Red Impact - Perfect Duck's K'nex gun.

 by Perfect Duck
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Mid-size, light-weight, sturdy and easy-to-use repeater. I can fire five red rods in a 10-second video. Holds 18.

It fires via weighted impact (typical) and features recoil dampening and minimal-friction loading systems not seen elsewhere. My entrant to any applicable K'nex gun contests.

A few exotic parts were used, firstly a metal spring that fits around a K'nex rod. Also, to make this, you will need to mutilate three dark grey connectors by cutting off their tops (remove half of the circle). Though you could get the spring at any hardware store, you can use rubber bands in its place.
 
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Step 1: -back end- The pile driving shaft.

Essentially, you're just building a sturdy hole through which the firing force of the gun passes through. It doesn't have to be exactly like mine, but what is shown optimizes on strengh and keeping out of the rubber bands' way. If you are a diehard fan of the orange connector type blocking trigger like in KILLERK's, go ahead and incorporate one near the bright-red connectors. I prefer pull-release, it's faster.

On the SPRING - it is extremely effective to use one here. You can get springs like these that wrap around K'nex rods at hardware stores (best bet) or from hobby stores (remote control cars) This is how the power is converted.

GREY ROD + ORANGE CONNECTOR -> BLUE ROD -> RED ROD (Projectile)
(Several rubber bands) (spring-loaded)

Let's save adding the grey rod for last.

Because the blue and red rods together still have less total mass than the grey rod hitting them, their velocity will match whatever speed you can get the grey rod to reach, assuming the laws of physics and transferrence of energy. The spring acts as a shock absorber, preventing any extreme stresses on the K'nex parts and returning to optimal position again.

Yours may need to be tuned differently from mine to keep the blue rod in the perfect place, but you'll understand this better once it's complete.

If you don't want to use a spring, rubber bands (fourth picture) are an alternative, although I've so far not had much luck with them. Loss of strengh.
bboy321321 says: Dec 14, 2012. 3:13 PM
looks cool i'm going to build it.
Capt. Fat says: May 20, 2010. 1:58 PM

lol, this looks almost like the BFG from Doom! all u need now are some knex demons.....

ultimut cat in reply to Capt. FatJun 20, 2012. 5:58 PM
ponyz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
SpeedStrikerXLR in reply to Capt. FatSep 28, 2010. 4:59 PM
lol you are right! BFG9000
James368 says: Jun 8, 2011. 8:39 AM
do you have to use a spring
biky69 says: Apr 21, 2011. 12:09 PM
do you have to have the spring???
awaite says: Jan 3, 2009. 10:54 PM
How far do these knex guns shoot they dont look like they can do much
benfoxg in reply to awaiteFeb 25, 2009. 7:24 PM
they can fire over 1000 feet... with rocket engines glued to the rod. or about 500 without pyromaniacness. (hey I made a new word)
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to benfoxgFeb 25, 2009. 9:00 PM
I wouldn't say they can go 500 feet. Just based on the density of a plastic rod versus the density of the fluid air that it has to push, that's just not going to happen, especially when rods begin to fly sideways after a short while (unless they are fin-stabilized, which guns like the Red Impact are unable to fire, also it brings up the issue of modifying pieces)

Also, the word you're looking for does exist, and is properly spelled Pyromania.
DJ Radio in reply to Perfect DuckMay 3, 2010. 1:26 PM
Slingshots like the SRv2 fire fin rods without modded parts.
thebookworm127 in reply to Perfect DuckJun 4, 2009. 12:24 PM
dude you should get a life, stop drinking soda and you know maybe play a sport or two
Fred the evil puppet in reply to thebookworm127Nov 26, 2011. 11:02 AM
we do what we want to do. i hate sport personally, and im sure DJ and perfect duck and most other epic knexers have hobbies other than sport.
soda is just carbonated water with E-numbers and flavourings, so i cant argue. but it still tastes good!
NYPA in reply to thebookworm127Dec 22, 2009. 5:54 PM
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thebookworm127 in reply to thebookworm127Oct 8, 2009. 9:33 AM
take the advice
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to thebookworm127Jun 4, 2009. 1:10 PM
I think you have this confused for a forum about personal matters. You're looking at a K'nex gun I designed 2 years ago, keep your comments relevant.
geodez in reply to Perfect DuckMay 18, 2009. 4:24 PM
if fired in zero gravity and a vaccum that extends infinitely they will go on forever or at least until they hit something
Fred the evil puppet in reply to geodezNov 26, 2011. 11:00 AM
...or is pulled into another planets field of gravity. (orbit)
geodez in reply to Fred the evil puppetNov 26, 2011. 6:13 PM
Yes.
xadevox in reply to geodezAug 3, 2009. 3:47 PM
lol like SPACE!?
geodez in reply to xadevoxAug 3, 2009. 4:31 PM
yes, but with no planets, stars, asteroids, etc.
benfoxg in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 26, 2009. 6:57 AM
u sma. but I can still glue rocket engines to them.
J Moneyman in reply to benfoxgMar 13, 2009. 8:23 AM
he's right PD
J Moneyman in reply to J MoneymanMar 13, 2009. 9:02 AM
that PD is supposed to be perfect duck, not a smiling one eyed pirate!
adio in reply to awaiteFeb 14, 2009. 1:43 PM
i built this before and i got like over 100 feet with 3 rubber bands
LordSnipe in reply to awaiteFeb 3, 2009. 1:28 PM
your normal k'nex gun (bolt action like this one) tops out at 30' in my experience. I have seen 100' ranges claimed, but have been unable to replicate the feat. If you want some real power, check out the sr-v1 or my LSSv1, both use a LOT of pieces, but in exchange you get some major (200'+) firepower.
geodez in reply to LordSnipeMay 18, 2009. 4:26 PM
the R.P.G. by knex artillery can fire a very high distance and only uses a fraction of pieces used in the lssv1 or the sr-v1 or sr-v2
Wafflicious in reply to awaiteJan 18, 2009. 3:44 PM
some can fire more than 200 feet but most about 20-100ft. (some can very much harm things)
knexjay says: Sep 16, 2009. 12:25 PM
muist u have spring?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to knexjaySep 17, 2009. 4:41 PM
The answer is in the instructable. -_-
ooglie_booglie says: Jul 12, 2009. 3:30 AM
i dont have any black rods (pic + 3 on the sides) can i use normal grey
DJ Radio in reply to ooglie_booglieJul 18, 2009. 7:58 PM
yes, but it wont be able to support as many bands.
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ooglie_booglie says: Jul 12, 2009. 3:58 AM
any replacements for black hinge pieces i only have 1
ooglie_booglie says: Jul 12, 2009. 3:18 AM
dispicable mistake lol
calvyn says: Jul 17, 2007. 6:50 AM
you could just a spring from a "clicker" style pen @_@
ooglie_booglie in reply to calvynJul 12, 2009. 1:55 AM
too small
ropple07 says: Apr 12, 2007. 1:57 PM
do you need the spring
ooglie_booglie in reply to ropple07Jul 12, 2009. 1:54 AM
on the last pic it shows the rubberband varriation of the gun
calvyn in reply to ropple07Jul 17, 2007. 7:18 AM
i used a pen spring. i unfurled the tighly coiled bit at either end by getting the blade of some scissors into the less dense bit and going round till i got the end with just the sharp bit on the end. then if you pull and twist against the diretion of the turn it gets bigger and looser. do this for both sides and then youcan force it onto a pencil (which is almost the same size of a K-nex rod) and force it on (carfeful with pointy end i stabbed my self and was bleeding a lot0 then you can take it off and put on the blue rod. only took 15 minutes and some blood
RMConstruction in reply to calvynNov 9, 2008. 3:32 AM
Lol, i did too. But i got 2 mins and no blood... im careful you see lol
redneckobsessed in reply to calvynJun 27, 2008. 4:18 PM
ty
T-man in reply to ropple07Jul 5, 2007. 11:57 AM
no look at pic 4 on the first step
say88got says: May 4, 2007. 2:55 PM
how old are you
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to say88gotMay 4, 2007. 4:20 PM
I'm 20 years old. In college to become a science teacher.
DJ Radio in reply to Perfect DuckMay 21, 2009. 9:08 PM
physical science, I take it?
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geodez in reply to DELETED_DELETED_DarthVaderMay 18, 2009. 4:28 PM
what did you say? i couldn't understand you under all of that sarcasm.
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geodez in reply to DELETED_DELETED_DarthVaderMay 30, 2009. 6:26 PM
elmer fudd? i was thinking baby talk.
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geodez in reply to DELETED_DELETED_DarthVaderMay 31, 2009. 7:47 AM
okay geodez.
fortheheckofit in reply to geodezMay 29, 2009. 7:48 PM
He said, "Cool. Are you going to show the class all of your little knex projects?"
geodez in reply to fortheheckofitMay 30, 2009. 8:16 AM
thank you but i knew that because i am accustomed to being ridiculed for my hobby of knex. but i still thought darth vader would be more mature for his age, because i am sure he is at least 13. if not he will problably be banned.
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geodez in reply to DELETED_DELETED_DarthVaderMay 30, 2009. 6:28 PM
you have no idea who i am...
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geodez in reply to DELETED_DELETED_DarthVaderMay 31, 2009. 7:45 AM
quibbling eh? did you know any of those words or did you have to look them up?
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geodez in reply to DELETED_DELETED_DarthVaderMay 31, 2009. 8:12 AM
what is the definition of this word? onomatopoteia. if you do not know the definition is: a word that sounds like what it is eg. splash, thud, etc.
DELETED_DELETED_DarthVader in reply to geodezMay 31, 2009. 8:55 AM
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geodez in reply to DELETED_DELETED_DarthVaderMay 31, 2009. 9:11 AM
maturity 1: the state or quality of being full grown or developed maturity 2: the state or quality of being mature common sense: good practical understanding as you can see I am an intelligent human being.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to geodezMay 31, 2009. 3:20 PM
Take this to another forum and leave irrelevant comments off my instructable.
geodez in reply to Perfect DuckMay 31, 2009. 5:28 PM
okay Perfect Duck, i never like it when people do this, but i can't stand it when people just leave mean or dumb comments on other peoples instructables.
bobbyk881 in reply to Perfect DuckMay 27, 2007. 6:45 PM
are you going to be a nice science teacher?
gobob29 says: Mar 3, 2007. 7:25 PM
This is my sniper pistol that can brake a cd in three pieces on one shot. do you want me to post it(its not crappy like my other guns)
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geodez in reply to gobob29May 18, 2009. 4:27 PM
no offense but most of us could just build it from the picture you posted. also why is your handle 2 connectors short of being full?
DJ Radio in reply to gobob29Feb 22, 2009. 1:17 PM
Killerk copy.
thomaswatton in reply to gobob29Jan 28, 2009. 8:59 AM
i've seen a gun which looks like this (except for a few differences) its really powerful
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to gobob29Mar 4, 2007. 12:13 AM
It's nothing short of infuriating to see that you have put this same exact post, no doubt a ctrl-v, here as well as on my K'nexecutioner.

