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1. Do NOT unsolder the pins. You may damage the circuit board. Instead, just cut the pins about mid way, to detach the circuit board. Why? See Note1 below.
Putting it back:
Use a 35W-40W small soldering iron with small, thin and sharp tip.
Wrap then solder short thin wires to all the solder points at the device side, not to the circuit board. Naturally, use insulated and thin small wires.
Align the board and solder the cut pins together. This holds the board in place, for physical strength as well. Use more solder on the pins for mechanical strength.
If you cannot access the inner pins. Leave them unsoldered.
Now solder all the short thin wires to the circuit board, copper foil side. All of them. The added wires help electric connectivity in case the solder on pins develops cracks. (There is whole lot of shaking!).
As you can see, the inner pins that you did not solder, now has connectivity via the wires.
Electric current is small, about 80mA, you can use as small a wire as you can. Make sure it is insulated though. Again, lots of shaking may rub away too thin an insulation.
2. Use Xacto knife (or small thin knife) to scribe along the 2-halves on the inside of the screw-in head portion.
This helps to ply open the 2-halves without cracking the thin plastic there. The smoother that plastic is, the better. The vibrating magnet of the brush head rests very close to it.
3. When gluing the 2 halves together, use rubber bands to hold them together. Use your finger to smooth out or clean out the glue inside of the screw-in head area. Make it as smooth and clean as possible.
4. I would not recommend silicone glue.
It has ammonia. The acid attacks circuit elements and creates corrosion on circuit boards.
Best is use acid free glue ("do not harm photo" type).
One good example is Scotch Quick Drying Tacky Glue by 3M.
You can get it at Micheal's or other arts suppliers.
I use acrylic caulking, and use drops of Scotch Tacky Glue on corners and pressure areas to help holding the halves tight.
The acrylic caulking inside the screw-in area is much easy to clean out, yet water tight. It would be a mistake to glue this special area tight. If you open it again, the tightness may break the thin plastic here. All you need here is water tight, not glue tight.
5. Use 800mAh or higher NiCad, **NOT** NMH, Nickle Metal Hydride, battery. (Original is 700mAh NiCad.)
NMH will work but you need to have the brush on charge constantly.
Why not, when you can get cheap 2000mAh NMH battery? See Note2.
You can buy cheap AA 800mAh NiCad at Harbor Fright, www harborfreight com.
6. Normal AA has no tabs for soldering. You can add your own.
Battery is sensitive to heat, be careful.
Here's how:
Charge the battery first so that you can test after you finish repairing.
Add tape to the positive end, around the positive protruding tab, but not the positive pole tab itself. The side around the tab may have metal which is negative pole!!! You may short the battery by accident. Taping prevents this.
File/sand the positive tab rough and shiny, or when it shows copper. Do the same on the negative pole.
With a 100W-150W iron, solder a bare wire (24-18 gauge) to the poles of the battery. Or you can pull the flat soldering tabs out from the old battery and reuse them.
How to solder it to battery:
Wet the soldering iron tip (melt very small amount of solder on it.) The melting solder on the iron helps to transfers heat fast.
Add solder to the battery pole with hot iron. When solder melts, remove iron, fast. Keep it under 10 seconds. Or let the battery cool down and do it again.
Now add solder to the wire as well.
Put the two together and add solder. The solders on the wire and battery melt together quickly. This helps to limit hot iron contact to less than 5 seconds most of the time.
Tape the contact wires for now.
Cut the contact wires to appropriate length when you put it in the battery cavity. (Length should slightly overlap the pins from the circuit board, to help soldering and mechanical strength.)
7. You need to clean out the battery cavity of the handle as much as possible (rid of the epoxy glue). It is a tight fit. Clean much more at both ends of the battery cavity, for easy slide-in of the battery.
8. Solder all other pins first.
Keep the battery tabs taped. Battery tabs are to be soldered last.
