Introduction: Sub-Fail Alt Fuel Experiment. Run Engine on Water!

Hello fellow builders and tinkerers! I got a small 26cc 4 stroke weed eater engine a while ago and decided to tinker. The carb was completely shot and the cost of replacing it would not be worth it (but yay free junk!). Since i have seen many videos of people running small engines on propane and alternative fuels it thought i should give that a try.

Step 1: Propane Conversion.

Since the carb was broken i removed and sealed off all unnecessary parts. Then i blocked off any tiny holes that may leak air into the carburetor with silicone sealant. The choke on this engine is built into the air filter housing so i put it back on to regulate the amount of fresh air going into the engine.

Using a basketball pump from the dollar store i used the needle and hose to deliver gas to the carb. Drilling a small hole into the body of the carb i glued the needle into the housing. The needle had a few millimeters cut off the end to make it fit into the center of the carb.

This is where i left off on converting it to propane. I am currently waiting on parts. A propane camp stove will provide me the bottle hookup, safety valves, and the flame control for the burners can make a "throttle" valve for the engine. This will be covered in a future instructable.

Step 2: How About HHO? Run the Engine on WATER!

Run the engine on water? SURE!

I learned that you can split water H2O into HHO using an electrolyte and some electricity, Fun! A fuel with its own air source. What can go wrong. After some Googling and YouTubing I decided to build a small HHO generator with large stainless washers and a Mason jar. Surprisingly simple to do!

Step 3: The Success and Fail. Also a Huge BANG!

After some experimenting with the mini HHO generator i realized i will not create enough gas to continuously run the engine. This can be upgraded at a later time. Using a balloon hooked to the HHO generator i created some fuel storage. Using the balloon i went outside and gave the engine a try. Hopefully the basketball needle and the pressure in the balloon is enough to provide gas to run the engine. AND IT DID!

Examination of the fail.
I talk about something i called a "saftey preventer" which sounds like something that would make your project more dangerous LOL. What i was trying to say is i need flashback protection. Hydrogen by itself is crazy flammable but with oxygen mixed in with it is dangerous. The pressure was not high enough in the balloon on the 2nd start and the ignition timing was set too early (set for gasoline) so when the engine spun the spark plug fired while the intake valve was still a tiny bit open. This cause the carburetor to backfire sending a flame up the fuel line to the balloon and BOOM!

Step 4: Lessons Learned and More Improvement.

Did you know that a 4in balloon of HHO has ignites with the sound of a cannon? I almost pooped myself.

I will continue abusing this engine and doing crazy projects with it. Before i look into making this run on HHO i need to address a few of these issues.

-- Flashback prevention. The easiest way to fix this problem is to remove all open space possible in the fueling system with water. This will only keep a very small amount of gas outside of the motor in a vented container. If the system backfires it will be very small.

-- Cooling system.The water mixture in the cells gets warm while the reaction process is running. Using an external tank and/or radiator can increase water storage and keep the system full eliminating hydrogen bubbles in the fueling system.

-- Charging system. HHO generation takes a lot of power to make. Using a small generator on the engine would help keep the battery charged longer but i think the battery will still need charging between short uses. A mixture of a generator and a solar panel may help produce a longer run time.

-- Dual fuel setup.A quick change fitting and some way to adjust ignition timing a few degrees with the flip of a switch would be perfect for a dual fuel setup.

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Comments

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tytower made it! (author)2017-03-16

Perhaps try with a methane gas digester first and pump that into a car inner tube or tractor inner tube . They did this in the war when petrol was scarce . Start on petrol and switch to gas from the tube when going.

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ThriftStore Hacker made it! (author)ThriftStore Hacker2017-03-16

Good idea. Should have less of a bang than HHO. I may look into it. For now i think i will do a simple propane conversion. The engine is pretty flexible on what i can put in it and would be even more flexible if i could find some way to easily adjust the ignition timing.

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Simplicate made it! (author)2017-03-14

I admire your inquisitive and inventive nature, but those
who forget history are doomed to repeat it. The lessons of the explorers who went before you are worth learning.

The
history of the electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen is well
documented scientific knowledge and available to anyone willing to
learn. What you have done is generate hydrogen gas (H2, molecules of
two hydrogen atoms bonded to each other) and oxygen gas (O2,
molecules of two oxygen atoms bonded to each other). Please excuse
the unsubscripted 2s, but I haven't learned how to do subscripting in
this format yet.

What
endless websites and blogs refer to as "HHO" gas is nothing
more than hydrogen gas (H2) and oxygen gas (O2) collected into a
single container. There is no such thing as "HHO" gas.

In your
electrolytic cell it is a simple matter (and much safer) to collect
the hydrogen gas, which is released only at the cathode (negatively
charged electrode), into one container and to collect the oxygen gas,
which is released only at the anode (positively charged electrode),
into a separate container (as in a Hofmann voltameter). Storing your
fuel and your oxidizer well mixed in a single container is, generally
speaking, a really really bad idea.

Keep exploring, but please
read, not just amateur blogs, but reliable authoritative sources.
Please learn. What you don't know can kill you. I'm trying to avert a
tragedy. Yours.

Simplicate

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ThriftStore Hacker made it! (author)ThriftStore Hacker2017-03-14

Thank you for your concern. This is the main reason i used the balloon for the fuel source. if it detonated i would be fine. I think i am going to push on and make this engine run on propane like i meant to do. The HHO engine was a fun experiment and i did get it to work for a short time making it successful experiment and only a sub-fail.

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discostu956 made it! (author)discostu9562017-03-14

I was going to suggest storing them separately myself. With both gases in one container, all you need is one good jolt to kick that reaction off turning it all back into water

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