I clicked on your name, and found that you have done this in EIGHT seperate places. This is where we're supposed to be talking about Red Impact - Perfect Duck's K'nex Gun. If you want people to say things about your gun, do not put it everyone's instructables where it doesn't belong!

If it actually had something to do with Red Impact, I wouldn't mind! But you're just sticking it in our faces for attention.
KILLERK says: Dec 24, 2007. 12:08 PM
SR-v1
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TwistedParadox in reply to KILLERKMar 29, 2009. 4:31 AM
Why is that here?
J Moneyman says: Mar 13, 2009. 9:01 AM
Dude, do u play WoW?
thomaswatton says: Dec 22, 2008. 8:52 AM
ye make trig and post plz
J4mm3r5 says: Dec 1, 2008. 10:04 AM
no trig, awwwwww what a shame
Abominatus says: Aug 1, 2008. 8:16 AM
are the half hinges compulsory? can they be replaced?
I_am_Canadian in reply to AbominatusAug 3, 2008. 12:31 PM
The 0nly thing i think you might be able so substitute it with is a black ball joint connector.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to I_am_CanadianNov 9, 2008. 12:02 PM
Nope. Won't work.
I_am_Canadian in reply to Perfect DuckNov 9, 2008. 12:52 PM
Ok. Wait... Your back! Posting anything?
Abominatus in reply to I_am_CanadianAug 17, 2008. 3:16 AM
TX
SNIPERDUDE in reply to AbominatusAug 1, 2008. 12:33 PM
Well, so long as it can lift the following bolt (ammo) off of the first one, because without that loading unit the hopper will jam. So a piece in place of that half-hinge would be... maybe try the knob piece. (the piece that is used for K'nex men arms/legs, etc... looks like a piece with a ball at the end) Let me know if that works.
ponddust says: Nov 2, 2008. 4:17 PM
hi I love the gun and I'm am going to make it but I was wondering if you had a suggestion for a big realistic gun that doesn't have lots of peaces
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to ponddustNov 9, 2008. 12:01 PM
I'm not the one to ask because I do not put any importance on appearance or realism. All my guns are built for performance and they are shaped the way they are so that they can do their job.
Perfect Duck (author) says: Sep 5, 2008. 8:19 PM
=O Since when was this a featured instructable?
dsman195276 in reply to Perfect DuckSep 30, 2008. 3:38 AM
since forever.
grevious in reply to Perfect DuckSep 22, 2008. 1:40 AM
lol and the knexacutioner (i think) isnt even featured, and it's one of the best guns on the site. most likely the best mg.
Stavroz says: Sep 5, 2008. 9:54 AM
Perfect duck, Can u replace the spring by a rubberband.?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to StavrozSep 5, 2008. 10:31 AM
The answer is sorta. Check out the last picture on Step 1. Make sure that the rubber band isn't pushing too hard when it's at rest.
Stavroz says: Sep 4, 2008. 11:32 AM
Hey i like this, its a perfect weapon for spies in knex wars wich i am :P
spartan116 says: Aug 14, 2008. 10:28 AM
lol i like the gun i couldnt build it though... i didnt hav enough pieces
LordSnipe says: Jul 26, 2008. 3:05 PM
congratulations on the mag design! Just to throw this out there, what if you rebuilt this mag on a different scale, say for the SCAR 11? jamming is a major problem in spring loaded guns, go wild!
LordSnipe in reply to LordSnipeJul 26, 2008. 3:07 PM
ps, I love the spring transfer too, that is an awsome idea, where did you get the spring?
SNIPERDUDE says: Jul 26, 2008. 1:46 PM
Very unique gun. Really good job. I actually want to take some of the elements for inspiration if you don't mind for my next major project. I really appreciate seeing people making innovative guns as such because it breaks the typical K'nex Gun mold.
I_am_Canadian says: Jul 20, 2008. 10:43 AM
Could you please tell me how to rod dispenser works?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to I_am_CanadianJul 20, 2008. 2:16 PM
Explained in step 7.
I_am_Canadian in reply to Perfect DuckJul 20, 2008. 2:59 PM
Ahh.. very clever. Im going to use this in one of my upcoming projects, if thats ok with you.
Ghostsniper says: Feb 12, 2008. 3:46 PM
can i use the ball joint part thats pretty similar to the modded pieces?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to GhostsniperFeb 12, 2008. 5:55 PM
No.
grevious in reply to Perfect DuckJul 17, 2008. 3:16 AM
yeah well but is it "possible" to do it with the ball joint connectors?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to greviousJul 17, 2008. 11:09 AM
The amount of effort it would take to bore one down to produce a perfectly smooth, rod-diameter surface is a lot more than it would take to cut down a grey connector.
grevious in reply to Perfect DuckJul 18, 2008. 12:28 AM
yeah i worked it out, i asked before i got to the step lol. so i worked it out, i had a broekn orange two slot connector, so ithough id just break that and use one half then break another one. oh btw it's easyier to use a stanley knife
happybirthday in reply to Perfect DuckMar 15, 2008. 10:21 PM
im right handed but i find ur left handed indrtuctoins quite good,also i shot through a shoe box at 50 feet +1
Super Saiyan Jesus says: Jul 17, 2008. 4:50 AM
Nice. Now all I need is a shitload of K'Nex.... ... Stealing-from-children time.
kingghaffari says: Jul 8, 2008. 9:02 PM
now all we have to do is think about a way to make the RI slide, pump or bolt action. The slide not only pulls back the ram but also makes the arm thingy go back with it. then we also add a trigger and this gun is the best. i dont think its worth pulling back the arms for the extra 15 feet. but if we have a pump, slide, or bolt than we can do all at the same time. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!
mettaurlover says: Jun 21, 2008. 2:21 PM
you are pure evil... i CAN add a true trigger, but i won't. it would be mean. and i don't want about 20 knex peices sticking out of the back of my head.
bannana inventor says: Jun 14, 2008. 12:47 PM
That's the way people should take there pictures. Excellent gun, pictures, and design.
zap89 says: May 17, 2008. 3:47 AM
great pic at the beggining
Daniel662000 says: May 7, 2008. 6:14 PM
Do you have to have a spring?
adio says: Apr 15, 2008. 2:15 PM
i have a problem with this gun when i pull the thingy thats on the hopper more then 1 rod goes inside ready to shoot can u help?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to adioApr 15, 2008. 9:12 PM
It takes a while to get used to, I will admit. When doing it, you will probably have to slightly push upward on the loading arms, that way they swoop down lower on the other side and push underneath that second rod you don't want there. Once you can effectively do this, without accidentally swinging it too far, the Red Impact becomes quite versatile. It's still my favorite, after everything I've built.
Storm950 in reply to Perfect DuckMay 6, 2008. 10:13 AM
Scratch that idea, I got yours working to an acceptable standard.
Storm950 in reply to Perfect DuckMay 6, 2008. 7:13 AM
I may have a go at making some new loading arms for this, if I do would you like to see pics of them?