9. After all done and tested, THEN glue the battery in place.
Tip: Can screw the brush assembly to 1/2 of handle for testing.
10. Wait over night; allow vapor from glue to dissipate, before gluing the 2-halves back. (It would then be airtight trapping all vapors.)
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Note1:
The circuit board is 2-copper-layer type with through holes. That means the hole is copper plated in the inside wall.
Difficult to desolder and clean out solder. You may damage the copper trace or the board instead.
Note2:
NiCad has much lower internal resistance. That is, the voltage can remain flat for prolong operation (maintaining constant voltage).
NMH, though has much higher capacity, the voltage slopes down as it depletes.
Furthermore, the operational voltage of NiCad is higher, at 1.25V, compared to 1.20V of NMH.
The difference is as high as 0.1V using 2 batteries.
The circuit is designed for a flat voltage at 1.25Vx2=2.50V. If it falls below that, the circuit 'thinks' it needs charging. It blinks or may even refuse to work.
You can overcharge the NMH, to higher initial full-charge voltage beyond the normal 2.40V. It fools the circuit that the voltage is high enough. That is why you need to keep NMH always on charge, if you use it instead of NiCad.
It is not the battery's fault. It is the design that specifically to use NiCad.
I am 79 years of age and over my head in replacing battery for Sonicare Elite 9500. Per instructions, I replaced battery. And Sonicare still doesn't work. Could I send it to somebody who could be so kind as to find out problem and try to get it working. I would be forever grateful.
Ken
Here is an alternative.
I bought from Walmart a Sonicare using replaceable AA batteries. It is about US$32-36. You replace the 2 AA by unscrewing the bottom cap. It uses the same brush head. Now you can reuse your old brush head. No waste.
No more rechargeable problems. And you can use external rechargeable as well.
The external-battery-Sonicare is also perfect for travel. I no longer need to bring the charger, and no fear of bad battery while traveling.
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Re: Replace battery but still not work.
I encountered this initially, and wasted a set of batteries.
The solution for me is to fully charge the batteries FIRST, before installing. Then, before gluing, screw the brush head to the 1/2 of the of brush (yes, it can). Test it. Then glue the 2 halves together. (Or, you can use rubber band to hold the 2 halves together for the test.)
As mentioned elsewhere here, there is a 'battery gauge' built into the electronic chip that needs to be reset after changing battery. My way (full charge before install) is simpler and seems to work so far. Otherwise, do the Reset as mentioned in the blog.
The other one is my brush that I have had for 5 years. The oring was fine and there was no evidence of moisture on the inside. The batteries on both are fine, so it's not corrosion from a leaking battery.
Why do the boards turn black, especially on the one that was never used, and how do I clean them up??
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I, too, suffered the brush's short-cycle personality after replacing the battery. After charging, I lost a tick on the gauge on the third day and on the fourth it went to zero and sounded the three-beep low battery alert. If ignored after another day, there was still plenty of power but the brush would shut itself off mid-cycle and emit the single, long tone for deep discharge.
The battery reset procedure that appears on many sites, allegedly confided by Philips, is hogwash. The put-it-in-the-charger-and-press-the-power-button trick is described in the use instructions and only enables/disables the easy start power ramp for the comfort of a new user. Any correlation with battery charging or endurance is a fabrication or coincidence, at best. Also, the doomsday theory about Philips programming the death of the product is unfounded, as I am enjoying a nicely renovated Elite.
This may be the answer many are waiting for: Yes, there is a battery quality monitor/charge controller "gas gauge" and it can be reset. Exact design is not obvious, but it seems similar to Unitrode's bq2014. Some have reset it by accident but here is a deliberate method:
First, disassemble the brush if it's not already apart. We'll assume the battery has just been replaced, so drop the inner assembly into the charger and give it a full charge by the level gauge. Then, take it out and look at the board, just below the clear diffuser for the LED's. There will be two square pads near the word "reset". These are of interest. Also nearby is an oval pad labelled "vcc". Leave that one alone.
