Introduction: Steam Powered Potato Pistol Zippo(tm) Mod

I would like to start by giving credit to robbtoberfest and his Steam Powered Potato Pistol 1.0 design which can be found here:

https://www.instructables.com/id/Steam-Powered-Potato-Pistol-10/

I also want to start by re-iterating his safety warnings as this device has risks related to fire, steam, pressure, metal-work, and projectiles. I recommend wearing eye protection during all steps and using common sense. I accept no liability for any risk in the manufacture or use of this device. Do not attempt to use power tools if you are not familiar with them and I don't recommend anyone under the age of 18 attempt to manufacture this device without competent adult supervision. Don't touch the barrel for a few minutes after it has been fired as it becomes extremely hot. Also, the soot will stain clothes/skin. Be careful with this thing guys.

I will leave the construction of the barrel/chamber assembly to robbtoberfest's design and will primarily focus on the design modifications which allow the fuel/heat source to be a "Zippo (tm)" brand lighter.  The only modification I made to the barrel/chamber assembly is that I used "J.B. Weld (tm)" brand two part epoxy paste instead of solder. I find that it is less messy and I have limited experience with solder.  The joints and air-tight seals of the "J.B. Weld" have held through all of my test firings. The farthest I have gotten it to shoot a plug his about 23 feet.



It works, but it has limitations. I feel that it would work well indoors with very minor drafts, but outside it is challenging to keep the flame on the chamber if there is any wind at all. Seems to take me at least a couple minutes of fairly steady flame on the chamber to get it to fire. I am not sure if this modification is faster/slower to fire. I think indoors it is probably about the same to a little faster to fire.

Step 1: Components/ Tools

Barrel/Chamber assembly from the following instructable:
             https://www.instructables.com/id/Steam-Powered-Potato-Pistol-10/
                    ***The only modification is I used J.B. Weld instead of solder.

Oak plank - In the "craft wood" section of Home Depot - about $2.50
          - Pine would be cheaper and would probably work fine. I would expect pine to burn a little easier so I chose oak.

Anvil (or hard surface like a piece of metal or wood to hammer against) / hammer

Pliers. Two needle nose would work fine.

Zippo (tm) brand lighter - usually around 18 bucks. Of course you will also need lighter fluid.

Bolts and corresponding wing nuts/ short wood screws. (I used brass, but that was mostly for show. Frankly, I think it may have been better with steel as I broke the heads off of a couple of them trying to screw them into the oak even with pilot holes. I suggest using bar soap on the threads to lubricate them as they screw in.

A drill or dremel with a drill bit to make pilot holes and drill through a couple of copper pieces.

A good table mounted vice makes life a little easier to bend the copper fitting (to be explained).

A hack saw is one option for cutting the pipe. I used a pipe cutter.

A file for deburring and cleaning out the lip on the barrel and corer.

Leather scrap or denim or any thick material as a place to store your plug cutter. Attached with furniture brads.

Cork stopper
         - Apparently they come in terms of "numbers". I found that #5 size seems to fit the 1/2 inch copper pipe best.

Potato. Not too thick. I wouldn't go much thicker than an inch.

Eye dropper or other device that can dispense about 8-10 drops.

A long wood screw is useful when you accidentally load the potato before you put the water in. I know it sounds stupid, but I have done it twice now. Just screw it into the potato and pull. Also useful if it doesn't fire for any reason.

Step 2: Modifying Two 1/2" Copper Pipe Fittings for the Barrel.

The primary engineering challenge of this mod is finding a way to mount the barrel in such a way that it can rotate on top of the wood so that you can get the lighter close enough to work while still being able to open/close the lighter's lid.

I did this by modifying two copper fittings as seen in the photo.

Hammer the fitting flat on the anvil or hard surface. See the photos below to show the steps to turn the standard fitting into the fitting necessary to mount the barrel assembly to the stock. The main thing is to keep the piece symmetrical.

After the piece is flat go put it on the anvil with just a little past the hole.

Hold the long end down and hammer the part hanging off the anvil to about 90 degrees. Do this to both sides in the same direction.

Next grab the long pipe or the barrel assembly. You are going to bend the fitting around the pipe with your fingers. Bend it as far as you can then fine tune with a hammer or pliers.

