Rain Barrel Project

 by oddie1212
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This Instructable will be an overview of how to setup your own rain barrels. This may not show 100% step by step since I've found their is a great variation to how you want your rain barrels to work and the setup you use. I will try to point out all the options and variations so you, yes YOU can decide how you want to do your setup. This setup is for using gravity and a pump setup for a later Instructable. The later Instructable will also include how to hook it up to a toilet and setup an additional faucet.

To start, this setup cost me less than $30 dollars to do with free barrels. You can do it for cheaper with one barrel or using other parts. I designed this to be able to be expanded (10 - or maybe more barrels :-D) and to include a pump.

This took me a week to do because I could not decide / find all the right parts but once i got one adding the other took me about an hour to do. I'd suspect that this could be done in a matter of an afternoon with all the parts at hand.
 
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Step 1: Your type of Barrel

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This step will determine what and how you do your next steps.
There are a few types of barrels:

Plastic food barrels (usually pickles or olives come in them)
They have a screw on top and are usually black in color. (see picture 1)
These are also the safest if you are even thinking of using the water to drink out of. The rest should not or use caution actually drinking the water from them. I'll also talk about what I've found with types of roofs that you should be careful of.

Plastic cleaning barrels
They usually contain cleaning products for businesses since they buy them in bulk. Some may or may not wash out after cleaning them out. They usually have a 2" screw off cap or tapable cap and a 2 1/4" screw off cap. (this is the type i will be showing, they can be white, blue or sometimes another color)

Plastic industrial barrels
Usually are a few varieties, but all contain chemicals that are probably not safe for your garden or lawn and especially not safe for drinking. (They look like the barrels I'm using but are can be blue or another color)

Metal barrels
Can have a variety of different goodies in them. They do not make good rain barrels because they easily will rust with water.

Make sure to check with the person you are getting them from if you are unsure of what the contents were.

You're probably also wondering where can I find a barrel or two?!? Now that's the fun part, since every city is different there are some possibilities where you can get them. Usually you can get them for free or relativity nothing.
If you have a food factory near by try them first, they usually have the pickle barrels or some sort of food barrel you could use
The next few places you could try are some smaller industry places that use a lot of cleaner. i got mine from a smaller place that uses cleaner to clean out coloring that is safe on the environment.
Craigs list in some places you can find people selling them from 10 - 100 dollars.
Now if your really getting disparate and you don't care about how much it costs you can do a Google search for them and find them for 75 - 180
If you don't want to have to do the work of creating one you can buy a ready made one also.

If I'm inaccurate in my statements please let me know. I'd like to provide correct information to everyone since it was harder to find for me.
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Stavros! says: Apr 1, 2013. 11:39 AM
If you just want to filter out debris, and not filter the water to improve the quality, try looking up "sand filters." I would suggest putting a support under your tidy cat bucket, fill the bottom with medium size rocks, and over the top of that small rocks. I think you'll need a screen over the drain in the bottom. You'll have to skip the sand part to keep the flow up, but since you're not trying to purify the water, just clean the debris, you don't need the sand part.
j1ceasar says: Aug 31, 2012. 3:46 PM
for a simple pre filter suggest you looki at a pet store at the fish filter mediums - there are many pre filter pads - some with built in holders -s ome just pads as well as carbon activated pads .
LMillerCarver says: Nov 15, 2011. 3:05 PM
An easy way to check water levels when you can't see them would be to plumb some of that clear tubing from the outlet port back up to the top or even into the tubing connecting the two barrels at the 3/4 mark. Seems like only 2 more T fittings, 2 clamps, and a length of the tubing.
fuzvulf says: May 27, 2011. 9:07 PM
Nice, I like your setup. You've given me some useful Ideas and for that I give you Kudos.
greenlivingeco says: May 18, 2011. 10:19 AM
Very nice guide. We created a step-by-step guide on how we installed our rain barrel for those interested in a different way of doing the install. We also have a guide on how to make a rain barrel, which shows a slightly different way to build a rain barrel.
stantheman1955 says: Mar 20, 2011. 11:11 PM
Stan Kuczynski
Hi guy's Just a quick question, I would like to set up my rain barrel system so i can run my filtered water into my washing machine. not sure how the metering system in a washer works. Do you think gravity would work ok or do you think I would need a small sump pump to give it enough pressure to simulate street pressure.40-60 psi.thanks for any ideas other wise love the ideas you all have come up with.
oddie1212 (author) in reply to stantheman1955Mar 21, 2011. 4:16 AM
Depending on the washer, you'll probably need to have some sort of pump or pressurized system. Most of the new low flow front load washers will error out with not enough flow.
You could do this with a small pump as you suggested. If you're looking for a different alternative you could go with a pressure tank and hand pump for an alternative to get the pressure but not use energy.
Not sure how else you could accomplish this at the moment, but if any one else has ideas feel free to chime in.