Next, secure the assembly in a padded vise or have someone hold it securely on the bench top while you press the "on" button and then jumper the two "reset" pads. This can very easily be done with probes from your voltmeter, allowing you to verify ~3.3 volts across the pads when the brush is "on", and then cross the probe tips and let them touch. So far, you will know two things: The gauge indicated a full battery when you switched the brush "on", and then the brush switched itself "off" when you shunted the reset pads.
Now, drop the thing into the charger again and you should see the gauge indicate an empty battery. Allow it to complete another charging cycle, which will take overnight, and then reassemble the brush. The recalibrated battery monitor should now offer a full reading for two or three days, gradually ticking-down over two weeks to the recharge signal, and then another three or four days before the deep discharge warning.
Advice here: Use silicon grease on the o-ring, not sealant or aqueous gels that turn to glue, like K-Y. The electrics are sustainable, as long as you can get to them, and there is no need or excuse for butchering the case. If it is fouled with pasty drool residue, run warm water over the joint and scrub with a toothbrush between attempts to jack the unit open. Once it starts moving, use no more water. The o-ring will do its job; just make sure the board and case interior are dry before reassembly.
I am able to select the various modes available as indicated by the LED's (cleaning, massage, etc. etc..)
I have also pressed the On/Off button for 5 seconds while the unit is on the charging base and heard 2 beeps (although this action now seems to alternate between the On/Off button and the Mode button??...)
The LED's light and the unit activates, the battery appears to hold a charge but it seems to be stuck in some kind of logic that I don't understand.
I have also pried out the negative end of the battery to remove all power to the circuit board but no change.
Can anyone tell me how to reset this unit properly or explain what it's doing?
And what my next steps could/should be?
Thanks for any help/information in advance.
One day I noticed one of my My FlexCare Toothbrush's seemed to have lost it's connection between the brush head and the motor armature. Since I've dropped it a number of times it seemed like a plausible situation. After learning how to open the toothbrush (thanks to this thread) I was surprised to discover that a couple of parts were missing! Considering how this this is built/designed and since I'm the only one living here I can only assume a house guest must have dropped it as well causing it to pop open and in the process it lost a couple of parts.
Can anyone direct me to a place for replacement items? Specifically I'm looking for the screw and V-shaped wedge that connects the armature to the head assembly (see image) I've checked out Sonicare's site but they don't seem to offer actual "parts" replacement items other than heads and chargers.
Thanks for any info.
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"FlexCare uses Lithium Ion batteries. The batteries will last for many years of regular use. The Lithium Ion batteries inside your FlexCare toothbrush cannot be replaced. However, when they no longer function, they are easily removed for disposal, along with the handle. These Lithium Ion batteries do not contain heavy metals like Cadmium in NICD batteries, so they are much less hazardous to the environment. But they do need to be disposed of safely.
Do not throw away your brush with normal household waste at the end of its life... [...Here was the instructions how to dismantle the unit and remove the battery for disposal...]"
The metal post on my HX6910 came loose and I want to see if I can fix it.
Thanks
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NiCads develop "wiskers" which can be fixed/destroyed by running higher than the normal voltage of 1.2v across them intermittently.
It is greener to try to fix it rather than replacing it.
In this instance it was also much easier than desoldering and replacing the battery.
I usually use a 5V wallbrick and some tape to attach leads from the 5V plug end.
I was able to fix mine with the battery in place. 1.3V after I "sparked" the bad cell with 5V.
Taking the sonicare apart was the most painful part. It was a bloody affair after the utility knife slipped.
The plastic also fractured. Now I have to make sure moisture does not get into it.
That being said, when I removed the guts to my handle I found that there was some corrosion on the bottom of the circuit board. The battery was fine, no corrosion showing on it, and there was no apparent moisture inside. I brushed off the corrosion, and the circuit board appeared to be in very bad shape (see photos).
