!!

violingirl (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-05

E-X-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E Hot Tubs!!!

P.S. I have just got access to a laser cutter, but I don't think I will be making this any time soon. I only live half a block from the public pool.

JON-A-TRON (author)violingirl2015-03-10

I've got a better one: E-X-F-O-L-I-A-T-E!!!

jessica.owens.359 (author)2015-03-10

Have you tried using salt water with this apparatus? I have a friend who is very interested in salt water-like ocean saltiness for his tub.

I've heard a lot of good things about salt water. It seems like a no-brainer when it comes to killing bacteria and maintaining a healthy pool without corrosive chemicals. Since it's portable, I wonder if I should give it a try with a more robust pump and the ocean as a water source.

InventingJoy (author)2015-03-05

What you've done is fantastic! Kudos to you. Input re altitude. I live in San Diego. Years ago I dragged my boat 75 HP outboard 16 ft open bow Lund, up to Lake Tahoe. I thought I';d give my kids a fabulous time water skiing etc. They were not impressed. The Engine was No Go. It had something to do with altitude. I don't remember exactly how it was solved but what I did learn was that the boat people do engine adjustments affected by the altitude. This seems to be a usual occurance in Tahoe. The boat repair people know a lot about altitude , how it affects pumps, motors etc. So you may want to contact boat repair people in places like Tahoe for information. Good luck & puppy love from InventingJoy & Furry Folk

JON-A-TRON (author)InventingJoy2015-03-06

Thanks for the tip! I was thinking I might want to talk to a pool contractor, but boat repair seems like a great place to start.

InventingJoy (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-06

You are so welcome. I like to think that all these years later something useful finally came out of that aggravating experience! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you & looking forward to the results. Puppy love from Inventing Joy & Furry folk

badideasrus (author)2015-03-04

looking at the thumbnail for this, all i could think of was Dalek. XP

Glad I wasn't the only one!

Me three!

kayakdiver (author)2015-03-03

IMHO, you don't need to worry AT ALL about that battery getting wet. Marine or auto version - even salt water spraying on them takes very little toll. Fresh water is actually good for keeping the battery clean and washing away dirt and any possible acid that may have found its way to the outside. At worst, salt water will corrode your terminals and may provide the slightest discharge path to (ever-so-slowly) drain the battery if a layer of salt is allowed to build up.

One thing I would like to see is designing your panels to be all the same, e.g. left hooks facing down and right hooks facing up, or top and bottom edges having the same features so the identical panels can simply be flipped.

I think I missed how altitude affected your propane system in your video. It seems that should not be a problem. As far as your pump not pulling water up from the lake, I wonder if your tub was just a little too high up on the bank of the lake. 12V water pumps work well within their rated pump height, but it takes VERY little additional height to exceed the capability of a particular pump and reduce its efficiency to zero.

I think you did an absolute fantastic job on this design and the fun and informative Instructable is AWESOME! Thanks!!!

JON-A-TRON (author)kayakdiver2015-03-03

I like the identical panels idea, it would simplify the assembly a bit and make it easier to build if you're cutting the pieces by hand.

I should probably look into the altitude effect a bit more closely. The height difference from the lake edge to the water was no different than the test I did at sea level. We even brought the cart down to the water's edge and tried it there- still nothing.

As far as the propane, I know that there are special propane water heaters and conversion kits for high altitude. I'm not sure if it's atmospheric pressure or oxygen, but they don't perform as well (if at all) at high altitudes without special equipment.

Thanks for the compliments and suggestions!

kayakdiver (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-04

As soon as I hit the Make Comment button, I realized I should have researched the propane issue a little more to be able to make any helpful comment. I was thinking that there should be plenty of pressure in the bottle to get the propane to flow (100 - 200 PSI) but didn't consider the affect that altitude and less available oxygen might have on your pressure regulator and the efficiency of the burner. If there is an adjustable air vent that can be widened to allow more air into the combustion area, that might help. Otherwise, perhaps a higher pressure (0-30 or 0-60 PSI) would be required. Let's get this thing working up on the hill!!!

I am reading on the internet that a pump that can pump 26 feet at sea level will have its capability reduced by approximately 2 feet for every 1000 foot gain in altitude. The article also suggests placing the pump as close to the level of the water source as possible.

I voted for your design for several reasons, not least of which are the effort and creativity of your Instructable, and the awesome bathing attire you two sported. Good luck!

JON-A-TRON (author)kayakdiver2015-03-04

kayakdiver, you're my hero! The truth is, I should have done the research before building the thing, but thanks for doing it for me!

The pressure issue when it comes to propane didn't really make sense to me- wouldn't the pressure inside the bottle essentially be HIGHER at a higher elevation, since the exterior pressure is lower? Weird. The heater I bought doesn't really have adjustments for this that I'm aware of, and honestly I'm scared to break it open and go monkeying around with something that could potentially blow up. Although the danger is probably not so high since there's a back-flow preventer on the propane line.

In any case, I have a feeling I'm not the only one having this problem up there. I should call around and see if there are higher pressure tanks available or conversion kits or what have you.

It seems that a more robust pump might help solve the problem as well, maybe that's my next step on that front.

Thanks so much for the awesome advice and the vote!

kayakdiver (author)JON-A-TRON2015-03-04

I appreciate that, however I usually like to feel like I've been a LOT more help once I have begun "putting in my two cents". I don't think tinkering with the burner would cause it to blow up, so long as you don't allow unburned gas to accumulate. With that said, should you ever find a way to allow propane that is still in a liquid state to contact your skin, it will definitely cause a very serious freeze burn. I know there are solutions to both your problems and I am confident you will find them!

zaston (author)2015-03-04

I agree with john.meiers.3 on the floor-sitting idea.
But I would suggest placing a hexagonally-shaped (or 2x trapezium-shaped) piece(s) of foam block on the floor within the confines of the walls of the hot tub. That well, as well as cutting back on radiation loss through the floor, also provides a not-so-solid floor on which to sit.

I'd say the 2x trapezium-shaped pieces of insulation foam is a better shout, for portability reasons. Ah, I should probably note that I mean the foam blocks that are approximately 4-6" deep.

john.meiers.3 (author)zaston2015-03-04

Surprisingly, sitting on the solid floor isn't nearly as bad as you'd think. Your buoyancy takes most of the weight off, especially if you're all sprawled out like I usually am, heh. The inflatable came with a piece of reflective bubble insulation to put on the ground, I've had mine out on a 8 deg concrete patio and the floor was just as warm as the rest of the tub.

JON-A-TRON (author)john.meiers.32015-03-04

Good point, I'm sure it's quite comfortable and the cut-in-half filling time is definitely appealing. Honestly I would't be that concerned about using rigid foam insulation as a floor. If the weight's evenly distributed (which it obviously is because it's water), I don't think it's very likely anything's going to crush. Even if it does, so what?

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