Be careful as the edges can be a little sharp. Make sure the holes line up so you can get a bolt through.

Next you need to drill a hole in the center of the piece so you can screw it into the stock. This could be done with a hand drill, but I did it with a drill press with a drill press vice to hold it steady. Again, safety first with safety eyewear and safety equipment. Make two identical fittings.


Step 3: Prepare the Stock.

I used a belt sander to aggressively shape a rectangular piece of oak. A band saw probably would have worked better. Really any shape would work as long as the stock is about 3/4th's inches thick and there is room for the lighter. The design could be taken farther than I took it. I think the "Steampunk" art aesthetic would be appropriate for this device. I would love to see pictures if anyone makes modifications to the design.

Also, attach the two fittings in such a way to hold the barrel where you want it. Keep them close enough together to give you some play when positioning the lighter.

Step 4: Modifying a 1" Copper Pipe Fitting for the Lighter.

This fitting is a little easier. It goes around the lighter itself and uses a larger fitting. This fitting is the same configuration as the 1/2 inch, but it's designed for 1 inch pipe.

Hammer it flat like the other fittings.

In order to figure out where to put it you have put the barrel assembly in and position the chamber and the open lighter so that they are only about 1/2 inch apart. Remember, you will be able to rotate the barrel assembly so that you can close the lighter later.

Once you determine the best place for the lighter hold it against the wood. You need to bend the ends down with your fingers/pliers to make them hold the lighter in place. You may have to fiddle with it a little in order to get it perfect. Try to get it as symmetrical as possible. I screwed mine in with the lighter in place, but later I could pull the lighter out fairly easily. Don't worry too much about it falling down through the bottom. It was tight enough for me that I didn't have any problems. Again, brass screws are tricky and need to be lubricated with soap and put in pretty big pilot holes. I turned the head off of two of them before I was done. (You can't see the long ends of the screws in the wood because I covered them with the fitting.)

Step 5: The Potato Corer/ Cork Holder/ Leather Strap

Put together a corer to make your potato plug. It is just a few inches of the same 1/2 inch copper pipe. If you cut the pipe with a spinning pipe cutter like I did you will have to take a file and clean out the inside rim that is rolled over in toward the center of the pipe which reduces the size of the opening and will end up making potato plugs that are not ideal for the barrel. I also store my cork here in the tube.

Grab a piece of leather scrap and wrap it around the corer pipe. Make sure you have enough for it to overlap about an inch on the other side.

Hammer some furniture brads through two layers of leather and into the wood. I used three, but two would probably work. This is an optional step and is mainly decorative.

Step 6: Firing

In order to fire this device follow the following steps.

1. )  Put 10 drops of water (or 9 drops water and one drop 100% acetone to slightly reduce the boiling point) into the barrel and twist the barrel around until the water has been moved into the boiling chamber.
            ***remember after this you have to hold it upright until it's fired or the water may move out of the chamber.

2.) Core a potato and make a plug about 1/2 to 1 inch long, and put it into the barrel about one to two inches at most.

3.) Put in the #5 size cork. Make it snug, but not jammed tight. After this point the device should not be pointed at any living thing.

4.) Aim and strike the flint striker until it is lit.

5.) Here is the biggest difference from the original potato pistol. If you are in a zero wind atmosphere you will be fine, but if you are not you have to kind of manage the flame by moving the stock around to keep the flame on the chamber. This can be tricky and messes up your aim. Frankly, I feel it is the biggest issue with the design as it stands. I have considered putting on a large wind break made of metal fabric mesh, but that would be a different project.

The firing in this video used the 9-1 water to acetone ratio. The chamber was hot from a previous firing. This firing took almost exactly a minute with a few seconds not taped. I also noted I had a really good seal between the potato and the barrel.



Issues in firing:

If it does not fire there are several things which could have gone wrong. The chamber might not be sealed on one of the seams or through the cork. However, I have had successful firings where just a few moments before it fires it starts to bubble a little around the cork out of the barrel. 

It may also not be boiling the water successfully and creating the pressure for firing. This is usually because the wind kept the flame from heating the chamber consistently.

Firing can take up to 5-6 minutes sometimes. Be patient with it.

