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Stop using Ferric Chloride etchant! (A better etching solution.)

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Ferric chloride is a traditional home-use circuit board etchant. It's easy enough to come by, and the Ferric by itself is no big environmental problem. However, once you've etched a board with it, you're left with a solution with a bunch of copper chloride in it. This dissolved copper is an environmental problem, and you can't just pour it down the drain (legally) -- you're supposed to take it to a hazardous waste facility. (For instance: How to Dispose of Ferric Chloride in this FAQ. )

Wouldn't it be nice if there were an etchant that you could re-use indefinitely so that you don't have to worry about disposing of the copper, and that could be made in lifetime supply for like $10.00 with ingredients bought at hardware and drugstores? (And it's prettier too.)

I got seven words for you: Copper Chloride in Aqueous Hydrochloric Acid Solution! (Exclamation point!)

But how're you going to get CCiAHAS? Conveniently enough, by starting out with a simple two-ingredient starter etchant, and doing a bunch of etching.

 
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Step 1: Ingredients: The Starter Etchant

For the starter etchant itself, you only need two ingredients: hydrochloric acid and hydrogen peroxide.

(OK, actually three. But the third one's copper. See the chemistry section for an explanation.)

Hydrochloric (muriatic acid, "pool acid", etc.) is available at a hardware store. The acid I got is 31.45% (or 10M) and should run around $5 per gallon. Which is more than you'll ever, ever need.

The peroxide is normal 3% for mouthwash or cleaning cuts, and can be bought at a drug store for $2-3 for a big bottle.

You'll also need a non-metallic container that fits your PCB and two standardized measuring cups.

As long as you're in the hardware store, pick up some acetone if you don't already have some. It's useful for removing the etch resist. (That's for another instructable.)

apappano1 month ago

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mkeen851 month ago

what is the minimum percentage HCL acid needed?

I can get 33% online, but is a bit pricey.

but i can get brick cleaner from local shop which is a lot cheaper but is only 10-15% HCL

The Real Elliot (author)  mkeen851 month ago

My recipe calls for 34ish% acid (10M) and 3% peroxide (97% water) mixed 1:2. This means the resulting acid is diluted by a third (one part in three total parts) and so is around 10%.

You're starting out with around 10% acid, so you can't really afford to add too much peroxide. If I were you, I'd experiment with straight 10% acid, and tossing in a few capfuls of peroxide at a time. Or maybe I'd go as far as a 1:1 mix of weaker acid and peroxide. Or maybe try to find some strong (10-15%) peroxide so that you don't have to water the mix down as much.

Either way, experiment. The worst that'll happen is that it doesn't work very quickly, but even with a weaker acid solution you should get etching. Post back with your results?

thanks i think i can get some 10% peroxide but would 30% hydrogen peroxide be over kill?

also once i have made the copper chloride could i boil it down then add more HCL to make it stronger?

The Real Elliot (author)  mkeen851 month ago

30% peroxide _is_ probably overkill. But then again, too much overkill is never enough!

On the other hand, boiling the acid is probably not a good idea. The stuff (at 3M) is nasty enough without being hot and spiiting.

If you need to increase the acid concentration, one way to go is to simply leave it sitting out in a shallow tray. The water evaporates. Done.

I bought some 31% Muriatic acid at Home Depot which was $4 (or somewhere around there) for a quart. I think they had it for pool supplies.

I'm not a chemist, but I would think that 15% would work, but your etching would take longer. You'd probably want to double down on HCl in the recipe above so you'd be adding the same amount of HCl as you should.

thanks I will try that.

akro1231 month ago

Thanks sooo much, this was my first time etching, and i didnt bring enough money to radioshack to buy the etch lol, this worked great!!