Knex_Gun_Builder says: Apr 15, 2008. 10:19 AM
is it OK if I put red Impacts magazine on spider Massacre 2.0?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to Knex_Gun_BuilderApr 15, 2008. 11:21 AM
Long as it shows where you got it from.
leem1994 says: Apr 1, 2008. 12:40 PM
what is the robot doing?
ROBOT CHICKEN says: Aug 22, 2007. 4:16 AM
i would recommend this gun to eneyone who builds knex guns. and i would like to add that mine uses a rubber band insted of a spring, and works fantastic. all credit to perfect duck. 9.5 out of ten. p.s forget the loading arms there crap!!!!!! no offence to P D. (perfect duck)
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to ROBOT CHICKEN Aug 22, 2007. 9:33 AM
What's even crappier is not using the loading arms and letting 50% of the power go down the drain as the tips of the rods strike against one another. -sigh- Give them a serius chance and observe the difference in efficiency. Those loading arms are no gimick - they took a long time to perfect, and are what make the Red Impact's hopper friction-free. You've neutered it by removing them.
Storm950 in reply to Perfect DuckMar 29, 2008. 11:12 AM
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Perfect Duck (author) in reply to Storm950Mar 29, 2008. 10:28 PM
Hmm. The first thing I would do is double-check that the sideways-snapped white rod at the very bottom is in the correct place.
extreme builder in reply to Perfect DuckMar 23, 2008. 9:16 PM
u are so smart i can't believe u thought of that
Ludwig Gunner in reply to Perfect DuckNov 2, 2007. 5:14 PM
I always have trouble with friction and this sopusadly(I Know I spelled that wrong) "seperates the firing bullet from the mag?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to Ludwig GunnerNov 2, 2007. 9:28 PM
That's the whole point of the loading arms. Look at the second picture on this intro page. The bottom-most red rod is ready to be fired, and there is nothing touching it from above. If I tilted the gun down like that, red rod would slide easily right out. A simple backward-forward motion of the loading arms, and another red rod will be ready down there.
extreme builder says: Mar 23, 2008. 9:25 PM
u are so smart i can't believe it!!
extreme builder says: Mar 23, 2008. 9:04 PM
this is a really really good gun +1 for sure
wussap says: Mar 17, 2008. 4:41 PM
does it have a trigger? because i cant find a trigger on it
Renji says: Feb 22, 2008. 6:17 PM
I made this but it wouldn't fire, everything seemed fine though. Any suggestions?
ojochris in reply to RenjiMar 4, 2008. 6:08 PM
BLEACH RULES!!!
I_am_Canadian in reply to ojochrisMar 16, 2008. 2:56 PM
umm. that was random.
ojochris in reply to I_am_CanadianMar 16, 2008. 6:04 PM
not really... Renji is the name of my fav. character on bleach....
I_am_Canadian in reply to ojochrisMar 16, 2008. 6:55 PM
O
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to RenjiFeb 22, 2008. 7:11 PM
I'd need more info than that. The Loading arms should allow you to load a rod, tilt gun down, and the rod slides out unhindered. As far as the firing pin area, ideally there should be no press when it's at rest, otherwise it will be pushing the spring in too far. The blue rod in the center should only be partially into the hopper for the split-second in firing, never any other time. That's how it should be, but since I don't know your specific problem, I'm not sure how I can help.
happybirthday in reply to Perfect DuckMar 17, 2008. 7:04 PM
ur name is blake?
Stavroz says: Mar 10, 2008. 6:20 AM
cool gun cool name either its powerfull accurate and quick reloadeble good job
mutt256 says: Mar 5, 2008. 6:51 PM
is there anything else i can subsitute for all those gray spacers on the loadin arm?
dsman195276 in reply to mutt256Mar 7, 2008. 4:03 AM
you can use blue spaces. or you can put one blue spacer and a peace like a grey connectorpointing outward.
Ghostsniper says: Feb 13, 2008. 5:14 AM
whats the difference between the red and tan rods???
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to GhostsniperFeb 13, 2008. 10:52 AM
They are the same size as red, only they are made out of some sort of polycarbonate composite material, and are heavier and stronger. They do not bend and are used as axles usually. Same thing as a black rod, only red size. They make better ammo because they're heavier. Size-to-weight ratio.
Ghostsniper in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 13, 2008. 5:37 PM
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the dawg says: Feb 1, 2008. 12:21 PM
Or is it rubbish? And i found a spring but its quite big like fit 4 knex peices inside it or does it have to be small?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to the dawgFeb 1, 2008. 4:07 PM
I can't tell you if your spring will work or not. Just proceed with the instructable and note that I show how to use rubber bands instead as the last picture in step 1.
the dawg says: Feb 1, 2008. 10:19 AM
does it work ok without rubberbands?
the dawg in reply to the dawgFeb 1, 2008. 10:54 AM
sorry with rubber bands.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to the dawgFeb 1, 2008. 12:04 PM
Elastic potential energy is what powers this launcher. Rubber bands are a critical component.
the dawg in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 1, 2008. 2:53 PM
i meant instead of the spring.
the dawg says: Feb 1, 2008. 12:25 PM
by the way all these comments relate to my first question. just though u might take them as an insult if i forgot to but this.
flamely says: Jan 27, 2008. 2:55 PM
this is going to sound stupid but how do i exactly cut these pieces to make them to a half circle
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to flamelyJan 28, 2008. 6:17 PM
Check it out, I edited this 4th step a bit to include a picture. This was something I've been meaning to do anyway, so thanks for reminding me.
koolkidd says: Jan 22, 2008. 9:15 PM
Awesome! Just finished!
pates1 says: Dec 29, 2007. 1:12 PM
I made a knex guns with a working clip. (the clip is made out of knex too because i saw one that wasnt and it was ver stud)the gun is a pistol/mg thing. you put the clip at the end of the gun while its cocked.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to pates1Dec 29, 2007. 10:36 PM
So it has a magazine/hopper in the front while the back section is the firing pin? Sounds a lot like one of the earlier versions of Red Impact. Before I put in the central spring-return system, there was only that front section that connected hopper from ram/handle, so the front was removeable and readily replaced by a new, full hopper. Is that pretty much what you did?
pates1 in reply to Perfect DuckJan 19, 2008. 7:02 AM
it goes in the froint of the gun. its a small gun with many flaws but i could post the clip. if i did it wouldnt be for a while.
pates1 in reply to pates1Dec 29, 2007. 1:13 PM
*i made a knex GUN*
the_burrito_master says: Dec 22, 2007. 11:11 AM
CoolJB says: Dec 7, 2007. 8:12 PM
I built this... my cousin's bro fired it... and it maked a small hole in my wall! this rocks!!!