Good luck on your project!
stantheman1955 in reply to oddie1212Mar 21, 2011. 9:34 AM
Hi Oddie, thank you for your reply and your knowledge, as i stated, I was not knowledgeable about the timing valves and metering system in a washer but now i am just a little more "edge-a-macated" about such things, Thank you!

I have a small pancake compresses that does the brunt of the work for general things like tires, dust abatement brads and staples. It would be nothing to hook up an aux line to a pressure tank and keep it topped off...thats a great idea thanks.
oddie1212 (author) in reply to stantheman1955Mar 21, 2011. 10:25 AM
No problem Stan! I will let you know I'm not versed in everything myself, but I like to tinker or have learned by mistakes. There are plenty of people on the forums who are exceptionally knowledgeable in all these areas that you are seeking. Note: To find the forums, click the forums button at the top right of instructables webpage. The pressure tank I'm actually referring to is like this one http://www.homedepot.com/Plumbing-Pumps-Well-Pumps-Systems-Pressure-Tanks/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbqld/R-100188089/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

As you stated, however, if you can get an entire sealed system (meaning you can pressurize your water holding tank and all the lines to your washing machine) you could use your pancake compressor to pressurize your holding tank to 60 PSI to get water pressure. Never acutally thought about that! I have seen a few others do this.

The only issue would be adding water back into your holding tank. You would have to depressurize your system to allow water in.
stantheman1955 in reply to oddie1212Mar 21, 2011. 1:07 PM
Hi oddie thank you for the additional info thats great. What gave me the idea was at a fire station I was stationed at before I retired we were on well water. The ground pump pressurized the main storage tank and it had a compressor aux to adjust tap pressure. If the tank filled up to much with liquid it lost head pressure to the taps also same happened if it lost to much water. if we washed a lot of trucks we had to manually adjust the water level and head pressure to get the station back to normal. if i use a sump pump the tank pressure should be low enough that i will not have to de- pressurize...... the cool trick will be figuring a way to read pre-determined low water level, execute auto fill to pre- determind full level then have the compressor auto pressurize to maintain 40-60 psi. when I am not using the washer i can just shut the whole thing down till i need it.
1ofakindwork says: May 20, 2010. 3:09 PM
I have clear barrels also,  I plan on painting them like mentioned to help keep down algae, but now I see from reading this I will Run a line of tape from top to bottom before painting so I can see my water level.  Then I can just put this spot close to the house with less light exposure.
oddie1212 (author) in reply to 1ofakindworkMay 20, 2010. 7:33 PM
Sounds good, Thanks for sharing. Others have also ran a clear piece of tubing up the outside to see the water level.
1ofakindwork says: May 20, 2010. 3:11 PM
By running the tape before painting and removing it I will still have a line of clear barrel to view the water level....Figured I better clear up what I was saying...
bubbmx says: Apr 26, 2010. 12:46 PM
Good afternoon,
Really cool project. I have been racking my brain for a filter product.....why don't you try a natural sponge (for car washing,etc); buy something big and cut to fit snuggly inside the kitty bin.
Maybe that will let the water through, and with all those thousands of internal holes; the dirt will get stuck.

Good luck
oddie1212 (author) in reply to bubbmxApr 26, 2010. 1:20 PM
Thank you. :-) let me toss some things back, I'm always up for ideas!

