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Refill Disposable Propane Tank from a Standard BBQ Cylinder

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I refill my littles 1 pound propane bottles from a big one. I'm going to show you how...
 
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Step 1: Safety First & Disclaimer

Disclaimer : Whenever there is propane there is risk. If you decide to refill your propane tanks yourself, you have to understand that you do it at your own risk. These cylinders aren't DOT approved for refilling. This means that you can't take your cylinders to the local propane-equipped service station and have them refilled. That's against the law. And refilled cylinders can't be sold commercially. And commercial operators can't transport refilled cylinders across state lines. There are all sorts of limitations and potential liabilities associated with refilling these cylinders. It's perfectly legal to refill them for personal use, however.

There is some safety precautions that you have to take when refilling your disposable propane cylinders and you will need to handle it properly and observe all the best-practice safety protocols.

#1 Always do the refill process outside.

#2 Never smoke during the entire process.

#3 Be sure there is no open flame in the area.

#4 Wear safety glasses and protection gloves for added safety.

Again, I am not responsible for any accident that can happen when you refill your own disposable propane tank.

Step 2: What you will need

First you will need a propane tank refill adapter from Mr.Heater also called Mac Coupler. They are easy available on the Internet on Ebay or on the Cabela's Web Site.

Link for Ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=propane+refill&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Link For Cabela's : http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0013259512325a.shtml

You will also need a standard propane tank at least 50% full, empty disposable cylinder, a kitchen scale an a notepad to keep track of the weight of your cylinders. For added safety I also recommend safety glasses and gloves (not show on the picture)
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pmally5 years ago
you know there's a little shrader valve in the side of most of thoes tanks so you can get the AIR out of the tank when your filling it any propane tank has a bleeder valve, that's how you get the tank full even if you had a propane pump to help fill it up
pcooper2 pmally20 days ago

There shouldn't be any "air" (nitrogen+oxygen+carbon dioxide+water vapor) in the propane cylinder. It should be 99.999% propane and other flammable petroleum gases. If there's air in the cylinder, it needs to be purged before putting the cylinder to use.

pcooper2 pmally20 days ago

There shouldn't be any "air" (nitrogen+oxygen+carbon dioxide+water vapor) in the propane cylinder. It should be 99.999% propane and other flammable petroleum gases. If there's air in the cylinder, it needs to be purged before putting the cylinder to use.

J57ltr pmally2 years ago
It's not a bleeder it is a safety vent for DOT regulations.
sconner1 J57ltr2 years ago
Correct. The valve is to vent excess pressure so the tank won't burst.
The valve may have been used to bleed air on the first factory fill.
But as you use the original fill, propane gas exits only. No air enters the tank.
The "air" in the tank is simply leftover Propane gas at a pressure of approx 1 atmosphere.
To vent this gas is wasteful and you run the risk of overfilling the cylinder too.
What happens then? As the temperature rises the pressure valve releases the extra, wasting more gas.
sconner12 years ago
Chilling is unnecessary.
Hook up a full tank (under high pressure) to an empty tank (under less pressure relative to the full one) and open the valve between them and the pressures will equalize. Some of the contents of the full tank are forced into the empty one until the pressures are equal. Close the valve and disconnect. Done.
lime3D sconner12 years ago
The instructions on the adapter specifically say to chill the empty tank.
sconner1 lime3D2 years ago
Thereby lowering the pressure some more allowing a little more to be drawn in from the fill tank.
If one wanted to go overboard they could use a vacuum pump on the empty tank first. But that may cause it to overfill, who knows.
lime3D sconner12 months ago

Show us a SINGLE photo of an over pressurized and burst disposable tank.

sconner1 lime3D2 months ago
Because of the possible damage and death, overfilling is just not worth the little bit extra. Be safe, live long, and prosper.
johnsned514 years ago
OK, bottom line. I'm a propane supplier and I honestly hate this idea, but I'm also realistic enough to know that people will still do it, whether I like it or not.