As I said earlier, a long wood screw is handy getting the potato plug out of the barrel if it doesn't fire or you load it before you put the water in.



Step 7: Improvements That Could Be Made.

If anyone wants to take this design further there are a few challenges still to be overcome:

1.) Improved Wind Resistance. This would be a huge advantage outdoors and would probably improve aim and decrease firing time.

2.) Decreased Firing Time. Definitely would make it more impressive to show off. Standing there for 5 minutes in the wind is           anti-climactic. Especially if they are expecting a showing similar to that of a traditional PVC potato cannon.

3.) Better cork system? Rubber cork? Pressure gauge? Some kind of quick release valve to release the steam? All possibilities.

I welcome your comments and thoughts. Good luck and be safe with this thing if you make it.

Comments

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willnate (author)2014-04-08

get a big windproof lighter

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onrust (author)2011-10-31

A Zippo gives it a certain element of class. Well done and very clean.

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rbradner (author)2011-07-18

It might be faster and work better outside if you used a butane jet lighter instead of a normal lighter. You can probably find one at wal-mart for about $2.00 that's approximately the same size.

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It might be slightly hotter, but you would need to hold down the gas button, and butane lighters are dangerous if lit for more than 1 minute.

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tom.bola (author)2011-07-20

great timing! potato in.. french fries out..
its a ZIPPO gun so he is using a zippo!!!
so why arguing about other lighters?

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wiggins8472 (author)tom.bola2011-07-22

Haha I would agree. Everyone. I know that torch lighters are hotter and readily available. I own two. I wanted to use the Zippo. If anyone can figure out how to get a torch lighter to go continuously without mashing your thumb for 3 minutes on the button please make an instructable to illustrate.

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ToughCookie123 (author)2011-07-17

Don't know if it has been said, but what about a jet lighter? that works outdoors? and is a HUGE amount hotter than a Zippo...???

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junits15 (author)2011-07-10

why JB weld? why not just sweat the pipes with a torch?

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wiggins8472 (author)junits152011-07-10

I felt J.B. weld would hold be easier to get an air-tight seal. Also, I don't have a formal shop and do most of my work in my small apartment without many tools.

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junits15 (author)wiggins84722011-07-13

oh, well it certainly works well :)

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jlancaster2 (author)2011-07-11

Try a triple torch cigar lighter (like the one in the link) it is much hotter and much more wind resistant.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-Triple-Jet-Torch-Turbo-Lighter-/230645609838?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b38cb56e

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Beergnome (author)2011-07-10

Honestly? get rid of the JB for this and sweat it into place.. yo can do this with no sho and living in an apartment. and you wont get any exdperience doing it untill you do it..

just plumbers soldier, plumbers rosin.. the rosin is great for all soldering needs might I add. need to tin some leads? dunk them into the rosin, then bump the soldering iron and solder to the lead.. BAM! tinned lead!

anyways... get a can of MAP gas, and torch head for MAP GAS. You can go propane if you want, the end result is the same.. but MAP I find works better.

fit and assemble all the parts.. once happy, rough all mating surfaces with some fine grit open sanding cloth. paint it all with rosin and press the parts together. heat the joint with the torch and then run the solder around the lip of the hot joint.

I have made far stranger things on a coffee table in a tiny apartment.

if you already know this, then Im sorry if I come as talking down to you.. if not? you should know this stuff!

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wiggins8472 (author)Beergnome2011-07-11

Well, I will admit that my metalworking experience is mostly based in traditional blacksmithing techniques learned while working at a living history museum. As such, I didn't do much plumbing. However, it has worked well with an air tight seal and quick construction with low cost. It has also held up to heat well. Thanks for your comments though.

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aliono (author)2011-07-10

If you wanted to be more time period than a zippo...why not use a kerosene lamp to heat it, albeit it would be marginally difficult to get it to work properly but it could give it a more appealing look. Although I believe the propane or other gas torch would be the more efficient method about going on with this sort of a project. This reminds me of the same design in a way as this old toy boat that was steam powered that my uncle had.

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awsomehighvoltage (author)2011-07-10

use a propane torch to heat it. cheaper than the zippo!

