I use a 2004 Lincoln auto-darkening welding helmet with a Miller Thunderbolt 225 stick welder (230 volts) and with a Hobart 125EZ flux core wire feed welder. The stick welder throws a lot of light when welding, and seeing the joint as I weld is not a problem with it. Seeing the joint as I weld with the wire feed welder has been difficult to impossible. But, I recently made a very helpful discovery.

The photo shows a weld I have started with the wire feed welder. The weld is on 3/16 inch steel. The ends of the pieces have been chamfered for good penetration of the weld. The weld as shown was made by following what I could see in my auto-darkening helmet. You can see that it follows the joint quite nicely. 

Step 1: What I had been seeing until recently

Until recently, all I could see of the joint when viewing through my auto-darkening helmet is replicated in the photo with this step. It is the same photo in the previous frame, but manipulated in photo editing software to approximate what I was able to see. The bright blue arc has been created on my computer.
<p>Great post, thanks.</p>
Thank you for looking and for commenting.
<strong>I would urge everyone to take welding light protection protocols very seriously.</strong> The damage from the UV can accumulate over time and they don't have to blind you outright to degrade your vision enough to reduce your quality of life.<br> <br> My paternal grandfather had been a pilot since his barnstorming/mail-carrier days in the early 1930s. But, he was also a farmer/rancher/roughneck etc for his working life and welded on an off constantly (that generation had a vast array of skills.) He was always VERY careful about his vision in general and in welding in particular but in 50+ years of welding he had many accidental exposures.&nbsp;<br> <br> Each of those exposures let UV radiation permanently destroying a pinprick point in his retina. Eventually, by his mid-60s, &nbsp;the accumulated damage built to the point where it affected his vision enough that he could no longer fly. He was very fit and lived to be 88. He could have safely flown at least into his early 70s (I think they have an age cutoff now but they didn't back then IIRC.) He voluntarily stopped flying because he realized he just couldn't see well enough.&nbsp;<br> <br> It was very sad that for at least 10 of his final 20 years, he couldn't fly, something he truly loved, <strong>solely because of eye damage from welding.&nbsp;</strong><br> <br> I'm not a safety nanny by any stretch. In fact, I think safety nannies do more harm than good by conflating trivial threats with serious ones so that people can't tell what is and is not significantly dangerous.&nbsp;<br> <br> But UV from welding isn't is truly damaging, even in small amounts if you weld often enough. A pin prick here and a pin prick there add up to blindness. Don't end up damaged like my grandfather just because you couldn't spend an extra 15 seconds to ensure your eyes were protected.&nbsp;<br> <br> I'm talking to, males age to 16-25 who all think you are immortal and indestructible.&nbsp;<br> <br> <br>
<p>You almost had a decent message to give until you ended it with a condescending rant on the maturity and age of men. What sound advice resonates through a person who seems to believe they understand all MALES aged 16-25? Not much.</p><p>I could go on about the hypocrisy in that last comment, but it would just degrade the comments section. Please be a human, next time, and not a Female.</p>
I am male, was age 16-25 at one time, thought myself indestructible and took more damage than was necessary, from shear arrogant bravado. Some of peer group died of their follies. Thus I know of what I speak. <br><br>More over, that males in that age bracket are reckless and prone to preventable injury iis not opinion by objective fact measure by both psychology and insurance actuaries. You may look up such data at your leisure. <br><br>In my experience and opinion anyone training males in that demographic who does not ride them repeatedly about their safe work habits and remind them they are at an age where their courage confidence overwhelms their sense of self-preservation, is being an irresponsible trainer.