#1 Do not, under any circumstances, a cylinder to 100 %! Propane has a high temperature/volume expansion rate. Too full when cold means it pops off when it goes hydrstatic (liquid full @ high pressure). 85% MAXIMUM!!!
#2 propane expands at a ratio of 1 to 270 when it goes from a liquid to vapor. Stack up 270 of those little cylinders in your trunk behind where your kids ride in the car on a good hot day.
#3 There is a technical explanation as to why you find half full 1# cylinders in the forest, I mean besides the fact they are wasteful litterbug jerks.
It goes like this, If you know the physical properties of propane, you know that propane appliances burn propane vapor. At atmospheric pressure propane is a vapor. At -44 degrees it is a "0" pressure liquid. Pressurize propane in a tank and you can keep it liquid at higher temperatures. Think thermodynamics. Small tanks, small volume, gas cools in cylinder faster, chills gas to -44, no vapor, no burn. No burn, must be out of gas, throw away 1/2 full tank. (yes, I've seen it! Over and over!)
Big tank, big  volume,gas cools slower, doesn't get to -44, burn hotter longer

Better yet, just don't do it. state an federal agencies do'nt write rules to "big Brother" us. They may seem misguided sometimes but they really want us tobe safe

I always think of compressed gasses as the perfect vehicle for a Darwin moment. That I survived adolescence (OK, young adulthood, too - I'm a slow learner. ) was purely due to my good fortune. But passing laws against being stupid is just wasting your time.

You're observations are correct. I've seen 1-pound cylinders develop frost on them when both burners on the camp stove are wide open. As the expanding gas chills the cylinder, the gas pressure drops and the stove heat output starts dropping, although it doesn't quit completely. I like to pick up other folks' discarded "empties" and put them to use on my propane appliances to get every last bit of usable fuel out of them.

The small, disposable cylinders are handy for picnics and camp-outs, but if one wants to do some serious cooking, an 11-pound or 20-pound cylinder is a better choice, since their larger surface area makes them less likely to chill to the point of freezing.
To johnsend51 : why dont you learn how to write. Your negative comment gave me a headache trying to comprehend what you are trying to say.
Here's the dummies version:
#1&2
Gasses expand with temperature.
If Nit-wit fills a tank's total volume with liquid gas under pressure, there's no room for it to expand.
Tank bursts.
Ouchy.

#3
As Nit-wit uses the gas in the cylinder quickly, more liquid evaporates cooling the rest of the liquid because of the same physics air conditioners work on.
The rest of the liquid gets so cold that it won't evaporate any more.
Nit-wit discards half full cylinder.
Half full tank has time to warm up again.
Smart guy picks up half full cylinder.
Litter Bad.
Free Propane Good.
Well, Jcwtexas, it's not johnsned51's fault that you can't read and / or have no scientific education. His post was totally readable to me and is not negative. It's informative.

This is a dangerous thing to do. There is a good reason that these cylinders are not rated for refilling. They are designed for 1 use, but are over spec'd for safety. It's that safety margin that you are playing with.

Have you ever seen the sort of explosion and the devastation that one of these can cause, it can easily kill.

So if you’re going to refill, then having more info is very valuable. It could save your life. So if you do not understand the info passed on here, do not refill any cylinders. Or, rather do, and rid the gene pool of yourself.
I agree with AfricanMystic and johnsned51, I have an adaptor for filling the 1 pounders and I am going to toss it - It is much easier and safer and in the long run probably cheaper to just go and buy the 1 pounders on sale at a discount store!
I don't think this is proper English: His post was totally readable. Legible maybe? or understandable?
Dodge jcwtexas3 years ago
Read it with a Hank Hill voice. It's easier to understand that way.

