Step 3: Boil Cream of Tartar

Washing soda can be slightly irritating to the skin and mucous membranes so it might be best to ventilate the area and wear gloves. Take out the washing soda and allow to cool for 5 minutes and prepare in a small saucepan 10 tablespoons of cream of tartar in 1 cup of water.


<p>You can do this reaction with bicarbonate directly it just takes more by weight since there is less sodium for the neutralization, and produces more CO2. Also by making washing soda you know it is anhydrous and its weight is correct for the reaction. Baking soda will gain some water weight which affects measurements.</p><p>I just did this to verify what my reading suggested. My initial method was (SLOPPY) simply dissolve some tartar in water and teaspoon baking soda into it till it stopped violently fizzing. I wanted to give this a shot to see if some peoples issues were balance related. </p><p>The crystals I generated the first time were just a mess with only a needle like growth, and all at once. The growth didn't happen till the volume was drastically reduced and it looked a lot more like freezing than crystallizing. </p><p>I re-dissolved and tested my solution and found the PH was quite basic(~9.5). I adjusted this by adding tartaric acid back into the liquor. Pure Rochelle salt in solution should be a little basic(~7-8) but not what I had. I recrystallized and the crystal habit now looks correct.</p><p>To play with the piezoelectric effect you should really have single monolithic crystals and identify which 2 surfaces are going to react electrically. Consider tinfoil, 2 foam blocks, alligator clips and a vice to make electrical contact.</p><p>This reaction can also be done using NaOH in place of the soda, but I see no real point in using a harder to find, more dangerous, chemical to do what baking soda will do just as well. </p><p>The chemistry of this</p><p>KC4H5O6 cream of tartar is an acid salt, which separates into the potassium ion and some stuff in water </p><p>We add an alkali with sodium ions like NaHCO3 sodium carbonate</p><p>We have a neutralization reaction and some typical products, salt and water. </p><p><strong>KC4H5O6 + NaHCO3 = KNaC4H4O6 + CO2 + H2O</strong></p><p>A handy link to the balanced equation and a molar mass calculator so you can plug in numbers and get weights out.</p><p><a href="http://www.webqc.org/balance.php?reaction=KC4H5O6%2BNaHCO3%3DKNaC4H4O6%2BCO2%2BH2O" rel="nofollow">http://www.webqc.org/balance.php?reaction=KC4H5O6%...</a></p>
Why do you have to use sodium carbonate for this experiment instead of bicarbonate? What happen if plain baking soda was used instead? I'm assuming it will not work to make Rochelle salts but I actually didn't come to this page learn how to make them. I just want to know what happens when you mix bicarbonate and bitartrate, chemically speaking. If somebody understand this chemical reaction can you please explain it? Thanks!
<p>Update: I have now come to the conclusion that I did not create this correctly. I have no idea what happened, but what I do know is that the substance is not piezoelectric (I determined that the millivolts reading I had was caused by my crappy multimeter. I know because it shows the same type of reading if put on metal when in the millivolts range. My only guess as to how this happened is that I purchased a defunked/bad quality multimeter). With that being said, do not even bother telling me that my &quot;crystal&quot; has been made incorrectly because I all ready know. However, I am entirely open to suggestions as to why/how this happened. As of now, I have started a new batch and am hoping they turn out all right. Again, awesome job on the instructable. </p>
<p>I would just like to say, great instructable! I made a batch of these today, but I am having some problems. First, I did no have enough cream of tartar so I sdcaled back the proportions. Second, when I measured them they were in the milliamps range. Note that they have not cooled for an entire day yet. Does It look like I did this correctly?</p>
<p>Hello thanks for the post, I wonder if the greater the greater applied pressure will be generated voltage or you could find a limit? theoretically I applied 20 tons (know it will break) would generate a higher voltage at the output?</p>
<p>I'm just curious, how did you measure the voltage on these crystals? Did you just stick multimeter probe at different spots on the crystal at the same time and pressing on it? I'm planning to make a project on this and see what kind of movement I can apply on crystals to generate current/voltage. thanks.</p>