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ironman69 says: Nov 16, 2007. 6:39 PM
I have built almost all of your guns excluding the duel pistols.This is one of my favorats because it is very innovative and the second firing pin idea is a good way to have maximum power with minimum rubberbands.This and KILLERK's joint connecter Idea.I have incorporated both into my carbine and with the right rubberbands can revel Gorkmans rifle.PS sorry if I spelled Gorkmans name wrong.
KILLERK says: Nov 14, 2007. 7:57 AM
SR-v1 coming soon!
griffers93 says: Nov 7, 2007. 5:06 PM
hey perfect duck, what would your solution be to my problem... the straight 2-slotted connecter at the end shatters a lot, and on the dampener, every time I fire, when the black rod hits the blue rod, the connectors are both knocked off the blue rod... I only have 2 rubber bands on it!!(they might be too good of rubber bands :/) oh, I am stopping the black rod right before the 5-slotted connector that is 2 washers away from the next 5-slot c. which has the straight connector between it and the 8-slot connector circle.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to griffers93Nov 9, 2007. 1:39 PM
I apologise, because this is a very long explanation.

The red impact works by having the firing pin equal roughly the same mass as what it is hitting, so the remaining energy gets dispersed through the spring. If it's too unbalanced, it will break in exactly the same way as you're describing. Black rods are heavier and carry too much unstoppable force. Use a grey one for the firing pin.

Your rubber bands are probably fine but maybe they're not being used correctly ...
The rubber bands must be resting, barely even tense, when the gun is not being pulled. Do not over-stretch them for the sake of added power. Pulling them back is sufficient. You should be comfortably able to use the full five to six inches of draw-back space in the rear section. Maximum speed is key here, not power, which is why a grey rod, which takes less energy to speed up quicker, is preferred.

The firing pin reaches a speed, and then that speed gets transferred over to the projectile. It strikes, doesn't push.

The orange connector shouldn't be falling off because the rod shouldn't be plowing so deeply into the system. I think using a grey rod will solve all of this.

Another point to make is that after the central blue rod has had its grey connectors ripped accross it, it's easier to happen a second time because a little bit of its blue plastic gets torn away (You can see this if you look closely at the end). As well as replacing the black rod with a grey and adjusting the rubber bands, use a new central blue rod.
griffers93 in reply to Perfect DuckNov 10, 2007. 8:42 PM
okay thank you very much. I had super glued the grey connector onto the blue, and yes I see where it has chipped away at the end... it works much better with a grey. I had some big thick strong, but shorter rubber bands, so resting they were already tighter than normal... thanks for the help!
griffers93 says: Nov 6, 2007. 3:05 PM
ahh a fellow lefty-k'nex-weaponist! lol anyways, amazing gun.
stronger_one says: Nov 2, 2007. 10:49 AM
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supernova12 says: Oct 31, 2007. 11:48 PM
This is a great concept, however i think the spring loaded part is a bit dumb. It only goes like a sixth of the way into the hopper, so you only get a sixth of the power of the rubber bands. My red rods barely managed to leave the barrel. Maybe i built it wrong, but it seems a bit awful. Looks cool though!
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to supernova12Nov 1, 2007. 12:06 AM
You don't seem to understand collision physics very well. Ever played pool? The billiards bounce against one another without needing any such lengh and the energy transfer is quite clean. The rods only need a thousandth of a second of contact for there to be a transfer of motion, simply enough to overcome the elasticity of the plastic, which is rather stiff. The fact of the matter is that the Red Impact is very efficient at transferring your rubber bands' power into the ammo. I cannot give you a clear answer how to fix it based on your description. The problem could be the blue rod's "tuning". When it is at rest, it should line up well with the interior hopper so that the slightest tap, and it's already pushing into the ammo. Or there may be unwanted friction somewhere. A loaded red rod should easily slip out if you tilt the gun down.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to Perfect DuckNov 1, 2007. 12:14 AM
A thought just came to me. Are you firing it correctly? You pull the gray rod back about six inches before you let go. The grey rod then accelerates and finally hits the spring-loaded blue rod.
qwerty1234567890 says: Oct 25, 2007. 11:07 AM
Really nice repeater. I love the spring system,until now most of my guns fell apart or exploded. I built this and used to really strong rubberbands and it is able to draw blood with the red rods(not modified.
Dutchj says: Sep 8, 2007. 2:59 AM
I built this gun and it's pretty good. Only problem is that if you put a lot of power on it ( more then 2 rubberbands for me, strong rubber bands mind you ) it will become hard to aim because of the kickback. I would put a trigger on it but i'm out of black rods and grey rods are too weak for it. Credit for the loading arms. They are very efficient, so is the spring system.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to DutchjSep 8, 2007. 11:01 AM
That's quite the complement, very much appreciated. I would be cautious using a black rod for firing pin, as the connector that the spring presses up against does have its limits and it's possible for the blue rod to break through it. The reasons you stated above are really why I still consider the Red Impact the best thing I've built with K'nex, not my machine guns.
King825 in reply to Perfect DuckOct 5, 2007. 7:27 PM
I actually don't believe machine guns are all that great
Dutchj in reply to Perfect DuckSep 8, 2007. 11:14 AM
I know the connector can break, but that only happened to me when I had a rubberband instead of a spring. I don't really need more then 1 rubberband on it, but I was just fooling around and noticed. By the way, the hopper can sometimes also be problematic because of it's shape. It's wide at the top and it becomes less wide as it continues downwards. This shape makes the ammo get stuck a lot and I have to poke it a bit to get it down. But I guess that's unavoidable because the ammo would get stuck all the time if it were as thin as in the bottom all the way. Aw well, no K'nex gun is perfect, but this one gets a long way. I hope to see more interesting guns from you.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to DutchjSep 8, 2007. 11:36 AM
My Dual Pistols are similar in design, if you haven't tried them yet. When I have the spare time, I'll also make an instructable on my Quad Blaster.
Dutchj in reply to Perfect DuckSep 9, 2007. 3:12 AM
Here's a pic of my Red Impact, I removed the grey reinforcement rods at the bottom because they make it uncomfortable to hold it. I also added a flexi-rod to the handle like in your dual pistols.
Picture 2.jpg
Dutchj in reply to DutchjSep 9, 2007. 3:15 AM
Oh yeah, and I mirrored the loading arms because I'm right handed, little clumsy if they're on the other side.
deviant says: Aug 21, 2007. 3:53 AM
Hey perfect duck im not quite sure how to cut the grey pieces could you tell me how you did it.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to deviantAug 22, 2007. 9:39 AM
Well, I would saw them. Easy to do, except for how small grey connectors are. But! They're K'nex; it's easy as hell to make handles for them. I would put all the greys that you want cut snapped lengthwise onto a red rod, then use the red rod to hold them steady as you cut down with a hand saw or dremel rotary tool. They sell little saws at hobby stores, designed for cutting model railroad tracks.
deviant in reply to Perfect DuckSep 4, 2007. 1:34 AM
Thanx sorry i answered abit late. I finished your gun a while ago and it's very good and i did what you said with the saw so thanx.. By the way you should make gorkems it's good as plus you'd be able to mod it a make it like 10 times better lol. Here's is a pic of it i made my one abit three days ago
C:\Documents and Settings\Beau\My Documents\My Pictures\IMG_3410.JPG
ROBOT CHICKEN says: Aug 24, 2007. 6:01 AM
I apologize to pd my loading arms are working and i know what you mean by efficiany, but post a closer picture because thats why mine didnt work, or if not put a note box over where they join.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to ROBOT CHICKEN Aug 24, 2007. 9:22 AM
Yeah... this was my first instructable and it does need a lot of work. The hopper is hard enough to build without the loading arms, I never explain how to cut the grey rods, etc. One of these days I'll clean it up.
ROBOT CHICKEN says: Aug 22, 2007. 4:19 AM
i forgot to metion that im posting a bolt action gun that holds ten rounds and is probably the easyist bolt action gun to make, so look out 4 it in about 2 weeks.
Pat Sowers says: Feb 15, 2007. 12:50 PM
I just made my version of the battle rifle from halo2 and it has a range of about 70 feet or so and it is ridiculously accurate.
Knexfan in reply to Pat SowersAug 18, 2007. 3:10 PM
You should post it. PLEASE...... PLEASE POST IT.
Pat Sowers in reply to KnexfanAug 19, 2007. 4:58 AM
that was a long time ago it has a block trig and the block trig was widely used back then and now people hate it. i am done with knex now.
Knexfan in reply to Pat SowersAug 19, 2007. 7:34 AM
Not everybody hates block triggers. To me, it doesn't matter what kind of trigger someone uses, I just like building the gun based on how good it looks, like a real gun. Besides, I really like all the Halo games, and I would love to see the gun you made. I really don't care if it shoots or not. But, if I still haven't convinced you to build Knex again, would you at least consider building 1 more gun? The Battle Rifle from Halo 2. If you don't, could you at least let me know where I can find instructables on how to make weapons from Halo? Also, if you know of any instructables on how to make guns from Metal Gear Solid, those would also be appreciated as well. Thanks man.
Pat Sowers in reply to KnexfanAug 19, 2007. 3:24 PM
I dont have the gun any more but you can try to build it from this pic (it was my first gun so its not so good if you want a better one then click on my name and look for my pistol)
C:\Documents and Settings\Owner.DEN-COMPUTER\My Documents\My Pictures\2007_02_15\IMG_0011.JPGC:\Documents and Settings\Owner.DEN-COMPUTER\My Documents\My Pictures\2007_02_15\IMG_0010.JPG
Pat Sowers in reply to Pat SowersFeb 17, 2007. 1:51 PM
gun