Jaykaying, Johnsned51, jkjk...
I actually learned something. Thank you.
Snidely704483 months ago

Harbor Freight Tools sells the necessary adapter.

http://www.harborfreight.com/propane-bottle-refill-kit-45989.html

Jeffster2 years ago
Just found this link.... not sure about the availablity of these but it looks like a solution down the road.

http://www.allpropanemowers.com/v.php?pg=232
pcooper2 Jeffster11 months ago
Interesting, but the valve is incompatible with camp stoves, lanterns, torches, etc. It may have limited usefulness for propane-powered engines.
pcooper211 months ago
In the early 1980s, Cleanweld Turner offered their LP1501 propane refill adapter that worked far, far better than the stubby thing offered by Mr. Heater, shown in this instructable as a "Mac Coupler". It was intended to be used with their LP4585 refillable propane cylinder — the tall, narrow type typically used with propane torches. This cylinder had a hex-nut relief valve that could be operated with a small wrench. Disposable cylinders have a recessed valve stem that can only be operated with needle-nose pliers, or a special valve core tool that can reach deeper than the ones used on automobile valve stems. The main feature of the LP1501 was that it kept the cylinder being refilled upright, with the relief valve topmost, so one could bleed gas off while filling and get a 100% fill each time. The instructions that came with the L4585 cylinder said to weigh it after filling and bleed off gas until the net weight of propane did not exceed 13 oz. For a nominal 1 lb cylinder, that represents an 81.3% fill, leaving some headroom for gas expansion if the cylinder were left in a warm room or car trunk, without having the relief valve open at an inconvenient time.

Cleanweld Products, Inc. sold their Turner division to Cooper Industries in 1984 and the product line was folded into Cooper Tools in Raleigh, North Carolina. Sadly, their refill adapter and refillable propane cylinder disappeared from the market not long after that. I've attached a photo of my Cleanweld Turner refillable cylinder and adapter for your enjoyment, purchased sometime around 1981-1982.
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mgordon81 year ago
This is a very unsafe Idea. Propane cylinders have vapor and liquid propane in them. The liquid is at the bottom and if you use this method, you will more than likely be putting only liquid into the "refill" cylinders. Cylinders must have vapor in them for safety. Please be smart and stop doing this.
All propane cylinders have liquid propane into them, the gas is there as a result. It's actually quite hard to accidentally fill a propane bottle with just liquid, you'll almost always end up with gas in there because the pressure differential will drop off and stop forcing liquid in, and gas will evaporate to fill the empty space. So doing it like this is quite safe as long as you don't freeze your skin off.
this is still a bloody stupid idea, these containers are not dot certified for refilling because they don't have the kind of fittings and safety valves that 22 pounders have. the threat of the liquid propane is very real, liquid propane evaporates at a rate faster than liquid nitrogen, this is often expedited by the gas being combustible and downright explosive at the quantities that liquid propane allows.

just to give you an idea there was a house near mine that exploded because the basement filled with propane gas, they didn't find a single piece of the house bigger than a foot in the mile radius that the debris fell. nor did they find any of the remains of the 3 people in the house bigger than the same size. the amount of liquid propane filling a tenth of that container could fill the same basement 20 times over. to add to this you are putting stress on the valves by putting liquid propane through it, it will fail eventually.
yyyyyyyyep. I'm out. Thanks.
ironLes41 year ago
were can you find the adapter?
Harbor Freight Tools has them for 20.00.
twhite1015 years ago
How about warming it, then releasing the pressure then do this step. This should make more of a vacuum in this tank.
how about spending the money for a propane tree and extension hoses that attach to your large tank, then you can run your lantern, stove, tent heaters and the like off of your large tank and stop wasting time with this nonsense of collecting small tanks and refiling them. Here is a link, but I'm not advertising lol. look around the net for your best buy. http://www.amazon.com/Texsport-30-Propane-Distribution-Tree/dp/B000P9CZXQ
I have a propane tree that I use for camping and I think it is great. It is nice not having to worry about changing out the small tanks half way through cooking a meal.

one word of advice if you are going to use the propane trees ..

You do not want to leave propane pressurized in the rubber hose. It will cause the rubber to release an oil that will gunk up you propane devices. When you are done using the propane shut the tank off first and let the device burn off the propane that is in the hose. Once the flame goes out it is safe to turn the device control knob to the off position
I have one of the propane trees.. very expensive and can be a pain sometimes..