Sylentskye6 months ago
Is there a way to do this using vinegar and hydrogen peroxide (peracetic acid)? Would it be safer than using the muriatic acid? What ratio would you suggest to start with? (I have white distilled vinegar and both retail 3% and hair salon 30% hydrogen peroxide solutions available to me. Thanks!
The Real Elliot (author)  Sylentskye1 month ago

With vinegar (a weak acid) and 30% (strong!) peroxide, you're doing it all backwards. Instead you want essentially a strong acid with sufficient available oxygen.

Try the recommended recipe? It's worked for like a bazillion people.

It will technically work, but it might take days, or even weeks. It would be much safer than muriatic acid, but the only real danger of muriatic acid is that the fumes will hurt your lungs, and will rust any metal objects in the room.

If you are going to use vinegar, hydrogen peroxide is a great idea to add oxygen to speed up the acid reaction. Change the vinegar often; it will quickly become full of copper acetate, leaving little room for the vinegar to do its work. Add heat; put the reaction in a bowl of hot water or over an electric blanket or central air vent; just a few degrees Celsius can mean the difference between days and hours.
bezo882 months ago

nice work. I tried this design and it did not work. I used 1 part vinegar and 1part hydrogen peroxide and salt. I was testing to see if it works and I left a small pcb and a few pieces of copper wire in the solution overnight and it did not dissolve , it just got rusty and nothing happened to the pcb.

The Real Elliot (author)  bezo881 month ago

I've heard the vinegar suggestion a lot. I'm not a fan, and I don't understand the point.

For the chemical reactions involved, you really just want an acid -- a source of hydrogen ions. HCl is about as simple an acid as you can hope for, in terms of availability & purity & strength. It's un-dangerous enough that it's the acid of choice for regulating swimming pool pH. Good enough for me.

With vinegar you don't really know what you've got, chemically. All sorts of flavor compounds and colors? Residual sugars? Yuck. No thanks, give me cheap and pure hydrochloric any day.

freedomdivine2 months ago

HI I use the Ferric for etching metal jewelry. I buy it at Radio Shack its pretty pricey! Could you please tell me if this would work just the same on my metal jewelry? Thank you so much.

The Real Elliot (author)  freedomdivine1 month ago

No idea -- depends on the metal.

But acid + peroxide are cheap. Why not try it out and report back? This is one of those frequently-asked questions: a bunch of people will be interested to know how your experiments go!

ProMaker2 months ago

Not sure why others are having trouble. I just tried this technique for the first time and it worked perfectly. 3% H2O2 from Walmart (32oz bottle $.99) Muriatic Acid/31.4% HCL from Lowes (1gal. $7.29). Mixed it in the garage although fuming was so little probably could have done it in the basement with no issues. Etched in a small glass jar at room temp. and applied agitation throughout. 2"x3" double sided 1oz board etched in about 4 mins. Solution started clear and ended a light emerald green.

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bobh92862 months ago

I started using this method today. I had a board I wanted to etch so I followed these instructions to the T. The board I am making is 2" x 6" only has a circuit on one side but the board I got is plated on both. My first run at this was an ugly failure. With a brand new batch of the etchant it took over an hour to remove all the copper on the side with the circuit and this resulted in a very pitted circuit that is unusable. No big deal as always expect a first time failure :)

On my second run it still took a good 30 to 45 minutes to etch the circuit side of the board and there was still at least a third of the copper on the other side. At this point I pulled the board and just sanded the remainder of the plating off. The board looks nice and is ready to go.

My concern is the length of time this appears to be taking. In earlier posts and reply's I see comments that if it takes longer than 15 minutes or so to etch a board something else is wrong. What could this be?

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fschonholz3 months ago
So ... I have been experimenting with your technique and it is cool. As a first time etcher ... this made it easy. I have been having an issue with the "mask" (not sure what it is called technically) to etch. I used shappies and nail polish. The shappies have been useless. The nail polish has been a hit and miss, as some of the nail polish stays, some gets eaten away and some half way.

I build guitars and wan tot do one with an aluminum front that is decorated. I want the decorations to be etched out.