I contacted customer service to see if it were possible to get a new board, and it is not. And since this unit is out of warranty they weren't going to do anything for me but offer a 15% discount off of a new one.
After complaining a while, and one escalation, they actually agreed to send me a whole new handle!
It now makes a (very) faint noise and most strangely the LEDs build up one by one until the entire bar is fully lit (all 5); then waits quite a while (2 mins?) and then everything goes out again.
Before that it held plenty of charge (~2 weeks?) so I'm pretty sure it's not the battery that needs replacing. Pried it open nevertheless and although the 'blackening' is not as progressed as on the picture above right, it sure looks very alike. I haven't de-soldered the battery (yet) so can't really say how the other side looks. Scraping off the blackness reveals it has eaten quite deep into the circuit board.
Not sure how long I have this thing ... must be over 5 years I think, I very much doubt Philips will offer a replacement. Thankfully I still have a (much less advanced) model that takes the same heads.
Great thread! Hope I can add some info and get a question answered.
I have a HX7500 Sonicare. I replaced the single sub A battery with an exact replacement NICd. Like everyone says a pain, but doable. (I worked as an electronic tech for quite some time, so not a newbie :-)
After replacing the battery and giving it a long time to recharge, it seems to run for a good many brushing cycles off the charger. (I always fully charged, then took it off the charger stand until the batteries were very low even though Philips says to leave constantly on charger.)
My HX7500 has the multi-LED row that is supposed to show battery charge level. However, no matter how long I leave it on the charger, when I remove it from the stand after 1-3 brushings it goes directly to the 1 amber LED "low charge" level. If I ignore this I will continue to get a large number of brushings. So it looks like the charge indicator really isn't measuring the battery, but maybe counting brushings. This seems likely since I have also read somewhere about the brush having a "learn mode" although I can't find that info now.
On this model, if I put it on the stand and hold down the ON/OFF button for a couple seconds it will toggle between emitting a single or a double beep. This is different than the sensitivity/ramp up mode which is on a second button on my model. I wonder if this could be putting the unit into or out of a learn mode? If so, what are the details of making it learn?
Also, inside the HX7500, there is a RESET pad. It is two adjacent solder pads meant to be shorted. I'm familiar with these from other devices and it would appear to be a manual processor reset. That did not solve the problem either.
I've tried multiple combinations of settings and charge cycles, but never seem to get the indicator LEDs to show brushings left.
Since the unit comes from the factory showing a relatively accurate reading I imagine they had another way of setting the unit.
BTW, I ordered three replacement batteries (Sanyo KR-1500AUL) from www.batterystation.com for $19 delivered by Priority Mail. They do have standard 1/4" solder tabs, so I had to add a short length of bare wire to connect to the 7500 circuit board.
Cheers!
CHOMOT: Excellent tip on how to open the case. "Rock back and forth" is the key! Takes some patience, but once the o-ring seal is cracked, it slides out easily!
holykal: Thanks for mentioning the processor reset. Since none of my LEDs were lit, my symptoms sure smelled like a confused CPU to me (and not battery-related).
WMUN: Thanks for mentioning the reset pad. Since I didn't know which pads might reset the processor, I took a chance and used my screwdriver to short various pads that were on the circuit board ("below" the battery, if handle held w/brush-side up). After about 6 seconds of trying the possible combinations, a press of the on-off switch resulted in one of the LEDs going on. It was like getting a new pony for Christmas. It recharged normally thereafter.
Summary:
1) e9800 seemed "dead"...LEDs would not illuminate no matter how long it was left in the charger.
2) Use rocking motion (not twisting) to easily access the "guts" of the handle.
3) Reset the CPU by removing power via short.
4) If none of your LEDs illuminate, it might be a glitch that is not related to failed batteries.