Wall*Mart $20

yes you have to have some extension hoses too, I think refilling partial mini tanks is a pain too. you have to weigh the difference in your situation. Everything about camping is a pain except the relaxing by the fire lol

:)
Not everyone wants to carry a 20 lb tank and plumbing for a overnight backpack outing.
Refilling small cylinders at home makes more sense for some.
rvirag5 years ago
Chilling the cylinder is better than releasing the pressure. Releasing the pressure wastes gas, causes pollution and a fire hazard. Unburned propane is heavier than air, and its release contributes to ozone production, which eventually adds to global warming. Chilling the cylinder is safer and conserves propane gas.
sconner1 rvirag2 years ago
Ozone in the upper atmosphere protects us from excess UV rays.
Ozone near the ground is called smog.
Ozone is not produced by releasing or burning Propane/LNG.
Ozone is not a greenhouse gas.
Global warming is a political hoax.
Propane is non-toxic, non-caustic and will not create an environmental hazard if released as a liquid or vapor into water or soil. If spilled in large quantity, the only environmental damage that may occur is freezing any organism or plant life in the immediate area.
AND
Propane is not considered a greenhouse gas.
source:http://www.propane101.com/propanegreenenergyfuel.htm

And my addition: Propane occurs naturally in the atmosphere, I believe, much like methane, which is a greenhouse gas.
I beg to differ about your statement...here is a direct quote from your link:

Propane Liquid

Propane exists in its liquid form at or below its boiling point (-44°F) as well as when it stored under pressure. To further explain, if the temperature outside is -45°F, propane will be a liquid and you would be able to pour it out of a bucket. But as soon as the temperature rises to -44°F, the propane begins to boil and thus give off vapor. If the temperature outside is colder than -44°F, propane exists as a liquid. It's still propane but it looks a lot like water while at this cold temperature. It's colorless, odorless and tasteless...but who would take a drink of a any liquid that is 45 degrees below zero? Who would stick their finger in a glass of anything that is 45 degrees below zero? Holding a handful of ice can be quite uncomfortable (or painful) after some time but think how painful it would be if that handful of ice was almost 75 degrees colder.

Because propane boils at a temperature that is over 70 degrees lower than the freezing point of water, it has the ability to freeze skin tissue in a very short period of time (severe frostbite). The temperature properties of liquid propane are such that being aware of possible danger when dealing with propane in its liquid state is extremely important.

Propane Vapor

Propane becomes a vapor at temperatures above -44°F. Similar to water when it boils and gives off steam, propane gives off vapor when it boils. One may refer to propane vapor as "flammable steam" for simplicity. However, for the propane vapor to be ignited, there must be the right mix of air and vapor. Propane vapor is heavier than air and will sink to and collect in the lowest point it can find. If propane is vented to the outside air, it will quickly dissipate with the slightest movement of air. Conversely, if propane is vented into an air tight structure with no air movement, the propane vapor will collect on the floor and rise vertically if more propane is vented into the structure.

This is extremely important to know because if there is a propane leak in a house or building, the propane vapor will seek the lowest possible point where it will collect. Keep in mind that one gallon of propane will produce over 36 cubic feet of vapor and this vapor will settle in the lowest possible place. If the propane vapor level continues to rise, it may ignite if finds a source of ignition. The weight of propane vapor being heavier than that of air is a characteristic of propane gas that needs to be understood by all LP Gas users, not just propane companies and their employees.


 


so this means it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE in temperatures above -44*f  to just "spill" propane. it would evaporate either before OR upon hitting the ground. Propane IS toxic, IS caustic, and DOES pollute (touche though on one point that it is less pollutant by much more than gasoline, but it is still a pollutant), will freeze ANYTHING it touches. THIS DOESNT COUNT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF AN ACCIDENTAL SPARK WERE TO COME DOWN ON THE PROPANE!!!

Another thing to note...propane expands to 270X its original volume from a liquid. so you would see a considerable explosion/fireball if you were to ignite it. even hinting that propane is not dangerous is wrong and irresponsible.
It's the lack of ozone that is causing global warming. thats why ozone depleting agents aren't used as propellants in cans anymore.
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