this is it shooting fron 50 feet with the camera zoomed
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to Pat SowersFeb 15, 2007. 4:08 PM
That's great, but do you have anything to say relevant to my Red Impact instructable?
Pat Sowers in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 16, 2007. 4:28 PM
it is a good gun it is very fun to mess around with
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to Pat SowersFeb 16, 2007. 5:16 PM
70 feet is an excellent range as far as K'nex goes. Is your rifle type thing based off my design?
Pat Sowers in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 17, 2007. 12:25 PM
It is based off of many people's designs including yours and some of my own ideas
Mepain in reply to Pat SowersFeb 18, 2007. 6:32 PM
whats it look like?
Pat Sowers in reply to MepainFeb 19, 2007. 3:20 PM
click on my name and then gun(strong) it will show you a pick of it
parsley22 says: Aug 18, 2007. 6:37 AM
figure it out from the last pic
prime_hunter says: Aug 15, 2007. 9:06 PM
this gun works alot better without the sliding peice at the front
J_SCAP says: Aug 8, 2007. 2:50 PM
nice gun i just made a nice light weight auto cock 15 shot pistol and rarely gets jammed and if it dose all you have to do is shake the gun pm me if you want me to post it
bolt action gun.bmp
lewigi says: Jul 21, 2007. 11:49 PM
i am stuck on the mag
calvyn says: Jul 21, 2007. 1:27 PM
i am having troubles with the loading mechanism (fixed now) so i put a a tempory barrel on it. when i was experimenting with ammo i found a really good grappling hook design. i then tied a piece of string to it (a long piece) and now i just spend my holiday trying to grappel stuff from as far as possible (shopping bag at 4 metres @-@ -
knexlord says: Jul 19, 2007. 11:19 AM
nice handle i modified and used it in my revolver will post soon
FrozenFire 99 says: Mar 17, 2007. 5:23 AM
hey why dont you make it a semi auto gun so you dont have to pull back the firing pin and then release it, but just use a trigger to shoot. that would be awesome
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to FrozenFire 99Mar 18, 2007. 9:25 AM
Merely a preference. Red Impact can very easily have a normal trigger on it, and everyone knows how they work. So go ahead and put one on. I even hilight in the instructable where it would optimally go.
kiwi_soccer_maniac in reply to Perfect DuckApr 18, 2007. 12:18 AM
how far does it fire?
calvyn in reply to kiwi_soccer_maniacJul 18, 2007. 4:56 AM
with any RBG it depends on how many elastic bands you put. if you reinforced this with the strong version of the rods and put about 10 or so linked elastic bands it wold fire a hell of a long way, then probaly break. with two linked elastic bands i get about 2-3 metres. need to buy some more elastic bands
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to kiwi_soccer_maniacApr 19, 2007. 3:02 PM
It fires as far as a red rod is capable of going -- before the rod starts flying sideways and becomes a lot less aerodynamic (which happens soon after they're launched). 30-35 feet max. If you're using it indoors, there won't be any issues with range, I'll tell you that.
FrozenFire 99 in reply to Perfect DuckMar 19, 2007. 10:37 AM
i experimented some with it and a already have a trigger on it - the spring is working perfect in combination with it!
oodalumps in reply to FrozenFire 99Mar 17, 2007. 1:49 PM
http://www.instructables.com/id/E6F8H1GCDSES9J3VWU/ There's mine. Mediocre range and power, but it works perfectly.

And to Perfect Duck: Thanks for the advice on the exploding pieces. I'll see if I can find somthing with a spring in it..
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to oodalumpsMar 18, 2007. 9:40 AM
Semi-Automatic: A gun that fires each time the trigger is pulled, without the need to manually operate a bolt, lever or other firing or loading mechanism. And I didn't even look at this before, but I'm actually very thoroughly amazed. The only semi-automatic I've ever seen so far. Sorry guys, but Red Impact is not a semi-auto, nor will it ever be. It can be best described as bolt action. And on the spring: Are you sure you cannot just go to a hardware store? They're really not all that expensive and come in packs.
quincy85wrestler in reply to Perfect DuckApr 26, 2007. 3:29 PM
or you can just take some skinny wire and wind it around the knex rod.
oodalumps in reply to Perfect DuckMar 18, 2007. 2:27 PM
Is there a certain size I should look for? Or do I just try to match up a knex piece with the springs?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to oodalumpsMar 19, 2007. 1:34 PM
I really don't know how spring tensions are officially measured, but the ones I find that work the best are difficult but possible to compress completely down using just my thumb and finger. Not too weak, or too strong.
Pudge in reply to Perfect DuckMar 31, 2007. 9:51 PM
My Grandfather says that the official way is diameter + Density + Length = Power. I don't think he is right... How does that equal size?