<p>Your username does not reflect that of a male. While you may have been a careless, injury prone, and hapless individual; your experience does not translate to everyone else automatically. Auto injuries are not equal to welding injuries, and equating one study to another is ignorant. It is obvious that your have nor ACTUALLY looked up any studies or you would realize that AGE is the deciding factor of insurance premiums. </p><p>It is no coincidence that a field which is dominated by men happens to be filled with their gender next to accident reports. Perhaps you should review law studies conducted on home appliances to see whom experiences the most &quot;accidents&quot;. Quit being a biased woman SHANNON and be a human. Such as your experience is does not mean much on the scale to which you preach, I could go a gender bender myself, but would insult much too many good persons who do not fit the stereotype. Be a human, not a feminist, mom, or whatever other persona you have attached your mind to.</p>
<p>1) You are certainly not alone in thinking Shannon and exclusively a girls name. Certainly, my small-town Texas playground opponents back in the day thought so. You know that Johnny Cash song, &quot;A Boy Named Sue?&quot; I've lived it.</p><p>But... I have XY chromosomes, the associated reproductive equipment, as well as the children, grandchildren and the grin on my wife's face to prove it. Would you like a photo of the phenotypical expression of my XY chromosomes? I think secondary characteristics best don't you think? I don't want to frighten the horses or provoke jealousies. </p><p> FWIW, about 10% of individuals with the first name of Shannon are male. There are even at least three male &quot;Shannon Love&quot; s in the continental US. (I checked some while back.) In origin, the name is a gaelic title or rank meaning, &quot;old wise man&quot;. Its use as a feminine first name is a 20th century American phenomena, largely in the Northeast where the Irish settled. I carry it because my aunt saw, IIRC, the &quot;Quite Man&quot; with John Wayne, shortly before my birth, heard the name and thought it sounded &quot;interesting.&quot; </p><p>Although I admit that for a long time, I had a great deal of fun on the internet keeping my sex ambiguous and letting people just assume I was female. Very revealing. I got dismissed and talked down to as a woman but not by the kind or persuasion of people I expected. </p><p>2) *Sigh* google &quot;automobile insurance rates by sex&quot; and see what you get. Here' the first hit I got &quot;<a href="https://www.esurance.com/info/car/why-women-pay-less-for-car-insurance" rel="nofollow">https://www.esurance.com/info/car/why-women-pay-le...</a> Thus, using automobile insurance rates is good vernacular statistics as it is something most people are familiar with. In fact man die at all ages, of all causes at higher rates than women, including accidents.</p><p>Men, as a statistical population, compared to women, as a statistical population, are more thrill seeking, less compliant with authority figure's advice (like doctor's orders to take medicine or the use of seatbelt) and in general have an overly optimistic belief in their ability to predict harm and control material circumstances. These behaviors are in turn directly related to testoerone levels. (This correlation is so strong that the FDA requires warnings about potential behavior changes on Testosterone treatments.) </p><p>When testosterone levels are highest in their late teens and early 20s, men are less likely to follow safety instructions and more likely to believe they can control the circumstance such that they will suffer no harm. Accident rates, murder rates, imprisonment rates, as well as non-material risk taking eg business, invention, travel and exploration etc all reflect this behavioral bias.</p><p>Neither does it help that young men who do perform dangerous manual labor, like welding, in the modern era tend to come from subcultures that promote an indifference to personal risk because in the past, men had to work &quot;without a net&quot; so they just convinced themselves they didn't need one and scorned anyone who thought they did. (There's a lot of study and documentation about the IIRC, Mohawk &quot;High Steel&quot; workers in the 1930s who built New York's skyscrapers. They were utterly reckless running across i-beams hundreds of feet in the air and taking great pride in their seeming utter indifference to the fear of falling.) </p><p>So, testosterone levels combined with culture can make many young men today taking up welding and other materially productive task to take risk and suffer injuries they could have avoided if they listened to the grey beards. </p><p>&quot;It is no coincidence that a field which is dominated by men happens to be filled with their gender next to accident reports.