Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. With the "green-energy" craze and talk of powering our future oil-free economy on hydrogen, it has gotten much attention in the last few years. Learning about this potential fuel of the future is important and interesting. Besides, hydrogen is a powerful fuel, and blowing stuff up in the name of science is fun .
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Signing UpStep 1Electrolysis of Water - An Explanation
2H2O(l) = 2H2(g) + O2(g)
As everyone knows a water molecule is formed by two elements: two positive Hydrogen ions and one negative Oxygen ion. The water molecule is held together by the electromagnetic attraction between these ions. When electricity is introduced to water through two electrodes, a cathode (negative) and an anode (positive), these ions are attracted to the opposite charged electrode. Therefore the positively charged hydrogen ions will collect on the cathode and the negatively charged oxygen will collect on the anode.
When these ions come into contact with their respective electrodes they either gain or lose electrons depending on there ionic charge. (In this case the hydrogen gains electrons and the oxygen loses them) In doing so these ions balance their charges, and become real, electrically balanced, bona fide atoms (or in the case of the hydrogen, a molecule).
The reason this system isn't very efficient is because some of the electrical energy is converted into heat during the process. There have been reports of 50%-70% efficiency, but I doubt that is possible in a home environment. Anyway, enough with the boring stuff, lets go make some gas!
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Electrolysis of water is the easiest way to demonstrate the chemical process of separating the ions. Let them do their experiments and let them form their hypothesis; and let them dream of ways to use and improve the knowledge.
As for Nitrous (NOX) --- it is not a fuel --- it is an Oxidizer. Oxides are what make the existing fuel burn hotter.
As for HHO, it only takes one quarter of a liter, per minute, to reduce the harmful emissions that exist in the engine exhaust. Wow, that much. Automobiles are not going to run on HHO, per-say, they are engineered to take in air (they are air pumps). The air dilutes the powerful HHO "perfect fuel". Fossil Fuels need Air in order to burn a flame; HHO does not. HHO is an explosive gas; a perfect mixture. It is many times more powerful than gasoline. I know from experimenting; not from reading what someone wrote about it. Money makes the world go round; Big Oil fuels the world. Big Oil creates the illusions that you read - and believe. Of course, they make it very believable. You can't disagree with the Laws of Physics and Chemistry. Right?
As to your experiences, what degrees do you have? where have you been published? What field experience do you have other than tinkering around in your garage? One quarter of a liter per minute that reduces emissions. That's your findings? The setup presented here won't make that much. Did you bother checking out the machine from treadwell? They make 225 cubic feet per HOUR. And this is getting electrical power from a nuclear reactor. Think that little box in your car is going to make a quarter liter per minute? Wow. I have ocean front property for you in Arizona. REAL CHEAP. Call me.
HHO gas is easy to manufacture. It is easy to use it to overcome the pollution caused from burning fossil fuels. It is possible to get better mpg with it. It can be manufactured on board as you drive. The same can be accomplished with just adding oxygen to the metered air. The same can be accomplished by just adding hydrogen to the metered air. So tell me, why won't the EPA just allow more metered air? The rest of the world does; and the rest of the world gets better mpg. Pollution from automobiles is man made. In this country, it is mandated to be 14.7 parts air to each part of fuel vapor. That is so that we the people can not easily get better mpg. It is enforced by our automobile computers.
You are correct about one thing. There are some scam companies out there that advertise and guarantee better percentages of fuel efficiencies. There are no guarantees that any one vehicle will get better mpg's. But, there are thousands of silent testimonies out there, that can attest to getting better fuel economy because of HHO. In the beginning, one had to keep their mouth shut in order to keep their HHO Generator.
You have your opinion of the HHO system based on what someone else published, researched. You are welcomed to it. I for one, have my knowledge of HHO based on work and experimenting that I and others like me accomplished by not listening to skeptics. I thank you for keeping me at the grinding wheel. It is my calling.
As for you having Ocean front property in Arizona, tell me how a smart guy like your self, got suckered in to buying it.
I was pretty transparent about my experience with this topic, while yours is still nothing but your meanderings on the internet. Where are you published? If you are so secure in the technology that you are using, where is the proof? What sources do you have that are verifiable and repeatable that meet the common scientific standards? Sorry, but "I have my own knowledge" is nothing more than a faith based standard. No more verifiable than asking someone about the existence of God. It's what they believe in based on faith. I'm looking for scientific data that backs up your statements seeing as how you responded to my statements about how much you need to run a car and that this instructable is for demonstration purposes, not an HHO car conversion post. You chimed in on that. PROVE me wrong and make millions, no BILLIONS in the process. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure this back and forth is moot.
As for it being possible to make HHO in your car, it is possible. We the people are doing it. As for cleaning up the exhaust emissions, only a half pint of HHO per minute is needed for in-town driving. Not very much is it! It takes less than 5 amps to make that much. That is 60 watts of power. Wow, so much power. You can't make that much, but the rest of us can and do.