<p>Thanks for all this information :) Im using about 67g of Cream of tartar in about 100ml of tap water. To make my Sodium Carbonate ive used red hot coals and a pie try filled with about a quarter inch of Baking Soda. I stirred it 25 mins in and checked it again at 45 mins which seems it was already done. The texture was more granular. I let it sit on the coals for about 80 mins total just to be safe. After removing from the coals there was a noticeable difference in appearance. Baking Soda has a shine to it and you can see some sparkle in it. With the Sodium Carbonate it was noticeably dull with no sparkles. After simmering the tartar and water i added the Sodium Carbonate and there were instant bubbles and it over flowed once... my bad. The liquid becomes clear after. After straining the fluid and dumping it back into the container for cooling &quot;fog&quot; started to grow on the container I dumped the hot liquid into. Just waiting for the liquid to cool enough to crystallize. Hopefully i can get one to start growing some. </p>
<p>Seems you really do have to boil it really good to concentrate it. Had a little sample on a spoon and was very viscous. So i torched it for a bit untill it almost stopped bubbling. Put it outside to cool an after there was crystals. I tried to crush one and almost broke the skin. I think i have accomplished this. </p>
<p>Note you can still buy sodium carbonate from amazon.com and maybe some dollar stores as well as walmart. But when I made my rochelle salt I bought one pound of potassium tartrate and poured it into about a quart or two of water. I added sodium carbonate in small amounts until it turned clear. It fizzes a lot and using a tall jar or large pickle jar is good so it does not fizz over. Once it is clear you don't need to add any more sodium carbonate. I got some a large metal strainer and place a coffee filter and strained it in a large bowl to make sure I got most of the excess carbonate and stuff out. Note it takes a while for two quarts of water to evaporate. So far I seeded a couple of small crystals that are slowly growing. </p>
I used store bought washing soda from an art supply store. I let the solution cool at room tempetature and stirred constantly at a leasurely pace.<br><br>Instead of forming crystals on top, the solution began to set up like concrete on the bottom of the glass container while I was stirring. The liquid was opaque, but I could hear and feel my spoon scraping against the growing rock. When I finally poored off the liquid, the rock was about a centimeter thick, with a pitted, uneven surface. <br><br>I tested the rock with a volt meter and it did show more voltage when I pressed harder with the probes<br><br>I don't have a pix on this device, but I will come back and include one tomorrow. For now, here's another picture to enjoy
These instructions don't seem to work for me. 7 hours later I still have a clear liquid in the fridge, no crystallization. Other instructions seem to think 2 hours at 300 is not enough to result in washing powder and suggest 4 hours. I think just adding that directly to the cream of tartar in simmering water also isn't echoed by other similar instructions. am I missing a step? If I added too much of the powder, would it still crystallize if additionally saturated (that's the only place I could've gone wrong, even had a helper chemistry student)? Any ideas or suggestions why im not seeing crystals?
Could someone please help me?! I made the solution and it has been on the refrigerator for more than a day, it has only become very dense and I need those crystals ASAP!!! Can someone tell me if there's something wrong with it, should i make more, is it a matter of time...?!?!?! Please!
<p>Put it in a less cold place. </p>
Is that made right?
<p>Is it possible to generate enough electricity to light up a LED using the crystals? Connecting them in series or with some capacitors?</p>
<p>I have a question. What generates more energy? PZT or Rochelle Salts?</p>
<p>can one influence the growth of such a crystal electricity, like a pulsed dc signal being sent through it?</p>
<p>At this step you are not reaching saturation but rather neutralization of the the cream of tartar solution that is why it stops fizzing (i.e. giving off CO2) after a certain amount of washing soda. </p>
<p> back in the 1970s cheap crystal earphones using &quot;rochelle salt&quot; were commonly available in electronics shops so I did know of it a long time ago .. but until now had no idea what rochelle salt is actually made of ... I only knew it was strongly piezoelectric.</p><p>another material you could probably try is PZT salvaged from a cigarette lighter </p><p>(the ones that use a small electric spark to ignite the gas)</p>
<p>Fantastic! Can I ask, what does &quot;9.6v after being tapped&quot; mean? Does it mean it genereates a single pulse? What happens if you press it for a longer time?</p><p>...and how is there any polarity in this, I mean where exactly do you measure?</p><p>Thank you!!! :-)</p>
One of the most awesome things i have seen so far, piezoelectricity here i come! thanks emdAniels
Congrats! You clearly put a lot of effort into this!