&quot;</p><p>Well, that's assuming that insurance adjustors, OSHA etc and their counter-parts in all developed nations forgot to adjust for the variable of sex, a circumstance which I highly doubt. It is true men still dominate risk fields, 95% of workplace deaths are of men, but there are enough women working in such fields in the developed world at least to get a good statistical picture. </p><p>&quot;Perhaps you should review law studies conducted on home appliances to see whom experiences the most &quot;accidents&quot;.</p><p>Firstly, I wouldn't be interested in the most accidents total but rather the ratio between exposure to accident potential by sex and the number of accidents total. See above in your argument about male dominate fields. </p><p>Secondly, why would I look at &quot;legal studies&quot; about accidents instead insurance data or government safety data? Lawyers and &quot;non-biased&quot; automatically don't go together, they are hired guns, trained to win court cases not find the truth about anything, never mind they don't have the training to assess such risk. </p><p> &quot;Be a human, not a feminist, mom, or whatever other persona you have attached your mind to.&quot;</p><p>I think feminist are idiots, largely because it is only with in the last decade and then only partially and begrudgingly what they have begin to conceded that all &quot;gender&quot; is not &quot;social constructed&quot; and thus largely arbitrary and programable. </p><p>Heck, when I was college in the early 80s, if you said that any human behavior was innate, like say that homosexual orientation was primarily physiological in origin and innate, &quot;feminist&quot; and the rest of left-wing intellectuals would call you a fascist. As someone trained in biology, I knew better. A decade they flipped 180 degrees, their old absolute assertions went down the hole and anyone who argued that homosexuality was not biologically innate as the fascist. Hard to respect a group of people after seeing an Orwellian shift like that in real time </p><p>The idea that young men are &quot;all-balls-and-no-brains&quot; is a folk wisdom found in all cultures and is backed up by both modern science and statistical data of kinds. Stating the fact openly does not demean either men or women any more than stating that, statistically, men are larger and stronger than women. As in all biology, the benefits of behavioral differences in a sexual dimorphic species like humans represent a tradeoff between risk to individuals versus benefits to groups and lineages. Putting risk behaviors into individually expendable males is just an optimum strategy. </p><p>I argue it is morally irresponsible to the point of negligence not to act upon the best data and actively and continually warn young males of their (individually likely) inbuilt cognitive distortions and, by making them aware of those distortion, give them the ability to compensate for them. </p><p>In any case, if your right and I'm wrong, I've insulted some people but done no physical harm. If I'm right and your wrong, some men end up blinded. </p><p>Which side should we err on?</p>
Thank you for your comments and cautions. I found an article on ANSI standards for welding lenses, which standards require protection from UV and infra red rays, whether the lenses are made from glass or plastic.
I have an Optrel auto darkening helmet with solar cells. I've had the thing for oh, must be a good 15 years now. I never messed with any batteries in it. I keep my hood under an extra summer jacket bib in my garage. That keeps it pretty clean. It hangs on a capped cylinder tank when I'm not using it. <br> <br>What I do so that I can see is I protect myself from what I call &quot;back lighting&quot;, light that comes in from the back of my helmet. I take my extra summer jacket bib and throw it over the top of my helmet. Doing that helps out a lot. The downside is the helmet can fog up if you're a heavy breather. So I try not to breathe too heavily when I'm welding. If I do manage to fog it up I just flip the hood up for a moment and it clears up. <br> <br>I told you previously if you hit your work area with some halogen lights, heck you don't even need an auto darkening helmet then. Do that and a 14 shade filter is just like wearing a dark pair of sunglasses. Trick there is put the lights in front of you. Downside is weld splatter can blow up the glass on the halogen lamps. Don't ask me how I know that ... the lamps still work fine though. You can buy a lot of halogen lamp fixtures for even what a cheap auto darkening hood costs.
I do have one halogen light, but it would be on the same circuit as my welder. The welder needs all of the current it can get from that circuit, so I am hesitant to use a halogen light when welding. In this house I can weld at the open garage door with a northern exposure in daylight. That works out pretty well, too. <br> <br>You ought give new batteries in your helmet a try and see if they make a difference.
