Self Defense Against The Two-Handed Front Choke!

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This is a situation where an attacker grabs your throat with both hands and squeezes hard. Darcey and Heather help me demonstrate a counter to the two-handed front choke.
<p>I have to say I stumbled onto this. The arm bar, and esp on <br>guys, does it really work. I had never known that something like that <br>existed or was possible! I am not into bjj or martial arts but, and I <br>know this is not really the best approach, but I was shown and learnt <br>the arm bar move by a girl friend before after my concerns of being <br>assaulted or raped and being in on my back situation. Would really freak <br> me out to such an extent that I said I wanted to learn, and some moves, <br> anything that may be of help. She taught me the arm bar. I can do the <br>arm bar but it relies on a lot of compliance from her / my training <br>partner. But would it really work on say a much bigger, although maybe <br>not significantly, guy? She kindly showed me in steps and allowed for me <br> to gradually learn and get to that end point with the arm in placed <br>correctly (thumb facing up) and slowly (or fast as you apply if in that <br>situation) arching my pelvis and hips. If locked in, I sometimes feel <br>that a stronger guy could still bust out of it? My friend says no way, <br>if technique is good. Any words and advice appreciated, I just want to <br>follow up more and be encouraged. Thanks a lot and keep up the good <br>work! Cheers, K</p>
I'm 62, male, 200 lbs, bad knees, bum arm, bad shoulder, but I think I could do this if I had to, and I would definitely break their arm to end the show.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is total nonsense. You claim it is for self defence, and instead of having them break their attackers arm, you want them to submit? Are you trying to get people hurt, or are you just inexperienced? That and a hip toss against a heavier opponent is almost impossible for an inexperienced person.<br /> <br /> Clap your hands together in front of you, and ram them up into an &quot;A&quot; frame directly above your head, Voila! No more choke hold! Add in a swift kick to the balls and then either shoot the attacker, or run away depending on your carry permit.<br /> <br /> In the future please think a bit more realistically when posting for &quot;Self Defense&quot;, I understand you meant well, but wrong teaching is frequently worse than no teaching at all. <br /> <br /> One last thing, Stun Guns, and Pepper gas are legal most everywhere. They are also really cheap, and really effective. Get one, the other, or both, and learn to use them. Do NOT ever try to learn martial art of any kind from a video. You will just get hurt.<br />
I too have been training in Brazilian/Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and have daughters who train. The clap and &quot;A&quot; frame technique does NOT work. In reality, the &quot;A&quot; frame technique will allow the attacker to lock the hands and arm and then use knees. There are many offensive moves available to the attacker once the &quot;A&quot; frame is attempted.
<span style="font-family: Arial;font-size: 12.0pt;"><strong>xarlock667</strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial;font-size: 9.0pt;">:&nbsp; Do you really think that all I'm trying to get an attacker to do is submit?&nbsp; The only reason I had Darcey and Heather tap (submit) is because I didn't want them cranking the armbar and breaking&nbsp;each other's&nbsp;arm.&nbsp; I&nbsp;don't want somebody out there practicing on a friend and breaking their arm.&nbsp; In a real life situation, if my life is in danger I'm breaking that arm!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /> <br /> No, my intention is not to get people hurt, and no I'm not inexperienced.&nbsp;&nbsp;This specific move is from taken out of the <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">Gracie Combative curriculum</span></strong>.&nbsp; I'm currently a<strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"> Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Brown Belt</span></strong>, and I'm a <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">2 -Time Golden Gloves Champion</span></strong>, Regional Boxing Champion, and a State Silver Medalist in Boxing.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br /> <br /> I&nbsp;am well aware that some moves are possible for some, and impossible for others.&nbsp; Escapes are like finding your size in jeans.&nbsp; There are many sizes, but only 1 to 3 sizes might fit you okay.&nbsp;There are <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">MANY</span></strong> different ways to escape from this&nbsp;2 Handed Choke&nbsp;depending on your gender, strength, height, athletic ability, or your opponent&rsquo;s weight and strength.