I've tossed around a few things before posting this but i'm currently gutting my house and redoing it so I haven't had time to entertain making this better.

The only problem i see with some type of material like a sponge or something like that is over time it starts to grow stuff from being in the sun, then your barrels get dirty bacteria etc, and your flow rate decreases.
Then my design would have to change to a pre barrel that could be easily cleaned that then goes to your storage.
The other problem is flow rate, if you have a good downpour can you filter that fast or do you simply say oh well I lost some (I was going for the challenge of "I want it all").

But here were some of the things I tossed around let me know if they spawn any ideas
Natural type filter with plants, sand, rocks.
A washable furnace filter (again possible the same problem as above)
A pre trap that some how self cleans then goes to another type of filter
Pressure type of filter system (but then would require solar power or something else to give it pressure)


Let me know your thoughts!

Thanks again!

abadfart says: Jun 14, 2009. 9:57 PM
remember to check water laws in your area
johnfournier77 says: May 12, 2009. 8:05 AM
I'm a homebrewer and have used lots of eco-friendly cleaning agents. I suggest you get some "oxy"-type detergent boosting powder at the grocery store. Basically, these products, when you add them to water, create hydrogen peroxide, which kills microorganisms on contact. When the reaction is done, you're left with just pure water and mineral salts from the minerals that were in the water. It's a very eco-friendly way to sanitize anything. Depending on the strength of the powder you buy, you usually use about 1 T per gallon of water. You only need to make 1 gallon of solution if you swish it around in the bottle a few times. Generally, they dissolve better in warm water.
thetech101 says: Apr 20, 2009. 6:31 PM
Amazon.com has some great pumps for way cheaper than 130 dollars. Like this one for 12.00 dollars:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013KGO24/ref=s9k2a_c1_at4-rfc_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=039RJTZD2CDTWGYD59VR&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383391&pf_rd_i=507846

It flows 132 GPH (just over 2 GPM) which is more than a lot of more expensive pumps available elsewhere.

One good idea is to use a a separate dedicated barrel and use a small pump and small copper pipe to make a floor heating system. You'll need to build a solar thermal hot water heater. On second thought, use an old hot water heater tank and hot water heater wrap to save the hot water during the day. You could easily make the system self contained. If you have the money, put a thermostat on it. Free whole house heating!

Anyway, thanks for posting the Instructable!

Oh, and about the filter. Use PVC, or aluminum if you want to (it'll heat the water), and make a pyramid shape that will fit snugly over the input (caulk it down, obviously) and another larger one for the output pipe. Wrap them in flexible filter material. Fit them snugly into place one over the other and put the pipe over the outer filter (you might want to cut a hole in the top to keep the debris from clogging it up) and viola, easy to clean filter.