Boo-boo confessions, if you are interested:
a) Removed the rubberized portion of the handle to see if there was obvious access points underneath. Don't bother. See CHOMOT post instead.
b) Since the unit seemed "dead" (and not "limping"), I tried the Fonzi technique of giving the handle a few solid raps against the counter. If there are cold solder joints, or inadvertent shorts caused by residue build-up, sometimes the Fonzi trick works wonders. 'Course, I usually try this as a last ditch effort, I should have consulted Instructables first!
Thanks again everyone!
First off, Thank you for the direction and commentary on this subject.
While on vacation I had dropped my older sonicare and after that it did not work.
So, I decided to open it up like I normally do on things in general. This was before I came across these directions. I cut along the seam and opened it up. To my surprise two double AA batteries in some epoxy. I tested one and it read ok, but the other one was dead. So, I knew I had another older sonicare brush that I acquired because of my friend getting a newer one and this older one I thought would be a back up when my previous one went bad sometime in in the future. I knew it had worked before, but had not been charged for a 1 year or so.
When in my closet and put it on the charger..the light went on and the next day I decided to us it on my teeth. Guess what? It did not work. The light was on but nobody was home.
Tried to reset the the sonicare, but this did not either have the reset built in or maybe the reset event is different for the older ones. So I looked at both of them and thought I'm going to replace the batteries in this unit because the were both the same size I decided to go about the replacement of the batteries a little bit different.
The method here is good, but this to me after opening the first one did not seem piratical to open the whole brush to get at the batteries. To destructive for me. I decided to take measurements on the first one to calculate the exact spot where the batteries are and with the one that was not open, came from behind from the bottom up and cut the back side open at the top of the batteries and bottom. These two cuts would be parallel with the bottom of the sonicare base.
Next I cut one perpendicular and down the center between the two prevous cuts connecting them with this one cut. (Like an I beem)
This cut was made because of the epoxy that encased the batteries for easier removal of the outer case. Which would give me more sight on how to remove the batteries.
Next and very last I went across the mfg. seams to connect the first cuts.
So the whole cut was like a box with a single cut down the middle of the box with only the battery section half of the sonicare back side removed.
Then I took a screw driver's flat edge and placed it in between the second middle cut and twisted to remove the outer shell of the sonicare battery case.
It popped right off on one side and the other popped off after wedging the flat head of the screw driver between the outer sonicare case and the epoxy. Always keep in mind to try and hold the batteries so as not to stress the joints on the PCB board.
Now what I had left was the batteries and the epoxy that had not all the way been cut throw on the first cuts.
My biggest concern here was not to break the connection from the PCB board. So I cut throw the rest of the epoxy so the only thing left holding the epoxy and batteries were the connectors from the PCB board to the ends of the batteries. This left me room to gently pull the ends of the batteries closes to the bottom out enough to get a small flat head screw drive in for prying.
I then simply place a small flat head screw driver in between the contact spot metal weld points of the batter and rotated/twisted the end until the spot metal area on the tops of the battery released. Now I could pull out the two batteries and replace them. Note that you only have to break the spot weld on the batteries' top closes to the sonicare button. The bottom doesn't need the spot metal to be removed in order for you to remove the batteries form the sonicare compartment you have made.
I know this is a lot of info and pictures would cut down this to half or more. But this I found to be a much better solution then slicing the whole sonicare brush in half. You will now have to do some soldering and could make so you could put springs in to just pop in and out the batteries when they go bad.
I just decided to solder wires to the batteries and put a rubber band around it for now. I will do something to seal the PCB board from the outside so water and etc. will not get in. I just did this so everything works great on it now. I've charged it and it works great.
The reason why the second older sonicare brush did not work even throw the light came on but would not charge is because one of the batteries leaked over time. That's it. As far as the first one I dropped on vacation, I don't know. Maybe it damaged something inside.
REMEMBER this is for the older sonicare brushes and not the newer ones.
Not to say this would not work for the newer ones.
I hope this gives a different angle on how to replace the batteries and inspires others to fix theirs this way. Less destructive and still keeps the integrity of the sonicare brush in tact.
Best regards