&nbsp; I&nbsp;intended to show <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">different escapes </span></strong>from the Two-Handed Choke, but I never got around to posting anymore videos due to my video camera crapping out of me. &nbsp;I&nbsp;posted that video back in 2008!&nbsp;&nbsp; <br /> <br /> If some guy is squeezing the hell out of some girl's throat, do you really think she's gonna have time to open her purse, reach into her purse, find her pepper spray, point it in the right direction, and spray her attackers face?&nbsp; That would work if she had it already in her hand ready to go, but not everybody carries that stuff.&nbsp; Plus, have you seen what most women have in their purse?&nbsp; Makeup, credit cards, receipts, keys, money, or whatever.&nbsp; It's a big mess!&nbsp; They have&nbsp;trouble finding their&nbsp;keys in their purses!&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /> <br /> Some moves are more complicated than others, but you need to drill a move over and over until it becomes 2nd nature.&nbsp; I don't care how easy or efficient the move is.&nbsp; Repetitions&nbsp;on&nbsp;any move...and yes...even&nbsp;the easy moves need to practiced.&nbsp;<br /> <br /> If you have a more effective way of escaping that specific hold them please, post a video.&nbsp; Thanks for watching.</span><br /> <br /> <br /> &nbsp;
I know all about drilling moves. I have been practicing martial art for the last 15 years. What I am saying is that if you teach bad technique. People will learn bad technique. That and you should always follow the kiss principal. Keep it simple stupid. Don't teach a novice an advanced move. Most of it will wash right over, and the rest will be forgotten, or ignored, or misinterpreted. There is no more simple counter for the two handed choke than the simple &quot;A&quot; frame. Try it. <br />
<div>Our of curiosity, what specific martial art(s) have you been practicing for the past 15 years?&nbsp;Have you ever competed in any full contact competition and put yourself and your art that you believe in that will work in a real life situations?&nbsp;I&rsquo;m not talking about point fighting like you see in the movie &ldquo;The Karate Kid&rdquo;.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>I have over 30 fights that includes Boxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and MMA (in the cage) with 14 years of experience.&nbsp;I currently train under Allen Mohler who is the highest ranking BJJ Black Belt in Texas.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>What makes you say that I&rsquo;m teaching &ldquo;bad technique&rdquo;?&nbsp;Do you specifically know how to do this specific technique that I&rsquo;ve demonstrated, and you&rsquo;re saying that I&rsquo;m teaching it incorrectly?&nbsp;Let&rsquo;s just say that you don&rsquo;t know this specific technique. How can you say that it&rsquo;s &ldquo;bad technique&rdquo;?</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Before you criticize my technique you should watch all 3 of my <strong>Headlock Escape videos </strong>where I personally demonstrate the technique myself.&nbsp;I had the two girls (who were beginners and never tried that specific move) that learned that move that day we shot the video.&nbsp;I showed them the two-handed choke escape before we shot the video, and let them demonstrate it on each other and on me.&nbsp;We went over the escape for about 5 to 10 minutes and we shot the video (because we were pressed for time).&nbsp;Can you image what they would have looked like if I had a whole hour to work with them, or even a&nbsp;week?&nbsp;&nbsp;If it were me executing the technique&nbsp;then it would have been alot smoother.&nbsp; Instead I let them demonstrate&nbsp;the escape while I&nbsp;gave them instructions.&nbsp; &nbsp;</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>I posted two links for you to watch.. The 1<sup>st</sup> video is <strong>Rickson Gracie </strong>and <strong>Royler Gracie </strong>demonstrating the EXACT same move that the two girls were demonstrating on me.&nbsp;You&rsquo;ll see Royler Gracie demonstrate the Two-Handed Choke Defense on Rickson Gracie in 0:08 secs of the video.&nbsp;It&rsquo;s the 2<sup>nd</sup> Self-Defense move.&nbsp;Unless you&rsquo;ve been under a rock since 1993, then you should know the legendary Gracie Family.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>The 2<sup>nd</sup> Video link.&nbsp;you&rsquo;ll see the exact same move 0:25 secs into the video.&nbsp;You&rsquo;ll also notice that in the beginning of the video is says &ldquo;<strong>Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Basics</strong>&rdquo;.&nbsp;This is a Novice move.&nbsp;Now a Triangle Choke from the guard is an advanced move!