Give me a minute and I'll post pics of what I'm talking about.
thetech101 in reply to thetech101Apr 20, 2009. 6:42 PM
Here's the design I made on my computer.
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thetech101 in reply to thetech101Apr 20, 2009. 6:49 PM
On second thought, the outer filter could be made of glass or some similar material to allow light in but still keep heat in. the inner filter could be made of metal and the light would heat it (the bigger the filter the more heat). The heat could kill the bacteria. You could use the cat litter box/pool filter for the output and have a second set of tanks (used hot water heater tanks would be a really good idea) to store the filtered water until you use it. I'll elaborate more later.
pleabargain says: Feb 11, 2009. 4:22 PM
Typo: step 3Deside your setup. Decide! Thanks for posting your experience with the rain barrel set up!
oddie1212 (author) in reply to pleabargainMar 19, 2009. 11:25 AM
Opps! wow that's sad i missed that, Thanks again!
basementsong says: Jan 26, 2009. 1:16 AM
i HAVE SEVERAL IDEAS AND DESIGNS FOR A PRE-FILTER. As well, going a step further, to filter it and neutralizing any possible chemicals e.g. from pollutants in the air etc. or if you have a supplemental system coming from a spring, creek etc. I'm in the process of moving to a piece of land and living as green as possible/practical and would like to have some folk to collaborate with or advise, feedback, input etc. email: larry.burke@gmail.com
oddie1212 (author) in reply to basementsongJan 27, 2009. 7:05 AM
Larry: That'd be great! I'll be emailing you in a bit :) But if you'd like you can also share your ideas here so we can all modify a whole instructable on green living.
basementsong in reply to oddie1212Feb 4, 2009. 9:35 AM
Super! I'll get my drawings together, throw 'em out there and see what you folks think. Everything looks good on paper, but when you begin the process, out in the field, many unseen probs just pop-up. It would be great to have some constructive criticism, as well as advice & other ideas. I would like to eliminate as many of those pitfalls as possible and foreseen, before I start on the construction. Part of the parameter here, for me, is that I'm operating on a 'shoestring' budget, I'm not a young man anymore either. So most of the ideas I present will be using materials I have on hand, or can get by scrounging etc. As well, I am trying to make it as easy as possible on my body. I'd like to enjoy the fruits of my labor when I'm done, and not from a hospital bed. So these pose a different set of challenges for me. However, I had the same problems facing me when I finally conceded that I cannot backpack with 80 lbs. on my back anymore. But in this case, I took advantage of the newer lightweight materials and technology. I've cut it down to 40 lbs. which I can live out of for 3 days without any other supplementation. But with trapping, hunting & foraging etc. it potentially can be indefinite if necessary. This really sounds like a worthwhile project. Thanks for the reply 'oddie', I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Larry
oddie1212 (author) in reply to basementsongFeb 4, 2009. 10:14 AM
No problem Larry, even though I'm a younger guy I'm still on a shoestring budget and usually scrounging for parts or just to make it easier on the pocket book either way as I did with this project.
basementsong says: Jan 26, 2009. 1:26 AM
After reading some of the feedback, seems like there's a lot of wisdom and knowledge for the offing. So here's a request: I am designing a waterless/self-composting toilet. The 'mechanics' are basically worked out, (but would Love to hear any ideas) What I need now, is an effective medium to break down the 'material' into composted soil. I've experimented with 'humus' and some bio-chemicals and the results were negligible. Would like some other specific ideas if anyone has some. Thanks
chrisnotap says: Jan 22, 2009. 7:01 AM
You have done a great job! Your mind is always going and that's fantastic! Keep at it. You are helping to keep pressure off the public water system. I have a rainwater system myself and have 6 barrels all connected, off the ground 3 feet, connected to my toilet, basic filter to keep the crude, leaves, at bay, ball valve to fill watering cans easily for the garden. I want to make a filter this spring, once the freezing winter is over, and it will be a slow sand filter only for the toilet. My problem is tree debris. It turns the water to like a tea colour. I am also working on a wind powered water pump to pump the water to a barrel in my attic so I have more pressure and can connect the mainfloor toilet to it too. As of now, I use the lower washroom for 7 - 8 months and save a lot of water on my bill. I hope to publish my system on the site in the future.
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oddie1212 (author) in reply to chrisnotapJan 22, 2009. 8:31 PM