The question is, what should I used to "draw" the decoration that I do not want the acid to act on? and what should I use to protect the back of the plate I want to etch so only the front is etched?

Thank you!

Thank you for the assistance. I actually found the way to do it using nail polish ... just needed to find the right nail polish.

If I want to etched in the design, I paint the full surface with nail polish and then scrub out the design. If I want to etch out, then I draw the design with a market and then pain it with nail polish.

You can find the results here: http://fabianschonholz.com/

It is a bit rough for a first try; but just an excuse to do more :)

I have always used the toner transfer method, print what you want on photo paper. Lay the paper with the print upside down (toner facing the copper), use an old iron to melt the toner on it by putting it on the paper for a minute. Lay the board with the paper on it in a bowl of water (the paper should stick to the board, before you lay it in the water). Rub of the paper, and you have a very nice etch resist. Only works on laser printers.

nov8 fschonholz3 months ago

I found the best and most precise way is to take a vector file of the design you want to a print shop and have them make a decal. It’s pretty durable. It costs more than a Sharpie but saves on frustration. For the back of the piece I usually use electrical tape. But just recently I started using wax. Just melt it down and pour it on the back of your piece. It's cheaper in the long run and is re-useable. When you are finished I found the best way to remove the wax is to put the piece in hot water to soften, then peel it off.

pilgrimsc5 months ago
hello can you tell me if this would be good for etching carbon steel?
Thanks,
Stephen
DEEPAKP13117 months ago
I WENT TO BUY HYDROCHLORIC ACID FOR ETCHING BUT SHOPKEEPER IS ASKING ME " BRING WHICH FORMULA OF CHEMICAL"

PLEASE GUIDE ME WHAT CHEMICAL FORMULA I NEED TO ETCH ON STONE ....SUCH AS GRANITE, MARBLE, LIME STONE, ITALIAN MARBLE, SLATE OR SAND STONE ETC.,.
The shopkeeper is being a jerk. Ask him for "muriatic acid" or "brick cleaner" or "hydrochloric acid for cleaning bricks". The concentration strength for cleaning bricks is the one I used for etching PCBs.

However, ANY concentration will work! Some will just take longer than others!
thefeeb moeburn6 months ago
I wonder if this is the reason mine is taking so godawful long, then. I tried this last night and after an hour of soaking, I barely had an image. I bought a gallon of muriatic acid from Ace Hardware. Even with the basement window and doors open, it got thick with that acid fog. Could it be the brand? Seems the pros are outweighed by the cons in my case... frustrating.
moeburn thefeeb6 months ago
You also have to watch the temperature. This is a chemical reaction, and chemical reactions are highly affected by heat; in this case, if it is below 20°c, it will take days. If it is 20-25°c, it will take a few hours, and if it is 30-40°, it can take just a couple hours. So if its a little chilly where you live, and your windows are blowing cold air over your acid, then you need to place the acid bowl/container in a bowl of hot tap water to speed it up.
thefeeb moeburn5 months ago
Thanks for the quick response! I was using the Hydrogen Peroxide, but I wasn't heating it... which I was unsure about. I have kept Ferric Chloride heated, as all tutorials outline, but I hadn't seen anything about temperature in this tutorial (sorry if I missed it!), so you've given me more to troubleshoot, thanks!
Also- I'm pretty sure I've read that getting the transfer, which I'm also struggling with, is easier if you turn up the resolution/blacken the image to get more toner, correct? I bought a laminator specifically for transfers, but it's been pretty spotty. I just read one tutorial that underscores the importance of pre-heating the copper, as ironing it directly will cause condensation, contributing to spottiness/areas of poor transfer. I'm surprised at how much of an art this seemingly simple process is turning into! :)Big thanks again!!
moeburn thefeeb6 months ago
Oh, and add hydrogen peroxide! Hydrogen peroxide provides the much needed oxygen to speed up the acid reaction, and can mean the difference between days and minutes.
ew00546 months ago
It helps to have a pan of hot water underneath and partially-submerge your etching tank into the hot water to transfer the heat. Use two tupper containers of the same size so they nest easily, preventing spillover.
ziggalo4 years ago
 Why do you need to have water running?
ew0054 ziggalo6 months ago
Just pour it in the toilet and flush. It will be diluted well below safe limits. If you feel better, pour it into a bucket of water to dilute it further, than flush.