I am amazed at how one sided your posts are. No wonder you got stuck with lake ocean front property in Arizona.
But something good came out of this. You now have received your first comments on this website. Wow, that must be a 2 year record. By the way, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you know that Profile thingy, well you forgot to fill it out. If you need an example to follow, look up mine.
The Arizona property was in jest. You're 63 and should know sarcasm when you see it. I've been here at this site, unregistered however, since inception. I'm sure you have better things to do with your time in retirement than to go back and forth on the internet about a system that you think works, and which I, as well as anyone with moderate common sense, knows doesn't. Good day.
But hey, whatever.
If you’ve used a rechargeable battery, driven a hybrid vehicle or put solar panels on your roof, you’re benefiting from the work of Stanford Ovshinsky. But unless you’re an energy aficionado or you work in the automotive industry, chances are you’ve never heard of him. “Stan can be a great salesman, but he always says: ‘I’m not going to tell you about it, I’m just going to show you.’” Stan invented a way to store hydrogen safely. http://www.hho4free.com/stan_ovshinsky.htm
After watching this video, I question what we have been told about pressurizing HHO. 15 to 20 PSI is supposed to self ignite. Hmmmm.
The Hydrogen Hog generator operates at 60 PSI and has been tested over 100 PSI. One comment left, on the video below, YouTube page, said it was safe even at 120 PSI. More research is needed. If it is safe to pressurize the HHO, then that will help move us forward. http://www.hho4free.com/pressure_tests.htm
Oh by the way, I am the old gezer that is arguing FOR HHO and its significant value.
Also i'm working on some project for divers..i will need some of your expertise in it. feel free to email me..your response is highly expected.
You are welcomed to visit my web hho4free.com. I sell nothing; absolutely nothing. I do not ask for or accept donations; and Information is Free.
Argue with a fool and people wont know the difference.
Yeah 6 months late, But an email brought me here.
Besides it seems to be enough time for you two to finish what ever you's are talking about.
I have a basic understanding of how much power is needed to produce Hydrogen.
I also have enough understanding to realize the volume of gasses going in and out of an ICE.
I think that helped to make this even more funny :)
You say you have basic understanding of how much power is needed to produce Hydrogen. Do you realize it takes the equivalent energy of one gallon of gasoline, to extract, and produce one gallon of gasoline? Then it has to be delivered to the pump.
I have been running a self built 'scam' type HHO producer in one of my cars for 6 years. The exhaust pipe became clean on the inside (using the finger test) after producing only 1 l/m. Since I started out with this unit I have changed things as time went by and now run a unit at 28 l/m and am very happy to sit back and say nothing.
The Daddyo44907 and Onebadvette have stimulated me enough to write this.
So thank you both.
My results on fuel saving for the last 5 of those 6 years are posted here for you to view. Just a few particulars to advise the vehicle details.
Toyota Corona 1993, 2000 cc engine, petrol, fuel usage 10km/litre to 13km/litre on low octane fuel alone at between 45 and 1300 meters above sea level.
The higher speed open road running gives the lesser result of the two figures.
With the HHO unit running my fuel usage is between 22km/litre and 26km/litre.
The unit draws 15amps and does not heat up-- the electrolite is potassium carbonate.
I believe that physics theory is only theory as I rely on the practical results and don't care about any thing else.
All to their own.
For me -- I don't let the experts get in the way unless they can help me - and some have helped me improve things.
I have nothing to prove and am not selling any thing.
Keep the the head banging going I enjoy the read.
Does the surface area of the electrodes have an effect?
Does the type of electrode have an effect? and what does each do?Copper?Aluminum?iron?
What are other readily available electrolytes besides salt and baking soda?
Is an electrolyte necessary when using distilled water?
As for the other questions I can only speculate but I will try.
Surface area- my gut is that bigger is better
type - being that copper is so widely used in homes, etc for wiring I am thinking it may be safer than aluminum and is certainly a better conductor of electricity than iron.
salt/baking soda - saw a post that indicated ordinary salt my produce chlorine gas (not godd to breath and highly corrosive) Baking soda MAY be safer.
electrolyte - yes it makes the water more conductive.
In science the negative is usually called the "hot lead" because electricity is the flow of electrons which are negatively charged particles. I have found this to be confusing for a number of years & was wondering if that could be the issue here?
firstly i want to thank you for this wonderful explanation, what i want is to make a machine for producing power (electricity) form water by separating H2 from O2, the H2 will burn and O2 (will go to outside like an exhaust gas), is that possible scientifically, and how much power do i want to produce a huge power to make a car start???
please it is urgent .
thanks
Another thing: if I want pure hydrogen should I put another, bigger bowl high over it to capture the lighter hydrogen gas or will it just escape? I think the oxygen will sink slightly... or will it?
can u plz tell me which is the best metal use for the electrodes for get more hydrogen and for increase the efficiency???????????????
plz ans me soon
thanks