When i measure springs, I use a drill bit chart. The smallest hole it fis in is the size.
phlorgan says: Jul 9, 2007. 3:24 PM
dude its awsome but i dont have enough red rods for it to be worth while. any advice where to get certain peices other than sets? BTW im in england so cant order off knex.com already tried.
stf13 says: Jul 4, 2007. 11:53 AM
Nice gun i tried making it with the elastic bands but the only problem is that the pics are a bit gloomy for first timers, althought this guns way to powerfull for one of them =)
homicidal.cereal.killer says: Jun 27, 2007. 12:09 PM
my new barrel style gun is made! check it out!

http://www.instructables.com/id/EBAAM5UF3ER7VHU/?ALLSTEPS

and this gun is pretty good too.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to homicidal.cereal.killerJul 1, 2007. 5:13 AM
I noticed that in the instructable of one of your weapons, you mentioned something about how a breech and mag system ALWAYS causes a loss in power and accuracy. ... I can assure you that this Red Impact is the exception.
qwerty123456789 says: Jul 1, 2007. 4:25 AM
homicidal.cereal.killer shut the f**k up about your bloody new barrel design cause it sucks
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to qwerty123456789Jul 1, 2007. 5:05 AM
I've tried chewing out people before, as people evidently don't get that "Add Comment" means commenting on the instructable, not advertising another. Yes, spam like this belongs in forums and not other people's instructables, but it's moot to try and stop them. At least he commented on the very bottom of the pasted post.
qwerty123456789 says: Jun 30, 2007. 6:49 AM
can you make a list of pieces because i want to make 2.
that 1 kid says: Jun 22, 2007. 8:42 PM
the pics are a bit unclear, any better ones
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to that 1 kidJun 22, 2007. 8:15 PM
I don't know what (if any) angle would help. The third picture shows the part's underside and tells what exact order of parts lie on the central black rod. I would start with putting all the right connectors and spacers on it. From that black rod, two red rods (mine are green) start at the front and two yellow rods start at the back. And I would add the side protrusions (orange connectors) last. It doesn't even have to be this way; it was just the way I did it.
happybirthday in reply to Perfect DuckMar 16, 2008. 9:07 AM
what does the peice with the spring on it do?other than geting in the way of fireing
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to happybirthdayMar 16, 2008. 4:19 PM
it doesn't 'get in the way of firing' at all. It returns to position and keeps pressed up neatly against the next red rod to be fired. Elimiates a lot of problems with hopper ammo moving around, as well as prevents any k'nex pieces from breaking even when extreme power was used.
Danny A says: Jun 11, 2007. 12:54 PM
Could you please tell me what the knex pieces are and how many are needed for the pile driving shaft, the pictures aren't that good.
knex forger says: Jun 9, 2007. 5:52 PM
i have just finished making this gun and it is one of the only guns i have been able to make thanks to good pictures and good explanations . thanks for this gun .nice main pic by the way the gun gr is so simple and it actually works
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to knex forger Jun 9, 2007. 8:40 PM
Quite the complement. Thanks back at ya.
knex forger says: Jun 8, 2007. 9:57 PM
hey does this have a trigger or is it just pull back let go
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to knex forger Jun 8, 2007. 10:18 PM
It can have a typical trigger if you want. It's not hard to add one.
knexbuilder2007 says: May 31, 2007. 10:55 AM
i built the gun, it works very good. if u mod it a little u could make it work without the black thingys, but with them the gun is more reliable ( without black thingys it sometimes jams).
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to knexbuilder2007May 31, 2007. 3:04 PM
I had the idea that a pump-action rifle could be made that uses the Red Impact's hopper, even the firing arms. If the trigger also pushes the firing arms in, it'd be just as simple to operate as any other.
mmzdaniel in reply to Perfect DuckJun 7, 2007. 1:50 PM
could you make the pulley pull the firing pin AND the loading arms? that way it would be like mepain's shifle but will probably be better in power.... your loading arms are great but it would take longer to shoot if you need to use them and then pull...
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to mmzdanielJun 7, 2007. 4:22 PM
The loading arms only need to be pushed in just before firing. The rest of the time they should be out to let the next ammo down. I figured it would make more sense to connect them to the trigger.
mmzdaniel in reply to Perfect DuckJun 8, 2007. 3:46 AM
do you have a prototype or just the concept?
captianchase says: Jun 4, 2007. 10:16 PM
perfect duck i dont killerk has perfected the single shot gun
anickle060193 says: May 28, 2007. 6:31 PM
I think that if you are not going to show step-by-step instructions that you should at least show many different angles of the object. But over all good gun
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to anickle060193May 28, 2007. 6:33 PM
But... this is a complete instructable. O.o
anickle060193 in reply to Perfect DuckMay 29, 2007. 2:56 PM
I know but It is kind of hard to see certain pieces and what they are connected to. Such as in step 4 pic 2 it is hard to see every piece.
knexlord says: May 28, 2007. 11:38 AM
nice gun
knex_builder_freak says: Apr 28, 2007. 9:57 PM
hey should i post this knex gun it has the same handle as killerks gun here it is
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to knex_builder_freakApr 28, 2007. 10:26 PM
No, you shouldn't. KillerK has already perfected this type, so the one here is redundant.
knex_builder_freak in reply to Perfect DuckMay 15, 2007. 1:15 PM
my gun
knex_builder_freak says: May 14, 2007. 7:21 PM
this thing rocks thx perfect duck
sak-j says: May 14, 2007. 9:37 AM
i can't make the gun with these instructions. What am i doing wrong?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to sak-jMay 14, 2007. 5:14 PM
You're not being specific enough.
ricky0207 says: May 12, 2007. 5:02 AM
what a awsome gun , took me a while but hell its worth it, its cool with a spring, and good range , i took the loadin arm off cos it got in the way but still hardly no jammin. can i ask, did u just post it with the arms cos it looks good or do u find it works better, anyway what ever its a brill gun lol ty 4 posti n it
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to ricky0207May 13, 2007. 2:44 AM
Believe it or not, those loading arms are the best part about the Red Impact. You've neutered it by removing them. I've talked about this before. If you don't want to scroll down to the previous comments right here, I'll explain once more:

The tips of K'nex rods are wider then the middles. When two tips strike each other as one rod slides directly against another, it causes a jolt of lost energy, the entire gun shakes, the rods in the hopper jump around inside, and the one you're trying to shoot out loses a tremoundous amount of velocity. The loading arms prevent this problem (which is significant with longer rods like red ones) by lifting the rods away.