Thanks chris! That's awsome! hopefully this year i'll have my toilets all hooked up and the system expanded. Here's my suggestion back to you about the tea color. 1. The crude method that i did using gravity and the pool filter as you stated. The thing I'd add is a ( i can't remember the exact term that has been used in my searching around on other people's professional systems) pre-cleaning system. It sounds complicated but its really again quite crude. basically connect your down spout to a 3-6" (depending on amount of gutter length) and in a U shape that's 1.5 times higher than your barrels (or main inlet of your barrels) with a T on the bottom corner away from your barrels that has a clean out plug which the clean out plug will have a 1/4" hole or so (have to experiment yet) that has a hose on it that runs out to the yard. The other end of the U then goes into your barrels / main filter system. What this then does is any bird or animal droppings will go into the U as run off out of the 1/4 hole in the beginning of the rain fall so the longer it rains then the U will fill up then go into your main filter or barrels. I'm sure there is problems with this also but it seems like a nice prefilter. The other thing it does is allows the leaves (if you don't have gutter protectors on your roof) to go in there which can than be cleaned out every now and then. 2. The other way i thought of doing so was taking an additional barrel which would contain an sump pump and act like your sump in the basement. As it rains the water would go first into this additional barrel. When it gets to a level the pump would turn on and pass the water through either a sediment filter or micron filters so the water in your barrels would be "clean" water. The problem i see with this would be again the leaves and gunk would sit on the bottom of the barrel and would be a PAIN to clean out with out adding some sort of bottom drain to let the leaves out plus you'd probably have to use your now collected water to clean it out lol. I'm working on my house sometime this year which I'll add an addition onto my garage and I'm going to get a large farm tank to put in there to house my "clean water" so i can hopefully have enough water all year... How I'm going to do the entire setup... yea a mystery yet haha. Hopefully this helps you in some way or gets you thinking of other ideas. Feel free to share! :-D
chrisnotap in reply to oddie1212Jan 23, 2009. 10:39 AM
Yes, I already have an idea in place that I will be making just like you have described. It's called a "first flush" system. Of the 6 barrels I have, I am going to use one for the first flush. I am going to put a 3" t on top of the first flush barrel just the way a T is in a sentence. Down spout will be connected to the one side of the t. The polluted first run-off water and poop and leaves will come in and drop into the first barrel. When the water gets to the top, there will be a ball lever that will rise and plug the incoming water with the ball. Once it plugs it will now flow across the t and into the next 5 barrels. At the bottom of the first flush barrel about 1 foot up from the bottom I will have a small dia. hose, maybe 1/4" or so. It will always be flowing water as long as it's raining. Once the rain stops falling, this first flush barrel will empty on it's own and since the hose is one foot up from the bottom, leaves shouldn't plug the hose from draining the water. The beauti of this system is that if you don't get a good downpour to flush the leaves and junk off the roof and it just drizzles, the first flush barrel will not fill and plug the hole with the ball and the water will just drain out of the 1/4" hose. If it rains hard, the first flush fills, ball plugs hole and bob's your uncle. My whole thinking in this project is to not use any power at all, all gravity fed or use wind to lift it. If you are having a problem finding a hook up for the toilet so you can switch from city to rain and back ,I have the sweetest setup and you can get it all at home depot. Let me know. Thanks, Chris
chrisnotap says: Jan 22, 2009. 7:09 AM
I have found through trial and error that if you use white plastic containers the water inside will turn green and algea will form because the sunlight is able to get through. Clear plastic tube will do the same. The dark coloured containers I have do not suffer from this. Good system you have, keep experimenting.
oddie1212 (author) in reply to chrisnotapJan 22, 2009. 8:10 PM
Thanks chris, i should probably state that in there as i painted my barrels green... why green i'm not sure but i was a darker color lol
Jawatech says: Sep 13, 2008. 8:32 AM
cool rain barrel project I should have looked at this a few weeks ago so i could catch some of this hurricane weather going on. lol you said "marine caulk"
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oddie1212 (author) in reply to JawatechSep 30, 2008. 5:47 AM
lol I'm in IT not an English Major... that's what the English Majors are for :-D
Jawatech in reply to oddie1212Sep 30, 2008. 8:02 PM
lol
A good name in reply to JawatechSep 27, 2008. 12:20 PM
Hahahahaha... caulk.
fbriggs says: Sep 29, 2008. 6:55 PM
Thanks for all the comments on building a rain barrel setup. I am still deciding on how to arrange my setup. Fbriggs
oddie1212 (author) in reply to fbriggsSep 30, 2008. 5:46 AM
I have actually changed my setup some and I'll post some of the updates. But it won't be till spring when I'll be able to post all of the updates. Stay tuned :-D
mackstann says: Aug 19, 2008. 2:04 PM
Window screen will not keep mosquitos out! You need to specifically buy mosquito netting.
oddie1212 (author) in reply to mackstannAug 20, 2008. 8:53 AM
It should and i have not had a problem. You just have to make sure when you're purchasing the window screen you get the screen rated for mosquitoes.
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