This is awesome! Maybe I'll screw around with these and see if I can't make mats with LEDs that light up when walked upon.
I think crystals are the technology of the future, simply because all known reality is composed of vibration-see Maxwell's Equations. Even solid matter is not solid. Therefore, certain crystals should do some pretty interesting things when resonated at the right frequency. <br> <br>Thanks for posting your project.. I must try it some time. <br>
Could you use it somehow inside wind turbines to replace generators ?
If you guys like this you should check out John Hutchinson's Crystal battery using Rochelle salts. its pretty cool
Whoa.. I was just thinking that It's so inexpensive to make. What if you were to create a large slab and place it in-between 2 concrete slabs the size of a single lane highway. You could put small grooves in the top slab to induce vibration as cars passed over it (like a rumble strip). Make enough for at least a &frac14; mile and wire them up in series / parallel (figure out what will give max power). Anybody know why this won&rsquo;t work ? Maybe the useful life of the crystal is too low and it will just shatter after a short time. If that is the case, maybe you could introduce an inert polymer into it to maintain structural integrity. Gosh if only I didn&rsquo;t have a day job and limited funds or I&rsquo;d be trying it right now 
Congratulations on your win! I'm front Ottawa as well =)
i tryed makeing some using collins video but it stoped fizing and it wasnt cleer it was yellowy color any idea why?
my mother wants to know if you color Rochelle Salt if you added food coloring? anyone know?
Brilliant ! have not come across this compound before, even though I have experience in crystal growing -much [ trial and error]:-) <br><br>Your recipe is very reliable, I do however have a ? Washing soda [na2co3.10h20] is a very accessible chem. Your calcination? method is logical but energy dependant? Na2Co3 has an R.A.M of 106.0 the decahydrate is 286.0 =[2.7] <br><br>if you use same proportions but use same scoop for both chems it work out well<br><br>Apologies if I am Saying what you are already aware of:-0
I'd like to see how you mount or connect these crystals to actually tap into the voltage generated.
wow. This has my head buzzing! Could you make a mini-alternator type generator, like to recharge a small battery for a little radio, or cell phone by putting many small crystals on a wire, and a wheel at equal distances, turn a crank to strike the crystals against a flywheel, to run electrical appliances? How about LED lights? Many options here!
yes with some imagination you can construct the things listed. Just keep in mind your results might not be what you expect. Even though stated on this instructable that a crystal could put off 9V it would take a large crystal with a large stressor. there is a reason why these crystal are typically used as sensors allot. The voltage output is too small to run a load but high enough for accurate readings. You might want to look into using it in combination with a BEAM Robotics project. <br>Hope your ideas are a success though and have fun.
Actually, the voltage output is high enough - 9.6 V is more than any USB-powered device uses! It's the current output that's too low to be useful (or, ultimately, the power).
Well the voltage out put is roughly 9.5V peak-to-peak AC shown is studies, so the actual rms value (DC volt equalent) will be 70.7% of that of one peak. one peak being 4.25 V max assuming this is a sine wave AC output. The voltage rms there for is 3.35V. This is less than the 5Vdc output of a USB cord. As for current you will need to determine the internal resistance of the crystal as well load resistance apply the total resistance into the ohms law formula and that will give you your current. the crystal itself creates a potentual difference (voltage) not current. you must have a complete circuit to have current.<br>
I wanted to add though that the use of a piezoelectric crystal as a energy source would be good in a BEAM application using a Miller Solar Engine or other similar engine, just replace the solar cell with the crystal. In this fashion you should be able to store up the needed energy to run a load. Experiment and Explore! :)
Thanks for the correction, wkoepp, and your point about piezos as a Miller Solar Engine power source made me wonder about their usefulness for energy storage.<br><br>And I'm not the only one! This study suggests efficiency can be as high as 95%!!! Wow!<br>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984PhDT.........9E<br><br>I wonder what the volumetric capacity of piezos is like... Can't find anything in a quick google.
ok so i've tried to do this twice using half of everthing and all i get is a pot of slushish stuff. Any idea of what im doing wrong?