No end collision = clean, efficient shot. Very powerful if you actually use the loading arms. Much better than if you just have the rods scraping against one another.
ricky0207 in reply to Perfect DuckMay 13, 2007. 4:14 PM
come to think of it, all the time it used to get jamed when i took it off, and now ive but it back on, it realy works!!!
jetjayjay says: May 13, 2007. 9:51 AM
I don't like this gun, I IDOLIZE it. The firing arms and spring usage are great ideas that improve preformance hugely. This is a must-have for any self-respecting K'nex arsenal.
Sir-Knex-Alot says: May 12, 2007. 3:38 PM
Yo im new top this just made this red impact and my fingers are kaning from making the barrel :P still gotta collect my spring for the shooting mechanism maybe get it form a hardware tommorow anyways back to the subject im sure this will be an awesome gun wfor me when i get it working but ive been having problems with the hopper and the loading arm, i say put 3 red rods in the hopper use the loading arm to drop one in but they all fall in :S and i cant reset the loading arm have you got a solution to this problem or did you have the same problem if so plz get back asap and explain :) would be very appreciated!
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to Sir-Knex-AlotMay 13, 2007. 2:28 AM
The black parts of the loading arms are supposed to wedge between the red rods. To be more specific, to lift the other rods up off from the one ready to be fired. It takes some getting used to the way it works, but pulling slightly upwards as you move it forces the other side more downward. That angle allows it to very easily scoop into there and do its job.
altaria1993 says: May 11, 2007. 1:27 PM
it looks like a awesome gun, but can someone make a list of the pieces, so that i know how much diffrent knex guns i have to take apart :) alty
say88got says: May 4, 2007. 8:52 PM
you are good at building knex guns on this one I could not find afiting spring
knex_builder_freak says: Apr 28, 2007. 9:57 PM
woops here it is
knex beast0.jpg
BLACKROD says: Apr 21, 2007. 6:15 PM
I just finished the Red Impact! I bought a variety pack of springs at Lowes. The gun firesperfect and cna be used as parid fire. I never hardly even use the amoo lifting apparatus. Just pull, release, pull, release.. Amazing gun! Love it.
Flie-Ing GOOse says: Apr 7, 2007. 1:30 PM
awsome, looks quite hard, does it have a trigger?
berrygunks in reply to Flie-Ing GOOseApr 8, 2007. 9:15 AM
nope
Perfect Duck (author) says: Feb 24, 2007. 1:54 PM
Has ANYONE followed my advice and used a spring?
Name goes Here in reply to Perfect DuckApr 1, 2007. 3:56 PM
Yep
berrygunks in reply to Perfect DuckMar 31, 2007. 7:24 AM
Yo perfect duck! i used the spring. Its awesome i barely pull the pin and it goes bam!
bunduk in reply to Perfect DuckMar 16, 2007. 3:26 PM
I got a spring from a dismantled spud gun I found in my shed and made a spring powered knex gun out of it I've broken it up now tho' it shot like 7.5ft.(dont try it its rubbish).
nick.z in reply to Perfect DuckMar 1, 2007. 2:52 PM
i used a spring and it worked really well
Mepain in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 27, 2007. 3:28 PM
i dont even know where to get one, and i dont plan on spending too much money on them either
bobbyk881 in reply to MepainFeb 28, 2007. 5:11 PM
go to a lows wherehouse
cowscankill in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 25, 2007. 1:17 PM
well, i might be able to, but i havn't even BUILT it yet. I have a used pen... i could use the spring
Danny in reply to cowscankillFeb 28, 2007. 12:51 PM
pen springs dont work.... i tried
altaria1993 in reply to DannyMay 12, 2007. 3:26 PM
just make them a little wider, and pulle tem out, hold them for a few seconds, and it will work ;)
Name goes Here says: Apr 1, 2007. 3:54 PM
Ok not to critizes (spelling bad)... Gun is good but, i have 5 rubber bands ( connect so 1 = 3 rubberbands and 1 =2 rubberbands linked. But my ram rod (the blue rod) keeps breaking and flying everywhere, and the hopper thing not working out. So i just modified a hopper i used in a previous gun to fit yellow rods so it fit red rods. Works better. I made it also a bit taller it fits i think 15 rods did'nt count. (when typing i typed spelling like spellying and 15 rods as 115 rodes)
Name goes Here says: Mar 31, 2007. 9:14 PM
Hey Can you add a picture for the part far right in the 2nd picture its hard to see how to build the back
Pudge says: Mar 18, 2007. 1:45 PM
To Perfect Duck: I aggree that spring guns are much more powerful than Rubberband powered guns Guns. Do you think i should post my spring/band power with 6-12 shot hopper that shoots through 3 sheets of cardboard? ~Pudge Oh yeah, it would be my first instructable, But not my First K'nex Gun.
assasin in reply to PudgeMar 30, 2007. 7:58 AM
it's not spring powered the spring absorbs recoil or sum thing.
Name goes Here says: Mar 28, 2007. 9:02 PM
What do you just walk into store with a knex rod and say " got any springs that are 1 inch and fit around this not to big or small?"
cowscankill says: Mar 26, 2007. 2:19 PM
hey, remember whn i said i am going to make tghe red impact on my birthday? well, saturday was my birthday. i got 4 buckts! so, on sunday, i made it. i love your gun man
Danny says: Feb 28, 2007. 11:08 AM
omg i just realised i had the hopper on the wrong way! thats why the red rods keep falling out when i shoot, silly me
Perfect Duck (author) says: Feb 11, 2007. 1:26 PM
The loading arms have an important function. When working with launching longer rods like red-size, you have to realise that the tips are actually wider than the long, middle part. When allowed to slide against one another, the tips of the rods will almost surely collide, resulting in a large loss of momentum and the ammo in your hopper to jump around. The loading arms prevent this by lifting rods safely away from the one ready to be fired.
rods.bmp
NineInchNails in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 12, 2007. 7:21 PM
err wuts that?
Mepain in reply to NineInchNailsFeb 18, 2007. 7:08 PM
its an example of how the ends of the rods will interlock, causing the rods to participate in the same manner explained by perfect duck.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to MepainFeb 27, 2007. 10:25 AM
Bumping this comment up, because someone thinks the gun is fine without the loading arms and I beg to differ. The collision of the ends of rods against each other totally destroy the performance of the gun. It's by far a stronger and cleaner shot when they are individually loaded.
Dikkerd says: Feb 26, 2007. 12:42 AM
hey great gun good distance, only problem is the the hopper drop 2 red rods in instead of one do you know how to fix this thanks
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to DikkerdFeb 26, 2007. 2:10 AM
With your description, I don't know enough to fix it. All I can say is that if it's exactly like mine, that shouldn't be happening. It should work like the three pictures of the final step.
Dikkerd in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 27, 2007. 5:50 AM
sorry for that, what i meant was when i pull back it drops the pins down then when i push forwards again it leaves 2 rods and picks the rest up, but if i just leave it back fires fine and don't need to reload so all in all it a great gun thanks =)
cowscankill says: Feb 23, 2007. 4:25 PM
can you post on my site how to make a trigger? it makes me shoot more accuretlly. :)
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to cowscankillFeb 26, 2007. 12:02 AM
There are dozens of instructables that show the same basic orange connector that blocks the path of the firing pin. Put one in the back and be creative. I'm lazy. :P
cowscankill says: Feb 23, 2007. 4:21 PM
how do you replace the spring with rubberbands? If you tell me, ill rate it and build it :)
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to cowscankillFeb 23, 2007. 10:48 PM
First step, fourth picture shows the rubber band alternate.
cowscankill in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 24, 2007. 11:57 AM
hmm... i might need more pieces lol. i've seen most guns, and haven't built most of them. on my birthday, when i get pieces, HELLO RED IMPACT!!!
Never Turn Your Back On A $ailor says: Feb 23, 2007. 5:56 PM
Hey when are you going to post your mg
bunduk says: Feb 23, 2007. 2:01 PM
outhey check this semi auto
oodalumps says: Feb 11, 2007. 1:40 PM
I really want to make this gun, but I don't understand the benefit of the spring?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to oodalumpsFeb 11, 2007. 4:52 PM
I suppose the spring unit in the middle of the gun is not entirely necessary to have a working, firing replica of my gun. BUT it helps the performance in a couple ways. The grey rod and orange connector that you pull back have a greater total mass than the red rods it fires. By colliding the two together, the grey rod will still have leftover inertia. Once I fired a prototype and had both the red and the grey fly out the front end, the orange connector that held onto the grey rod having let go and flung sky high. It needs something to safely stop it and to absorb the leftover force. Something that doesn't slow down the acceleration of the pile driver, because velocity is what matters. The spring-loaded blue rod only reduces the speed of the red rod projectiles by about 2%. I can explain this with physics. Also, with the spring returning the blue rod back to its starting position, nothing is in the way for the red rods to drop down into position, ready to fire. I suppose this second part isn't necessary if you use a trigger and pull it back before loading the ammo. I hope that helped explain.