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div> <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div> <div><strong>Rickson and Royler Gracie BJJ Demonstration: </strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO-_Q85zwUo" rel="nofollow"><font color="#800080">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO-_Q85zwUo</font></a></div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div><strong>Jiu Jitsu Self Defense:</strong> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQ7AVtcwec" rel="nofollow"><font color="#800080">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQ7AVtcwec</font></a></div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>I&rsquo;m always open to learn new moves and techniques.&nbsp;So, please make a video and show me how to execute the &ldquo;A Frame&rdquo; choke defense technique.&nbsp;</div>
I practice Muay Thai, CQC/B, Isshin Ryu, Kenjutsu, IAI, and a few others. I have trained in but do not actively practice Judo, Juijutsu, BJJ, Kenpo, San Shao(SP?), Krav Maga, Boxing, kung fu, and a few others. No, I have never fought in a ring with rules, a referee, and a convenient MD on hand to patch me up if I get hurt. It would be a welcome releaf. I began learning martial art in tdc. I had more fights than I care to think back on, and I won most of them. I started with Muay Thai, Boxing, and CQC/B. I do have a belt. It is black and turquoise with a big silver belt buckle that says Texas on it. I do not have a &quot;Black Belt&quot; as I do not believe in the belt system. I believe that there are far to many belt mills in the world and that a belt is no measure of ability, or advancement. This is no attack on you, or BJJ, but I saw a rainbow belt once. It was black with stripes of red, yellow, green, blue, etc... The idiot wearing it could not even execute a round house kick properly. Also, I do not fight, or enjoy fighting. I consider fighting, unless you are doing it for money, to be for fools. I practice martial art to quickly kill or disable my opponent's as rapidly as possible. I do not like to be hit. If I get hit, it means I screwed up somewhere. My trainer, (he is a second degree black belt) disagrees with me and enjoys fighting to smash people's skulls and practice his new techniques. When we allow a fight to be provoked, my opponent hits the ground unable to get back up, and his gets used as a guinea pig. I did review your videos you posted, so I do not think the issue is one of individual skill. I do believe that it is an issue of what you tried to teach to the audience you tried to teach it to, and the intended situation you are teaching it for. Since you did ask I will begin my critique. First, my mindset as I critique this is that of deciding if I would teach this to my daughter to defend herself from an attacker. Any random attacker. Because she is female, and most aggressors are male, I will also assume that the attacker is of basic male adult dimensions. About 5'10&quot;, and about 160-180 lbs. I know you used two evenly matched girls, but you posted this as a valid defense, so I will assume you meant it to work regardless of the opponent, and not just what to do if a model attacks you. (I would just bull my neck and stand there and enjoy it, but I am sure that is not what you meant to covey.) The video opens with the two girls in a simulated choke hold. I will now divide the girls into attacker and defender. If I say Right Arm, I mean the Right Arm of which ever girl I am referring to. Attacker has both hands on defender's neck, and attacker has both arms at full extension. Defender begins by placing her left hand on attacker's right elbow. Then defender raises her right arm, brings it inside attacker's arms, and places it behind attacker's head, pulling attacker into a headlock. STOP. Now this is just sloppy teaching on your part. How does the attacker's left elbow bend? I know, but you did not tell your students. It is automatic if the shoulder width is the same, but if the attacker has broader shoulders, you have to press against the attacker's elbow area to make the arm bend. Otherwise, you are just idly holding the head while they choke the life out of you. Now the attacker is in a headlock. I like headlocks, they are so useful in putting an opponent to sleep. No problem there, BUT then the defender preforms a hip toss. Ever preform a hip toss against an opponent that out weighs you, or has had any real fighting experience? They do not work so well. My son is 130 lbs and flat cannot throw me. You can also be easily grabbed and taken to the ground with a hip toss and there you will be grappling a likely larger and heavier opponent. Not a good place to be. This entire move is too complicated for a beginner, and should simply be struck and replaced. The next part is simply a problem with your training technique. You should be clear as a bell that they are to break the arm