<p>My helmet has no batteries. It runs on solar cells that are powered by the arc itself. I'm not big on relying on batteries. As long as you're welding my helmet works.</p>
<p>It is a major pain to find them but, there are small fans that clip to hard hats which will direct an air current against the clips surface, you could probably put one of these under your mask which would keep it defogged. A cheaper solution would be a light coat of toothpaste, don't know why it works, but it KINDA does.</p>
<p>Flipping my hood up clears any fog up. Welding is already complicated enough. I'd rather not add anything else to it really.</p>
Who would have thought to replace batteries because the lens was getting TOO dark? Excellent article. <br> Bill
<p>Going by what ive read, a dead helmet defaults to dark. Since we are talking millions of little crystals at a default angle (in this case blocking) in the open power state. I would imagine the shutter speed must remain constant, than perhaps some other function is affected (sensor?) Slowly getting darker instead of the inverse. Im sure this is an engineered safety factor. Cant have dead batteries resulting in flash burn. Im not entirely sure, but im sure reading through the safety specs would give you a better understanding. </p>
I'm pretty sure that the batteries don't power the darkening of the mask but instead power making it transparent.&nbsp;<br> <br> That would make sense from a safety stand point. If the mask required power to be darkened than a short or other power failure would cause the mask to go suddenly transparent in the middle of weld and exposing the user to potentially blinding visible light and retina wrecking UV.&nbsp;<br> <br> As the batteries fade, they rotate the LCD crystals less and less meaning the mask remains ever darker more and more.&nbsp;
Thank you for looking. I almost did not post this because I thought it was too simple. But, what I learned about the lens going too dark due to weakened batteries caught me by surprise, too. I suppose those with adjustable auto-darkening helmets would just turn the dial until they can see again. But, without realizing what effect degraded batteries can have, they would also replace their old helmet with a new one every five years or so.
I think that is a safety feature so that dead batteries makes you pull some maintenance or buy new equipment!
You are probably right. I always had some concern that the lens would not darken sufficiently when the batteries grew weak and I would risk damage to my eyes. It is clever to require fresh batteries for the proper shading and make the modules so they darken too much when the batteries are weak. Doing that saves users' eyes and prevents manufacturers' liability.
ok fine and dandy on the battery repair. no one has talked about respirators, at all those are even important. get a good quality unit. that has replaceable filters. or a type that u can actually c them getting black. it ill save yr lungs
You are just full of useful information.........I also have a $50 eBay solar powered helmet that has been doing exactly what you describe. I will check it out this morning. THANKS
At $50 the batteries may be encased in plastic. The link to the article about the guy who replaced a bad battery in his Harbor Freight helmet may be helpful to you. As concerns being full of useful information, I seem to have interesting problems I need to solve. There have been a few times when I went to Instructables looking for the solution to a problem, but there was none. I had to solve my own problem and then post the solution for the benefit of others. Thank you.
I read Eric's site and learned quiet a bit. My welding helment is a Chinese with no brand name on it. It is somewhat different than HF&rsquo;s. I bought it off eBay 3 or 4 years ago. It has been doing what you describe. I could only get into the lens&rsquo;s electronics by cutting it open very very carefully with a Dremel tool and a really thin abrasive wheel. It was not necessary to remove the adjusting knob. I found one (1) lithium 3v battery inside. I think it is a CR2032, but the strap covers the number. Since I always keep in in a box and light cannot reach the solar panel, it could not charge the battery. I would think the lithium battery would still be good and charge up if it had a light source. I taped it back together temporarily to see if exposing it to a light bulb for 24 hours will charge the battery. Another solution would be to clip the straps welded to the battery, and install a CR2032 Battery Holder and a new CR 2032 3v battery. In either case, I can close it up and seal it with silicone. I will come back here and report on my progress. Thanks, I had no idea it had a battery inside.
you may be able to take it to <a href="http://www.batteriesplus.com/t-storeloc.aspx" rel="nofollow"> Batteries Plus </a> and have them replace the battery. <br>or wire in a AAA battery holder like this <a href="http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062246" rel="nofollow"> RadioShack&reg; 2 &ldquo;AAA&rdquo; Battery Holder </a> <br> <br>Lithium is 3V, two AAA = 3V
Thank you for the detailed report. I have a bicycle speedometer powered by a 2032 battery. If it goes down a tenth of a volt or two it is &quot;dead&quot; for all practical purposes in that application. I will be waiting anxiously to hear how your helmet works for you when all is done.
Photovoltaic cells are degraded by ultraviolet light. Welding gives off huge amounts of UV, that is why we need the mask in the first place.<br> <br> So, people with solar charge mask may find that their mask won't recharge after a say a hundred hours of active use. Not sure what the degradation curve looks like but if the cells are not protected by true glass (which is opaque to UV) then it will probably happen after a few years of weekly use.&nbsp;
Just a note about replacing that lens. If the lens is actual glass and not plastic, then it part of the UV blocking of the mask. If you replace it, you must replace it with glass. I think new mask have plastic but older ones will be glass.