-insertnamehere- in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 21, 2007. 9:47 PM
ooooohhh...all that explaining makes my head hurt ;) Real nice gun!
oodalumps in reply to Perfect DuckFeb 13, 2007. 7:54 PM
Ok, cool. I made it and I understand it's purpose lol. From watching your video (before i made the gun) I was confused about how you stopped the firing pin from exploding (a huge problem with all my guns). But it seems like you got a great solution to that, I think i'll incorporate it in a future design.
oodalumps says: Feb 21, 2007. 4:28 PM
I'm trying to ude the energy transfer design from this gun on another gun, but the the connectors on the blue rod break EVERY time I shoot it. =( I tried super-gluing the parts together but not even that holds.
I'm using a rubberband instead of a spring(don't have one), could that be the problem?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to oodalumpsFeb 21, 2007. 5:05 PM
Yes. You're absolutely right. Try using your hands to press into the firing pin, to test what it looks like during the split-second that it impacts. With a spring, it looks like the pictures below and the grey connector holds up just fine. With rubber bands, that grey connector is either being ripped off from the rubber bands holding it in place, or it is blasted off as it strikes against the (presumably white connector) beginning of the ammo hopper. I wish I had an easy fix besides 'go and get a spring'... My first suggestion to try would be to stop the firing pin before it is able to press into the rod that far, by having connectors way in the back, but then you have the exploding orange connector problem again... Working with high power for more than a basic single-shooter, and keeping it all efficient, is very tricky...
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sgtsock34 says: Feb 15, 2007. 2:56 PM
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Perfect Duck (author) says: Feb 14, 2007. 12:42 PM
This has only been up one week, and I've already gotten so many positive comments. I gotta thank everybody for being so supportive. This was my first instructable after all.
sgtsock34 says: Feb 14, 2007. 7:32 AM
how did you get the youtube video on it? and its a awesome gun
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to sgtsock34Feb 14, 2007. 12:39 PM
Instructables makes it very simple to embed shockwave flash videos into your projects. It's really as easy as adding a hyperlink, the buttons are there. All you have to do is provide your video's url. Also, if you have a YouTube account, it provides you with html code to stick the video in other sites.
KILLERK says: Feb 13, 2007. 10:38 PM
i like the design of this gun it is very unique w/ all the designs and ideas floating around out there it makes me want to build! good work
NineInchNails says: Feb 12, 2007. 7:17 PM
hey i just finished making ur gun. its really really good. however, i have a problem with your firing pin: the orange/brown connector piece always flies up when i add more than 2 elastics. I think my problem may be because i used your rubber band variation rather than the recommended spring. help?
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to NineInchNailsFeb 13, 2007. 3:36 PM
You're right in thinking a spring would help more against these extreme forces. What's happening is that the added elastics increase the power so much that the firing pin is reaching the limit of its travel space and the orange connector is striking against a grey. A spring in the middle won't give as much as rubber bands would. The gun performs admirably without extreme amounts of rubber band, but hey, you're like me :D. Aside from superglue, duct tape or a tan clip connector to hold that orange piece in place, I can offer one other tip. Double the rubber bands over and have their knots fit snugly inside the orange connector's holes, rather than the other end. (See picture) This seems to help that problem a whole lot.
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hobo lord says: Feb 12, 2007. 6:44 PM
Your right they do loose there areodynamics quickly, I wish we could somehow rifle the barrels to gyroscopically stabalize it to fly point first without flights or weighted tips.
lowe bros says: Feb 12, 2007. 6:24 PM
i really like this gun and im hoping to post a shot gun as well.
sgtsock34 says: Feb 12, 2007. 2:36 PM
kool
me says: Feb 11, 2007. 7:46 AM
woow awesome gun dude. I just made it and it works perfectly, only you can do it without the loading arms and then you have a better gun it'll still shoot and you don't have to reload. it's really awesome, nice work
Mepain says: Feb 10, 2007. 7:45 PM
yeah, very nice gun i made it and like the firing system a lot. its very unique. muy bien, mi amigo. !tu eres muy inteligente tambien! thats spanish for "very good, my friend. you are also very intelligent!" i think
oodalumps says: Feb 10, 2007. 12:50 PM
Looks good. I don't like the fact that it doesnt have a trigger (but one can easily be added), I think this is the cleanest looking multi-shooter i've seen.
agent harmsy says: Feb 8, 2007. 10:43 PM
i like the mood lighting on the intro pic. nice gun! :)
crestind says: Feb 8, 2007. 6:10 PM
This gun seems to be very well designed, not to mention it looks like my AST Rifle :) It has innovative features and seems to have good power. The instructable is also great, with clear pictures and instructions. Good job!
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to crestindFeb 8, 2007. 7:54 PM
Thank you very much.
zero0928 says: Feb 8, 2007. 7:05 PM
How far does this shoot and how acurate is it??
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to zero0928Feb 8, 2007. 7:47 PM
I once equipped it with one of the extremely heavy rubber bands that artists use to hold paper against their easels. The problem is that no gun that fires red rods can get more than 40ft or so because the red rods have time to spin in the air and a sideways-flying rod is not aerodynamic at all. UNLESS you attach stabilizer fins to the rods to prevent this from happening, as is the case with KILLERK's sniper rounds. This gun isn't compatible with them :( . You ask how accurate it is? When I fire it, at a range of 10 feet, 95% of rods strike within a 3-inch radius of intended target.
Danny says: Feb 8, 2007. 12:36 PM
oh and another thing it loads 2-3 in the bullet place at once so i only have to press the thingy that stops all the ammo every 3 shots which is a good thing and it doesnt jam
zero0928 in reply to DannyFeb 8, 2007. 3:04 PM
Hey! awesome gun but i have a quesion, on step four the two black conectors (like hinges) are they nessesary? is they arent then wut should i substiute em with i only have one of em
zero0928 in reply to zero0928Feb 8, 2007. 7:04 PM
Are you sure you are getting what pice im saying its the black peice on step four pic 2 you use two of them there ( i ahve one of them and another blue peice witch ataches onto it.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to zero0928Feb 8, 2007. 7:32 PM
OHH!! Haha, it was that obvious and I totally misread. Their purpose is to wedge themselves between the K'nex rods, and they are the only pieces that remotely resemble wedges. They're thin enough to pass, at least. Micro K'nex may work... But really, if you're okay with even further mutilation, you could sand down a dark grey connector until its end is thin enough.
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to zero0928Feb 8, 2007. 3:43 PM
Wow, um... the front of mine uses ten of these, and two more are in the handle. I don't know how to incorporate the loading arms without at least two, and the only way for it to load one at a time is with four. Yes, you can use loading arms without using any, but they wouldn't be low enough to make their existence purposeful. The hopper could be redesigned to not require the six that hold it in place... Mine swivel, but I suppose a (slightly cumbersome) attachment off the side could be built that presses the two lifting arms inward, rotating horizontally rather than vertically. I gotta think on this.
Vertigo666 says: Feb 8, 2007. 6:34 PM
great gun! too bad i don't have nearly enough peices for it..
anotherkill says: Feb 8, 2007. 4:43 PM
"Wow, i just made this gun and it sucks" was my first impression, then i bent out the broken grays, and this gun destroys. Im still bad at it because there is a hole in my dry wall.
Danny says: Feb 8, 2007. 12:34 PM
this gun is my fave on the whole flippin site!!! man u r a good knex gunsmith you are on my mental notepad of fame....
Perfect Duck (author) in reply to DannyFeb 8, 2007. 4:37 PM
Thanks!
microman171 says: Feb 8, 2007. 12:04 PM
Haha u were soo close!! This gun is awsome. I would make it but u hae to ruin peices :(
Danny says: Feb 8, 2007. 9:48 AM
you are very smart.
smidge147 says: Feb 8, 2007. 9:06 AM
this gun is kewl and well thought out i like it and i will build it now (i got the first comment)!!!!
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