and disable the attacker. Wrench that elbow for all they are worth, and move it around to destroy the joint. THEN clarify that in training they should not break their training partner's arm. You do not submit an opponent in a street fight. You make them incapable of fighting. Clarify. Finally you do not need a video for an &quot;A&quot; frame. It is absurdly simple. put your hands together in front of your chest, and then thrust them up over your head. Your shoulders are wider than your neck, and you have superior leverage that close in. The attackers hands will be forced off. Since their attention is following the movement and is now focused upward, Bring it back down by kicking the attacker's balls. Women do not have them, but are just as sensitive down there. My personal defense is different, but I am a trained martial artist, and not a novice. I would not teach me defense to an amateur as they do not have the base to do it right, and would likely get hurt if they could not follow through. Since an amateur cannot do what I can, I teach them techniques that work 100% of the time, but are not as flashy. I also do not teach techniques that will get you in a worse position if you fail. And finally in closing, I have seen trained martial artists forget everything they have learned and flail like school boys on a playground when they get jumped. Going into a ring gives you plenty of time to calm your mind before hand and remember what you have been taught. Asking an amateur to remember several moves in sequence, remember them under stress, and execute moves that could easily fail is dangerous at best. When teaching a novice you should always ask &quot;Is this technique KISS?&quot; I would not teach this technique to my daughter.
Sorry, I double posted, and it dropped the formatting. There WERE paragraphs.
BTW - Here are a couple of videos of me personally demonstrating or working on some drills:<br /> <br /> <strong>Muay Thai and BJJ Demo:</strong> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQlKZzUfXkU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQlKZzUfXkU</a><br /> <br /> A video of me working some boxing mitt drills.&nbsp; Current <strong>WEC</strong>&nbsp;fighter, <strong>Will Campuzano,</strong> is holding the mitts for me:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPn7hEiJTVs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPn7hEiJTVs</a>
Nice vid. I always get a sore arm after someone gets me in an arm bar seems to be sore for weeks somtimes&nbsp;and i tap out when my arm is locked. But arm bars are a good submition.
&nbsp;Nice although unnecessarily complicated and difficult for small women vs. big men (after 8 years training, I still have trouble with hip throws against a much larger opponent). &nbsp;A much easier technique from the same initial 2-hand-choke that is effect no matter the size of attacker or defender is:<br /> <br /> 1. &nbsp;Duck head forward and drop weight<br /> 2. &nbsp;Twist under arm of attacker to either side<br /> 3. &nbsp;RUN<br /> <br /> Given, that is just an escape but if that's all one really wants to do (as in getting attacked walking down the road without having to drop everything in your hands), it's much better than attempting a hip throw. &nbsp;I'm 5'3&quot; and I can successfully escape from a fully resisting 6'+ guy much much stronger than myself doing this. &nbsp;It has a pretty big surprise factor too. &nbsp;<br /> <br />
Krav Maga teaches all this stuff in an efficient way. There is no complicated moves but its for street not gaming like boxing. This seems to be very complicated under adrenalin, and it would be hard to remember all of this. Here you should pluck both hand at the wrist and kick to the groin. It would disable the attacker for enough time to escape.
Agreed. Under stress and adrenaline, only the most experienced of fighters will maintain the fine motor skills and presence of mind necessary to pull this off. For the average joe...forget it. Plus, going to ground is never a good idea as a first resort. I don't know Krav Maga, but in our style the first reaction would be similar -- jab to the eyes / throat, followed by a groin / knee kick. Or reverse. The idea -- prolly similar in your style -- is to keep it brutally simple and use gross motor skills. Most people jabbed in the eyes / face will instinctively move to protect their face and/ or jerk back. Opens up their lower parts to subsequent attacks. Vice versa as well. Groin kicks tend to cause people to bend forward opening up their faces / heads to attack. There are also ways to "open up" the arms with gross arms swings, etc.
if you pause it at 2:31` it looks awesome.
I like your teaching style, repetition is the key. You have to do it again and again. Good Stuff.
great vids brotha
Awesome video! I like the way you explain everything in detail. Good job!