Actually, it is reusable. Save it in a covered tank and just add acid as needed (when the solution turns from green to brown).
prevent it from etching the sink. it'll wash away small drops before they can eat at the metal.
Pour acid over my metal kitchen sink? Not a chance!

I wonder, what percentage of people actually do this in their kitchen? If I was going to do it in the house at all I'd do it at the bathroom sink. Even then I'd run the water to protect the metal around the drain hole but at least the body of the sink is porcelain.
moeburn7 months ago
WARNING! Hydrochloric acid releases fumes! These fumes aren't just dangerous to your health, they're dangerous to your metal tools! Keep a lid on any bath containing hydrochloric acid at all times, or make sure you keep the bath in a sealed room with nothing valuable inside!

I used the hydrochloric acid etching method, in a tupperware container without a lid, in my shed. After 3 etching sessions, I noticed that every single metal tool in my shed was completely covered in rust. Most were totally ruined. The hydrochloric acid fumes had oxidized them. That was 10 years ago. I am still cleaning the rust off some of those tools to this day.

Protect your tools from the hydrochloric acid fumes!
pfolwarski10 months ago
I am having an issue with CuCl couperous chloride precipitating out when I try to dry my sample. I am using copper chloride for gain size testing under a microscope. The etchant works and I rise with water, then put it under a blowdryer to dry the sample. When I put it under the blow dryer (even on cool setting) a white precipatate forms (im assuming it is couperous chloride CuCl). I have tried using NaCl rise after etching and it sort of helps.

Have you ever had this white residue ( I dont know if it could be contamination)? Is my solution possibly too strong / weak?
Sounds like you have hard water: calcium carbonate in your water. Try rinsing the board in distilled water instead.
The Real Elliot (author)  pfolwarski10 months ago
No idea, but copper salts are usually blue or green or blue-green. If it's truly white, it may be something else?

So what's going on? You rinse off the board after etching and there's still some residue? The etchant is soluble enough in water that there really shouldn't be anything left.


drdread7 months ago
I tried this out with my two sons (ages 11 & 13) this morning, and it worked beautifully. No more ferric chloride for us! The only challenge I had was finding a small quantity of muriatic acid. The smallest quantity I could find was 2 gallons at the local pool supply store. Still, at $11 for 2 gallons, it wasn't much to pay. Next up is to hit the aquarium store for the $6 air pump so I don't have to keep adding h2o2.

Thanks much to Real Elliott for bringing this method to my attention. I love the idea of being able to re-use the etchant, and the kids were tickled by watching the solution turn green.

Some responses to questions posted before me:
1) gphein: I did the etching outside on my driveway, and brought a mason jar of water with me. Just pulling the board from the etching tank and dropping it in the jar stopped the etching instantly. Then rinsing in the kitchen sink is OK because there's so little acid left on the boar.
2) awrrwa: Any plastic container with a 2 or a 5 in the triangle will work great.
3) pfolwarski: this sounds like "hard water" i.e. heavy calcium carbonate (limestone) content in your water. Try dunking the board in distilled water from the grocery store instead of your tap water.
gphein7 months ago
This is great post. One thing isn't clear, though. What is the best way to rinse the board (i.e. neutralize the solution on it) after its acid bath? Rinsing in the kitchen sink (as suggested in the one of the photos in step 5 or 6) seems like a bad idea as does rinsing, well, anywhere.
awrrwa8 months ago
Can I store the solution in HDPE/LDPE/PP plastic bottle?
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