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The tricky thing about torch lighters is that I wanted it to be a self contained unit and not have any obvious "modern" or electronic elements. I am considering making a unit that works on a torch system, but there are challenges in lighting the torch and keeping it lit while not having to use both hands. Plus I was going for a certain "look".

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ekardell (author)2011-07-10

I wish you had been around when I was a kid! This combines all the right elements: weaponry, fire (aka, dad's lighter), potatoes, and plumbing parts!

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wiggins8472 (author)ekardell2011-07-10

Thanks. I showed it to my friend's 5 year old son and he wanted to improve on the design by making it double barreled and having a "koo koo" clock noise to warn you when it was about to fire. :-)

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EshKuno (author)2011-07-10

where there's soot there's carbon monoxide. using a cleaner burning fuel source and only having the tip of the flame(the hottest part of the flame) touching metal would eliminate all that messy soot and no CO.

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wiggins8472 (author)EshKuno2011-07-10

Probably right. I am considering making an "oil lamp" or it's equivalent with a little more juice. Of course, a zippo is effectively an oil lamp.

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lukeyj15 (author)2011-07-10

Zippo blu is hotter.

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mbainrot (author)lukeyj152011-07-10

Most propane torches burn at 1300°C (2372°F)

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Reg from Cadillac, MI (author)2011-07-10

While you obviously love Zippos, the biggest help would be a hotter flame source. Propane lighter, or even better, a small MAPP gas burner would bring water to steam even faster.

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Clearly, but I liked how elegant it was to have a zippo. Also, it is closer to technology available in the era of steam.

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capnbob (author)2011-07-10

A bit slow on the firing cycle but I love that it's powered by a Zippo!

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codongolev (author)2011-07-10

on a kind of unrelated note, I made a fog machine that uses steam power to produce the fog. (much less impressive than it sounds; it's just coils that rise above the water level that get heated and produce steam. same principle as a coffee maker.) the soldering iron I had running it suddenly stopped, and this just gave me the idea to run it off of a candle or a lighter.

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notimeoff (author)2011-07-10

To one and all out there about the last thing you can walk in a store and buy with a good old green back that is REAL steam punk is a Zippo !
For more then 40 years I have never left the place i can call home without the following things on my person:

Zippo....Got my first one from my father, it still works, and yes if you can break it thy will fix it.

Pocket knife... For the last twenty or so years it a leatherman.wave,I can tell you for a fact I owe Tim leatherman and the people who work for him my LIFE this tool saved me a few other guy's in some bad spot's.... My father gave me my first boy scout knife and I still have it.......I was seven.

Watch/ time peace......A good one...the best you can afford.... NO digey stuff. hands and a black face...no glow in the dark.... this has changed a few times over the years...thank you grandpa for my first one. It was A Timex and I wish I still had it :-(

Space pen....yes IT WORKS..and I got the last one that I carry now from a good friend ( this is the third one ). Each has spent time in space (I have low friends. in high places)....the one I have now is black, but I am having it plated in copper.

To me Steam punk is "IT MUST WORK, THEN LOOK GOOD"
ANYTHING you just slap copper parts / foil on is just hipster Bull S$%T.

To each and all that read this have a good night / good day....and more steam to one and all.

To: wiggins8472 Sorry I posted this on your inscrutable, but I fell it need to happen..

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HaveFunWithIt (author)2011-07-10

Your gonna put somebodies eye out with that thing! :-)

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ilpug (author)2011-07-05

this could be improved by adding a let-flame lighter, available from Ronson. they dont waver in high wind and produce more heat. the only issue is they do use a bit more fuel than normal, although they are easily refillable. i might modify this to use a ball-valve for on-demand pressure relief, and a longer barrel. normally i would consider an air-actuated sprinkler valve for an application like this but the steam might melt the PVC and cause it to fail. I might do a mod version of this project....

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wiggins8472 (author)ilpug2011-07-06

Please do! I am also working along the same lines. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!

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rimar2000 (author)2011-07-04

Very interesting, and a nice toy.

A suggestion: maybe you can do that the "boiler chamber" heats dry, in advance while you prepare the cannon. At the moment of shoot, you rotate the gun so the water reaches the very hot chamber. That would make a faster shooting.

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wiggins8472 (author)rimar20002011-07-04

Very cool idea. Thank you, I will try it.