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Save an Irreplaceable Screw

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 A friend has a nearly antique Stevens Nitro Special shotgun.  The screw that holds the forearm stock to the barrel had been bent and it would not seat fully.  (See the blue arrow for the location of the screw.)  He had been to a gunsmith who told him it was not any standard size and would be almost impossible to replace. 

(This photo is from gunbroker.com.)
 
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Step 1: The screw and its receiver

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 If I had known this project would turn out so well, I would have taken photos as I went.  The drawing shows a block of steel about 1/2 inch by 1/2 inch square with a tapped hole to receive the forearm screw.  My best guess is that the screw was turned partially into this block attached under the barrel of the gun when the gun or the barrel was dropped and the screw absorbed the impact.  Anyway, the screw would turn into its receiver only about three turns before it would go no farther.  The result was that the forearm stock was loose on the barrel.  

Step 2: A demonstration

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 Since I did not photograph what I did as I did it, I recreated the process with a common 6 x 32 screw and will demonstrate it here.  The three nuts on the screw show that it is straight and the threads work properly.  I included my watch to affirm I did not simply take before and after photos of this screw only seconds apart.  The original screw from the shotgun appeared to be just a little larger than a #8 screw.

Step 3: I bent the demonstration screw

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Here you can see the 6 x 32 screw after I purposely bent it about the same amount as the screw from the shotgun.  The nut is turned as far onto the screw as it will go now.   
I8mAll1 month ago

Nicely done. It's the kind of wisdom an old engineer gives an apprentice. It's far too easy to lose these skills. That's what makes me see Instructables as a noble adventure.

Phil B (author)  I8mAll1 month ago

Thank you. I know others have thought of this, too. When my friend brought his gun to me I had to think for a while before I thought of doing what I did. If you like this, you might like this and this, too. Both involve doing things that normally require very refined and precise tools, but doing those things with rather ordinary tools and some careful thinking. I wish you much success as you try to help young people innovate.

ilpug2 years ago
That gun looks like it needs to be cleaned.
Phil B (author)  ilpug2 years ago
Could be. The image is from an on-line gun merchant. It is not the same exact gun my friend was getting ready for sale.
sharlston4 years ago
since the shotgun is pretty old the screw is probaly a imperial thread such as bsp,unf,or bsf have you checked all the possible thread sizes?
anyway great ible
Phil B (author)  sharlston4 years ago
When my friend said his gunsmith was of no help in identifying the screwthreads, nor in offering a replacement screw, I took his word for it and went from there.  The gun is of US manufacture.  Metric threads were not being used in the US when this gun was made.  I would be surprised if an imperial thread was used, either.  I would think maybe the maker used his own thread to keep owners from tinkering with or modifying the gun.  I just do not know.  I am only glad we were able to restore the screw so easily.  I wish I had taken a before and after photo of the actual screw from the gun.  The difference was quite striking.  Thank you for your comment.
Probably right about the custom thread, although it could also be to do with the thread profile. I vaguely recall that one of the issues that NATO has had in exchanging technology between US and European militaries is that there are different rounding profiles on the thread peaks and valleys - even when the thread is of the same pitch, it might not screw in cleanly, or might wear more than is safe.
Phil B (author)  kissiltur4 years ago
Interesting.  Thank you.
thanks for the info you could also contact the manufacter of the gun or drill the thread of the female thread and retap it to another easier to find size
kissiltur4 years ago
I wonder whether this treatment might weaken the screw because of work hardening the steel? Obviously the bends applied are slight so it might not be an issue, but it's something to be conscious of, especially if the same treatment is required more than once.

Not sure what to suggest to ameliorate it, either - annealing and quenching, perhaps?
Phil B (author)  kissiltur4 years ago
The application for this screw is rather light duty with very little torque on it.  Perhaps in some applications work hardening might be a problem.  My friend popped in on a Saturday afternoon and did not want to spend a lot of time getting the screw to work.  On balance, what I did worked out very well this time. 

I see you are in Portland.  We bought a house in Vancouver, WA for retirement.  I go to meetings in Portland near the airport about four times a year.  My wife's remaining family lives in Salem.
All very reasonable - didn't mean to imply otherwise! For some reason I thought the screw was taking more stress than that.

Yes, I've been in Portland since I moved to the States in 2001. It's home, and I like the fact that the landscape has more texture to it than Surrey near London, which was the last place I lived in Britain. We're a way from the airport now, though - used to live right nearby when my wife had a job there, but moved west to make commuting easier.
RadBear4 years ago
Cool. I'm going to have to remeber this one!
Phil B (author)  RadBear4 years ago
Thanks for your comment.  I am 63 years old.  During all of my avocational tinkering, this is the first time I have had to do what I described here.  I had considered several other strategies before I thought of this one.
skunkbait4 years ago
Phil, Once again EXCELLENT instructable! 

As others have mentioned, one can almost always have a screw made, but the cost can make it impractical.  More importantly, in certain applications (antique/historical  firearms, tools, machines etc.) to have a non-original screw can greatly devalue the item.  This is an excellent solution!!!  I have at least two antique guns and a (pretty rare) 35-year old Bultaco motorcyle where this idea will come in very handy!
Phil B (author)  skunkbait4 years ago
Thanks, Barry.  As I have hinted, the threads on the forearm screw looked REALLY bad, but cleaned and looked almost factory new after the tap and turn treatment.  That was in addition to not being able to insert the screw more than about three turns. 
l8nite4 years ago
 Thats a neat trick! To the nay sayers, yes its possible to find almost any screw or have a machinist make one if you have the time to hunt either down but if you can save yourself the aggravation with just a little time why not go for it !
Phil B (author)  l8nite4 years ago
Thanks.  I hope it will be useful to you one day.
Finding a replacement screw is always possible. 
Phil B (author)  Hands Without Shadows4 years ago
My friend's gunsmith used his thread gauges and could not identify the screw.  He said he had never seen anything like it.  I took the gunsmith at his word (as reported to me by my friend).  My friend is out of work and is trying to get the gun ready to sell, so he was not interested in chasing down a replacement screw.  Perhaps you have sources or information the gunsmith does not have.  Thank you for your comment.
fegundez14 years ago
good idea I have used this type of method before but never on such an important piece. Being gentle and very patient is the key here. Good Instructable
Phil B (author)  fegundez14 years ago
Thanks.  You are correct about going slow and being gentle.  I was pleased that the rounded, flattened edges of the threads appeared almost new when I was finished.  My friend wanted to force the screw through the threads.  I am glad we did not.
microman1714 years ago
Depending on how keen to fix the screw you were...

Metal lathe + thread cutting equipment
A metal pin
A saw for cutting a slot

Not impossible...  Some people do this all the time.  They have all this gear in miniature for model making.
Phil B (author)  microman1714 years ago
Thanks for your comment.  A metal lathe for screw cutting would surely do the job.  I certainly do not know anyone with such a lathe.  I  also wanted to describe something anyone could do well with the most minimal very common equipment.
Cool.
Phil B (author)  masterochicken4 years ago
Thanks.
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