Very useful info, Bill, thanks for sharing. My helmet is like that of the last step, with solar cells. It has a lot of dirt, I should clean it.
Are you able to replace the battery when it is four or five years old? Thank you for looking.
I don't know, it came without manual. I think is has no batteries, but i'm not sure. It works still well, for my needs. I buyed it two or three years ago, and I don't use it much.
As best I can learn, they all have a battery. It may be you would need to break the plastic case to get into it. Was yours made in China?
It was the cheapes I could get. So, it is propably Chinese, Bill.
Osvaldo, in recent years I often go onto the Internet to search for manuals, and I frequently find them, or I find a manual for something very much similar to the item I have. This can be very helpful when I do not have the original manual for whatever reason, or when the manual is very long and I want to use my computer to search for only those parts of the manual related to what I need to know. Also, we have wanted to reduce the file drawer half-filled with paper manuals to a single disc half-filled with digital manuals. The disc is much easier to store. Plus, we can have extra copies wherever we might want them. Here is a <a href="http://images.harborfreight.com/manuals/94000-94999/94336.pdf" rel="nofollow">PDF manual for an auto-darkening helmet from Harbor Freight</a>, which is a discount tool store in the USA that specializes in tools made in China. Unfortunately, it is all in English and it discusses only a minimum of technical things. But, some of the photos may be useful. Here is <a href="http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/46000-46999/46092.pdf" rel="nofollow">a PDF manual for a cheaper Harbor Freight helmet</a> that uses built-in batteries (that is, not normally replaceable by the owner) with a solar cell array. The second manual contains a bit less information than the first manual I linked, but I would wager one of these describes your helmet. Most of the information in these manuals is &quot;lawyer talk,&quot; like, &quot;Caution: Using electric welding machines while taking a bath could result in a serious electrical shock hazard, even death.&quot; (That is not an actual example, but is similar to some of the ridiculous things found in these manuals.)
Thanks for your concern, Bill. I will download these manuals. <br> <br>Warning, if you save your docs in CD or DVD, you could loss them for ever. There are fungus that like to eat the aluminum support of the info. <br> <br>Hahaha, it is as you say, mostly all manuals has that ridiculous warnings: &quot;don't smash the TV screen with a hammer&quot; or similar.
I don't know, Bill. I have not noticed wear the helmet.
The problem I experienced is that the helmet's performance degraded slowly over a very long time. I did not notice any change, until I replaced the batteries and the helmet suddenly worked better. One of the manuals for a Chinese helmet I linked below mentions it uses solar cells and two built-in batteries expected to last about six years. The link about the man who cracked his Chinese helmet open to repair it may be helpful to you. We were in Germany and I saw the same Chinese drill press I have, but with a different manufacturer's name on it. I expect the Chinese helmet you have is the same one we can buy at discount tool stores in the USA.
after purchasing 3 harbor freight helmets(on sale with a additional coupon) I sprung for a Hobart with replaceable batteries. What a difference! My welds are way better because I can see much better. I also use a utility light with a strong magnetic base and a hooded bulb that I can aim at my welding area as a nonhooded bulb causes the auto darkening to take place prematurely. For such a dirty process, cleanliness is a must! Your work area, your equipment and the air you breath must be as clean as possible!
Thank you for your comment. Not only are batteries easy to replace in better helmets, but you can see better and make better welds, too. Thank you for that piece of information. I like the fact the head strapping is better in the more expensive helmets and there are extra features, like grinder mode.
A better way to know when to replace AAA batteries is around when they hit .05V below their rating, since they rarely fall that far below before they are very close to dead. AAA batteries don't really store all that much energy, so that decrease is more significant than with AA, C or D batteries.
You make a good point. Now I wish I could find a way to run conductors out of the auto-darkening module so I could connect a voltmeter without dismantling most of my helmet to get at the batteries. Thank you for looking and for commenting.

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