Is the slushy stuff like a soft thing that covers the whole pan, leaving no liquid behind? If so I had the same exact problem. According to one of the listed sources for this experiment, there is a Cream of Tartar substitute that is often labeled as &quot;Cream of Tartar&quot; while it's not Potassium Bitartrate, which is what is needed for this experiment ( <em>real</em> Cream of Tartar ) . It appears that this is the result of using the substitute, because when I redid the experiment, doing almost the exact same thing, but with more expensive/different cream of tartar and it worked perfect...<br> Make sure to buy the more expensive cream of tartar and look at the label and see if it says anything about wine. If it is from a wine distillery or wine making place, it should be the real thing.<br> But just to be clear, if you added too much washing soda ( as in you kept adding it even when the solution didn't bubble when it was added ), then that could have easily caused a problem too...<br> Good luck, I hope it works out,<br> Jedi453
I had the same problem. It has still formed the Rochelle Salt crystals but they are just very tiny. I have a feeling this is due to contamination of putting too much soda at the very end, as I noticed by solution was not 100% clear at the very end, but had stopped fizzing. To fix it, I drained off the excess water, added a bit of water (maybe only half a cup approx) and reheated and melted the &quot;slush&quot; (Melting point of Rochelle Salt being 75C/176F). Solution was clear and formed larger crystals. I believe you can achieve even better results/larger crystals if you use distilled water rather than tap water.
ok! thanks so much! im going to try and do this again today with full amounts and distilled water.
is it possible, using a spring loaded piece of steel, to create a spark like in a peizo electric barbecue igniter.
Hi! I tried some time ago to make a speaker out of this:<br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRFgY4_3lHU<br><br>And it worked pretty well :)
This project looks like a lot of fun, and I definitely want to try it, but since I don't have anything to measure grams and I live in the U.S. I'm forced to use measuring devices that measure units like teaspoons, tablespoons, ounces and Cups. I want to thank you for providing approximate measures in those units, but as I looked over the conversions you gave they didn't make sense to me. To be sure I used Wolfram Alpha ( wolframalpha.com ) to check the measurements. According to it, 250 grams of sodium bicarbonate ( Baking soda) is about 23.5 <em>teaspoons</em> ( ~25 <em>teaspoons</em> ), whereas you said it was about 25 <em>tablespoons</em>. The same applies for the Cream of Tartar, 100 grams of it should be about 10.4 <em>teaspoons</em> ( Where you wrote 10 <em>tablespoons</em> ). I don't mean to nit-pick but if I'm right the Factor of 3 would probably mess up the experiment. If I am right, I urge you to fix this guide by switching tablespoons to teaspoons for these measurements. Thanks again for the guide. I hope this helps, I'll try to double check the conversions. Just in case I'm right, remember Tablespoons are represented as Tbsp and Teaspoons are represented as Tsp. Also 3 Teaspoons is equivalent to 1 Tablespoons, so the difference is a factor of 3, thus why I wanted to be sure. Please correct me if I'm wrong.<br> Hope this helps, and thanks again,<br> Jedi453
I'm wondering... Can these be dyed or tinted as they grow? I'm thinking possibly paste frosting tint, tho I'm not sure how the sugar would affect the growing process
Interesting, but can it be used as a piezo transducer? like the ones used in electronic drum kits or acoustic guitar pick-up?<br>
You mean, Can I make a rock amplifier? <br>Sorry...
In Step 2 you bake the soda to remove excess water.<br>In Step 3 you add it to... water and cream of tartar.<br><br>Is removing the water necessary?

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